I love how the calisthenics guy is saying OHP is too taxing on his legs lol

I love how everyone's arguments against the standing press are actually benefits of the standing press/jerk/push press.

Since I use calisthenics to train my upper body and Alec methods to combine sprinting and heavy squats, this video feels like my parents fighting

FitnessFAQs is the most snooze enducing fitness youtuber, always fall asleep after 15 seconds when I try to watch a vid of his

Coming back to your channel from time to time and i have to say this: your information is far more practical and useful for the majority of lifters than those hyped up "experts" out there. Lol. I'm saying this as a person who has been lifting weight and playing various sports for almost 15 years (i'm 26). You speak with a real experience and realistic view on how people can approach this subject. Advice for long term goal is much more valuable yet often neglected.

A podcast with you two will be very interesting to watch. From what I've seen he is a good learner and I think he will learn from this video if he watches it

You're an awesome dude, i really love how you honestly explain everything with no fluff and no bullshit. I love this channel because anyone can learn so much by watching your content.

Damn, didn't expect you'd completely dismantle and destroy his take. Glad he made the mistake to use your push press footage.

Already commented on Instagram on this, but I’ll share it here as well. I don’t get why standing OHP gets so much crap. It’s such an honest display of strength. To claim that prioritising it in training is a bad idea is just ass backwards.

I’m pretty sure Daniel is just a cyborg who needs updated maintenance

I love the way you take things so personally.

The first time I did a Z-press I basically fell over backward. Thankfully I had my squat stand safeties in the right spot and got the bar on them before I toppled over. The first thought through my head was wow the stability demands are super specific and balance feels like a bit of a razor's edge... 😅

throwback to when i hit 2 plates on the pushpress and got told i was cheating

Olympic weightlifters are cheating. They should deadlift the bar, curl it up, sit down and then press it over head

The ending also made me want to do some push presses on today’s upper body workout 😂

Any fitness influencer trying to reinvent the wheel by saying that THE BIGGEST shoulder building exercise is "bad" or inferior to other movements shouldn't be taken seriously in this industry.

as a fellow average z press enjoyer, I totally agree with these points. the tendency to create more body english is more present in the z press than in the standing overhead press. not to mention, the push press is another good way to overload the press as you can quickly hit a plateau when pushing the strict press.

Surprised he chose your video as an example of what he deems is wrong. Either way, it makes for a good video topic for you to cover & may be a blessing in disguise. 💪

Tbh he should’ve absolutely painted you as an ego lifter. How else would we have been blessed with this gem of a video on a Friday ? Also if he disagrees with the push presses you do then I’m sure he’d get a heart attack if he looks at my Olympic pressing style!

1) your push press is filthy 2) totally agreed on the layback. Easy to be completely vertical with only the bar, but things change when you’re working with your body weight or more.

I love it when voices from the functional fitness sphere advocate for extremely strict movement patterns which allow little to no deviations, because that's of ccourse so natural and makes a ton of sense.

You never know in this fast paced fuzzy world, but hope things are going well man. Glad to see you back, even if I dont always agree, have really missed your content.

The reason why standing OHP is a good exercise is because it puts stress on your legs and core stabilizers for balance. This means that you can skip leg day after standing OHP (just joking, LOL). The calisthenics guy thinks that body building is only about muscle growth, but he ignores the component of increasing the bone density. Standing OHP is generally ignored in the bodybuilding community, but this exercise is best done with dumbbells.

Always room to learn. good video I hope the Australian calisthenics master appreciates this instead of resenting it.

Your ability to breath while talking quickly is most impressive.

I'm now gonna make the push-press my main pressing movement!

8:20 yes, his form introduced an unnecessary “moment arm” to the leverages involved

Dude these videos are hilarious. The gadfly of the fitness industry!

Squeezing my butt like Big Shaq is behind me is something I'm already getting more comfortable with, but locking the quads is still quite a challenge, specially with high reps.

Was waiting for this haha! Great work as always Alec.

I doubt he even made the short tbh. FitnessFAQ has 1.5 million subs. I'm sure he has an editing team that splices videos and text overtop of his voiceovers. That being said.... He's still responsible for every video that gets posted to his channel. He should be reviewing all of his shorts before they get uploaded. But it looks like this one might have slipped through the cracks.

OHP has felt so good since I started squeezing the hell out of my glutes/quads/abs

The clean and press with 2 dumbbells is where it at. Clean, press then repeat 😁

I'm surprised Daniel from FitFAQ would do this. It's puzzling. His content is usually solid...

Great video brother! I have personally bailed a zpress and almost decapitated myself. For sure the “more stable” movement. Cheers brother!

Also, he made a video where he's not only saying that behind the neck pressing is not a good idea, but even that those who currently have no problems with it will face consequences down the line. I know you are of the opposite opinion.

