Hi, old pfSense contributor here. I originally rolled into this project when using a M0n0wall router internally. After some further investigating we started using pfSense in the pre 1.0 days. Later on I wrote the RRD graphs, IPv6 support in the UI as well as implementing the Gateways, Gateway Groups and some other things. Eating one's own dog food is *very* useful. Things like the duplicate button that only existed on the firewall page was replicated to VPNs and other items. Because it just make life so much easier. The gateway groups came to pass from load balancing, wanting to assign weights, that sort of thing. The drawback of a lot of this is that you need to define everything before you can asssign it. Sorry for that. But if you manage a lot of routes that makes it very readable and easy to grasp. Alos glad that apinger was replaced with dpinger :) Then you need things like PXE network booting and pfSense just has the ISC dhcpd logic to pass the right BIOS, EFI32 or EFI64 image. Things that otherwise are really hard to get rid, or only give you a single Boot file option, booo. We ended up building a internal vlan router with this eventually, with a Dell PowerEdge server with Intel X520 10Ge dual port card. That worked really well for 7 years or so and 1 upgrade cycle. The base box was less then 1500 euro a piece. HA was a cinch. Other plus is a readable configuration, and through the exec.php page I had a PHP interface to this config. So on regular occasions I wrote some conversion code to modify ~350 IPSec vpn tunnel endpoints or encryption settings using this page. I never found another that has sonething similiar, and I had a tip that only Juniper currently has something comparable. For comparison, I now use a Watchguard XTM M4600 (~14k euro a piece), the aliases are not sorted alphanumerically in the Windows Policy manager, and listed in a really small select screen. The OpenVPN server can only be used for mobile clients, and only has one server. To make matters worse, the webserver it runs is on 443, so if it reloads rules you ocassionally connect to watchguard openvpn config server instead. Not so much fun. No support for OpenVPN client tunnels or extra servers with different settings or certs. Still, it does do a lot of inspection and offers inspection capabilities, but with some network bending drawbacks. Min boggingly, if you need to look up the ARP table, that is only available in the WebUI, and not in the Windows manager. I guess each brand has their own issues and finnicky things. I left the project after it went from BSD Perimeter to Netgate, it required signing a legal waiver for code contributed to github, and I just never did. Good memories though.

I don't comment on videos often. I just wanted to drop a line and say how much I appreciate your channel and videos. Super helpful and so helpful. Keep up the good work, I am a fan

Whoa dude kick azz video! You nailed all the relevant points well in less than 20 min. You just sold me on PFS. Peace. ✌️😎👍

I am so glad to see that Untangle gets your seal of approval. After struggling with PFSense, despite watching countless hours of video tutorials, and having to set up a second network for my wife to use, I switched over to Untangle in October. I went with the home subscription, and I don't think I will look anywhere else. Definitely worth the $50 price tag for ease of use, and the features that you get. Plus I don't have to upgrade my box for awhile!

The guys at Lawrence Systems are absolutely awesome. My IT skills are limited, but I had watched enough KZfaq videos to know that these guys knew their stuff. I live in Texas and I hired them to help me build and deploy a ubiquiti network. They provided great advice, acquired and program all of the equipment, and then shipped it to me for install. I was going to use the usg, but they recommended the netgate 3100. The network has been up an running for a little over a year and has worked flawlessly.

Many years late to the party, but want to thumbs up to PFsense! Use a microtik box with two 2 Smoothwall S8's running PFsense below. Separates my work and personal LAN. PFsense is so configurable its great. :) Suggest everyone give it a go.

Great video with lots of detail. I can only imagine the newbs having a hard time grasping the 'white box' comment when you picked up the black hardware case and having the 'black box' right behind it which was white in colour. Always makes me smile inside.

Just subscribed and liked, really enjoying your videos. keep up the great content!

Great presentation. Accurate overview of these products. Thank you for sharing.

Great information, and really appreciate that you also talk to those of us that build & manage networks for our SMB customers. Having your knowledge on-hand is how we look good for them! Cheers!

Bro you are a breath of fresh air.. keep it up dude you're a legend =)

I wished i found this channel years ago. Thanks for this!

