First European Description of Life in Japan // 1585 'Striking Contrasts' Luis Frois - Primary Source

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Voices of the Past

Voices of the Past

4 жыл бұрын

"Many of their customs are so distant, foreign, and far removed from our own that is difficult to believe that one can find such stark contrasts among us and people who are so civilized."
In 1543 Portuguese traders and missionaries landed in Japan and started the Nanban Trade Period. For half a century, these missionaries and traders interacted with the Japanese, up until the early sixteenth century and the beginning of the isolationist policies of the Edo period. Here we have missionary Luis Frois describing some of the differences he saw between Europeans and the totally foreign Japanese - on subjects ranging from hairstyles to abortion.
Taken from chapters 1, 2, 3 and 14 of the translation 'The First Europeans in Japan, 1585', translated, edited and annotated by Richard K Danford, Robin D Gill and Daniel T Reff and published by Routledge.
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@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
The original text is available at: www.amazon.com/First-European-Description-Japan-1585/dp/041572757X
@jmchez
@jmchez 4 жыл бұрын
Could you read excerpts from the diary of the Persian ambassador to the court of King George in 1809? His comments about realistic painting, operas, women and the tightness of King George's pants are hilarious. www.regencyhistory.net/2017/12/the-persian-ambassadors-visit-to-london.html
@ranielljademolato5088
@ranielljademolato5088 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make video about the European's description about the Philippines and it's people? I hope you will make it.
@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, Saturday 😁
@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
Jmchez yes yes yes I love it
@jmchez
@jmchez 4 жыл бұрын
@@VoicesofthePast Oh, boy! Waiting with baited breath.
@victoriap1561
@victoriap1561 4 жыл бұрын
"They don't like big eyes" 4 centuries later : anime
@novaterra973
@novaterra973 4 жыл бұрын
I think they originally got that from Disney animations.
@jic1
@jic1 4 жыл бұрын
@@novaterra973 They got it from Max Fleischer.
@malahamavet
@malahamavet 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine a japanese painter traveling to our time and watching in fear and disgust those girls with eyes that are like half their faces in some extreme. Even the ones we consider they are ok or small anime eyes would be outrageous for him, they went from hating almost all eyes to creating the biggest eyed drawings ever, and how do you explain to this poor guy that modern japanese fap to those girls🤣 he would kill himself
@dontbetrippin4575
@dontbetrippin4575 4 жыл бұрын
Amine characters look European
@malahamavet
@malahamavet 4 жыл бұрын
@@dontbetrippin4575 or alien 🤣
@Chickenlegs145
@Chickenlegs145 4 жыл бұрын
European: goes on a nice stroll through the countryside. Japanese: “why are you punishing yourself like that?”
@juch3
@juch3 4 жыл бұрын
Ironically now japanese walk the most
@FreedInPieces
@FreedInPieces 4 жыл бұрын
@@juch3 only because they have to
@AltimaNEO
@AltimaNEO 4 жыл бұрын
Japanese: social distancing before it was popular
@sanadayukimura46
@sanadayukimura46 4 жыл бұрын
Altima NEO before you had to
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 4 жыл бұрын
Mars Sandy 😄
@alexandersilady4751
@alexandersilady4751 4 жыл бұрын
"We play ball using our hands. The Japanese play ball using their feat." Meanwhile, today, Portugal's most popular sport is soccer and Japan's is baseball.
@KTR2022
@KTR2022 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, we don't care for "soccer" in Portugal.
@GameMasterWLC
@GameMasterWLC 4 жыл бұрын
@@KTR2022 Okay FINE feetball
@luiszamora913
@luiszamora913 4 жыл бұрын
K T please
@popeurbainii7807
@popeurbainii7807 4 жыл бұрын
@@KTR2022 hahaha you can't be serious
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 4 жыл бұрын
K T 😄 and they say they speak english 😄
@95keat
@95keat 4 жыл бұрын
Portuguese: obeys gravity Japanese: floats to spite him
@LeAlejx
@LeAlejx 4 жыл бұрын
Those damns Chinaman 😡
@bennyharvey7430
@bennyharvey7430 4 жыл бұрын
Buteos who hurt you?
@idkwhattoputhere5578
@idkwhattoputhere5578 4 жыл бұрын
And laughs
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 4 жыл бұрын
SandboxArrow what??? why? because of their ugly mugs? now I need to find everybody beautiful??? are you mad??? I bet you're ugly as an ox 😄 and bumb. by the way my preference doesn't go only for the looks, Portuguese society at the time had become one of the most advanced in the world in science, literature and art and still remaining a conservative society, something we all should learn from. unfortunately their numbers didn't help with people like Napoleon trying to still their richness and value. I put that society in front of any other at that time and today, you probably love your society now, we're different, will you tolerate me? 😁
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 4 жыл бұрын
Benny Harvey do you react only when you get hurt? your a whiner than 😁 which is ok, now please wash away your tears
@Osvath97
@Osvath97 4 жыл бұрын
"The Japanese have short noses and small nostrils." - *shows a picture of Oda Nobunaga's massive nose*
@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
Oopsy
@andreascovano7742
@andreascovano7742 4 жыл бұрын
@@VoicesofthePast Oda Nobunaga western spy confirmed?
@joachimb9305
@joachimb9305 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, but the question then remains; was Oda considered ugly?
@pankiriyan9898
@pankiriyan9898 4 жыл бұрын
@@joachimb9305 Warlords at the time had demonic faces on their helmet masks. Oda put his own face on the helmet.
@Growmetheus
@Growmetheus 4 жыл бұрын
Osvath97 *looks at picture of Nobunaga’s face* Holy crap! Its everywhereelse-people looking!
@cebonvieuxjack
@cebonvieuxjack 4 жыл бұрын
Europeans : **do something** This letter : not in Japan they don't.
@WizzardJC
@WizzardJC 4 жыл бұрын
*this video* in Japan, they Fart through their ears and Listen with their bunghole just to spite us 😱
@Goddamnitiwantaname
@Goddamnitiwantaname 4 жыл бұрын
In Europe the children grow up sheltered and with kindness to become angry emotional adults. In Japan the children grow up half-naked and with no kindness to become discreet well-adjusted adults. God has a wicked sense of humour.
@crocidile90
@crocidile90 4 жыл бұрын
@@Goddamnitiwantaname This was Europe in the end of the Renaissance era where money was everywhere and things were nice; literally suffering from success.
@adrianseanheidmann4559
@adrianseanheidmann4559 4 жыл бұрын
@@crocidile90 nice for WHOM? "where money was everywhere and things were nice" they were improving alright. But nice...? Definitely not. Not for the common peasant of which 90 % of the population consisted.
@MadAtreides1
@MadAtreides1 4 жыл бұрын
@@crocidile90 aaah yes, the good times like the "pike and shot", the French Wars of Religion , the Cologne War, the Dutch War of Independence, the 30 years War and all the other wars of religion, what a time to be alive! (but hey, at least in 1585 chocolate was first introduced into Europe!)
@Poodleinacan
@Poodleinacan 4 жыл бұрын
European: takes a stroll outside. Japanese: what penance is he subjecting himself for?
@TerryBradstreet
@TerryBradstreet 4 жыл бұрын
Last night's extra slice of cake!
@thekhans2823
@thekhans2823 4 жыл бұрын
@ TerryBradstreet , Yep and his punishment is taking a nice stroll !
@kevinbarber2795
@kevinbarber2795 4 жыл бұрын
It’s the early Otaku! XD
@gododoof
@gododoof 4 жыл бұрын
I like the implication that he embraced someone in greeting and the Japanese thought it was hilarious.
@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
Haha! I'm glad you got that
@EremitaUrbano
@EremitaUrbano 4 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@neomcdoom
@neomcdoom 4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if anyone else noticed that
@alejandroojeda1572
@alejandroojeda1572 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and he's bitter about it
@coolbones
@coolbones 4 жыл бұрын
@MonkeyPie with the boston accent too, just for that one remark.
@EinFelsbrocken
@EinFelsbrocken 4 жыл бұрын
*Portuguese man arrives in Japan* Japanese: "I hate all your facial features and I want the metal boom stick thingies...desu." Portuguese: 👍👁👄👁👍🤑🤑💣💣💣
@malahamavet
@malahamavet 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty accurate 🤣
@samc6558
@samc6558 4 жыл бұрын
this made me laugh harder than I probably should.
