I see Professor Loury. I click. I learn. 🙏🏾❤️🇺🇸

I know it's a cliche, but Glenn truly is a national treasure.

Thanks to PBS and Firing Line for having Glenn Loury on!!

PBS having Glenn Loury on what! This is great

Seeing Glenn Loury in more "traditional" media always gives me hope and brings a smile to my face.

Regardless of how you got to where you are Professor Loury, you have my respect. You earned it.

Love this guy. So glad PBS--unlike NPR--gives a voice to all kinds of different voices.

What I find most shocking is the fact that what Glenn is saying is considered "controversial" and "outside the box" in today's America. Glenn is inside the old box, he didn't leave it when the zeitgeist did, he just shored up the old arguments that never stopped being valid. I have to laugh at the way Ms. Hoover asks him to "unpack" statements that sound so straightforward and obvious (no disrespect to her, she's a good dispassionate interviewer who has to probe with neutral language etc). I'm a big fan of Glenn, I think he's a very insightful guy, but his valuable role in this particular conversation is that of a humane voice of reason, not as a radical innovator.

Props to PBS for having Loury on

This is a wise man. I listen to him frequently. He and Professor McWhorter make a great podcast tagteam.

Having Mr. Loury on PBS is a step in the right direction. Hopefully this will be seen and open some minds. I was always taught color blindness from my extended family from Mississippi!

Glenn's authenticity and brilliance are unparalleled.

If I had to demean my humanity with a political label, I suppose I would identify as an eco-socialist. Despite this, I enjoy listening to Glenn Loury, and even occasionally agree with him on certain issues. The main reason I find him so appealing, is not only his eloquence and intelligence, but mostly his honesty and sincere willingness to engage in dialogue with those who hold different views from his own. His wife, apparently, is a fan of Bernie Sanders, which is an interesting bit of trivia. I particularly enjoyed his discussion with Briahnna Joy Gray on her podcast Bad Faith.

I completely understand Professor Loury point about affirmative actions being a boulder on the back of a black professional. Being a woman, I worked in the male-dominated field (less than 20% women). The biggest insult to me would have been to offer me a job just because I was a woman, to make their stats look good.

He's fantastic, he needs to be heard more instead of that clown Sharpton.

Great interview! Margaret Hoover's questions were often probing and challenging without being hostile or strawmanning, and she let Glen fully respond.

Looking forward to Glenn's upcoming book. He read a small part of the book once and it was absolutely fascinating and beautifully written.

Hoover is providing an excellent interview...she does her homework! Professor Loury is utterly amazing and is a bastion of wisdom during turbulent times. Thank you!

Glenn, I frequently attempt to take you to task on your podcast almost every chance I get, but I do need to express how much I admire respect and am grateful for you. Thank you Glenn.

Glenn is awesome!!! I wish him a long life!

Thank you for welcoming Professor Loury to this national platform. More people need to hear his logical and practical positions that are soaked in substantial academic experience and understanding of the human condition. I'm tired of being undercut and dismissed by the prophets of systemic racism. Professor Loury gives me hope - and words - that we can move forward as humans.

What!! Glenn Loury on PBS???? Bravo! Great questions.

Glenn IS a national treasure!

Loury is awesome. Thanks for hosting! And for the record, Loury was ONE HUNDRED PERCENT vindicated in his "Firing Line" debate. Freedom of Thought on campuses is damned near an extinct species....

Dr. Loury is awesome.

Glenn Loury is a wise man and I’m always grateful to learn.

I'm a huge fan of Loury and his work. I'm a bit surprised that PBS "platformed" him, but I'm extremely grateful that you did. My hope is that his appearance has led to a few new converts from the traditional Left. Good job... and God bless Glenn Loury.

Good to see you, Professor Loury!

"True equality comes from parity of performance, not from patronizing deference." ~ Glenn Loury. Here is a man bravely and honestly speaking the truth. The real truth, not some contrived BS desgined to craft a self-serving political narrative. I am truly appreciative of Glenn's insight. He's not pandering to an audience.

