Didn't Joker tell the truth and Batman thought he was lying?

@@jakeington9999No Joker switched the addresses. When he walked out of the interrogation chamber, Gordon asked him wich one he was going after and he screamed Rachel, then the GCPD rushed to what they thought to be Harvey’s location. There was no communication between Gordon and Batman that suggests they think Joker’s lying

That, or Joker mixed up the addresses due to extreme and repetitive head trauma. I think the answer lies in whether or not he gave each ship their own detonator.

Maybe my interpretation is wrong but.... Joker believes he's an agent of chaos, since Joker switch the address, Batman would never be able to save who he prioritized more. Batman chooses the face of justice, Harvey dies, people would smoke Batman for getting more people killed. Batman chooses the normal woman, Harvey will be pushed to go down "their" level. Joker switched it to break not just the established order but to also corrupt Batman. Joker manipulates by ruination of order, he doesn't care who Batman is or even who he mingles. Same as how Joker makes the Boat chooses who dies... either one who chooses it will be a lose to established order.... Thus making the people power more powerful when they chooses to die as one, not deciding to smoke the another. Joker didn't expect that, you can see it in his face, same way how he complements Batman how he was incorruptible despite how he broke him with Rachel. But Joker had an ace which is Harvey going down to their level as Two Face. Additional for my geeky shit, Heath improvises the "their" line, it was supposed to be "down to MY level" base on the script. Just a single word elevates the characters more.... Nolan wants to highlight Harvey being a hero living long enough to become a villain, but Heath embrace Jokers character very much he knows Joker doesn't view it that way, Heath knows Joker thinks Joker and Batman was "MAD" contrast to "FREAKS" people refer to them, Joker thinks Harvey become MAD as soon as he loses Rachel, birth of a Two Face

@@thefifth4669 That's my interpretation too. Whoever they chose to save, they'd end up saving the other one. My pet theory about the boats is that he lied to them too. If someone would have hit their trigger, it would have blown up their own boat... and the people on the other boat would have been labeled as murderers for it.

It's really a shame he passed away.

interstellar too

@@Kalaggu2020 facts

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It displays his love of playing games, just a nice character nuance. There are a lot of them in this movie - His complete willingness to die to prove Harvey and later Batman is corruptible is a nice character nuance. His clinically insane mind being adept at teaching himself to be tolerant to pain is another one. Life is a dangerous game to him, but he's happily adept at it and loves it - His plans could fail, but they don't more often than not due to him being a psychological and strategic genius. And with Harvey's face and subsequent insanity, well, he just got lucky. Lucky in a weird way too as I don't think the Joker is cruel enough to attempt that, to prove his point ("I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve"). That's another thing I love about the film - Harvey's transformation doesn't feel out of leftfield or too unlikely to occur, as the movie establishes that Harvey's mass prosecution is very lucky - The ups and down in luck makes everything feel natural, Gordon and Harvey got lucky and then suffered some mighty bad luck. Harvey's death, which is something Gordon and Batman wouldn't cause, also provides them with some mighty good luck in a weird way.

@@tornadochaser2457"whatever doesn't kill you, simply makes you STRANGER"

@@Philthorn A play-on words! He's a stranger in that context, but his mind also has to be "stranger" to allow that situation.

@@tornadochaser2457exactly

Yes, Joker proved that even Batman can be selfish. Batman always talks about choosing justice over anything but by choosing Rachel, he kinda broke his code of choosing justice always. It's properly explained in a video of the Canadian Lad

Yeah bugs me that everyone misses this joke. It's a cerebral movie, and people don't take the time to soak in it. My favourite joke in the entire film though still has to be the firetruck blocking the route. It's on fire. Because it's a fire truck. Love the Joker's messed up sense of humour. Embarrassed me that I alone laughed out loud in the theater during this dark, quiet, tense moment. Take care three PSix

@@wren7195 yeah, people don't usually look for what are sometimes called "anti-jokes" like the Dew Drop Motel from From Dusk Till Dawn, instead of the Dew Drop Inn("Do drop in!"). Probably the most famous and recognizable one being Biff's "Make like a tree...and get outta here!" from Back to the Future.

@wren7195 I’m glad someone else caught the irony of the burning fire truck.