@MrBigCookieCrumble
@MrBigCookieCrumble 4 жыл бұрын
That "desu" at the end killed me x'D
@vit968
@vit968 4 жыл бұрын
*Tsundere*
@NerdX151
@NerdX151 4 жыл бұрын
Having lived in Japan for some time now, it is not much different today. Japanese: "I hate almost everything about you. I won't sit next to you on the train, and I fear that you may rape my children, but please visit our souvenir shop... desu" xD
@jurisprudens
@jurisprudens 4 жыл бұрын
"We dress the same the entire year" - oh, written by a South European, for sure! ;)
@Litany_of_Fury
@Litany_of_Fury 4 жыл бұрын
Considering they sailed around africa and into the pacific... I wouldn't wear my beaver tunic.
@salazarway
@salazarway 4 жыл бұрын
Use some east european cloths in Africa or South America, get some knowledge.
@hoathanatos6179
@hoathanatos6179 4 жыл бұрын
Well they were Portuguese, so yes.
@Pao234_
@Pao234_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@Litany_of_Fury Hi Друг! Long time no see!
@JoeyVol
@JoeyVol 4 жыл бұрын
A Portuguese.
@malahamavet
@malahamavet 4 жыл бұрын
I like how both Europe and Japan had good and bad things instead of presenting one side or the other as "better". This really looks like a fair comparison
@-haclong2366
@-haclong2366 4 жыл бұрын
He's just explaining the differences, this is to give someone an impression of how different Europe is from Japan.
@malahamavet
@malahamavet 4 жыл бұрын
@@-haclong2366 I know, I just appreciate the way it was done
@tommeakin1732
@tommeakin1732 4 жыл бұрын
Well I think the author tried to ignore "good and bad" in his account and just represent reality accurately, which is very admirable in my opinion as it lets the reader make up their own mind on matters of morality. The vast majority of accounts seem to be plastered in judgement, much like that Japanese scholar's account of the Portuguese
@tommeakin1732
@tommeakin1732 4 жыл бұрын
@Khanate Archer Why would you assume that we mean "politically correct"?Attempting to accurately portray reality in an amoral and unbiased way is one thing, and political correctness is another thing. Political correctness largely results from a fear of causing offence - and instead of being amoral it promotes moral relativity
@r.p.4756
@r.p.4756 4 жыл бұрын
@@tommeakin1732 political correctness goes further then just "not to offend", but I see your point.
@Magicwillnz
@Magicwillnz Жыл бұрын
Bear in mind this was written in 1575, during the Sengoku Jidai. It was a time of immense warfare. That might be why violence was so common and discipline so strict.
@creestee08
@creestee08 9 ай бұрын
wasnt europe in war on the otomans on those years?
@andrewhopkins886
@andrewhopkins886 7 ай бұрын
@@creestee08 a bit late but when has europe EVER not been at war?
@Jp19981
@Jp19981 7 ай бұрын
@@andrewhopkins886 That's why Europe was the super power in the world for so long. Constant war and competition between european countries made each and every one of them elevate themselves in every way possible
@MsCyou0157
@MsCyou0157 2 ай бұрын
戦国時代は100年間続きました。 戦争は日常でした。 戦闘行為は、あらゆる階層で一般化されました。 農民、宗教家、女性、貴族、全て武装してました。 戦国時代の日本人の精神性は、今の日本人の精神性とは、遠く離れています。 今の日本人の精神性と文化は、200年以上続いた江戸時代に作られたものです。
@waltertaljaard1488
@waltertaljaard1488 4 жыл бұрын
Account of Dutch employer of the VOC about living on their trading post at Deshima; -These people are a devious lot. They despice us, but are yet very polite. They rarely come to the point in matters of business, which makes negotiating very time consuming and agrivating. Yet they are very persistant when they think they can make some profit. They rarely allow us to get off this wretched little Island in the midst of sewer infested harbor water, that reeks to high heaven on warm days. And when they do it's always under guard of grumpy guys with shaven heads and razor sharp swords, we call queerlookers, while they call themselves ''Tsjemurray'', or something like that.. The only nice thing about this place are the women they send us for our entertainment. We call then ''Keesjes'', (which means something like ''F...ies''), while they call them Geisha's. At least they are clean and without the Spanish Pox (syfilis). They drink a brew made out of fermented rice, which they call ''Hupsakee'', but tasts like horsepiss and does nothing, unless you drink great amounts of it. Good thing I brought a stockpile of good Dutch gin with me. They do not allow us to worship on sundays, nor read the Bible. But since they can't even see the difference between a cash book and any other scripture that's hardly a problem. And we do our praying after dark and in silence. The factor (boss) has managed to learn their language. And there's also a local magistrate called Ooka who knows Dutch. I learned him to play chess, and he became quite good at it in a short period of time. He has been to the Netherlands for six months about 12 years ago and especially was impressed by our ship building and the way we use windpower. He did not like the climate (too wet) and even less our food, which gave him a bad stomach. All in all not such a bad guy. And not so aloof as the rest of them. Still I look forward to the time my stint in this place is over within 10 months, and I can return to Batavia (Jakarta) and from there, God willing, back home.-
@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely! Where is this from?
@waltertaljaard1488
@waltertaljaard1488 4 жыл бұрын
@@VoicesofthePast Bertus Aafjes; Dutch writer. (1914-1993)
@ZephirumUpload
@ZephirumUpload 4 жыл бұрын
It would be difficult to imagine two cultures who's business practices are/were more diametrically opposed than the Dutch and the Japanese. To this day any transactions lasting much longer than "How much?" "This much" "For sure?" "Yes" "Okay sold!" seems like wasting time to us.
@numberc8420
@numberc8420 4 жыл бұрын
Japan had their own version of Chess so I wouldn't be surprised if that's why he learned so fast.
@waltertaljaard1488
@waltertaljaard1488 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZephirumUpload 'Sensei Strange Devil, we have 2.000 bales of woven unpainted silk for sale.' Immedeately; '20 bars of silver, or 90 gold dublons. Take it or leave it.' 'We will consider your offer' (takes bough) 'Good. Come back when you want to. Our offer stands and will not change. And your silk will not perish when you store it dry. Good day to you. Next!' 'O honourable stranger from the lands far beyond the sea. My master sends me to respecfully inform you, that the payment for or shipment of porcelain leaves to be desired.' 'You mean that inferior imported Chinese shit from Osaka? We can make this better in or own country. If it would have been real top quality stuff we would have payed him the full amount. But now we won't. You think we're stupid? Tell Horiyoshj he shouldn't try to trick us again. Next!' A old man remaining silent kneels down with a package wrapped in oiled paper and lays this at the feet of the Dutch factor. He unwraps it. It contains sable furs from Kamchatka. To his assistant; 'Yes! Pay him whatever he wants. Quick about it! And ask him if he's got more.'
@druidriley3163
@druidriley3163 4 жыл бұрын
"Killing a man is common", "Killing in one's own home is common". Yet, if someone kills another, then "they, too are killed." Lot of killing each other going on in Japan.
@riseALK
@riseALK 4 жыл бұрын
How to do deal with too much population in too little space. This might be our future too.
@drekaflugan
@drekaflugan 4 жыл бұрын
@@riseALK nah this was happening in iceland too in old times. we have 300,000 people in modern times. probably like 50,000 in old times. when the vikings killed someone, usually someone from his family, or close friend would kill his murderer as revenge. these revenge killings could last for generations. so population really doesn't have anything to do with it, it's just culture
@zacktube100
@zacktube100 4 жыл бұрын
"If [the killer] does not appear, another is killed in his place." How was anyone left to survive all this?
@zacktube100
@zacktube100 4 жыл бұрын
Another, servants are disciplined by beheading instead of whipping.
@mikei6605
@mikei6605 4 жыл бұрын
So was europe though lol
@TheSonOfDumb
@TheSonOfDumb 4 жыл бұрын
"In Japan, ambiguous words are considered the best language, and are the most highly esteemed." This is true even today.
@soyboy1803
@soyboy1803 4 жыл бұрын
Is it a joke, cause i don't get it
@TheSonOfDumb
@TheSonOfDumb 4 жыл бұрын
Polite Japanese language is notoriously ambiguous. Receptionists will never tell you, for example, that all rooms are booked. They'll just tell you it'll be hard to find a room, with the expectation that you'll understand that there are no more rooms in the first place.