I think he's talking to beginners in terms of exercise selection for shoulders hypertrophy (sets of 8+ reps), while you're talking to seasoned strength lifters in terms of optimizing vertical load pressing (lots of your footage is doing set of 1 rep). No one is wrong here. But I wonder if would you have made that video if the guy doing a push press wasn't you? "If someone succeeds in provoking, you do realize that your mind is complicit in the provocation?"

Would love to see more of your training log videos.

this channel is so underrated. Content is much more insightful only being held back by not-so-fancy production quality

Killer response! I think a lot of people don’t get how important the glute activation is on standing presses, and trap bar OHP’s are money!

Oooo leaning back is robbing me of my shoulders gains.Yeah right people arch in pull ups for better lats engagement. He even made a video about it too. I might be wrong though. However im with alec in this one.

Off topic, I had quite a bit of elbow pain while doing pull-ups, now my form is good, not to boast but I have good form, they're slow, controlled, everything else feels good apart from my elbow. So I happened across his channel and found a video on the elbow pain, and the answer was doing the negative slower, and I honestly don't think doing it any slower than what I was probably a 4 second negative normally would have made a blind bit of difference.

That's got to be the best thumbnail I've ever seen. Well done, sir.

I don't know what to say man, I had some respect for his older videos, he seemed like a real one, but lately(the past 3 years or so), he's becoming what he was not supposed to be, some sort of mini Athlean-X but calisthenics based, and it sucks. I don't even follow him nowadays, even though he helped me a lot in the beginning.

I've hit a 240 push press that is up and posted. Every time I push press, my back feels better after doing them 🤷‍♂️

Love me some push press. Did it today as part of a full body day. 10/10 prefer over other overhead pressing variations.

im gonna do branch warren style seated push presses just to prove a point lmao

This is hella funny. Omgosh.

Does anyone have a link to the original video of Fitness FAQs

Damn that was so random...why did he used you? xD

Hahaha.. First off, I love fitness faq. But he deserved this smack down. Also I was confused about your awful tank top taste at first, until I understood why u were wearing it 😂👍

That really is a shame man that your clips got taken out of context like that. Very bizarre he chose your clips out everything he could have used available on the internet in terms of ego lifts on OHP. Even if your push press clips were ego lifts, the pure appearance of your form (outside of the leg drive to those who don’t understand it) doesn’t even look bad. Therefore it shouldn’t even look like that much of an ego lift. I realize saying that is weird because we know it’s not an ego lift to begin with. But that’s what’s so baffling as it comes to why he used it in the first place. The overall press still looks clean and stable. You’d imagine he would have rather used a clip that involved someone who used sloppy leg drive and then didn’t even complete the press of the pattern smoothly or properly to begin with. That’s very strange. But as you’ve done in the past, you yet again give a sound and respectable response to back yourself up. I applaud the maturity on the platform considering what your channels been through. Good stuff as always man. Much support! Addition: In my experience, occasionally utilizing some leg drive in even conventional OHP has helped break some plateaus. Just to allow for a few extra solid eccentric reps for a given weight. So honestly, cheating the movement to do some extra reps I feel has it’s place for the exercise area (This being a technique for those who have enough practice with the movement)

to me the Z-Press is actually a way worse hypertrophy exercise than standing, or seated ohp, or BTN Press

5:09-5:21 Cracking me up!

Z presses and unsupported seated presses suck BIG TIME for hypertrophy. The worst stability of all shoulder presses variations, you can actually screw up your lower back super easily because of shifts in bar path, and most peoples don't have the harmstring stability to pull it up with a straight back anyway. FitnessFAQ should stick to his lane until he has learned properly about non calidthenics training modalities.

Oh dear. Perhaps someone's editor got overzealous? A schoolboy error from FitnessFAQs. Silly silly silly.

I follow both FitnessFaqs and you, I absolutely respect both of you, but this was certainly a dick move from him. I love educating myself with different approaches to fitness, thank you for being a part of that. Great video!!!

Hey, i also have spondylolisthesis, youre the first guy i know that also has it in the exact same spot lol, since I started lifting i stopped having the pain i used to hav but i feel like my deadlift is weak maybe because of that problem, what do you think?

Ouch! That was a mauling! lol

Wouldn't scapular depression/retraction help with the bar path without compromising hip/thoracic spine placement?

Shots fired

Oh I knew this was coming!!

putting push press on leg day and upper day because it uses both

13:40 THE BAR IS BENDING OMG

As much as I love weighted calisthenics, it should be common knowledge to take weightlifting advice from people who, you know, lift weights and is good at them.

