The invisibility spell was good for exactly one thing, and that was this one sentence from an official FAQ regarding Kharn the Betrayer: "Kharn doesn't need to see you to hate you."

I had a dream once where every unit had an ammunition amount and when they ran out your unit couldn't use any ranged attacks, it looked horrendous to play for most armies

What about a video where you review all ten past editions in brief and discuss the pros and cons of each?

Eldar getting to re-roll a re-roll...

Need an episode of "Rules we all miss"

I'd just like to add the old Necron Phase Out rule where if >3/4 of the Necron army is taken out then it's an auto-loss. Fun and fluffy to an extent but also quite frustrating.

Armor of Contempt as a blanket rule. It was a lazy band aid rule to get around the fact that high AP was basically making Marines less effective than they should have been.

My problem with no wargear costs (and paying by unit for PL rather than by model), is that in 9th I took the units I wanted then made the list 2000 points. In 10th I have to take units that add up to 2000 points. Not to mentioned weapon balancing in a unit.

Needing like 5 FAQs and several other documents that made it so difficult to look up one bloody rule... oh wait that is a thing again!

And then, on the opposite side of the spectrum, we have Combi Weapons… Cmon 40K rules team! The HH stuff is RIGHT THERE!

I miss the armour profiles from 7th and earlier editions, now tanks feel just like big monsters, no weakpoints on the rear

9th edition had invulnerable saves and weapons/attacks that ignores invulnerable saves. Then you had invuln saves that ignores the ignoring of invuln saves…

Glancing hits only on skimmers that moved 12+". Then Eldar forced to roll 2d6 and take the lowest, meaning it took double 6s to kill an Eldar vehicle.

I'm glad the rule to only take 3 damage in a phase is gone

On the Seize the Initiative... I remember a game at Las Vegas Open, I won the roll to go first, deployed semi-aggressively and ready to move to some objectives. My opponent deployed every single unit on his deployment edge against no-man's. My ranged units would have a turkey shoot. He then said "if I roll a 6 and seize, it's a game. If I don't, I concede and we'll grab a beer". He rolled a 6.

Leader units being unable to join squads was fucking stupid.

As someone who got into 40K at the tail end of 9th, I am SO grateful for GW cutting down the amount of available stratagems. Having some 20 odd per army was too much to keep track of.

This is a small thing that I'm glad they changed. Re-rolling an individual charge/psychic die. Having to re-roll the whole charge is much more fair. R.I.P psychic phase

Everything about the Doom of Malan'tai back in 5th edition. A weapon with strength based on the model's strength, which could go up or down based on its wound count. Then an aura that caused damage based on a leadership check, which restored wounds beyond starting. Each of those was an interesting enough rule and combined it made for a very thematic monster that ate souls and used them to fuel its psychic powers: -Ranged weapon based on the equipped model's strength -Strength based on remaining wounds on a 1:1 -ability to heal beyond starting wounds Not all amazing or even good, but fun and thematic. Also, deepstrike mishap.

I don't think people would complain about free wargear if things like chainswords and bolt pistols were slightly better on characters. Give it an extra pip of AP or double attacks. The math just never worked out for what they were going for. Still MASSIVELY better imo, but some extra cheaper enhancements to help get the last 5-15 points would go a very long way.

I absolutely miss Initiative in Melee. I hate this current crap they call "fight phase"

I remember when overwatch was free and you didnt have a limit on how many times you could use it. Made Tau so unfun to play against

I love being able to walk over your own models. Was a pain that a character had to walk around a squad its supporting in order to charge!

I miss the idea of weapon amd armor facings, but not the reality of playing it. The conflict between versimilitude and functionality as a game is always rough. Holy hell did kill points suck.

I want templates back, Armies shouldn't be huddled up behind cover. Also precision should allow you to assign attacks to specific models not just characters.

I still remember playing Orks vs Space Marines in SECOND edition (Yeah, I am old, thanks), my opponent getting the ‘virus outbreak’ guard, and tabling my army before a shot was even fired.

