@@usenamenotallowed Horse doesn't have hands. A good horse that enjoys the work will reach for the bit and settle it themselves when it's offered. And by that idea, what's the point of any sport? Why do people play soccer? Tennis? Boxing? Any of these 'conventional' sports? Because they enjoy it. A good dynamic isn't a Master/Slave relationship as you seem to be implying here. It is a partnership. The rider asks, the horse moves. Not because they have no choice, but because they want to please the person. In Jumping, if a horse refuses a jump, they don't force it to go over that jump again and again. They ask again, and if they still refuse, they leave it. In training, they go and do something else and come back to it later. (In competition, that's just not possible.) And bear in mind, Dressage is basically advanced flatwork. All disciplines start with ground work. You need to learn to move on the ground before you can begin to fly. :)

@@usenamenotallowed Okay, let's start from the top. I agree that the horse doesn't care about a ribbon or medal or trophy. The material rewards for winning are purely for the human's gratification. But a horse can experience the satisfaction of a job well done, or the joy of being first. There are horses that throw a fit if they are not at the front of the line in a trail ride. Is it so inconceivable that horses enjoy the activities we do with them? Rolkur is a shortcut that is frowned upon in all circles. It is used by people who can't be bothered to do things the right way. Crank Nosebands is a slang term, oft interchanged with Drop Nosebands. It describes any nosband that sits below the bit and is designed to keep a horse's mouth closed. They have their purpose, but most use them because there is an underlying issue they don't want to solve. They become a major problem when people don't fit them correctly and cinch them too tight. A properly fitted one still has room for a finger to fit all the way around. In Dressage, properly used draw reins are used as the next step to learning how to use a curb bit. It teaches a rider to hold and use the double reins without putting a sensitive bit in the horse's mouth while the person is learning. On the flip side, it teaches a learning horse how to work with a new set of signals without having the confusion of two bits at the beginning. In other disciplines, they are used in place of martingales. In BOTH cases, they serve a purpose: to teach the horse without the greater leverage of the next bit. And once again, they do not become a problem until the person using them makes it a problem. Spurs. Good grief... Have you ever seen Dressage spurs? They look like this: cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-0xplc/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/134/1218/Ladies_Dressage_242805__95338.1474235492.jpg?c=2&imbypass=on Not like this: www.sstack.com/images/xxl/40716.jpg No spikes, no rowels, just a nub of metal. Once again, it is a refinement of communication. Take your finger and gently run it across the back of your hand. Broad pressure. Now take a dull pencil and do the same thing. The pressure hasn't changed, just the size of object. If you have two signals given with your feet for different things that are three inches apart, it's much clearer if you are using something small to signal rather than your entire heel. And once again, they are not a problem until used incorrectly. A blue tongue or one hanging out is entirely the fault of the rider. It has no place in a good partnership, and anyone that I see ride like that receives at least a few sharp words from me. A tail in motion has many meanings. Horses communicate through body language. A lightly swishing tail says something different than a flagging one or thrashing one. And like everything else, timing is everything. There are horses that whip their tails around because they clipped a jump and it fell. There are horses that wiggle their tails with enjoyment as soon as the music turns on. Connotation and reading the horse will tell you what the horse is saying. 'Dressage Queens', as you so charmingly call them, are the ones that are in it exclusively for the money. They don't care about creating a meaningful partnership with the horse. Which means they use shortcuts rather than good and patient training. All disciplines have their problems. Racing has drugs and early starts. Saddle seat has soring. Barrel racing has starfishing and buzzers. Jumping has too much improperly used equipment. Dressage has Rolkur. Yada yada yada. And ALL OF THEM have people that pull on the horse's mouth. It's all on THE RIDER and how they work with the horse. And plenty of horses will jump things, or chase cows, or show off prancing around, just because they can. They do it without a person telling them to because they enjoy it. There are few things that we ask a horse to do that they do not do out in the wild, be it for pleasure or necessity. Even Airs Above the Ground. Croupade: static.wixstatic.com/media/f684de_898cefb7faa5475b9d005dd46d8508d3~mv2.png Levade: www.storytrender.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/25_MPM_ZEBRA_FIGHT-8-1024x768.jpg All we do is teach them to do it on command. Please PLEASE do your research. On both sides. You cannot present an effective argument if you don't know both sides and just cherry pick information.