@DeathToTheDictators
@DeathToTheDictators 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSonOfDumb "They'll just tell you it'll be hard to find a room" - so is wasting time considered 'best practices' in Japan? I thought the Japanese are supposed to be efficient? Wtf?
@Exaar
@Exaar 4 жыл бұрын
@@DeathToTheDictators It's not really wasted time, because speaking to another Japanese person, that person would automatically understand that they are saying there are no rooms. It's basically considered impolite to refuse (We have no rooms, sorry), so they are implying there are no rooms without stating it. But since they assume the person they are speaking to will understand this, no time is wasted. If they are talking to a foreigner, of course, all that goes out the window.
@DSFARGEG00
@DSFARGEG00 4 жыл бұрын
@@DeathToTheDictators You have to understand that to a Japanese, there is no true ambiguity in that statement whatsoever. A Japanese has the cultural context to understand they are being refused when they hear such a thing, whereas someone from the US or indeed a lot of Europe might not pick up this subtext. It's not because of any attempt at being sly, but simply because a foreigner doesn't have the context to understand what is meant - polite refusal. To give you an American example, it's common in the US to greet strangers in a casual social context with 'how are you?' Americans understand that this is not an invitation to go into a lengthy description about how your girlfriend is cheating on you and your boss cut your hours and your cat won't stop pissing on the wall, but is rather, implicitly, a statement to the effect of 'I hope you're having a good day.' In some places, such as Germany, the tendency of Americans to ask how you are and to not really want to know is considered baffling.
@StudioArtFX
@StudioArtFX 4 жыл бұрын
Is *that* why monsters, that are supposed to be scary, in Japanese films, have big, round, googly eyes?! It always came across as comical to me.
@dylanchouinard6141
@dylanchouinard6141 4 жыл бұрын
It’s actually quite an interesting line of connections. You see, during the Middle Ages, the Mongols invaded China (this is going somewhere, I promise) with the help of some mercenaries from modern day Iran. The Chinese were so intimidated by these mercenaries that many religious sculptures would sometimes give their sculptures exaggerated features based on descriptions of Iranians (obviously caricatures, but they didn’t really have many models). This was primarily done in Buddhism, with wrathful deities like Acala and Vaisravana sometimes being drawn with bigger eyes. These motifs eventually made their way into Buddhist iconographic canon and, like many aspects of Chinese Buddhism, was exported to Japan and Korea.
@fckstreetshitters4294
@fckstreetshitters4294 4 жыл бұрын
@@dylanchouinard6141 when mongols invaded the brown people and europeans,they literally thought asians were a punishment sent by god lol they call us yellow demons
@SA2004YG
@SA2004YG 4 жыл бұрын
@@dylanchouinard6141 that sounds like nonsense. China and Persia had lots of contact through history and there were many Persians living in major Chinese cities
@dylanchouinard6141
@dylanchouinard6141 4 жыл бұрын
goodvibration IDK, man. That’s just what I was taught
@boahkeinbockmehr
@boahkeinbockmehr 4 жыл бұрын
@@fckstreetshitters4294 yeah, people with down syndrome are to this day in many European languages known as "mongoloid"
@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522
@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 4 жыл бұрын
I like how a lot is mirrored in the japaneese describsion of the portugese. Like showing emotions with no restraint
@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522
@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 4 жыл бұрын
@@ndndsksnnd7889 damn youre insecure
@williammacneill956
@williammacneill956 4 жыл бұрын
@@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 Look up "projection".
@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522
@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 4 жыл бұрын
@@williammacneill956 what he is doing is projection. What you are doing is a passive agressive attack
@moritamikamikara3879
@moritamikamikara3879 4 жыл бұрын
@@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 Ok boomer
@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522
@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 4 жыл бұрын
@@moritamikamikara3879 such originality and comunicative skills to take this outdated meme and insert everywhere without explaining what comment you're reffering to. Not to mention guessing my generation so incredibly wrong, missed by 3. Trully worth admiration.
@indiciaobscure
@indiciaobscure 4 жыл бұрын
"Women in Europe don't use wigs, shave the front of their heads, and don't like visible face paint" *Queen Elizabeth I has entered the chat*
@kanteannightmare
@kanteannightmare 4 жыл бұрын
You use royalty as an example of common practices of women?
@KlavierMenn
@KlavierMenn 4 жыл бұрын
The writter was a Portuguese. Normally, portuguese royals and nobility did not used wigs. Frech did, and you wanna know why? L I C E S.
@indiciaobscure
@indiciaobscure 4 жыл бұрын
​@We Are Queen Elizabeth I was the ruling Queen in 1585. European royalty up to 1900 or so the have always followed the fashions of their time and location, just on a more extravagant scale to show their wealth and status. In any image of a Renaissance court, the royalty, nobility, and gentry will be wearing similar garments, just with different displays of luxury. Lower classes will have a similar general shape to their garments, though perhaps 5-10 years behind and modified to be suitable for labor. Yes she was influenced by foreign fashion, but she picked up her fashion from France, not Asia! A high forehead was considered a sign of great beauty in the late middle ages and early Renaissance, so women plucked their foreheads. Wearing of makeup was normal to hide flaws (Elizabeth had smallpox scars) and to achieve the snow white complexion that almost no women have. Also she was the most powerful 'woman in Europe' at the time, so yes, she counts even if Portuguese customs were different. As for the comment that she was royalty, and the common people didn't do that, the same came be said for Japan.This writer is clearly discussing court ladies because poor women could not afford wigs, which were made of actual human hair. There were probably homemade types of makeup like kohl or certain tints, but this is difficult to prove or disprove due to lack of evidence. In general makeup was a luxury both in Europe and Asia. P.S. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BLM. CHILL.
@Calzaghe83
@Calzaghe83 4 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth did that to hide the smallpox scars. She caught it when she was 29. Also, it was lead based and ate into her skin.
@Blaqjaqshellaq
@Blaqjaqshellaq 4 жыл бұрын
English noblewomen often blackened their teeth in emulation of Queen Bess (a sugarholic).
@adamroodog1718
@adamroodog1718 4 жыл бұрын
So different than the Japanese description of the first Europeans from a couple of weeks ago. Which was 'they look different than us' then 4 chapters on this thing they call a gun.
@apotato6278
@apotato6278 4 жыл бұрын
Just imagine being under the impression that bows are the best long range weapon only for some shady looking merchant to pull out an iron pipe and unleash fucking thunder on whatever he was aiming at. It'd make for a strong impression. If i was in that scenario i'd probably buy some clothes from them... since i would've shit my pants.
@DC-ss2jx
@DC-ss2jx 4 жыл бұрын
@@apotato6278 they say that the first time Portuguese show them guns, a sailor shot dead a flying bird. Imagine seing a man with an iron stick that spits fire and smoke and then seing the bird falling. And what do you mean by shady? You mean sailors with their glorious armours and beards!
@barbarianjk2355
@barbarianjk2355 4 жыл бұрын
A potato well at the time each had their use I think. Guns weren't nearly as fast to reload or precise as a bow, and range was low. But they certainly were effective in dealing with armor and they had a psychological impact. At least the ones from the conquest of the Native American civs. and a few decades after I think.
@ADHadh
@ADHadh 4 жыл бұрын
Well, the Japanese historian was describing only the visitors, he would have to visit Portugal to make a cultural comparison like the one here.
@adamroodog1718
@adamroodog1718 4 жыл бұрын
ADHadh Balderdash.
@SuperCasualPleb
@SuperCasualPleb 4 жыл бұрын
Europe: lets see what on the other side of the world Japan: let not see what's on the other side of the world
@ciello___8307
@ciello___8307 4 жыл бұрын
The Super Casual Pleb the rulers of japan enforced isolation. Not really a choice for them.
@satriorama4118
@satriorama4118 4 жыл бұрын
@@ciello___8307 This was in early 1500 where trade with Nanban was boomed.
@ranjanbiswas3233
@ranjanbiswas3233 3 жыл бұрын
Not now.
@leifleoden5464
@leifleoden5464 3 жыл бұрын
It must have felt like going to the other side of the world landed you in upside down land to this missionary :D
@kinsmart7294
@kinsmart7294 2 жыл бұрын
The dutch poisoned the well for the portuguese. Guess profit came before saving souls. Besides the ruling class didn't like that catholicism taught that peasants had souls.