2E: Scatter dice. Sustained fire dice that rendered assault cannons etc. unusable. Blast templates that made frag missiles likely to do less damage to a mob of gretchin than a krak missile (and as missile launchers were the same cost as lascannons, just take lascannons). Unique armour penetration values for front/side/rear of every vehicle AND unique damage tables for every vehicle all of which needed d4, d6, d8, d10, d12, and d20s. Rolling terminator saves (and eavy armoured nobs) individually on 2d6. 90pt Lictors that could only be shot if they were in initiative range and you were using a template weapon and you rolled 4+ and you also hit it and wounded it and it failed it's 4+ invulnerable save and you caused enough wounds.

I remember some bad ones. 5th edition you had to select your target for a unit to shoot at before you could measure to see if it was in range. So many times you found out you were an inch outside and couldn’t fire at the target. Also you were not allowed to change the target to something within range, your unit just missed for that turn. Another rule was that it use to be that you could not split fire. If you wanted to fire you heavy weapon in the tactical squad at something far away, the rest of your guys in the unit just stood there and did nothing. 6th edition Mysterious terrain and objectives was a real pain having to constantly try to remember what special rule every objective and terrain piece had which slowed the game way down. 6th edition also had terrible rules when it came to flying creatures. A creature with flying could announce they were flying and unless you fired with anti air specific weapons you could only hit the creature on a 6. This was really a problem because the creature was allowed to land and assault in the same turn which basically made them make it to close combat with no damage once so ever. I remember daemon armies doing this with 3 greater demons with wings and 3 demon princes with wings flying at your units without getting touched.

One thing that annoys me with the current points system is that it's basically just the Power Level from 8th, and 9th editions, forcing you to take either the minimum or the maximum amount of models per unit, with a few exceptions. What if I wanted, for example, a Tyranid Warrior brood of 4 Warriors? I'd have to pay for 6 Warriors and waste the points for the last 2 Warriors. Seize the initiative was annoying AF to deal with, good riddance to a dumb mechanic. So were the Deathstar units. Captain Smash[bleep]er and friends comes to mind for the Space Marines, as an example of something that was a pain to deal with. And a thing I am glad is long gone is the whole "teleporting/deep striking units MUST fit under the 5 inch blast marker, any model who's base is just a tiny bit outside is auto-killed"

I miss templates - I know most hate it, but indirect fire was balanced with scattering

Credit to GW - there’s always an old rule that makes you think the new rules aren’t THAT bad…

I miss wargear options and paying per model

I miss actual points, I also miss the old weapon skill. Made sense to me that a Space Marine captain would have an easy time slashing a guardsman, and a tough time with a Hive Tyrant.

Overwatch in 8th when it was free. My god that was annoying! Trying to kill a squad of hellblasters on the charge with anything was a nightmare!

Might be a hot take, but I don't miss blast templates. They're cool thematically, but they slowed the game down too much and was a headache when competitive players would dispute the results and end up taking even more time. Plus it was another set of kit you'd have to collect and take with you. I kinda feel the same about armour facing rules, but I do kind of miss having weak points to go for. Armor facing rules could also limit vehicle designs/shapes too.

I remember back in the day with nids, where if they were out of synapse range some units would effectively become feral and wander off, being a complete pain to keep track of

Don't forget about falling back. As late as 7th edition, if your unit took too much damage and then failed a leadership check, you would have to fall back towards your board edge 2d6", or 3d6" for some units like bikes, jump packs, etc. If they ran off the board, they were instantly dead. Not only did this take away control of your units, but it may create a scenario where you deploy something near enough to your board edge and they get shot turn one for just enough damage to cause this to happen, and you lose a ton of value without any recourse. You only needed to lose 25% of your unit in order to force a leadership check, so you could lose 3 out of 10 marines and have them run away and die instantly.

I don't even play Warhammer but it doesn't take any wargaming table top knowledge to predict how terrible of an Idea a 2+ saving throw would be

I am glad that we no longer have "AP 5/4/3, Ignores Cover, Blast/Teardrop" weapons that allow a player to instantly wipe out all of their enemy's infantry while barely rolling any dice. Flamers have been largely underwhelming since 8th though, they ought to have something like the blast rule to make them stronger against infantry hordes.

I miss the way psychic powers worked in 5th with the cards; getting to choose which powers your psychers had. Good times.

Whenever i think of how the game was played in 7th Edition, i get sea sick. im extremely happy that the game will not go back to that state of play, it was soooo bad.