@@usenamenotallowed By that logic, dogs herding sheep on a ranch is okay, but dogs herding sheep at competition is not. The dog enjoys it, the sheep are handled with care, and the outcome is the same: the sheep get moved. The only difference is the first is for work, the second is for pleasure and showing off. All of these competitions started for a reason: to show who had the best animal for the job they were in. Eventually the job itself disappeared and just the competitions were left. Does that mean that we should dispense with every single horse that has been raised for competition? That would mean that almost every horse would be useless and purposeless, and whole breeds would disappear.

You think this is okay? The horse is in pain it's clear to see, open you're eyes already.

@@warriormaiden9829 omg I stopped reading your comment at 'horses throw a fit if they're not first on a trail ride' Such a prime example of how horses are misunderstood on the daily. This is because horses have a herd order. They work in a ranking system. so yes if high ranking members can irritable when placed at the back which is why it's important to know your horses well and not 'beat them into submission for acting out' when they are just being a horse. It's never the horses fault, it's stupid humans thinking they know everything and not reading signs and being aware to whats going on. Also do you really think that the horse has a choice? Seriously, when it gets to this level of competition and they're spending millions, literally on stupid breeding and bloodlines and then a horse is refusing jumps that day that they're just gonna be like 'oh well'. haha, you're mistaken. These horses are WORKED. It's pain and they don't have a choice. There is so much pressure on them, bc there has been so much money, someone's entire brand, livelihood, household name, reputation is riding on these animals .. ANIMALS. Animals that won't be listened to when they communicate because it's 'bad behavior' and we have made all these contraptions to shut them up anyway because listening is much hard work. Horses are one of the most tolerant and forgiving animals on the planet.

Moonshine & Zoe 14 people are just retarded and want to see how much pain they can inflict onto their horse I'm assuming

Moonshine & Zoe Think of it like the difference between an automatic vs manual car. Both have gears, steering, pedals, etc. The difference is the manual transmission car allows you to fine-tune your driving. A snaffle bit does a good job by itself. The curb and snaffle together allows for smaller, more refined signals for the higher levels. Since jumping and cross country don't require those refined commands, they don't use a double. Dressage is all about balance, power, and finesse; the goal is to make it look like the horse is doing it all by themselves with the rider along for the dance. "Loud" cues detract from that, so the smaller the signal the better. Double bridle allows that. Hope that helps! :)

It is quite pointless when you dont know why they are there, yes.

He is cruel you dont need two Bits and dressage is sooooooooo cruel

@@warriormaiden9829 and horse pain

The chewing is partly to settle the bits in the right place and partly to 'talk' to the person. In a herd, they don't use words, they use body language and sound. The lick/chew is part of how they communicate. It's their way of saying "I understand what you're asking me to do". In a herd, when another horse takes their spot, it's "I understand you are higher up and want me to move". In this case, it's "I know what happens when the bridle is on. It's time for X activity". Not in those exact words, but you get the idea. If you put a halter on, take them to a round pen, and move them off, they'll do the exact same thing. A nervous or confused horse being worked will clench the jaw. A relaxed one will lick/chew. And a poorly fitted or misused bridle is what causes pain. Not the bits or bridle by itself. It's like a pair of shoes. If they're the wrong size, they will hurt your feet. If you use the wrong shoes for an activity (like wearing dress shoes on a hike) your feet will hurt. It is not the shoe's fault that your feet hurt. It is the person in charge of the shoes (you) to make sure they fit right and are being used properly so they don't cause pain. I hope this clarifies things for you. :)

@@warriormaiden9829 bit causes pain.. that's why it invented..to control a horse through pain. Don't put honey on it.

@@lop2301 So what does a bitless bridle accomplish? No bit, but still works through pressure (and if used improperly/with increasing severity) pain. Watch this video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mtlzeNB1vdzLaHk.html Pay close attention at 13 min 28 sec and on. Matt is using a rather gentle bitless bridle (as opposed to a harsh Spanish cavesson or bosal) and yet his stallion is still doing the lick/chew. Now why do you suppose that is? It couldn't have ANYTHING to do with the horse behavior I talked about above, could it? Nawww, must be because the horse is in pain... (Note: the last sentence is sarcasm.)