@FOLIPE
@FOLIPE 4 жыл бұрын
It's very interesting that this is the writing of someone who experienced that cultural shock first hand, and not second hand accounts like some previous texts. The Portuguese description is quite vivid and even objective.
@WhatIsLove170
@WhatIsLove170 4 жыл бұрын
I love to see accounts of culture shock that maintains a state of wonder or bewilderment, it feels alien and such is fascinating
@HarryBalzacc
@HarryBalzacc 4 жыл бұрын
Read the letter from Portuguese explorer Pero Vaz de caminha where he describes first contact with South American tribes. Also vivid and quite beautiful
@SadBrazilianNoises
@SadBrazilianNoises 4 жыл бұрын
@@HarryBalzacc Probably one of the most astonishing pieces of literature I've ever read, honestly. Would love it for VotP to cover it at some point.
@juniperpansy
@juniperpansy 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't know. I've only read from more recent sources but accounts always says Japanese are clean while the Chinese are dirty. Japan is very mountainous so there is a ton of running water for sanitation and cleaning. I am interested to learn more about this time period
@mugen_spiegel5837
@mugen_spiegel5837 3 жыл бұрын
We portuguese have ways with words, in writing, now speaking to each other its a lot of insulting with love putting into it.
@vladimirlenin843
@vladimirlenin843 4 жыл бұрын
"Japanese display their scar as honour" 18th century European: write that down!
@serahloeffelroberts9901
@serahloeffelroberts9901 Жыл бұрын
Well in Germany in the 19th century young men would deliberately acquire dueling scars on the cheeks as a badge of honor.
@Dr_Gerbz
@Dr_Gerbz 4 жыл бұрын
"We play ball using our hands. The Japanese play with their feet." What a weird concept. That'll never catch on.
@03019a
@03019a 4 жыл бұрын
You mean sexually or as a sport?
@Vivacomunismo
@Vivacomunismo 4 жыл бұрын
@@03019a it seems both are striving nowadays
@Pdor_figlio_di_Kmer
@Pdor_figlio_di_Kmer 3 жыл бұрын
Almost like today in the USA is called "football" a sport that rarely if ever uses feet to control/propel the ball.
@SondreBKrogh
@SondreBKrogh 4 жыл бұрын
Japanese student after writing something down: What the heck did I just write
@morpheus2615
@morpheus2615 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think in modern times you learn the alphabet and to write and read at the same time.
@xandercorp6175
@xandercorp6175 3 жыл бұрын
I think you misunderstand. It's more about the emphasis of the instruction rather than the literal separation of skills. Or if you like, the stage at which written proficiency is expected. Reading is much cheaper to practice than writing in some ways.
@StormWolf01
@StormWolf01 4 жыл бұрын
I love the factual aspect of this testimony. There is no judgement, just facts.
@kirgan1000
@kirgan1000 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it sound like he trying to discribe it as exactly as he can, he do not know about a Katana, so he discribe it as a Cutlass. That is corect.
@atomic_wait
@atomic_wait 4 жыл бұрын
@@kirgan1000 It seems like he's describing the sword for an audience for which the word 'katana' has no meaning. 'Cutlass' is probably the modern translator's English translation for whatever Portuguese word the author originally used for a single-edged curved sword, similar to how the dao/dadao is often referred in the West as a 'chinese broadsword'.
@tacleohjoe7577
@tacleohjoe7577 4 жыл бұрын
StorWolf01 don’t project your fruity opinion on the past ..that’s what your doing ..facts
@st1ka
@st1ka 4 жыл бұрын
@@atomic_wait Fun fact: Katana was eventually adopted by the Portuguese language. Katana, or"Catana" as we spell it, is a type of large sword in Portuguese.
@Carewolf
@Carewolf 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, from a modern perspective it describes various traits where either "Europeans" or "Japanese" are in current eyes the most modern. Was even surprised they already had annually changing fashion at this period in Europe.
@numberc8420
@numberc8420 4 жыл бұрын
"Europeans say tomato. Japanese say tomato." Another European in 1548: What the hell is a tomato?
@sirnoisyboy117
@sirnoisyboy117 4 жыл бұрын
@Skyhawk Apodaca What?
@RogueReplicant
@RogueReplicant 4 жыл бұрын
@Skyhawk Apodaca Uh, it's not like the Europeans even knew that Native Americans were susceptible to pox when they met.
@sirnoisyboy117
@sirnoisyboy117 4 жыл бұрын
@Skyhawk Apodaca The best spiritual medicine is christ. I hope you find him my friend.
@inisipisTV
@inisipisTV 4 жыл бұрын
@Skyhawk Apodaca - The Plague came from Asia brought to Europe by the silk road. You hardly hear any Europeans bitchen about anyone that killed nearly half of Europe. So stop whinning like a baby.
@arikalamari19
@arikalamari19 4 жыл бұрын
@Skyhawk Apodaca i see your outlook on history and politics, but i still dislike it☹because you wrote it under this funny top comment. I urge you to watch the song "i say tomato, you say tomato"
@josemanuelriverariveros1402
@josemanuelriverariveros1402 3 жыл бұрын
most of the things he explains, are still true today, and part of their culture. 1.- No hugs/embrace culture, 2.- Being direct with words is something pretty much nobody does there 3.- whiteness and black hair, is still highly desirable 4.- seasonal clothing culture
@ieattofu8178
@ieattofu8178 4 жыл бұрын
Europeans: *does something* Japanese: "We don't do that here."
@luizneto8665
@luizneto8665 4 жыл бұрын
"They seem to have a custom of drawing under age girl rolled in tentacles"
@patavinity1262
@patavinity1262 4 жыл бұрын
There are actually examples of Japanese tentacle porn (shunga) and other weird erotic art from the ukiyo-e period. There's a very famous print by (I think) Hokusai called "the Dream of the Fisherman's Wife" in which said wife is being raped by two octopuses.
@guileniam
@guileniam 4 жыл бұрын
@@patavinity1262 I don't think she's been raped. .I think it's consensual intercourse....with sea animals.
@patavinity1262
@patavinity1262 4 жыл бұрын
@@guileniam Possibly, yes. Either way, it's supposed to be her fantasy.
@deadby15
@deadby15 4 жыл бұрын
The Greek mythology has tons of that sorta stuff. Like Zeus turning into an animal and then having a sex with a girl. Why the similarities? They are both polytheistic cultures. Men, animals, plants, inanimate entities, machines, are not that essentially different in their world view.
@buteos8632
@buteos8632 4 жыл бұрын
501 amiga what about both having a former common culture origin??? seems pretty obvious wouldn't you say so? can you guess their name??
@Raycheetah
@Raycheetah 4 жыл бұрын
2:04 The reason for Japanese of the period to suffer the marks of "the Pox" more than Europeans was the lack of dairy cultivation in Japan. A lesser ailment, "Cowpox," arose within European populations (and lent to the mystique of the beautiful, pock-free milkmaid) which mitigated the more serious virus if contracted later, while the Japanese had no such natural defenses available to them. ='[.]'=
@nostradamusofgames5508
@nostradamusofgames5508 4 жыл бұрын
ouch
@kylefenrick7842
@kylefenrick7842 4 жыл бұрын
Raycheetah so wait. By them getting people to come and say how they felt with Indians, the same people provided pox as well. It’s so fascinating how history repeats itself Edit: ment delt and not felt, but the word is fitting, since open feeling are important to the narrative of the subject, so I thought this edit would be better lol
@KlavierMenn
@KlavierMenn 4 жыл бұрын
And was from the cowpox (known by its latin name: Vaccinia) that the first vaccine was made. Also, that ''pock free milkmaid' HAD pock marks, but in their hands, since cowpox is less virulent than smallpox, but surprisingly similar in genetics
@jccusell
@jccusell 4 жыл бұрын
this is one of the many advantages Europeans had over other people regarding diseases, and is an oft overlooked fact when considering European expansion and native deathtolls.
@juandavidrestrepoduran6007
@juandavidrestrepoduran6007 4 жыл бұрын
Chrizzie 78 how so? Literally one of the most well known books in the study of that question is called “Guns, GERMS, and Steel”
@noescape2108
@noescape2108 4 жыл бұрын
Listening to this it is interesting how China and Europe were so similar, yet despite the cultural influence from China the culture of ancient Japan show such contrasts. Especially in regard to female conduct.