Anyone else remember target priority from 4th edition?

This game is starting to feel a lot like Warmachine/Hordes with how you pick "leader" models and units with fixed unit sizes and effectively fixed loadouts. Warmahordes was fun but list building was barely even part of the game because of how competitive it was.

I don't personally agree with how Obscuring is better but I think that's an issue with how the game is designed. Most terrain pieces only serve to stand behind, and few actually like entering the ruins as it's much better to never get hit insetad of a cover bonus. This destroyed a lot ot thematic map building.

Automatic death if you were wounded by a weapon with strength 2x your toughness. Yeah I hated that one...nothing like seeing your HQ getting nuked by a lascannon or bright lance turn 1.

There are rules I'd like to see come back. They'd slow the game down a little, but I'm not a routine competitive player. Old AP, templates, facings for weapons and toughness (I'm okay with not bringing back armor values), Initiative as a stat, old cover saves, a psychic phase, and having certain weapons unable to harm anything with a toughness above a certain relative value (S*2+2 as max?). Certain factions should be tweaked as well, but those tweaks need to wait until a rules update happens.

Yo though I was playing Daemons in the Leviathan 10th crusade and the mission was "There are 6 objectives on the board everywhere except in the Daemon deployment zone. No one can deep strike withing like 12 inches of an objective." Which basically nullified my entire army rules wholesale. Also you destroyed the objectives instead of stealing them, so no shadow. Auto lose missions are still around.

I agree with all points but I do have fond memories of seize the initiative in 7th edition

I kinda miss tank facing. And turret/side guns facing. But I understand why it’s gone

The Alliance Table

Should do one on "rules that are dearly missed", like vehicle armour, initiative, WS/BS tables, full unit characteristics and more amusing "fun" rules for some weapons that aren't just" do mortal wounds".

I wish they make the shooting phase happen at the same time. Example I shoot my unit and the opponent shoot theirs... and after that we each remove casualties

I'd like to see Mortal Wounds gone, or more restricted: they bypass the core game mechanics, and mean that strength, toughness or saves mean nothing. Therefore, spamming them is the most effective strategy in 8th/9th.

Points in 8th was a fucken sewer.

Fearless units taking more wounds after combat. It was a great way to make playing Deathwing even harder than it normally was.

I misunderstood the thumbnail and I thought you hated blast templates and I honestly got a little upset before I realized.

That null field is back in Crusade. One of the Pariah Nexus Crusade missions. My daemon playing mate hated it even though he won our game.

Only thing I miss is armour value and wargear options

That null field sounds kind of fun. It'd be interesting to have a game type just built out of weird things. Like capturing specific objectives causes things to happen other than just getting points.

From just a viewing standpoint, I'm glad "Only Take X Wounds In A Phase" rules are gone.

I only got into warhammer at the end of ninth. hearing what rules were like in previous editions is quite interesting.

Having a to roll to see if your army ended up as death company it was time consuming and it made planing lists absolutely dog-water

Necrons with the phase out at 75% models...

Oh this is gonna be a fun nostalgia trip. 😅

My father always told me tails how an ork scrap titan shot directly and still needed a metal ball to see if he hits the target ir not. If it hit a titan it 0ed its void shield and 1 shot its leg thus the titan fell over and got destroyed. Other thing was scatter and how deathstrike missile had 3 warheads each for different situations. Barage warhead which we have now, warping, being able to bypass voidshields and detonate behind it, but moving random distances cause its moving through the warp, and some actually 1 shot warhead.

I absolutely, vehemently hated Sweeping Advance and Challenge rules. Many old rules I wish came back but two two especially can F off. I'll never forget the time in 6th where a 6man strong bikernob force somehow completely whiffed to kill a single tactical marine, said tactical did 1 damage to me, he won the fight, I lose the roll, he removes my entire biker squad. This is not an exaggeration, this happened to me. Lot of other bs times too but this was the worst offender of sweeping advance massively swinging the game

5th Edition wound allocation shenanigans made Ork Nobs almost unkillable. The allies rules allowing almost unbeatable lists like Taudar. Templates should have been fine, but a lot of players are too gamey. I wish they brought back rules allowing more fluffy armies, like Decent of Angels or maybe Ork Warbikers as troops ( I know troops aren’t a thing but you know what I mean…)

The old Hazardous Ground was miserable. Friend of mine for three games straight would have their tank crippled first turn for the whole game 😂. Deep Strike mishaps were also randomly punishing. Could lose a whole squad of terminators just because of RNG and be out a good chunk of points. The feels-bad 'flavor' rules of 7th was a time left better as history.