Excellent 👍 the difference between a real reporter and a propoganda puppet reporter.she let him speak his mind without trying to correct him with the party speak 🗣️

I appreciate how Glenn Loury can admit others have a valid point and also his own failings.

I love Glenn ❤!

There are dirt poor people all over the world that don't turn to crime.

Buckley asked thoughtful questions he wrote himself and engaged with the interviewees with challenging follow-up questions. Hoover almost exclusively reads polished questions generally prepared in advance by a producer. It's a sad aspect of the decline in our public programming and discourse that this show is nevertheless called Firing Line. Apart from that, Loury is an excellent guest.

I'll be impressed when NPR has an honest portrayal of James Lindsay and Coleman Hughes 🤨

Dr. Loury is truly a National Treasure and we should be thankful we have him

This is the most impactful man I have heard!

I see Professor Loury, I watch. ♥️

This guy is a bad ass.

i love glen lowery!!

Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't, but Glenn Loury is without a doubt a class act and a thought-provoking communicator. Always interested to see what he has to say.

Fantastic interview

Possibly the only remaining way left to actually get me to watch PBS these days...

Economics should be the only social science discipline.

He’s the Thomas sowell of today -I adore him

This show used to be about opposing views when Buckley was alive.

Really think about what Glenn said about Harvard. Here I am. A full prof. at Harvard. Am I up for it? The really is a Double Victory ethic. He could have coasted and no one would say a thing. But there is the is I worthy of the We. Glenn can make PBS relevant. No small feat.

Oh wow. Downloaded!

Great interview!

Fantastic interview.

That was great

Just found you. Have to say I had to sub. Really enjoy your intelligent take on things.

Great stuff. Glenn rules.

Funny how this PBS comment section is open

I highly recommend watching THE GLENN SHOW (on KZfaq) hosted by Glenn Lourey with liberal John McWhorter. No matter your political philospophy--from conservative to the Left--you will be inspired towards critical thinking and constructive action. As a progressive, I am increasingly inspired towards Lourey's DEVELOPMENT mode as SOLUTIONS to "systemic racism". Plus: the NECESSITY of a HUMANISTIC Vision, that includes ALL of us.

A Straight Forward Look at a Conservative? Is this still allowed on PBS / NPR?

Excellent interview, excellent questions. I deeply respect Prof. Loury and his positions. As much as I believe some sort of reparations are necessary, I understand that the politics, policy of reparations are deeply flawed and perhaps they would do more harm than good.

Based Glenn

She is the Great-grandaughter of an US President.

Professor Glenn Loury is Fantastic, Margaret Hoover on the other hand not so much.

Michael Kinsley's face at 23:05 after listening to Catharine Stimpson 😂 Prof Loury provides a link to the full 1991 episode of Firing Line on his Substack and points out, "As you can see, the issues at play in 1991 are still very much with us in 2023."

Good guest. Next, please interview Victor Davis Hanson.

Margaret Hoover is a fantastic interviewer. Very interesting and insightful commentary from Professor Loury.

Nature is healing

OMG 😱 I hadn’t seen that proud family scene

I had written off PBS and NPR as biased sources of information for some time already until I saw Mr Loury’s in the title of this video. I agree with this man and feel thankful he’s being given more airtime to speak 👍🏼

Now I want to know why Glenn Loury left the Christian faith

Getting rid of CRT out of University s. Thats the driving factor causing problems

If affirmative action is to be continued perhaps it’s time to be class-based more than race-based

Looking good at 70!

Prior to the passage of the Civil Rights Act, there was affirmative action for white males in education and jobs. Due to the presence of those who would still exclude blacks and females, no matter how qualified, a new affirmative action was necessary to open those doors. The changes in society have been so rapid it has given me whiplash. Anyone who says we still need affirmative action is stewing a pot of grudge.