@@warriormaiden9829 I'm gonna write it again for you.. bits were designed to control horses through pain by people that don't understand horses. there is no other way to put it. you can ride a horse without a bit.. try it sometime. this guy explains it better (watch at least till 1:45) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/frl0l5SC37LOdqM.html Don't be ignorant.. we know better now.

There is no trouble what so ever with using a double bridle if the occasion calls for it, such as higher-level dressage. This horse is clearly not in pain and the rider clearly knows what he is doing. Any bit can, when used in the wrong hands, cause damage to the horse and if you're using a double one then, chances are, you have been riding for quite a while to get into a dressage class that requires a double bridle and are therefore able to use the bit safely and without causing harm to the horse. Please do your research.

Bella Sleepypaw yasssss go bitless

@@adrianhretcanu just to clarify what you're saying is completely wrong. You should have control of your horse without a bit. Using the two bits allows a skilled rider to articulate aids from different angles which achieve different subtle adjustments to the horses positioning and suppleness. The larger bit is actually a softer aid and the thinner one is the stronger aid; there's more pressure on a smaller point. In the wrong hands they can inflict substantial discomfort but this is why you need to be a well seasoned dressage rider before you even consider riding with them.

Bella Sleepypaw exactly

The only reason I know people using it is because its required at the grand prix level.

Ffs there’s evidence to prove bitless can be worse. But also, every horse is different and they don’t all act the same and they have different bodies and minds and behaviour so sometimes it’s what best suits the horse, not what satisfies internet doctors.

There is no trouble what so ever with using a double bridle if the occasion calls for it, such as higher-level dressage. This horse is clearly not in pain and the rider clearly knows what he is doing. Any bit can, when used in the wrong hands, cause damage to the horse and if you're using a double one then, chances are, you have been riding for quite a while to get into a dressage class that requires a double bridle and are therefore able to use the bit safely and without causing harm to the horse. Please do your research.

Thank you for saying it. I ride in higher level dressage and they are mandatory in my levels. I've done dressage in a snaffle I've done it bitless but I have to compete with the regulations so I ride double bit

There is no trouble what so ever with using a double bridle if the occasion calls for it, such as higher-level dressage. This horse is clearly not in pain and the rider clearly knows what he is doing. Any bit can, when used in the wrong hands, cause damage to the horse and if you're using a double one then, chances are, you have been riding for quite a while to get into a dressage class that requires a double bridle and are therefore able to use the bit safely and without causing harm to the horse. Please do your research.

@@isabelbowes4547 you might have noticed that I wrote that almost a year ago. I am more educated now about dressage as I used to just do jumpers but I switched to eventing. I agree with everything you said

@@finnbott1334 Ok thanks for clarifying 👍 I hope I didn't come across as rude at all

@@isabelbowes4547 for sure, you didn’t come off as rude at all, my comment back then was stupid 😂

There is no trouble whatsoever with using a double bridle if the occasion calls for it, such as higher-level dressage. This horse is clearly not in pain and the rider clearly knows what he is doing. Any bit can, when used in the wrong hands, cause damage to the horse and if you're using a double one then, chances are, you have been riding for quite a while to get into a dressage class that requires a double bridle and are therefore able to use the bit safely and without causing harm to the horse. Please do your research.

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um people that actually spend any time around horses are well aware iff the horse is in pain. yes people get it a wrong occasioanlly but do you really think this horse would be standing there calmly with that chilled expression if the bit was really painful? No, he would be trying to run away and looking tense. He just has a workmanlike expression on his face

Kate Brady i doesn’t hurt if u dont do anything! It hurts when u pull ont the reins. Besides, u could C how the horse tried to push the bit away with its tongue when he fed it to the horse.