If we're talking about any old rule, being able to roll multiple dice for saves, Turn Radius Ratio for vehicles, the limitations on vehicles firing weapons if they moved, Every model moves six inches, the Initiative mechanic, the small blast template (Side note, if you didn't have to center them on specific models, the blast templates would have been great), the old weird rules for wound distribution that made nobs basically immortal, the old rules for selecting which models were removed from a squad when they died that weren't 'Person whose squad it is picks', most of the unit spawning mechanics, snap shots (basically various things that made you only hit on 6), most of the old untargetable mechanics, any of the 'can only take X wounds per phase' mechanics, and the original way the League's of Voultan worked. 40k is a great game with a long life that has had a lot of utterly deal breakingly bad rules in the past.

Definitely don’t miss transhuman-type rules

11:30 oh, man... the Scarab Occult formation in Wrath of Magnus! 45 Terminators with a 1 in 36 chance of killing them if they get a save. Not massively fun for either player.

Your dream was called rogue trader, there were rules for everything even ammo checks, later there was the ammo check in Necromunda

Seize the Initiative is hilarious. I will never forget stealing the intiative against my opponents death star.

Wargear costs should make a comeback. Also warlord traits.

Imperial guard + kill point = sure defeat 😝

My personal picks: - close combat win = enemy unit completely wiped out - this basically killed off tarpit units, like conscripts for a good while - vehicles getting insanely easily tied in close combat, unable to do anything - was a plague for plenty of editions - measuring distances, like charges and range from any point of the model instead of the base - allowing some hilarious model for advantage shenanigans - one of the iterations of rules protecting character models - that does not allow shooting the character if he is not the closest model, even if no other model is in line of sight - vehicles can shoot all their weapons, regardless of angle and facing - I can't stop imagining Malcador Defender tank making a 360 spin every bloody round.

I always felt like I was cheating with the old guess weapon / artillery rules from 3rd ed 40k & 5th / 6th Warhammer. I was one of the people who could guess the distances between models with very good accuracy (I still can 😅), let alone with knowledge like my opponent deploying a unit on the deployment line (usually 24" between deployment zones) and moved that target unit x" each turn.

Dont forget about using torrent weapons against transports with open tops to just roast the dudes inside before they get to do anything. Thanks 6th and 7th....

In the old days, Terrain was meant to have a Datasheet to go along with it. The offical rules gave permission for these sheets to be created, as most terrain wasn't offical products. Needless to say, all the problems created within the Core Ruleset (such as the lack of movement instructions) could be corrected by utilizing this little known Rule. So many Terrain Designers would grant some sort of Cover Save when it comes to sniping a model out of a window.

I am glad they got rid of the Instant Kill rule, as it made T3 armies even more vulnerable than they already were.

one thing about 8th ed terrain is that it meant having mountains and other stuff were actually relevant for making a battlefield, i miss impassable terrain in general for comp

I started playing in late 9th. If GW would have made me pay for not just models, paints and codexes but also BALACE PATCHES! I would have never bothered playing 😂

'Multiple special close combat weapons', a rule that multiple codex writers ignored.

The Rule that I always hated, that never once worked for me was the normal units taken wounds for special characters. It was so obnoxious to have one super high durability unit up front tanking everything with 2+ save and feel no pain and whenever a wound came through that had instakill, destroyer or otherwise gauarnteed damage they could just give that to the cheap chaff next to them