Glen and I disagree on politics and religion, but we could not agree more on the the heart of the Civil Rights movement that achieved the Civil Rights act. The concept of progress when it comes to our sense of self and identity. The left is currently playing a dangerous and hackneyed game by using hate-based, enemy/other-creating tactics that set people who look a certain way against others. Let some boats rise at the expense of other boats. Black lives matter, but Asian and Hispanic lives don't. All lives certainly don't matter, including the unarmed white people who are also killed by police in this country. The issues we face in this country are fully human, American problems, not exclusively the issue of a specific race or demographic. We are all the 1% globally, but also still struggle with inequality in the richest country ever in human history. We have real problems that won't be solved by dividing people, blaming entire populations of people who have committed no crimes. Also, the notion of systemic racism is, like Glenn says, dis-empowering to those that believe it. It puts all power and change in the hands of those they're claiming have put them in the precarious position that they're in. This, versus building a movement focusing on the self, the idea of race being a false concept, addressing the worst forms of poverty in this country for all people, providing access to higher education to all people, reforming how public schools are funded, etc. But why move forward when it's much easier to always look backward? If you fall into the modern left, ask yourself - is this the best message you can send? Is this really the best we can do? I believe in actual progress, societally and conceptually.

The wealth & income gaps are not adjusted for the same situation.

he said he's an affirmative action 'baby' .. were standards lowered for him ? and now that he's in the 'club' he sings a different tune .. he made it with help so what about the others ??

I think that the problem with arguments about structural racism is that it seeks to use the overwhelming public belief that racism is reprehensible to get people to oppose phenomena that sometimes have little or nothing to do with racism. I was having a discussion with a woman that told me that the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine was an example of structural racism even though the harsher punishment for crack were overwhelmingly supported at the time by the Congressional Black Caucus. According to her, anything that had a disparate negative effect on African-Americans was an example of structural racism. If so the law of unintended consequences is one of the most racist laws we have. But even when a disparity is clearly the result of past racism, labeling it as structural racism doesn't do anything to solve the problem. Yes, some of our institutions were guilty of discrimination against African-Americans and other minorities in the past. But that doesn't mean we have to abolish those institutions. If very few African-American students score high enough on the the entrance exam to be accepted at the Bronx High School of Science, the answer shouldn't be to throw out the test. The answer should be to do a better job of educating African-American children in elementary and middle school so that more of them can pass the test. For the record, I don't think that a single exam is the best way to choose students for an elite school, but it is objective. I'll finish with a fact I found surprising when I heard it. Do you know what American ethnic group has the highest percentage of advanced degrees per capita? It's not Asians, it's Nigerian-Americans. I think that goes to show that the most important factor in determining educational excellence is the parent emphasis (or lack thereof) on the importance of doing well in school. Immigrants, whether from Africa or Asia, usually stress the importance of their children doing well in school.

any good ever comes out of there

Not William F Buckley.

A successful recipient of "Affirmative Action" believes it should be ended.... 😐😱😥

loury is very educated and he knows it,but a wise man always knows he does nor know everything!

I feel like Loury only recently started to come to prominence. It's unfortunate that people like him couldn't have been at the forefront of the black community earlier. Maybe more voices like his would have prevented us from being in the toxic landscape we now find ourselves in. But who am I kidding? He has integrity and is interested in pursuing the truth. Only megalomaniacs interested in money and power find their way to the front...because they are willing to say anything or do anything to get there. God bless him and may he stay with us for many more years.

Slaves had a minority influence on building this country-- do the math.

Why do these interviews always compare just black communities and white communities when citing statistics? Why not Asians? Since they are really the top dog financially speaking. They don't because it will reveal that decisions, for the most part, brings you wealth. Asians makes better decisions. So does African born immigrants. It's daily individual decisions, not skin color.

Commendable to acknowledge the negatives of his own affirmative action, his main premise really. Yet when advocating for prison reform, he sites a violent criminal who wound up with a Yale law degree. Not as a result of affirmative action? Incoherent

Margaret is still using the same old Liberal talking points, on race. Glen dismantles those taking points.

Professor Loury is truly a man of intellect, integrity and unwavering commitment to true justice. I love him so much. His voice is so valuable over the other victimhood-obsessed "public intellectuals," particularly those with "three names."