Z-press is way harder on the core than standing and limits how much one can lift. If you want a stable press setup you want to sit on a bench with backrest. Alphadestiny have also done videos on that. Actually I guess the best way to isolate the shoulders and lift the highest weight safely is a machine press 🤔

Hey Alec! I like your Chanel! Watched lots of your video all of them great! Can you make some video about power development or how to program training for power ?

If you have to choose one push press beats ohp every time

Fuck yeah dude, rocking the salmon 🤌

How good would a push press up and then slow as possible eccentrics be for hypertrophy

I would love to know your management techniques for your spondy, I was unaware you suffered from that condition

Great points made here man! I've seen fitness Faqs videos a lot but idk wtf he did here😂 he really is talking shit here and is not giving a proper breakdown of the purpose of each exercises and the use case for each one, he just dismissed standing ohp kus it "has problems and adds leg stress" 😂

Guess we'll never see Fitness Fax's guy do a log press........

What are the advantages of neutral grip Over Head Press vs Regular?

Maybe we should ask if he ever do max effort on z press

I do like Fitness Faqs but he has some weird ideas about leg training. His BBR program recommends not training legs and if you do only doing so once a week. I did that program and trained legs twice a week and lived to tell the tale.

Anyone who doesn’t understand a push press, than the the jerk is not even close to comprehensible for so much further away from understanding press related exercises. By observation, the seated press has been more exemplified as risk of injury as well

So, what are your thoughts on the Trap Bar Z Press?

Been watching you along time but haven’t seen you on YT in awhile what happened to the classic black beanie!?

i like Daniel, he is a great calisthenics athlete but err, I think he should stay on his lane lol.

Behind the neck press ftw (if your shoulders allow for it). Somewhat disappointed by ffaqs.

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Coming from someone who religiously follows both of you (and is even running his Body By Rings program!) I gotta say the reel was in poor taste. Even assuming he was unaware of the push press potshot, I should hope he has colleagues around him that are marginally qualified to give lifting advice that wouldn’t be detrimental to his audience. In his defence though, I’m sure he recognizes that there’s value and suitable applications to both training modalities (hence his “Hybrid” program). This is likely more personal anecdote than anything else. But if the education just isn’t there, you should probably just stay in your lane. Just because you have a strong opinion on an exercise doesn’t mean you should tell people to blindly dismiss it when you clearly don’t understand it or know how to perform correctly.

I like z press, but you'll get more gains overall from a strict press with layback. It's just easier to grind reps. Silly calisthenics guy.

Idk why he didn't at least tag you lol

i Respect FitnessFAQ's , but i HATE these type of views of "This exercise better" ! . no man , there's application for each : (Standing , Seated , Z , back supported , non back supported , DB , Leg Drive) OHP ! u can't just disregard any of them saying one is better .. each has it's own Pro's and Cons ! it's the same as going to some Oly lifters doing Jerks saying : u guys are ego lifting ugh stop using your legs ! ___________ for me these types of videos is just surface level lack of nuance at best , Click bait and misleading at worse . __________ and if the Standing OHP fatigues the Legs .. then what Z press is ? lol it has a lot of mobility requirements compared to normal Ohp .. Also the Stability aspect could make it inferior for Hypertrophy if we go this route of arguments .

what you weigh right now?

Post-gym algo 😎

I'm just an amateur gym rat and I know the difference between a push press and a strict press. Get it together FitnessFAQS. Try watching Alec Enkiri's videos, you'll learn a lot from them

Kinda disappointed in FitnessFAQs with this one. I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of his stuff (and never on Instagram, which from my, again limited exposure has more gen pop lifting content) but what I have seen is legit. Strange how those with big followings always paint standard basic lifts as injurious 🤔

Ya z press very odd way to train the OHP

i missed you

He probably was I'm a big celebrity and now lots of people and who Alec is?? Some guy with just 35k subs Btw you should see how he squats by doing quarter squats because of knees...

savagely strict 🤣also, almost NONE of the general population can physically get into a position to do a Z press...

Calisthenics guy shouldn't lecture about barbell training.Period

Yeah this video was a miss from him. Instead of a z press (if i am not allowed to do a standing one) i would do a sitting one on a bench

This was extremely unfair of him to paint you as someone who doesn't know what he's doing. I hope he's since reached out but going on your latest push press video I don't think that's happened. Very disappointed in FitnessFAQ. When the bigger channel mess up they have an obligation to correct things and say they made a mistake. Then again, maybe it's because they're bigger they won't a la Athlean X. Very very disappointing.

This pisses me off also

I gotta get my mobility up. I am wanting to add front squats and push press to my workouts. I just can't seem to get it though 😞 I kind of miss the argument videos tbh.

Can the Push Press still build muscle if I substitute that for the strict press for a couple months. Also, if ai focus on that, will I loose strength on the strict press?