Thanks for the high level overview and comparison of the different platforms! It really comes down to use cases, and sometimes personal preference, for the most part with many of these. I've been running pfSense for a while, but as you said you really need to tinker a bit with things under the hood sometime to get it working right. Had considered Untangle in the past due to the reporting functionality and front end configuration for most functionality... your video talked me into trying it out again. Thanks again for the video!

Thank you for the content, really enjoy y'all's teaching style.

Routers and firewalls are my favorite video topic. Love hardware.

I've been a PFsense user for a long, long time. Recently, I've found Untangle. This video really clears some things up for me. Thanks!

as always informative.. Thanks for the comparison, adds to decisive prams

Thanks. This has been really helpful. I have a Sonicwall but refuse to pay Dell’s annual fees after the initial 3 years ran out. I’ve played around with pfsense but Untangle might be even easier and I can handle $50 a year. Your videos are some of the best of their kind on the web.

I'm an MSP and have been using Untangle at all my client sites for the last 6yrs exclusively. I don't have near the experience you seem to have with other solutions, but I've been highly impressed with Untangle. As of yet, I haven't run into any config I couldn't achieve using Untangle. One of my favorite things is the OpenVPN app is part of the open source base, so I can get essential network config, reporting, and a VPN installed without a subscription. But when you get a subscription the possibilities are seemingly endless. At one of my clients, Untangle tarpits streaming media services based on the end user's Active Directory group membership! That's some really well integrated networking right there. But I did discover the Protectli devices on your channel, so I'm 0retty sure my hardware costs can go down now ;-)

Hey guys! I deployed the netgate for a client that needed several vlans, one is a public wireless network. The venue is a performing arts theater and it has to handle a thousand connections both wired and wirelessly. It works great even running Surricata and other modules. It was super easy to configure, runs stable, but a little warm. I'd recommend it to anyone!

Thanks for making these videos. It is nice to get tips and pointers. I recently got a protectli box and your videos make setup/config so easy.

Excellent review. I’ll be looking for new ones.

Dude I am new to your channel, it is awesome. Keep it up and thank you.

Great video! I've deployed all of these devices and couldn't agree with you more. Netgate is also my go to for pfsense and I would advise anyone who is looking to deploy pfsense in a business environment to buy direct. One tip with Netgate, their email support is free if purchased through them with original configuration. They are quick to respond even by email..of course buy support if you have a mission critical environment.

Love the Ubiquiti firewall, the best bang for the buck!!!

Nice comparison video! thanks

Helpful video, thanks! Bottom line...scale your router to your requirements and personal needs. Mine is the $50 deal!

I just subscribed, awesome information delivery.

I used pfsense from 2002 timeframe roughly until 2007. Then I became a "real" network engineer and went to various Asa's and srx's. Ran untangle at a couple customer sights until around 2015. Now I'm Unifi all the way just for simplicity. UDM pro at home replaced my ER-4 which replaced a few previous Mikrotik's. Order of pref for feature and performance, SRX, Mikrotik, Edge Router, Unifi. For ease of use, Unifi, ER, SRX, Mikrotik. I've tried various other open source and paid solutions over the years, and these are what I always come back to. I now use Palo Alto at work, they are NOT carrier grade, miss my ASR's, and MX's, but they do cover a lot of features and use cases. They are very expensive, even compared to Cisco, and I wouldn't recommend them for small business use at all! My life is simplified now that I'm older (42) so I have no DC's or anything crazy anymore, and just StarLink vs multiple load balanced connection in my past life. UniFi really does knock it out of the park, even with all their issues. Like getting IPsec VPN working over StarLinks CGNAT.... But it does work!

Great summary, thank you! I also concur with all the callouts you have about USG, Edge, and pfSense. I personally lean towards pfSense as well. I do also have a USG Pro which seems to perform bit better than USG, but the VLAN routing, and routing between two LANs (LAN1, LAN2) is still a pain from what I have experienced, but cant say that is the case because my skills may not be the best.

Clear and informative....best networking video I've seen.

(Y) Great and super easy video for me not only to understand the features of these products but was a catalyst to my decision making for home Networking requirements.

I really have enjoyed a lot of your videos. Keep it up. In my company really we really love the Sophos XG line of firewalls and as a partner we get access to a centralized management system - that part does need some work. They aren’t cheap though but nowhere near Cisco prices.