This was pointless given that there was virtually no pushback. Why is this even called Firing Lines?

"mere 50 year career"?

They blinded Glenn with the lights

Why the obsession with Ivy League schools?

I love Glenn. But his understandable blindspot remains average population differences in cognitive traits, not limited to but including IQ. As long as it is the expectation that all population groups should have equal performance if prejudice and culture are properly tweaked, the discussion will be fundamentally deranged. This assumption of equality is insane: nature never does equal. This is not just a Black and White dynamic. I have no idea what the 'pecking order' would be for which populations with respect to which types of performance. I am agnostic to what the genetic differences are, or how significant. The issue is the a priori assumption that provided true equality of opportunity, you will get equality of outcome. Until we have the courage to finally accept this truth about nature, we will get nowhere on these difficult questions.

I've heard him be more eloquent about things before, but here he acknowledges there are structural issues, then proceeds to describe the structural issues and then blames the individual for not being able to overcome the structural issue... He does it when he describes both oppression and affirmative action; describe the systemic forces working against people of colour then tells those people of colour to pull themselves up by their bootsraps. He actually makes the case FOR affirmative action in a weird way by describing how black children are SO overwhelmingly unprepared (a systemic issue) for university that university's need to make sure they do have representation through Affirmative Action. And it is in that double standard that he hits my (personal) biggest issue with this type of thinking. He vaguely describes all of these issues and trashes what were meant to be stop gap solutions, but comes up with zero actual and actionable changes that can be made. "Fund early-childhood education" - ok great! How? Public education across the country is under attack. "Affirmative Action should be stopped because it belittles black students" - Ok Great! How do we ensure a diverse student body when you yourself acknowledge the education system does not prepare black students for higher education? He mentions that 50 years of Affirmative Action is too long. Ok Great! But how do you overcome nearly 200 years of black people being shut out of these institutions and refused entry into "legacy" organizations? Maybe it's the format of the interview (though I think the interviewer does a good job asking him to elaborate to try and get to these core issues in his positions), but he doesn't come across as great in this.

On reperations, that word salad of nothingness is shameful at best. This is an obviously sad attempt to carry water for a certain group. And be the mouthpiece for injustice. Any college-aged person with a slight understanding of history will see this as rubbish.

Today, who is acting racially immorally toward any Identity Group?

Love Glenn but the inherent contradiction in criticizing the idea of systemic racism in that it puts responsibility on others (whites) to close these racial gaps yet advocate for trans racial coalitions... so we need white people or we don't?

My god apparently even PBS has become radically partisan. How sad and pathetic. Stop trying to be woke, and actually wake up, please.

You can tell this interviewer wants to disbelieve everything Glenn is saying, especially when he gets deep about the Georgetown professor and the facts on the ground, but her facial expressions are that she's being hit with truth bombs and it's making her very uncomfortable because it goes against evrything she's let herself believe and she knows it's true.

Loury seems to hold some extreme allegiance to the idea of meritocracy. He applies it selectively, it seems, to the issue of race, especially affirmative action. If this notion was made to be applied all across society, theoretically, no set asides/quotas for anything, would ever have existed in our society. The whole notion that one could inherit thier parents wealth, contradicts this notion, that everyone has to largely make it on their own. This contradicts the whole idea of the family unit, which our continued existence, is a result of.

So Loury believes that capitalism with its inherent tendency to foster greed and power, and thus extreme social imbalance, is better than a more moral humanistic vision, than would be one based truly on the idea of the 'common good'? Doesn't capitalism follow a straight line from the achaic ideas of monarchies, feudalism, imperialism, colonialism, and slavery? At what point do we ask ourselves to measure up, to the claims we make of being evolved, enlightened, and/or spiritual/religious beings, who are said to be the product of a supreme being, who made us custodians of the planet we liive on?

No matter what amount of reparations, it would not be enough. The problems would not stop and they'd still ask for more money. Why should some people be held responsible for bad things they didn't do when the other people wont be held responsible for bad things they currently do?