I'm going back a long way, and faction-specific, but the RT-era Infinite Bloodthirster is one I'm really glad no longer exists (any model with a daemon weapon could, on it's turn, deliberately release the daemon bound inside. The newly unbound daemon came with the base weaponry and equipment for its type, which for most daemons at the time wasn't too overpowered. Bloodthirsters of Khorne, however, always carried an axe with a bloodthirster bound into it. The only limitations were the number of Bloodthirster models you had access to [or number of proxies your opponent would let you get away with], and the number of turns in the game. Well, that and the reaction table for unbound daemons, which could have the newly-freed greater daemon fighting on your side, the enemy's, neither, or just upping and leaving). There was also the OG Daemon Bomb from the same era (if a flyer slowed below it's minimum flying speed, it crashed, doing d4 wounds per level of altitude to itself and whatever unit it landed on [plus the falling unit's toughness, minus the toughness of whatever it landed on]. You could fly up to the +40 level [or theoretically even higher] and then deliberately crash, doing 5d4 damage. Oh, and Greater Daemons were immune to non-magical/non-psychic damage, including falling damage. And are now effectively in combat with whatever hapless unit they've landed on). Sure, crashing units were subject to d12" scatter, but when it worked... Wow, those were terrifying, and it's a really good thing they're gone.

You know what I would like? Psychic powers for Khorne. BUT with the twist being that none of them directly harm the enemy (some powers would at worst dispel your opponent’s own debuffs of your forces), with the exception of enemy psykers. They would mostly focus on buffing your own forces and managing affairs that aren’t MAIM KILL BURN, so that a maximum amount of time is dedicated towards adding more skulls to the throne. Some powers would include: *_Bloodthirst:_*_ Units under the effects of this power draw vitality from the carnage and violence around them, regaining health and stamina as the battle reaches its climax._ *_Sword Logic:_*_ Units under the effects of this power draw strength from the dying breath of those they murder, becoming faster, stronger and more vicious with each life they end. Ranged attackers CAN benefit from this power, but Melee kills draw much greater power from the lives they end._ *_Feeding Frenzy:_*_ Allied and Enemy woundings and especially deaths alike around the caster empower their psychic might, making the next psychic power or Daemon Summoning they attempt to cast easier to pull off, increase their casting range AND grow more potent. The larger the massacre, and the more worthy the fallen, the more potent the effect becomes._ *_Blood In The Water:_*_ Casting this power on a wounded enemy unit marked them for death, and grants bonuses to all allied units moving in to engage them. Your forces move faster towards them, your ranged attacks are more accurate against them, your durability and stamina increase the closer you get to them, and your melee attacks become more powerful, powerful and outright feral once the time to engage them in CQC comes._ And so on and so forth…

As someone who started in Arks of Omen, dear God. How was 40K a playable game before 9e?

As a recently returned player from 3rd to 5th ed alot has changed. But the way vehicles work now, with Wounds and Toughness instead of Armourvalue and a d6 on two different tables to see what happens... Still have nightmares about a game where my landraider and venerable dreadnaught (both in cover) got exploded turn 1 by a few lascannon shots 😅

definitely glad seize the initiative got the boot

Eldar fliers getting a casual -4 to hit

I remember I had a game in 7th ed, where for a friendly game dude brought 4 demon princes (one for each god) and of course rolled for telekinesis discipline on 3 of them. He of course got invisibility for two of them, and proceeded to trash me with two invisible princes just going through my entire army

i miss when synapse existed i miss when psychers existed i miss when strategy existed

Blast and flamer templates. Arguing whether or not a guy counted as underneath the template was so frustrating.

The debuff stacking was also quite atrocious (Aeldari planes lists, we don't forget you)

I dont miss blast templates, even as a guard artillery player in 5th edition. The amount of parallax errors that would occur for any number of reasons, arguments over where it scatters to, people rolling the scatter die miles from their target

Things we miss: The master statline page from 3rd-7th

Those points sections were really complicated at times and very confusing to try to navigate through if you didn't know what you were doing. Honestly glad it's been simplified. In the third edition you could add mutations (e.g. +1S) to some of your tyranids. So for example you had the gaunt stat line on one page, weapons on second, mutations on third and a table showing what mutations would change the force organisation type on the fourth.

Randomly rolling for psychic powers is something that I'm glad to see gone. I recall lots of power gamers would try to squeeze as many psykers into their lists just so they can fish out that one powerful and/or broken spell for their death star unit.

I’d love to see your review of the THREE books that came with the Second Edition boxed set, then throw in Dark Millennium for flavor.

I really wish it would go to alternating unit activations, more tactical and less destroy as much as possible before my opponent