@god5620
@god5620 4 жыл бұрын
this isn't ancient japan, this is less than 500 years ago. America had been discovered for almost a century at this time
@noescape2108
@noescape2108 4 жыл бұрын
@@god5620 Yes you are right, it is medieval Japan. Ancient here just refers to a time that is no longer present.
@Daniel24445
@Daniel24445 4 жыл бұрын
The Chinese Kabbalah I-Ching learned fast about female domination in world domination. The Chinese were the first to create a "moral code"
@Daniel24445
@Daniel24445 4 жыл бұрын
@@songcramp66 China is simply a pawn of London and the Crown just like U.S. since masonic minion traitors sold Americans out. Look up Declaration of St. James Place and Executive Order 12803. Poppy was rewarded with knighthood for his service to the Crown just like several others. Britain conquered China during the Opium Wars after getting them addicted to Opium just like they're doing here in U.S. This modern culture is so dumbed down to history it's a global crisis.
@Daniel24445
@Daniel24445 4 жыл бұрын
@@songcramp66 The disease originated at Ft. Detrick by the way.
@lipingrahman6648
@lipingrahman6648 4 жыл бұрын
The wig matter is ironic given the big wigs that got so popular in Europe.
@Xerxes2005
@Xerxes2005 4 жыл бұрын
Orientalism was a big thing in Europe during the 17th-18th centuries. All those silk clothings, wigs and powdered faces probably came from China and Japan.
@FOLIPE
@FOLIPE 4 жыл бұрын
@@Xerxes2005 in the case of wigs it was mostly due to Louis XIV baldness, so what before the orientalist fad. Same for makeup, it had to do with court culture. Not huge in the 16th century but much more influential in the 17th and 18th centuries.
@Xerxes2005
@Xerxes2005 4 жыл бұрын
@@FOLIPE A form of orientalism existed well before the XIXth century. "Chinoiseries" or "turqueries" were big in France in the XVIIth century and influenced fashion, especially the textiles used. I may be wrong about the wigs. Still, since it had such a strong influence in arts, design, and decoration (ex. Roccoco style), I wonder how the way people dressed should have been spared.
@FOLIPE
@FOLIPE 4 жыл бұрын
@@Xerxes2005 yeah but the rococo for example really started as a denial of the exaggerated tendencies of the barroque style that was more popular during the period of Louis XIV that I am talking about. So that influence starts to be relevant in the second quarter of the 18th century, not the 16th and 17th centuries, as far as I understand, and the adoption of wigs and heavy makeup in Europe would be previous to it.
@boahkeinbockmehr
@boahkeinbockmehr 4 жыл бұрын
@@FOLIPE wasn't makeup due to syphilis becoming fashionable as an increasing number of lords got infected with it? I can't recall the source but I read somewhere that it was in for quite some time to mimic the symptoms by means of makeup
@ujbx
@ujbx 4 жыл бұрын
Black teeth are a sign of beauty? "Listen here nippon, I have here something what we call meth..."
@penguasakucing8136
@penguasakucing8136 4 жыл бұрын
But Meth was first synthesized by the Japanese
@dylanchouinard6141
@dylanchouinard6141 4 жыл бұрын
Fiamo Scarlette there actually were some Europeans who favored blackening their teeth. Queen Elizabeth I famously ‘cleaned’ her teeth with sugar-paste to keep them black. For both it was a wealth symbol; European nobles did so to show off how much expensive foods they could eat, and Japanese nobles did it so their teeth would not go from white to yellow like the many peasants who could not afford expensive black dye.
@-haclong2366
@-haclong2366 4 жыл бұрын
I saw old women do this a lot in Hanoi, when sitting in the bus some of these old black teeth old women spit out the fruits they use to make their teeth black on the floor.
@ZephirumUpload
@ZephirumUpload 4 жыл бұрын
Beauty is very subjective and what's seen a lot in many cultures is that beauty is often more determined by status than actual appearance, take for instance how we see a tan as desirable these days whereas previously it was a sign you could not afford to spend all day in your house which, after industrialization, got flipped around. A sugar high diet was often very very rare and restricted mostly to nobility because in lieu of refined sugar you'd either need to reduce fruit to a wasteful degree or gather large amounts of honey. It wouldn't be too outlandish to assume that Japanese noblewomen, who probably ate the most delectable foods, would eventually see their teeth rot, but since nobility is revered and thus without fault, a black mouth cannot possibly be a fault, it must be a thing of beauty. Something similar happened in French fashion in the renaissance, with the concept of a 'beauty mark', this was also probably an attempt to imitate the features of a high ranking noble.
@Faze-2
@Faze-2 4 жыл бұрын
Underrated post
@Vexxed
@Vexxed 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the narrations about Japan. Love to see more!
@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Glad to hear it. Gonna keep trying to find more sources, it's a lovely topic.
@charlietube7165
@charlietube7165 3 жыл бұрын
Gay
@bobross9581
@bobross9581 4 жыл бұрын
11:34 "Ambiguous words are considered the best language and are the most highly esteemed." No wonder characters in Japanese Videogames and Anime are always so Goddamn evasive when it comes to explaining the plot.
@Zorro9129
@Zorro9129 4 жыл бұрын
It's reactive culture according to Richard Lewis.
@Shad094
@Shad094 4 жыл бұрын
2:45 "We dress the same throughout the four seasons". Well, if there was a giveaway that the account came from a very mild southern european climate (Portugal in this case), this is it.
@snoowwe
@snoowwe 3 жыл бұрын
Portugal has atlantic climate, except for the far south. No one's gonna dress the same in 25C summers as in 0C winters
@El-Californio
@El-Californio 4 жыл бұрын
Ancient Greek description of Ancient Egypt pls!!
@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
YEP
@El-Californio
@El-Californio 4 жыл бұрын
@@VoicesofthePast I believe Plato wrote a brilliant description of Ancient Egypt and it would be wonderful to have you serenade us with its retelling :)
@El-Californio
@El-Californio 4 жыл бұрын
@@VoicesofthePast Perhaps it was Herodotus 😅
@sualtam9509
@sualtam9509 4 жыл бұрын
@@El-Californio Yes Herodotus, he wrote a lot about foreign people.
@jhnndrs8832
@jhnndrs8832 4 жыл бұрын
Edward Roman Great idea! Love all Platos work.
@ValensBellator
@ValensBellator 4 жыл бұрын
I always love detailed accounts of foreign lands that aren’t overtly hostile or condescending. This was really a fun comparison between the Portuguese and the Japanese of the era.
@CaptainJacksIsland
@CaptainJacksIsland 4 жыл бұрын
"Hey, babe! My truck's acting up. I need to borrow your car." Japanese wife: "That'll be 75¢ per mile."
@Jobe-13
@Jobe-13 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@FuckYourFeelings88
@FuckYourFeelings88 2 жыл бұрын
Japanese wife: by the way, rent is due.
@tacitus3591
@tacitus3591 4 жыл бұрын
Somewhere in Europe, 1585 Woman: *drinks wine* Man: *gets offended*
@indiciaobscure
@indiciaobscure 4 жыл бұрын
It is so very not true that women in Europe didn't drink wine at that time. It wasn't ok to get drunk, but women who could afford wine drank it often.
@FiddlinWithYourCerebellum
@FiddlinWithYourCerebellum 4 жыл бұрын
Somewhere in japan Japanese woman: *Is unable to feed child* Still Japanese woman: “Guess I’ll just step on it’s neck....” *Steps on infant’s neck* European dude: *0 o 0*
@indiciaobscure
@indiciaobscure 4 жыл бұрын
@Griffith Valentino Are you talking about Europe? I'm not really an expert on the drinking habits of Latin cultures, but in Germanic and Slavic cultures not only was it ok to get drunk, it was almost a social requirement for men to get drunk together. There's a similar culture in Japan today, where you are pressured to get drunk with your coworkers and even your boss! That sounds like a nightmare to me.
