Quite a bit of work had to happen before I could fire these machines up, but it was WELL worth it! Check out the rest of the project here: Part 1 - Preparing for 3 Phase Power here at the shop - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLGXrMpnu8eUk2w.html Part 2 - Installing a Rotary Phase Converter - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p6qbodSVvrLepKs.html

The Cincinnati lathe is “preselector”. Somewhere around maybe the 50’s a couple of the big American lathe manufacturers started building these types of speed change mechanisms into their lathe with the idea it would speed up the changing of rpms. While a good idea, the complex mechanism often proved counterproductive as keeping them properly functioning often proved difficult. They were often callled “Rube Goldberg” mechanism, referring to using an unnecessarily complicated mechanism to perform a task easily done by simpler means. Goldberg was an old time cartoonist that drew humorous overly complicated mechanisms in his cartoons. When these lathes are functioning correctly they are great though. While I haven’t used a Cincinnati lathe with this control, I do own a big LeBlond with the same type of headstock shifting, called a “servo-shift”. These use a small hydraulic pump to control custom proprietary fluidics inside the headstock to shift the various forks and thus make the gear changes. Operation is by “pre-selecting the speed the operator wishes. On the leblond, and I assume the cinncy is similar, you have your typical lathe forward/reverse spindle engagement handle on the headstock and a redundant duplicate handle on the carriage that is basically rotating what’s referred to as the “third rod” (leadscrew is 1st or top, feed screw/shaft is below that/2nd, and control rod below that at the bottom/3rd. This control rod/3rd rod is what the spindle fwd/rev on/off handle directly rotates. It is mechanically coupled to a drum switch typically. The Servo-shift leblonds have 5 positions (rather closely detented) on this handle or knob on newer versions. Center-off and spindle brake applied One notch up or down from center is brake off/motor off but lathe is still “in gear” Fully up/down from center is on fwd/rev respectively. To change speeds select one up/down from center to the motor off/brake off position and select rpm on dial. Drop lever to center position and the spindle will oscillate slightly in what is termed “crawl speed”. The hydraulic motor spins up and the internal mechanism slides the gears around to make the shift. You only want to leave it in this position for a few seconds, long enough to move the gears into position which if you listen closely you can hear the clunk inside the headstock as they move into position. Move the lever up/down one detent to go to machine off/brake off or all the way up/down to fire up the spindle and begin your turning. From then on is where they get the pre-selector part of their name. Anytime while machining a part or otherwise when the spindle is turning, you may “preselect” your next speed by simply changing the dial to desired rpm. The next time you engage the center position on that main spindle/brake on/off lever it will, after braking, go into the above described crawl speed shifting process. Parts/problems to look for at least on the leblond that might cause the shifting problem (which again I assume is very similar and was even built in Ohio-the machine tool capital world)- -Zero speed sensor-was a mercury switch to let the analog electronics know the spindle had stopped and it was ok to initiate a shift. -Wires going to the electromechanical brake. They reside under the change gear/end gear train cover. Left side of headstock where you were questioning the engagement of that bull gear with the feed/threading gearbox (quick change gear box). The brake itself is very durable in my experience. -Small motor that runs the hydraulics for shifting gears To answer your question about the gears on the end of the quick change feed/threading box-yes that gear should be engaged with that large bull gear. Those gears on the left of a lathes headstock is called the end gear train or change gears as early lathes and smaller hobby lathes typically requires changing them to attain different feeds and threads. They are adjustable in their engagement in that they are mounted on a banjo or quadrant that has slots so you can move them in and out of engagement for the different size gears used.

Love those old machines, especially the bandsaw and jointer

Just a bit of trivia..Corry’s Machine &Tool , Bonaparte Iowa was a huge dealer for Cincinnati Tools and a few others. From a small town of 850. They sold equipment all over the country and even exported to Europe. I am in a nursing home in the adjacent village of Keosauqua Iowa. I’ve been here for 2 years and one of the first person I met was a Richard Cory. His brother Frank Corry was the main salesman along with agents scattered all over the country. Richard was in charge of delivery and setup and traveled the country sometimes hauling up to 8 machines on his flatbed. Lots of storytelling from the old guy.. Sadly these days Richard is suffering from dementia and is pretty unsteady on his feet. He would get a kick out of seeing an old machine he probably delivered and not forgotten. Last week here at the Care Centerwe celebrated Richards birthday,,,, not sure if he knew what was going on but he liked the cake.

Excitement never ends with your toys!

Love to see old machines come back to life! Please just don't let them explode in your face though man.