Sometimes the youtube algorithms do a good job recommending exactly what I was searching for :) just subbed

Thanks Lawrence! Very helpful!

Great job. I think the only thing you might have left out about UnTangle is that it can do SSL decryption. This is essential in my book.

Great show. A wealth of information.

Working with all this products for years, used to build ipfilter rules over freeBSB back in the 90"s for top secure firewalls, thanks pfsense life is much better now, agreed 1000%, amazing video.

Excellent. Good work!

I like the setting of the scene, just done in workshop, nice lighting, some good depth too(foreground focused, background not.. ofcourse.). And good comparison of stuff you know about. Maybe sometimes it be fun to hear comparison between.. this and more ordinary routers people might have, or the kinda hyped "Gaming" routers, or whatever. Not that I really think id use or it is the normal audience. But it be fun.

The Ubiquiti also supports BGP, ipsec, and VTI. I use all these to establish tunnels between branches, AWS, and other datacenters as the BGP advertisements make things simple. That said, the low end devices have a lot of features but they lack processing power. The Lite and ER-8 are used in branches while PFSense runs as a VM in the datacenter.

Edge router x is amazing! I've had one up for 2 years now. No downtime. Great alternative to crappy consumer all in one's. Pair with a ac pro and you have a nighthawk killer.

Very detailed explanation, if you get opinions from other places, people say protectli. Seem like im leaning towards Netgate more.

I put in an edgerouter pro (rackmount unit) with 54 VLANs on a gb fibre connection and it's been working great for about 2 years now. It's a 52 unit apartment complex with 9 Ruckus APs for wifi with a separate SSID and VLAN (plus 1 for public and management) for each unit. Also used UBNT POE switches and no issues there either.

Good vid and well presented.

Nice comparison video for these low end firewalls with advanced features.. I recently downloaded pfSense to run in a SuperMicro ITX system. I’ll check out the generic system you recommended as well.

OpenWrt on EdgeRouter X rocks. Sad you didn't mention because it even gives you NAT offloading mechanisms. Really good choice.

pfSense is great, I have 6 years experience deploying and using it in datacenters and office space. About 6 months ago I started trialling OPNSense which is equally great and a fork of pfSense. I recommend looking at that as well given the community edition / commercial split vibe I currently get from pfSense.

Nice comparison you got there mate. My previous firewall is PFSense and change to Unifi Security Gateway Pro. Honestly, I can't do much with USG, unlike my previous firewall which is quite flexible. bad decision... :D

Would love to hear your thoughts on some other options as well like Sophos XG/UTM Home, ClearOS, etc.

I really like your reviews and the magnitude of information you give us. I'd love to see an overview on how to combine a firewall with a router and switches to make the absolute max of the ISP provided internet bandwidth as well as the more powerful LAN setup between machines and switches. Like how limiting is the 1Gbps port on a firewall if you have a lot of LAN devices talking to each other using for example 2,5 Gbps switches and for example PC's and NAS servers :)

+1 for the captive portal stuff!

The ER-X can push ~200Mbps with QoS enabled and is the only router in the group with a dedicated switch chip. For small offices the ER-X is a little beast when you need to QoS your WAN and want to run VLANs bridged on the switch ports.

I've been using a DIY Sophos box for the last few years, but lately I've been really thinking about testing PFSense on the same hardware. It's been a long time since I tried it, so it's probably come a long way.

brilliant comparison thanks Lawrence Systems. I've got a Netgate running pfSense at home and have just built a second remote pfSense box running on a HP Compaq DC8000 (Intel Quad Core with 4gb of Ram). pfSense runs so well it's very difficult to look beyond. Interesting comments regarding Untangle. I've never used it, have heard of it, sounds quite good. I also have a ClearOS server sitting behind my pfSense router at home to provide some excellent transparent proxy content filtering (keep the kids protected from adult websites etc)

Great info- thanks

Very thorough review. I'm currently looking into making my home network more secure and to also start messing with a home lab to expand my knowledge and this was very informative. For home lab usage, do you still prefer the pfsense route or does one of the other options stand out more?