@pietrayday9915
@pietrayday9915 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the writer was Portuguese, and I'm not at all familiar with 16th Century Portuguese culture. It might well be that it was a "thing" in that culture for women to be expected to avoid wine... still, I take it that fresh water was not a reliable or safe resource until fairly recently, with beer and wine being popular because the water they were made from tended to be boiled in the process, resulting in beer and wine being the default drinks for everyone as a result of the relative safety, so one can't help suspecting that the women were probably drinking SOMETHING alcoholic, even if the writer didn't consider it to be "wine". (In the context of drunkenness it was mentioned alongside, perhaps he was referring to recreational and social drinking - perhaps specifically in taverns and public houses - rather than drinking a moderate amount of wine privately at home, and in company only with meals?)
@justinh2150
@justinh2150 4 жыл бұрын
Japanese women in 1600s: This stimulus check still hasn't come in... eh. *curbstomps newborn baby*
@Lorenzo4350
@Lorenzo4350 4 жыл бұрын
Please do Pero Vaz de Caminha letter to Portugal's king uppon reaching Brazil!
@galeaobotafogo8792
@galeaobotafogo8792 4 жыл бұрын
I really hope he does, this videos are wonderful, and I would love another account of a first contact between humans/civilizations.
@galeaobotafogo8792
@galeaobotafogo8792 4 жыл бұрын
"They are of a dark brown, rather reddish colour"... "and very well built"... ... He saw a rosary and made a sign and we gave it to him, and he was pleased and put it around his neck. ... Then he pointed at the captains colar... we choose to not understand because we were not going to give it to him... 🤣
@Vitor_M.
@Vitor_M. 4 жыл бұрын
That would be nice indeed!
@efxnews4776
@efxnews4776 4 жыл бұрын
@@Vitor_M. In Japan, portuguese they are extrovert, in Brazil they are shy.
@EremitaUrbano
@EremitaUrbano 4 жыл бұрын
Thats a good one
@someotherguyyouknow
@someotherguyyouknow 4 жыл бұрын
This is interesting not only for the contrasts between cultures being observed, but also for the insights into European culture of the late 16th century (the "ancestor" of the culture I live in). For example, the observation about "going for a stroll". I guess I'd always figured that walking around for no particular reason other than recreation / relaxation / exercise would have been something that didn't happen until after the development of mechanical transport, but apparently they were doing it at least a few centuries earlier than that. Also the observation about "playing ball": the Europeans back then found it novel that the Japanese didn't use their hands when doing so; a few centuries later the Europeans invented a ball game where you don't use your hands and now it is by far the most popular sport on that continent. Maybe no one else finds that sort of stuff fascinating but I do! Thanks for the videos, keep up the great work.
@efxnews4776
@efxnews4776 4 жыл бұрын
It's the most popular sport in the world, ironicly the best at this sport is Brazil, the very first and biggest colony of Portugal.
@sergeantmajor_gross
@sergeantmajor_gross 4 жыл бұрын
Elson Felix 7-1
@efxnews4776
@efxnews4776 4 жыл бұрын
@@sergeantmajor_gross 5- 4 (world cups) we still are the best!
@efxnews4776
@efxnews4776 4 жыл бұрын
@@sergeantmajor_gross honestly, Germany did us a favor here, the 7-1 was converted in 17, Wich was the electorial number of Bolsonaro.
@sergeantmajor_gross
@sergeantmajor_gross 4 жыл бұрын
Elson Felix He is great
@justahermit1172
@justahermit1172 4 жыл бұрын
Oh man, I always love learning about the Portugal's first contact with other nations, especially considering they were in many cases the first Europeans to enter in contact with them. It's also quite nice how they don't sound judging or think themselves as superior, but rather just present the facts.
@mudgetheexpendable
@mudgetheexpendable 4 жыл бұрын
These readings of primary sources are an increasing pleasure to me. Now I know what I can expect, so I anticipate them more. Thank you both for doing this service to the historically (in both senses of the word) curious.
@epg96
@epg96 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make videos about these? European historians about Korea? Chinese historians about Taiwan before Han people's migration? Chinese historians about Korea? Chinese historians about Southeast Asia?
@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Any suggestions on sources? I know some good ones for the last two - any ideas on Europe on Japan or China on Taiwan?
@gagamba9198
@gagamba9198 4 жыл бұрын
Hendrick Hamel's account of Jan Janse de Weltevree's stay in Korea and of his own occurring later. But these things are documented well enough in English and accessible. More interesting would be first accounts of Koreans by Chinese and the reverse, Chinese of the (proto) Persians, etc. The works of the great historian of the Han Dynasty, Ssu-Ma Ch'ien, aka Sima Qian, ought to be consulted. A fascinating group is the Manchu. As a playbook to its invasion and conquest of Ming China, studies were done of the three invasions by China by foreigners, for example the Mongol. The purpose to know where they had succeeded and how they failed to sustain their rule so than the Manchu wouldn't repeat the same mistakes.
@gagamba9198
@gagamba9198 4 жыл бұрын
The Manchu were top tier mounted warriors - the blitzkrieg of the day - though they also fought very well on foot. They had both a short and a long bow (though not as long as the famed English longbow) and more than 60 types of arrows, each designed for different task - about 2/3rds were for hunting. There's a military historian named Peter Dekker who's probably _the_ authority on Manchu bows, so if you're interested in the topic search for his writing.
@tugadmundo
@tugadmundo 4 жыл бұрын
@@VoicesofthePast As a simple exemple , Taiwan was given the name of Formosa , wich means with forrm or beautiful ,to the Portuguese eyes .
@NCXitlali
@NCXitlali 4 жыл бұрын
@@VoicesofthePast I want China on Taiwan before the Han
@Guitcad1
@Guitcad1 4 жыл бұрын
I only just discovered this channel. I've seen a number of videos already just today and I *_really_* like what you're doing here! Please continue!
@DeathtoRaiden1
@DeathtoRaiden1 4 жыл бұрын
"We play ball with our hands" *SHAMEFUL DISPRAY!*
@Power2K12
@Power2K12 4 жыл бұрын
It's a strange thing to think about how much of the social contrasts between the two cultures have changed over time yet the physical differences stay the same, how over hundreds of years these remain true. How we are literal physical reincarnations of our ancestors, I probably find that more mind blowing then I should
@lecoureurdesbois86
@lecoureurdesbois86 Жыл бұрын
Homogeneity is diversity
@TheRickfire
@TheRickfire 4 жыл бұрын
Hands down the best video he has done yet and most important I would say!
@irishrose90
@irishrose90 4 жыл бұрын
What a lovely channel to stumble across. Definitely going to subscribe. Love the way the speaker reads.
@hexapud5955
@hexapud5955 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing this.
@NubianGirl7
@NubianGirl7 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting thanks for uploading 👍🏽
@novaterra973
@novaterra973 4 жыл бұрын
At least some aren't very different from today, especially regarding emotion and social etiquette.
@lamebubblesflysohigh
@lamebubblesflysohigh 4 жыл бұрын
Some on the other hand are 180° opposite to present day. For example their dislike to european facial features such as full beards and big round eyes :) it is amazing how values and preferences change with time.
@brodyhinsberg4476
@brodyhinsberg4476 4 жыл бұрын
Groups have evolved their customs and social behaviors as long as they have physically evolved. The traditions and social nuances never really left. Probably won't change change for a long time.
@lamebubblesflysohigh
@lamebubblesflysohigh 4 жыл бұрын
@Khanate Archer because they cant grow any.
@yuki.s.3881
@yuki.s.3881 4 жыл бұрын
lamebubblesflysohigh nope its because that Japanese girl dont like beards at all
@MrSomebodyyy
@MrSomebodyyy 4 жыл бұрын
lamebubblesflysohigh The male beauty standard in Japan is very effeminate
@frecherbecher5758
@frecherbecher5758 4 жыл бұрын
*House burning to the ground* Japanese guy: „I‘m okay with this“
@nacht98
@nacht98 4 жыл бұрын
Dear Japan, we still much admire you and what an amazing country you have become.
@maxkennedy8075
@maxkennedy8075 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting how both the Portuguese and Japanese noted how differently they each showed emotions. Last week the Japanese noted the traders showed their emotions “with no restraint” and here the Portuguese are saying how the Japanese would take their house burning down lightly
@duartesimoes508
@duartesimoes508 7 сағат бұрын
To make things worse the Portuguese, like most Southern European people are Latins and a very emotional, outspoken lot. Maybe if the Japs were dealing with Scandinavians or Germans they would have had a different appraisal. 😅
@5amH45lam
@5amH45lam 4 жыл бұрын
No channel has me rapt and enthralled like this one does. Truly mesmerising, fascinating.