I have a 17" Cincinnati hydrashift that I've been getting running. I've had some of the same problems as you. Yes, adjust those big gears to be in mesh. Smash a piece of paper between them to provide the proper clearance. Mine were loose at first and it sounded horrible. The gearbox issues- take that top cover off and take a poke around inside. Right underneath is a big manifold with three shift forks to manipulate the gear sets underneath. On my lathe I found that the gear forks were not positioned correctly on thier shafts. (They're only clamped with pinch bolts). There are two hydraulic pumps. One to supply lube while the spindle is turning and one to supply hydraulic pressure while the spindle is stopped to shift gears. You can run the machine with the cover off, but prepare yourself for oil getting sprayed everywhere.

I work in the old Van Norman building in Springfield, MA. It’s awesome to see you getting this working!

I love love LOVE you enthusiasm of machines, whether there working or not! Gotta save history bro cause once there gone there gone! Love you dogs SO SO much that I can't care to show anything you do to my wife I kids just in CASE you show them lol but as for me?? Nah I'm good hahahaha yeah right! Cheers and keep'm coming, stay safe PLEASE!

love your shows. You really get into things. Its great!

Both the bandsaw and the planer motors will need rebuilding properly... That Cincinnati lathe: If it's similar to the ward prelector and the Herbert pre-op types (UK turret lathes)....then it'll have a multi port selector feeding hydraulic slaves for changing the gears... They'll likely be a load of copper small bore pipes inside coming off a manifold and going to various selectors...🇬🇧👍

Great job getting the machines running! That is a LOT of puppies!!!!! =D

Glad to see some of them work! I was half expecting a fireworks show with that bandsaw though....

Loved watching and learning the electrical systems with you!!!!

These are some awesome tools. I can’t wait to have a large workshop to have such toys.

Man, I think your ambition exceeds your given number of future heartbeats for the repair of these fine old behemoths. If you are ever going to get a few of them up to running you need some retired bored machinist/electrician/ mechanic, jack of all to get on board. [like me] While storing those machines outside, and even if you are tarping them, you badly need a few gallons of my special mix oil in a pump up sprayer. Very roughly I use mineral spirits as the base, say one gallon, then a half gallon of hydraulic oil or clean used transmission fluid, and boiled linseed oil maybe a quart or so, experiment. The mineral oil is the transport vehicle and penetrant and the linseed and light oil stay behind, the linseed forming a film. Motors are cheap, time is not. Buy surplus and auction motors and junk the old crap. The sheaves cost more than the motors. The Bandsaw motor is scrap but the jointer motor might be worth opening up. Weird how it's locked with play. The lathe will defeat you! The innards of that thing require a week full time study to get to know and then a month of cursing and torture opening it up. There is a reason many old tools sell for scrap value. I once dug a 32" Fay bandsaw out of a mud hole and made it work. Just. The cast wheels scare me, one is brazed. Works great but I wear a motorcycle helmet when I run it for more than a minute. In my older, richer days, I laugh at my younger self. Good bandsaws sell pretty cheap at auction when the economy is down. I used to build a lot of woodworking machinery. Some times better than fighting the rust. I hate rust. MIX UP THAT OIL AND FLOOD ALL YOUR INVENTORY!

The Van Norman machine is a good find and it would work well for you in your shop.

Wow, I think this is the first video of yours I watched and I hadn't seen the previous two - now I appreciate much more what you were building up to and how big a deal it was getting 3phase power in the shop. Really look forward to seeing the old joiner an 19th century ginormous band saw running - that should be another amazing restoration project! And wow you raise a lot of pups!

..good revival of old iron and eventually putting them back to work..be safe and have a great week..

Fireball tool channel did an excellent referb of a band saw that looks just like this. It's freeking awesome.

Love to see you saving these Machines

Plenty of future projects! I'm anxious to see you working on them!

Always amazed at your different talents. You will figure them all out. How about the puppies.

Excellent work👍👍👍. Thanks for sharing. A TON of restorations in the Horizon.

Lots of new toys. Have fun, Can’t wait to watch.

Watching videos like yours and others is slowly building my courage. My wood mill has two ancient bandsaws sitting out in their yard and I'm beginning to think even I could take one apart and restore. I already have a 14" band saw but frankly it's a 'toy' when compared to these bigger monsters.

Wow, I see some pretty cool videos in our future! Thanks, that was a good one!

You've got some wonderful old machinery sitting around your shop!

The belts are directional, and must run the way the arrow is pointing

if you want no bullshit and no guff, and you just want good honest results, check this guy out. love this channel, keep up the good work fella.