@@1Horselove122 if he WAS in pain he would not stand for him

There is no trouble what so ever with using a double bridle if the occasion calls for it, such as higher-level dressage. This horse is clearly not in pain and the rider clearly knows what he is doing. Any bit can, when used in the wrong hands, cause damage to the horse and if you're using a double one then, chances are, you have been riding for quite a while to get into a dressage class that requires a double bridle and are therefore able to use the bit safely and without causing harm to the horse. Please do your research.

if it was clearly putting the horse in pain the horse would not relax into the contact and move properly. this man obviously knows what he is talking about. both bitless and with a bit can be equally as painful for horses. all horses have a preference because no two horses are the same. some horses like bitless others like a bit. some horses have extremely sensitive noses and cant stand the pressure of it.

There is no trouble what so ever with using a double bridle if the occasion calls for it, such as higher-level dressage. This horse is clearly not in pain and the rider clearly knows what he is doing. Any bit can, when used in the wrong hands, cause damage to the horse and if you're using a double one then, chances are, you have been riding for quite a while to get into a dressage class that requires a double bridle and are therefore able to use the bit safely and without causing harm to the horse. Please do your research.

@@isabelbowes4547 people who can comunicated with animals have comunicate with some horses who have bits they say they hurt it.

@@devoraprettysea9390 Riders with strong hands and the wrong bit can harm their horse significantly by sawing on the bit and pulling too hard but, when it's in the right hands, a double is just as harmless as bitless. 👍

@@isabelbowes4547 people who comunicate with animals have peoved that bites are not good and hurts the horse, the horses don't show that they soufer they donc like to show her emotion they hide a lot of things that you dont know

@@devoraprettysea9390 As i said before, any rider can harm their horse, even in a snaffle, but doubles cause no more pain than a bitless

Phoebe Brown, i’m sorry to tell u but bits R pain devices

Brianna Reed thank you🥰✌️ Finally some ppl with a proper brain

@@nellysandberg8042 agree

@@nellysandberg8042 There is no trouble what so ever with using a double bridle if the occasion calls for it, such as higher-level dressage. This horse is clearly not in pain and the rider clearly knows what he is doing. Any bit can, when used in the wrong hands, cause damage to the horse and if you're using a double one then, chances are, you have been riding for quite a while to get into a dressage class that requires a double bridle and are therefore able to use the bit safely and without causing harm to the horse. Please do your research.

There is no trouble what so ever with using a double bridle if the occasion calls for it, such as higher-level dressage. This horse is clearly not in pain and the rider clearly knows what he is doing. Any bit can, when used in the wrong hands, cause damage to the horse and if you're using a double one then, chances are, you have been riding for quite a while to get into a dressage class that requires a double bridle and are therefore able to use the bit safely and without causing harm to the horse. Please do your research.

that is not what a double bridle is for at all...a horse learns to accept the contact in preliminary levels...you don't use a double bridle until prix st George.

Do you even know what it's used for? Have you done extensive research with real studies? Or are you just a 12 year old assuming stuff? Based on your profile picture, I'm guessing the latter.

Bits do not cause pain. Where did you get that information? Rick gore or raleigh? Hackamores, bosals, bitless bridles even halters can cause a lot of damage if they are used incorectly or harshly. It's not like every horse is able to be ridden in a hackamore, you shouldn't use equipment that you like just because of your beliefs. If a snaffle bridle or a double bridle is used and fitted corectly they don't cause any pain.

Actually, it depends on the type of horse. All horses are different and they all have different attitudes and behaviours. It’s all about heat best suits the horse.

Skyler Plays yasssssss

@@khricket wow its looks you older 😑 you think its good for horse its still painful

There is no trouble what so ever with using a double bridle if the occasion calls for it, such as higher-level dressage. This horse is clearly not in pain and the rider clearly knows what he is doing. Any bit can, when used in the wrong hands, cause damage to the horse and if you're using a double one then, chances are, you have been riding for quite a while to get into a dressage class that requires a double bridle and are therefore able to use the bit safely and without causing harm to the horse. Please do your research.

True. The worry lines and muzzle lines are very clear. The horse maybe standing there but in no way is he comfortable. I have over 20 years of riding experience and I'm also an equine massages therapist. I can tell when a horse is uncomfortable by just look at his face. I'm not saying the 2 bit thing is the cause (altho I personaly would never do that to a horse, so many other options to reach your riding goals) but I am acknowledging the tension that's very clearly viable in the horses face

A weight bar in a mouth is not mean? why do most dressage horses have open mouth then?