I agree and disagree...believe he was playing into the "Never start with head the victim gets all fuzzy...batman hits jokers head on the glass asks a question then punches him and then switches the addresses but that being said I can offer no evidence to counter your point and therefore this is merely an opinion

​@@ryanlacey7315im pretty sure joker said "you get to pick who dies" or something like that. Batman said Rachael and Rachael died because batman didn't think abt the wording

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I don't know where you heard that but come on!! do you really think that an ADULT ACTRESS who knows she's going to see a CLOWN is going to get scared and stop acting according to the script?? SURE BRO...

they fr couldnt afford good quality paint

@@raghochadman It may have be they did, and/or intended to make the paint and prosthetics a little "cleaner" while still looking messy, but Heath Ledger insisted on applying his own makeup

Yep Agreed 100%

Exactly

Fuckin facts

Yeah what he did is simply untopped. Once in a life Time

Hans landa in inglorious bastards is some competition but other than that faxx

Haha I was like 9 and I fucking sweating the whole movie LOL. When Harvey turned around and showed his burnt face, I shook the whole row 🤣

@@tricko8000 For real bro. I was 8 years old at the time. I covered my eyes.

One cool thing about this movie, it ties the characters to the comics in a way that works for the film, but also references the comics. The Joker's stories display his love of playing games, but the overall narrative shows that his origins are completely unknown like in the comics, while the film's narrative shows his character's willingness to get completely lost in this beast and creature, the priorities of said creature being all that matters to his clinically insane mind. A man in court attempts to shoot Harvey in the face, which references the acid thrown in his face by a man in court in the comics - the origin of him becoming Two Face, but in the film's narrative, it displays the passion of his psyche via his "do or die" attitude, the passion that caused him to refuse the pain medication for the agonising pain he was in, while desiring to feel the pain of failing Rachel.

The last two Cap movies actually feel similar in their realism tone, but still, superpowers existing still changes the feel to a distinct degree - With the Nolan Batman movies, it feels like they could occur in our world.

Nah, Gotham is a fictional city while Stan Lee felt his characters should live in the real world, so he put them right in New York.

@@realmetatron The Dark Knight series didn't make the choice to put things in Gotham, they're just adapting a comic book property loyally. Plus, it's just a city name, it makes no difference regarding a realism tone.

@@realmetatron point is marvels world is very disconnected from our reality, it doesn’t feel like any of it could happen in our world, Batman does

Yeah, cause Batman doesn’t have any superpowers

I have to ask: How often do find a suitable scenario for this quote? XD

Batman isn't a superhero

Agreed. Marvel make Great movies,some legendary like infinity War, Endgame And Winter soldier the Greatest Ones but the realism in this right here it's what i truly love Best ledger simply made The Best performance of the cinema period.

@@ZhaloSupercell1yes he is

Facts my Guy. Ledger is legendary

@@OscarWilliam-qb1sy Trash.

I wish he wasn't killed off, but I disagree. He's not fully in-control, not after the joker gave him that speech. I will argue that his voice is more gravelly and shit when he's "two-face", but his normal speaking voice has "Harvey". You hear it ever so slightly when he shoot's Maroni's driver and knocks out the cop protecting Jim's family.

There's nothing controversial about suggesting TDK is the best of the trilogy, IT IS. I'm almost positive that I've only seen "Begins" and "TDKR" once since they were first released.

@@spotter121877 Batman Begins is a good flick, but TDKR...like fuck that move seriously, especially the 3rd act.

Yep I agree with that completely

Batman is NOT a SUPERHERO, he's a VIGILANTE - learn the words BEFORE USING THEM.

The story being the same isn’t exactly true some plot beats yes but the motivations are totally different, things play out differently too, I still can’t beloved that’s what we could have had all along instead of the joss cut

So true. It's amazing how bad the first one was and how good Snyder's was. Personally I wasn't a fan of superman and BvS so wasn't really thinking it would be as good as I found it to be.

The motivations and characters of Cyborg and Steppenwolf are like night and day in the two versions. Cyborg went from a character who couldn't care less about in the first version, to being the most character in the whole movie in the 2nd version.

Agreed Nothing would Ever beat This

It's actually a credit to her for not wigging out completely and breaking character cuz then it would have ruined the scene and they'd never get that reaction from her again.

This as a trilogy

I thought this too but after looking it up, it's a very widely believed myth. The pause was planned but Heath Ledgers reaction when he jumps very well could have been genuine.

"He's a watchful protector, a silent guardian, a DARK KNIGHT".

Was going to say this, too. He was her BUSINESS "partner," not her romantic "partner." I really like Don, but sometimes he takes off pretty fast without looking where he's actually going.

He doesn't read comments either tbh @@wren7195

Ya the "man from the past" was the Bruce she knew before he went away.

@@wren7195 I think there is one scene in Batman Begins where it's implied the current DA is attracted to her and she rebuffs him. It's a pretty subtle scene tho.

@@anthonyanderson9303 I'm quite sure you're correct, but still drives home the point that she sees him solely as her work partner. Take care Anthony, good to talk with you

Yea he's sane. He's a psychopath, but yea he's sane.