This old machinist showed me this weird tip. When I'm talking old machinist, i am 72 and this was when i was much younger. When searching for noises on an old machine that has questionable bearings try using a stethoscope and if you do not have one use a section of wooden broom handle. Grab the wooden handle so the top of your fist is level to end of the handle, then put the other end on suspected noisy bearing and then press your ear to the top of your fist on the end of the broomstick and listen. Surprisingly, it works a lot better than you would think, It also works on car engines, because an old mechanic showed this to me on a defective water pump bearing that was just starting to make noise. Watch abom79 he is a frickin genius with machinist arena. Put some oil in it and see what happens..

made good use of school cart!... love it!...thanks 4 video. be kind.

Yup, old belts break like that. good machine

Cant wait for u to finish. On the other hand enjoying the process as well

Hello SW. Love all the puppies, the kids are in puppy heaven. You sure have some hard work ahead of you, but you are definitely no stranger to hard work. Regards, Dave

love your passion in your work.. interested in your pups..

A project for another day? Imperial days must be longer than metric ones 😁 Glad you clarified that the puppers were a different litter. I was thinking " damn those critters grow up fast" 🤣

Love that bandsaw, wish I could find one like that to restore and use!

Gonna be nice! Gotta do some guards for those and keep the pooches locked up tight when running those things though. Good job as always!

Oh hell yeah it’s a lot better than the stick machine, lot cleaner!

I really enjoy watching this stuff. I've learned a lot. Keep it up. I would love to see more progress on that Cat 955 dozer!

look on youtube for abom79 the guy worked with these types of machines all his life and knows a lot about them , he pretty helpfull too

Can't wait to see your little bandsaw going!

You know you have some bad ass machines, when one of them is a stick shift LOL

I bought a projector to teach my kids during this pandemic. Wish I had that cart.

Both of those machines are nice

That bandsaw is huge. Nice find

If you can put some oil on the working surfaces to stop further rusting especially because those machines are stored outside. With some oil on you can leave it indefinitely without having problems with even more rust.

you have the right size Cinni now you can make parts for the Cat traxacator and that long screw is the lead screw.

Also, that fluke tester you are using is known as a "Widow Maker" by electricians for a very good reason. I own a couple, and never ever use them to make sure something is turned off, like you do at 8:44. Great way to get killed.

this is awesome! keep up the great content :)

That K-Zoo grinder just needs a little love and it will be good as new. Toasted or not, if you have it pulled apart, replacing all the bearings would keep it running trouble free for ages. Be done with it.

Gorgeous equipment- particularly the Cincinnati. You will need a bunch of emery cloth and 3-1 oil

You sure have your hands full between pups. and little ones I’m sure those machines are a nice break LOL beautiful litter.

Sure is nice to see someone taking the time and effort to rescue these old machines. I would love the jointer, but it would take up 1/4 of my garage shop.

I look forward to seeing the band saw running.

Some nice stuff there.

Man I wish I had you here in Chile to help me with things like this! Awesome tools. Jim in Chile

A bomb on KZfaq He is very experienced and run his own machine shop Hope this helps

I hope someday i can find a big bandsaw like that, but i'll probably have to build one myself.

Excellent.

Change out all motor bearings on the machines you're going to immediately use, and then more machines as you intent to bring them into service; cheap insurance..

Hello, about a year ago I suggested you apply a coat of oil to the jointer bed, and the same to the band saw then cover them with Tarpaulin sheeting. This type of machinery is not the best left open to the elements, I am a 74 year old Joiner and have been in my trade since 1961. The motors could be locked up solid, and using a puller on the cast iron pulley could snap off a section of the " V " pulley. Unless you know exactly what you are doing, look into the correct removal and disassembly. It would also be safer if you had a qualified professional electrician to check out the wiring, 240 volt is bad enough, but 440 is deadly, for you own safety get it checked out. Best wishes, Geoff Lewis, Wales, UK, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

The lathe is awesome

If you use a little Johnson's Paste Wax on the bare metal, it will help in reducing the rust greatly, and keep everything moving smoothly. And stay away from that wire brush.

Beautiful puppies! 13 little balls of energy to haha!

well done !

Awesome series. Was considering 3 phase for the utility for the shop but this looks like a cheaper AND easier option!

That was awesome

I don't know anything about those big machines but 45 years ago i used to work for a company that sold all the replacement bearings and gears for them so I used to deal with a lot of old time machinists. My strongest memory of those guys is that none of them had all their fingers, toes, eyes etc etc. . . Because of that I have always been terrified by those big machines and every time you power one up my heart skips a beat. . .

Recent Sub...enjoy old Iron restore video's and that's some MAJOR Iron. Loved the puppy fix too....that's a lot of pups and can see why you have different colored "collars" !