@severalmalfunctions
@severalmalfunctions 4 жыл бұрын
If you like these type of texts, I recommend "Pilgrimage" by Fernão Mendes Pinto. It describes his voyages to India and his exploration of the far east
@joshuabouley7674
@joshuabouley7674 4 жыл бұрын
Your channel is fantastic. Thank you so much for your work.
@juanzulu1318
@juanzulu1318 4 жыл бұрын
Thrse insights into the minds of people from the past is so fascinating. One of my favorite channels.
@ryanpoggioli8602
@ryanpoggioli8602 4 жыл бұрын
What I love about these foreign accounts of then distant and unfamiliar lands is that us moderns can learn just as much about the contemporary culture/society of the visitors/observers as that of the peoples being described. Truly a window into the past and the closest thing history buffs will ever have to a time machine .
@Fenristhegreat
@Fenristhegreat 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Absolutely wonderful. I love hearing these sorts of accounts. I also love how the Japanese always depict westerners with the most outrageously large noses!
@MrAwrsomeness
@MrAwrsomeness 4 жыл бұрын
Das racist
@rheinhartsilvento2576
@rheinhartsilvento2576 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's hilarious
@algonzalez6853
@algonzalez6853 4 жыл бұрын
has me thinking they were jews and not europeans
@BJGvideos
@BJGvideos 4 жыл бұрын
@@algonzalez6853 Do you think Jews don't live in Europe or something...?
@BJGvideos
@BJGvideos 4 жыл бұрын
@@algonzalez6853 "Sadly"? Ohh you're a bigot.
@roses00000
@roses00000 4 жыл бұрын
im so gratefull your channel exists
@Hopscotchlemonadespritz
@Hopscotchlemonadespritz 4 жыл бұрын
This was amazing. Thank you
@belizarius_997
@belizarius_997 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic insight into both great cultures. Thank you for uploading this treasure
@jabloko992
@jabloko992 4 жыл бұрын
It seems the Europeans had a lot more respect for the Japanese than vice versa.
@cauliflowersupremacist8789
@cauliflowersupremacist8789 4 жыл бұрын
Just like today, lol.
@ericdunn9001
@ericdunn9001 4 жыл бұрын
Well because europeans were obsessed with exploration back then and anything about different discoveries newly found people. That's probably the inspiration behind this writing.
@BusoRockin1000
@BusoRockin1000 2 жыл бұрын
That is because a European traveling to Japan would see a bunch of people of all different classes. The Japanese were only seeing sailors from Europe, after traveling thousands of miles. 16th century sailors weren't the most elegant or well refined lot, and after 1000 miles and months at sea they were probably acting pretty weird even by European standards, due to the cabin fever from being stuck on a boat so long.
@duartesimoes508
@duartesimoes508 7 сағат бұрын
Initially the Japanese appeared to accept the Portuguese relatively well. But some years later they started chopping our heads. The first to lose them were the Missionaries - I guess the message was "I'm ok with my Religion, thank you" - then everyone else and the Portuguese ended up unwelcome and expelled... ☹ However, even today the Japanese appear to cherish Portugal and everything Portuguese.
@iphototherapybyilse5918
@iphototherapybyilse5918 4 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for sharing this information VERY VERY interesting
@friendofvinnie
@friendofvinnie 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome thank's for the video
@A-Forty3707
@A-Forty3707 4 жыл бұрын
"in Japan they kill no matter how trifle the sum" HE STOLE MY WIFE COMB DEATH SENTENCE
@user-ii3zs2gr6u
@user-ii3zs2gr6u 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, a trivial accusation leading to death seems pretty damn easy to exploit. HE STOLE MY WIFE'S TEETH-BLACKENING GOO! Europeans: The... The what? Just give it back... Japanese: YOU'VE BROUGHT SHAME UPON US ALL! But if you leave, we'll kill this other guy, it's all fine.
@robertlehnert4148
@robertlehnert4148 4 жыл бұрын
In England, a starving 12 year old could have his ears clipped for poaching a Lord's rabbit, hanged for a second offense.
@TenkaFubu
@TenkaFubu 4 жыл бұрын
​@@robertlehnert4148 Compared to being killed at the first offence
@bingobongo1615
@bingobongo1615 3 жыл бұрын
This part is bullshit by the way (of course....)
@xandercorp6175
@xandercorp6175 3 жыл бұрын
The comb is not important, breaking oath and fealty is important. Suffer not traitors.
@hollo1611
@hollo1611 4 жыл бұрын
Keep it up amazing history channel becoming one of my favorites
@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much, glad you are enjoying the vids!
@h.huffen-puff4105
@h.huffen-puff4105 Күн бұрын
Very interesting. Thank you.
@deeachilles6451
@deeachilles6451 2 жыл бұрын
Great narrative, insightful.
@cherubin7th
@cherubin7th 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting to see how much changed for both countries and what stayed the same.
@bchan3333
@bchan3333 Жыл бұрын
As a Japanese I think his observation was correct. I believe killing part was based on his interaction with samurai. Samurai was strict and disciplined as hell. 100% loyalty and obedience was required for servants. One casual mistake led them to be killed.
@fourharefelting
@fourharefelting 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is an excellent homeschool aid. Thank you!
@user-hh2is9kg9j
@user-hh2is9kg9j 4 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy your videos, keep surprising us
@MariaTorres-hc5uq
@MariaTorres-hc5uq 4 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite pieces in the Ancient Art Museum in Lisbon: the "nambam" screens. it's like a "comic book", there are always a few more details to discover. Best wishes to all from Lisbon Portugal.
@disappointedfather9394
@disappointedfather9394 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for jumping right into it instead of going on a drawn-out tirade unnecessarily rephrasing/explaining what the title already does.
@jlvfr
@jlvfr 4 жыл бұрын
As a portuguese, I loved to hear this, thank you. But I'd love to know how much of this is true, how much is the product of misundestading, and how much is a case of some japanese having a go at the ignorant foreigner! :D
@jlvfr
@jlvfr 4 жыл бұрын
@Tina Yael Severinova M. yeah, that one alone...
@jeremylynwood3604
@jeremylynwood3604 4 жыл бұрын
@Clementina Yael Severina M. From what I've read, infanticide was pretty common in Japan. They called it "mabiki". Idk about the neck snapping, but I wouldn't be too shocked if it was a fairly common method.
@stugrant01
@stugrant01 4 жыл бұрын
I think that in colder parts of europe they wore wigs to keep their head warm, while in portugal they probably didn't bother as much with wigs unless they were royalty posing for a protrait.
@obeservador98
@obeservador98 4 жыл бұрын
Do more Portuguese encounters with natives in the discovery ages
@r3fus32d13
@r3fus32d13 4 жыл бұрын
The Portugese colonizers has a bad record in Latin America and in Asia. Portugese were the first europeans to really trade with China but they enslaved many many chinese children so China was like fk europeans before the English ever even visited
@VengefulLeprechauns
@VengefulLeprechauns 4 жыл бұрын
They’re all incredibly brutal and may not be KZfaq appropriate. As much as people like to blame all evils on colonialism and to hate Europeans today, there’s a reason many Europeans believed colonialism was a moral good. The majority of premodern societies across much of the world were incredibly barbaric. We’re talking about such things as eating escaped slaves while they’re still alive in Africa, or people killing their own family members as soon as they show even the slightest of sickness.
@r3fus32d13
@r3fus32d13 4 жыл бұрын
@@VengefulLeprechauns The word christiandom: to spread christianity to everywhere on earth bcuz they are seen as inferior. The genocide of native Americans didnt stop the use of that term, the entire slave trade didnt stop the use of it, it took 2 world wars amongst all christian superpowers that nearly destroyed this planet to stop the use of that word. European colonialism resulted in 10% of the human population exploiting the other 90% in order to live a certain lifestyle. Now the world wants to live decently too and you cant stand that. How can you tell a country to not industrialize or modernize when you yourself went through the same things? Colonization means you dont want their children educated, fed or conscienciousness. Its just like slavery, it built certain civilizations up in the past, but isnt acceptable anymore and is morally backwards when the mainstream news expect every human to have even have the "right" to call themselves a member of the opposite sex. So i think the "right" to have sovereignty and not starve and be colonized is reasonable for 50% of the countries to have.