Hello, perfect Video. i used Sophos UTM 9 Home Edition. for only 50 Clients its perfect but for more than that i used pfsense.

Very useful. Thanks!

Overall great video, I do think you needed to touch on the untangle pricing scheme more. $250/yr. for a 12 device subscription seems pretty insane imo.

Great video! Thanks!

Firewalla seems to be emerging more. I would love to see a video on those.

I use Ubiquiti for home use and it is awesome.

Thanks for the video, this is the question I have been trying to answer for myself over the last year or so. I like the idea of pfsense but the ease of UT. As a home user either would be great. May grab a protectelli or an old dell server blade and try both :). This channel is awesome for my hobbiest knowledge, I just need to finish off my unifi setup with a nice router.

Hi Tom, thanks for video. Would be nice if you could cover Cisco ASA and Dell SonicWALL just to know the advantages between open source and enterprise commercial solutions.

Have you ever put a USG between pfsense and your switch in a pass through like mode to get the nice graphs in the UniFi manager? I have UniFi APs and looking to get some more information in the dashboard and debating on a USG but keeping pfsense as my firewall

I have USG for 2 years now and plugged in 2 WANs into it. It works smoothly, but yes very limited firewall (but I have no complain)

For Business use: The Ubiquiti line + Cloud Key and Cloud management as an entry point. Chances are, you already (should be) using their AP's anyway. CISCO Meraki MX with Advanced Malware Protection for most use cases, simply due to 0-day AMP and Sonicwall TZ series for more nerdy setups would be my starting points. First and foremost is support availability and not looping to a single tech guy who set it up through some "command line"

Timely of me to stumble across this as i'm evaluating network solutions for a potential client and i've been out of the network world for a while.

Great video, thanks. I'm beginning to look at Untangle, your latest videos tricked me :) I don't agree about the Mikrotik statement. The problem with them is, that the engineer really has to know his/her stuff. By default, with startup firewall running, there has been no security holes. But people makes a lot of configs,- perhaps not always knowing what they do. Secondly,- Mikrotik documentation sucks, big time,- and their OpenVPN only runs TCP based, big mistake. They have promised to come up with a UDP based OpenVPN .... since 2012 :-) But a 60$ Mikrotik router forwards a gig,- and have tons ... tons of features. Advanced firewall in Mikrotik,- nope. It's a feature rich router. It's exiting, pfSense has begun to implement VPP. In near future we will see a simple Linux Intel kernel forward 500Gb with no sweat.

Lawrence, First thank you for making these videos, I really have learned alot about hardware firewalls. I have a question, I have a Zyxel UAG5100 that I got for free. I was wondering would this work for just a hardware firewall for home use and all I would need to do is update the firmware, correct? I know this is a overkill but it was free, haha. All I did was factory reset it and updated the firmware. I called Zyxel support to see if I don't need a subscription to have the firewall and they said no, the hardware is all I needed, is this correct? Or would you recommend getting the Netgate? I won't be doing nothing crazy, I just want a good firewall for my future smart home. I wish I could PFsense on the Zyxel!

The Ubiquiti EdgeRouter has been pretty reliable for me when I want to eliminate small business client (no more than 7 workstations) router that comes from the ISP. After configuring about five of these I realized that spending more on a router saved the client some billable hours in locking down the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter.

Watching excited

Awesome, Thanks a lot!!!

I just switched from Untangle/Untangle to pfsense/NetGate supported software/hardware after being with Untange for more than 10 years and a half dozen or so installations. I did not do this lightly and mostly because IMHO, Untangle as an organization seems increasingly dysfunctional with poor internal communication and their employees do not appear to be sufficiently empowered to ensure a positive customer experience. Just my 2 cents. Subscribing.

Great video..!

Been using pfsense for years but switched to mikrotik it is more flexible (also a little more complicated) at that time EoIP was not available in pfsense, has that changed?

Thanks for the comparison... I'm interested in the Netgate box, would you still recommend it or are there better alternatives at that price point ($400) these days?

I've gotten a few QOTOM off of Amazon as well.

I'm having a hard time finding a Protectelly box. Where do you find them? Are they similar to the Protectli devices?

i have been using untangled for a few months and paid for the home user...works great and easy to setup...i still need to explore its features in more depth and maybe a video tutorial would be awesome????.... ;)

Great video, what are your thoughts about fortigate and checkpoint ?