I am very impressed by your knowledge of wiring and machines and even more impressed by your eager willingness to take on these challenges (the band saw is my personal favorite). The puppies look great....beautiful coats and color. As always, best wishes and stay healthy.

I think the motor on the planer/jointer just needs bearings. Those are some real pretty pups you have there.

Cool video! I too am a fan of clearly labeling wires but, I was a sparky by trade till retirement... Over the past decade, I’ve started taking pictures as well as labeling everything, and depending on the complexity, I also sketch something simple but, effective especially, when a project is going to be slow going for whatever reasons.

My Grandfather had a larger Cincinnati Lathe he bought New in the 70’s I think.On his every other speed on the hand wheel was for back gears (low range) and if yours is the same there might not be anything wrong with it. Fingers Crossed,Ross

That "Americana seeds" plate is cool...

Hi, the quadrant gear train needs to be adjusted to engage the main head stock gear to the feed box. Depending on the cogs fitted, you rotate the assembly and adjust the slider to get a good gear mesh. Yours Andy UK

Liked,shared. All my best.

It looks like the sanding belt came apart because it was put in wrong so the seam got caught by the workpiece.

Contrary to what some people believe they really did build stuff that was easier to maintain and last forever back then plus I love that old style shut off switch it's pretty fucking cool

About, he's a Hella machinist. He can probably help

Err, before you go fiddling with that lathe you better get some time travel tips from This Old Tony because your lathe has a load of levers I've never seen before and all I can think of is that thing can switch time travel AND take you to alternate dimensions!!! 😂🤣😂 I can't wait to see these machines in the future, I'm really interested in learning a bit more about 3 phase machines 👍👍👍

I sure wish I saw your video earlier. I missed an old van norman milling machine, I believe #26 that came out of a school. The guy wanted $650. I wish I bought it now seeing how yours worked. The bench top model I was just eyeing was 5000. I need to smarten up.

Need bigger casters or a more stable table, my opinion, great job and videos.👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Sanding belts are a glued lap systems & should have a direction in which it should run. Look for an arrow on the inside of the belt. When using whe belt, you shouldn't hear a thumping sound from the glued flap

had the same problem with old belts on a BURR-KING 2 1/2X60, notice they are coming apart at the seem, old adhesive letting go. also make sure the platten is slightly rounded at the top as the belt comes to it

Great videos Bub, keep up the great work, enjoying this more than the election results.👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

After you get a few of those machines running, your next tool needs to be a bending brake so you can make some guards for those exposed belt. Those are some real man eaters.

bless the inventor of the tek screw! (Buildex btw but not sure about the actual person)

I sure like my jacobs rubber flex chuck. I have the whole set with the rubber plugs for short pieces. I also have that type chuck for 5C only because I have all good quality 5C Collets. Mine are not that big of a mount, I have L00.

Great video, amazing machinery! But I HAVE to say, please find an old electrician who has controls experience and abides by relatively modern safety standards and work with him for a day, or humbly pick his brain a bit. It’ll do wonders and may keep you in the land of the living where you can show us more amazing machines!

Belts are directional. Might be off direction on the glue job. Try Kingspour in NC as I recall. Nice website. Massive amount of belts. High quality.

The gears on the head stock that you can engage and disengage are for the half nut .that is for chasing threads. You can't use the feed screw and the regular feed at the same. Now there is a speed selection on the left to set the speed of the feed screw. Speed is determined by the threads per inch you are trying to turn

cute puppies!

Well, you now have a lathe, milling machine and belt grinder that at least look like they can be made usable with minimal effort & expense. Congratulations!

looking forward to your repair video on the joiner and the bandsaw. if the bandsaw is wired for 440V then you'll need to change the mag starter to a 220V ( just did that on my planer and compressor still have a big 16" American jointer to do.) watch some of the restore/repair videos on youtube about the metal lathes they address some of your issues and you can see the guts of them.

On the lathe you have small motor that run a hydraulic pump for gear shifter check the rotation is no pumping oil change the input wire to change rotation of the lathe and check again

Awesome

I have the smaller version if that lathe (12.5”) and I wouldn’t change it for a new one. That collet chuck is among the best you can find and I believe you can still get the collets from Harlingen. Do check the oil in the head, it might be a good move to change it since there’s no telling how long it’s been there and it runs everything in there. Mine had zip when I bought it, they only had about three pints instead of the 2.5 gallons it took. I believe I have the manual for that machine, drop me a line if you need it.

lever in the middle down on bottom ,that changes your direction on your lead screw,another thing is them old lathes ,you some times have to man handle chuck as you shift gears,also get your self a 4 jaw chuck and thank m e later