@VengefulLeprechauns
@VengefulLeprechauns 4 жыл бұрын
@Treasure Hunter Countries that were colonized the longest in Africa by Europeans, or had the most European immigrants are the richest in Africa today, the exact opposite of what the colonial oppression narrative you believe would have predicted. India wasn’t robbed, their economy and per capita GDP grew much faster under the British Empire than before British takeover. The Spanish brutality in the Americas was greatly exaggerated by Britain for propaganda purposes. The idea that European colonialism was bad for the world is the grade school talking point told to children in western public schools, I know since I was there, but when you actually take time to look at the data it’s simply not true. Your comment appears to show a profound lack of historical knowledge on Non European pre modern societies. In short, they were awful. Rampant human sacrifice, cabalism, mass rape, and a general lack of concern for human life abound from first hand accounts of explorers throughout the age of discover. Not to mention modern DNA evidence discovering previously unknown genocides in Africa. In particular, Bantu Africans killed almost every Non Bantu tribe they came across, down to the women even. The only reason African ethnicities like the Khoisan even exist today is because of the British Empire stopping the Bantu Expansion into South Africa during the late 1800’s.
@r3fus32d13
@r3fus32d13 4 жыл бұрын
@Marcelo Henrique Soares da Silva Of course your education wouldnt tell you that portugese enslaved Chinese children. I dont need your agreement to know that its a documented fact. How is Africa nowdays i ask you? Egypt was a fuel state for the Roman empire and has always been sucked out of all its resources by europeans and americans.
@novaterra973
@novaterra973 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting that Europeans had fewer pox marks, considering that this is before vaccination or even before the introduction of variolation.
@htoodoh5770
@htoodoh5770 4 жыл бұрын
Why?
@novaterra973
@novaterra973 4 жыл бұрын
@@htoodoh5770 You'd think they would have roughly similar numbers. The disease usually doesn't discriminate, and smallpox was a serious recurring problem throughout history.
@TheZapan99
@TheZapan99 4 жыл бұрын
Immunisation via proximity with cattle and dairy consumption in Europe. The Japanese never raised a lot of farm animals and their fermented foods are plant-based.
@insaneweasel1
@insaneweasel1 4 жыл бұрын
Probably since smallpox had been in Europe for longer.
@novaterra973
@novaterra973 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheZapan99 Hmm, that makes sense.
@drewenglish1946
@drewenglish1946 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best channels on KZfaq.
@falconpunch6360
@falconpunch6360 4 жыл бұрын
LOVE THIS. your vids about japan are so good. subbed.
@marianaptks9933
@marianaptks9933 4 жыл бұрын
Am currently re-reading Tales of the Otori, and this video provides some nice context and curiosities. Nice read if you like Japan, specially at this period of time
@MrJovision
@MrJovision Ай бұрын
Portugal is the most celebrated country in Japan, for its enormous contribution to Japanese history, for having influenced the development, opening, modernization, cultural and technological expansion that allowed the eternal civil war to end and that solidified the union of Japan. All students in Japan learn about Portugal and Japanese scholars increasingly add crucial aspects of Portugal's influence on Japan. The influence of the Portuguese can be seen in language, cuisine, medicine, art, technology and even clothing, as it has become fashionable to dress Portuguese style. There are several festivals that celebrate the arrival of the Portuguese, especially in Tanegashima where, in addition to the great celebrations in which the population dresses according to the season, children also participate by singing the Portuguese anthem, while scale replicas of the Portuguese boats parade through the crowd. Unlike the Japanese and the people with whom the Portuguese maintained contact, who admire the Portuguese, the Europeans who most envy Portugal finance media propaganda to falsify, denigrate and encourage hatred against the Portuguese and consequently this reflects negatively on all Europeans. This is living proof that there are countries in Europe that do not understand in the slightest how a global empire is built, as it is not through force, hatred or propaganda, but rather through true respect for the diverse peoples of the globe.
@easyalpha1
@easyalpha1 Ай бұрын
Both countries have made the planet a better place.
@paulmonn7988
@paulmonn7988 15 күн бұрын
The Englishman William Adams kinda put a end too that. He went to Japan in the late 1500s, and arrived in the year 1600, but had a horrible journey there. He ended up crashing into the shores, with much of his crew already deceased, and the Shogun Tokugawa helped him, but, took all of his weapons for his own uses. William Adams ended up becoming the first foreign Samurai and owned land in Japan, he was extremely trusted by the Shogun. He became a main adviser for foreign issues and was forbidden to leave for more than 20 years. He also was a Protestant and didn't like Catholic Portugal and Spain, and used his influence to get them evicted, which led to the anti-Catholic pogroms in Japan, and to the small island for foreigners from there on out. As far as influence goes, William Adams cannot be topped until maybe Admiral Perry. He is why the Dutch who were also Protestant, but didn't try to proselytize, didn't get evicted themselves. Spain and Portugal's influence was rendered to nothing past 1650 due to his advice to the Shogun.
@freebsdojo3769
@freebsdojo3769 4 жыл бұрын
Such an excellent channel; subscribed! Your channel needs at least a million subs. Please keep it up!
@RichMitch
@RichMitch 4 жыл бұрын
Genuinely fascinating this
@harbymastopia9635
@harbymastopia9635 4 жыл бұрын
"Wearing printed fabric is foolish". oh how the times has changed
@lashlarue7924
@lashlarue7924 4 жыл бұрын
What strikes me the most about this is just how little has changed in 435 years! There are still many elements of truth in terms of how to describe contemporary cultural differences between East and West!
@ioan_jivan
@ioan_jivan 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting 👍 of course, the perspective is limited to certain places and times
@ursoulismineslgi5124
@ursoulismineslgi5124 4 жыл бұрын
New 2 channel...need sum like this in my life👍🏽👌🏽🤩
@newera_1303
@newera_1303 4 жыл бұрын
I love to see how as the world becomes easier to travel, our customs bleed into each others. often slowly cutting out the worst of us. while we still have very far to go, it is assuring to see the nature of man seems to go towards compassion as well as the path of least resistance.
@_NobodySpecial_
@_NobodySpecial_ Жыл бұрын
While it is a tragedy that I was raised to hate my own culture, it has made me form a pseudo culture by taking things I like from other cultures and incorporating it into my own. I will never be able to think America is a "good" place and will always have a sour taste in my mouth over patriotism. Fuck the American education system for making me hate what I am
@diegojames8678
@diegojames8678 4 жыл бұрын
You gotta love the guy telling this as if he just explored Japan in the old times. It gives the video life
@SapphireUnique
@SapphireUnique 4 жыл бұрын
wow. simply incredible
@wandefter
@wandefter 4 жыл бұрын
I am so glad I found this channel
@VoicesofthePast
@VoicesofthePast 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome!!
@wandefter
@wandefter 4 жыл бұрын
@@VoicesofthePast thanks !! I literally binge watched 4 videos and I'm a big history fan so this helps Btw, the narration guy's voice is 👌
@chadh9457
@chadh9457 3 жыл бұрын
Concerning the difference in beauty standards of the eyes, I watched a movie once (foreign film) that explained that the Mongols considered women with very thin eyes to be beautiful because it was more difficult for demons to enter the body of the women. This is relevant to Japan because I am pretty sure there is a custom for women to wear a head covering at their wedding to cover their 'horns'. Related to eyes and beauty standards I also remember hearing that some tribes in the middle east on first seeing Lawrence of Arabia with his blue eyes thought it was hideous too, they apparently described it as looking at the sky through his skull which was not very attractive to them.
@krimozaki9494
@krimozaki9494 Жыл бұрын
I have read a lot of descriptions of the forms of far peoples from other peoples who see them for the first time, and it was almost always the same thing "they are ugly", and I think that this is a natural human reaction, as any human form that you are not familiar with in your life will see distorted , but when you become familiar with it you will be able to see it more objectively and see it beautiful side
@ChanahsCreativeEdits
@ChanahsCreativeEdits 4 жыл бұрын
Japan has a fascinating history and culture. Thanks 4 video. 💕
@LynisaStark
@LynisaStark 4 жыл бұрын
I just found this gem of a channel
@casrifay
@casrifay 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice and interesting
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