I envy that you are allowed to use open source anything for customers. The company I work for deals with mostly banks and HIPPA related companies. Anything labeled "free" or "open source" are curse words. They tend to lead to lawsuits and bad audits ;(. But it's always nice to see other options out here besides Meraki and Ubiquiti. I really liked Untangles VPN tunnel option.

i heard that mikrotik are good too but are they just a router or firewall too ? i plan on getting a cloud core router as backup for my unifi 4p

Thank you for all your videos they are very good and clear to understand.

Great video btw, a little off topic but any suggestions on home server to run solid 4 to 5 vms off?

Should review Clavister equipment, very much unknown brand on KZfaq but a very good one.

We are a total Sophos shop for our clients. Small offices get the SG or XG 135W then we grow from there based on size of business. Sleep like a baby!

Pretty amazed that so many people love Ubiquiti products. I have 860$ Ubiquiti ES-48-500W switch in my LAN at work and it is the worst device I ever seen in my 15 years network engineer experience. This model was purchased because it was the only device in the marked (at that time) providing both passive 24V PoE or 48V PoE+ in one device. No web interface at all, you need to have laggy controller written on java to be installed somewhere in the network to be able to change something on a switch. Stupid settings are placed at different sections of the interface. Interface is filled with tons of unnecessary stuff you are not able to use. When you change some settings and Apply them it drops all connections on the lan, i don't know what it actually do but you will lose connection to the server even if you are not actually connected through Ubiquiti switch! Even password remember option is present in interface but not working. Stock fans of the switch in almost zero load was louder than all my 5 servers together, have to order and replace them with Noctua fans, losing warranty. IMHO cheap Soho TP-Link\D-Link devices are more user friendly that this piece of ...... hardware. All other network is based on more than 60 Mikrotik routers, only good feelings... I was surprised that you didn't mentioned Mikrotik devices at all.

Use a Microtik for the first barrier and with the right rules in it is a great wall and does not crumble on DOS like I experienced with an ubiquiti. great comparison for those choices

Thanks very helpful

Thanks!!

You held up the Ubiquiti RouterX as an example of an "cheap" ARM device, but it's not ARM. It has a MIPS processor, like the rest of their line.

My ISP has a Modem/router all in one. Right now i have an apple router set as follows: *ISP modem/router --> DHCP range set to 192.168.10--256 *Static IP set for apple router -- outside dhcp range * placed apple router in ISP router settings DMZ so my router can do its own routing My question is can i do this same set up with the USG with ease or will i need to have more advanced skills to change these settings?

The nifty thing with pfSense is it's so easy to build what meets your needs so cheap...I was using a Zotac Zbox (which had realtek NICs) but recently was shown a nice cheap HP thinclient with PCIe slot for a server NIC in addition to options for swapping the OEM WLAN card for an OEM fiber-card. Total cost under $300 new with full gigabit (around 950Mbps) routing between VLANs and WAN with loads of resources to spare. I'd never update anything remotely just in case...but the ease of use and flexibility is amazing with what all pfSense can do.

I have the USG and other unifi products behind it... would you put the SG in front of the USG if i wanted to use PFsense or Untangled

For the comments on the EdgeRouter series, would you say the same is true for the EdgeRouter Pro8? I went for that one mostly for the higher throughput. I did replace the fans for more quiet ones, but it has served me well. I've got a relatively high number of devices, but it is home use with an office element for my job. 200 Mbit up/down is the fastest I can get, so even with some basic filtering enabled I'm still safely away from the bottleneck :) Appreciate the honest comparisons. I have the Unifi AC Pros, very nice devices. Still not sure if I should go for a Unifi switch though, as I want to prep for 10G and the you have to step up to 48 ports to get that POE+ ability. Thanks again!

What about the newer EdgeRouter 4 ER-4 from Ubiquiti?

I would like to see your review of Mikrotik products. I bet that you would find them to be great solutions.

Can you do videos on how to use and configure the netgate pfsense on how to do the most common configurations that people need. In addition can you also cover how to catch/trap viruses and intrusion detection. Thank you.