I sure hope you are right bc I am here trying to figure out how to manage my independent, smart thinker so I can be safer. So glad I found these vids that show me to slow down and NOT TAKE IT PERSONAL :)

@@Inca1122 the slow down and not taking it personal are biggies for sure. Every now and then I get a horse that's not great with me. I'll try different things to adjust. However, if I just can't get things to work, I'll take the horse to the 70 year old trainer that's forgotten more than I'll ever know. It's always helpful to tap wisdom, but be sure it is wisdom. As you know every rail jockey has an opinion. Then we figure it out. 95% of the time it's me and I eat another slice of humble pie lol. On very rare occasions, it's that the horse is inbred with a screw loose. It does happen unfortunately. So if you have access to someone with a wealth of real knowledge and experience, take advantage of that. I would pay my friend but he won't let me. But he will take money as a donation to his church. A few years ago, one of my horses was always trying to turn or veer to the left when I wasn't asking. Frustrating! Then I realized every horse I rode was doing it. Yep it was me lol. Good luck! Your willing attitude to listen to your horse and set your ego aside is golden ❤️

@@tracyjohnson5023 thank u for replying. I am more of a greener rider with a horse that is very smart so i have been working at trying to find what works best and for sure i have NO problem admitting that 99.9% of the time it’s me. I wish i had someone to learn from where i am but unfortunately i don’t so i’m trying to grasp what i can online. I’m so green that i didnt know what a “brace” was until Pat explained it so clearly here. And oh, like you, my current issue is my horse wants to go the opposite direction when i’m in saddle. I have a mustang which by all accounts was more horse than i was needing but it’s 4 years now and we’ve made progress but not a ton bc of lack of training but i will keep doing my best for him. I think he knows that but Lord does he try me.

So many working partners have been made pets. It’s unfair to expect them to not misbehave and manifest frustration. Even the animals know they’re here to work not just exist. Just look at young men now…same thing, too much leisure time leads to trouble.

Howdy! I’m in East Tennessee as well. Glad to see a neighbor here. 😁 Do y’all still work with horses?

@@justravyn5307 yes we do just not as many as we did when younger lol.

@@tracyjohnson5023 I’m wanting to get back into working with horses again now that my son is grown and I would love to chat with you if that’s ok. Can I give you my email or phone number? I’ll try to not talk your ear off lol

Terry dang I'm sorry you had to give up riding. Have you thought of a saddle adaptation and a smooth gaited horse with a tall mounting block or a cart horse to drive? You probably thought of it all so I definitely don't want to seem rude.

Tracy Johnson, thank you so much for your kind concerns!!!! It really touches my heart to have someone respond as you have!!!! Yes, I have thought of many different ideas. However, like Pat, I like a spirited horse and I’m so busted up, I would have to have a step built to get me high enough to where my feet were even with the stirrups to even get on a horse. Those places are few and far between in the mountains where I like to ride. Plus, I could only mount from the right side and in the mountains, you have to be able to mount from either side sometimes. I could never hike or walk out if I had to. There’s just too many obstacles for me. If it was just the loss of my leg, I’d still have my horses and be riding. My only foot is mangled badly and has a bone that keeps trying to come out of the ball of the foot. If it gets infected, I could be a double leg amputee. My knee is in bad shape, as I had to have the ACL reconstructed. I’ve worn out both my shoulders by falling on my crutches. My right one has been reconstructed and now, my left shoulder is in bad shape. I can’t lift my arm straight out to my side. I’m pretty sure it needs reconstruction. That is the most painful surgery I’ve had! I have neuropathy and nerve pain so bad, they had to implant a Spinal Cord Stimulator. If I didn’t have that and my Gabapentin, I would have ended my life long ago. My stomach now has my third hiatal hernia, where the stomach goes up through the diaphragm and into the lung area. The VA has me scheduled with the University of Utah to have a Gastric Bypass operation to fix it for good on March 6th. My foot surgery and shoulder surgery will have to come after my stomach. I’ve waited a year and a half for the stomach operation. I have to sit upright in my bed to sleep and I get two to three hours of sleep a night. I’ve been doing that for 16 months now. Yeah, if I were a horse, they would have led me down to bottom of the pasture and shot me years ago. Some days, I think I’d prefer that option, but then I take my meds and get ready for another day. Don’t get me wrong. Even with all my ailments, I still manage to have more fun than a lot of people!!!! All I have to do is go down the halls of the Salt Lake VA Hospital to see a lot of guys worse off than I am. So I know I am blessed to have what I have!!! I miss my horses terribly, but I had to give that part of my life up, until I’m on the other side. I’m sure I will have horses in Heaven!!!! So, I’m just taking a break from them now. Thank you again for your kind concerns and your suggestions are well taken!!! May the Lord bless you and yours with all the success and happiness your saddle bags can carry!!!! Have all the fun you want…. I will go make some more!!!!

@@terrythornock6468 Thank you for your service and may God give you blessings daily to get through the day.

This horse has already been roped. But in the future, Chris might practice his head shots on Pie.

Hello how are you doing?

You have to be true to yourself. By stopping, are you copping out and not hanging in there and teaching the horse that all he has to do is wait you out and you'll quit? Or are you stopping at a point to allow the horse to process what you are asking and picking up the next day?

Pat doesn't understand how mules think so he can't answer your question.

40-45 feet diameter

@@PatnDebPuckett thanks so much.

You should be able to send him away and draw him to you going both directions. If you can do that and the horse comes to you centered in both eyes, you’re good!

There is no fear in this horse. And you should take the word Stubbornness out of your vocabulary when it comes to working with horses. This horse is simply doing what he thinks he has to do. What you’re watching is the horse holding on to his desire to maintain his role as the leader. Rather than choosing to follow the human. He is saying I will go this far but no farther. Also, this horse is extremely intelligent which is a good thing once he agrees to work for the human. Keep in mind that this horse is being ridden in between round pen sessions. He’s not dangerous, not trying to buck off his rider, or run through the bridle. His owner is trying to fix their relationship before things go too far. And that is commendable.

@@PatnDebPuckett Thank you for your quick and clear response to my question. This was helpful.

No you have to come from less pressure not more. More is too aggressive and predatory. It has to be their decision. They do not learn through fear but through understanding who leads and who follows.

Pat only talks when he’s making a video so that viewers can understand what he is thinking.

@@PatnDebPuckett It was intended as a joke. I have much respect for what he does and his desire to share it so generously. Pats patience is as valuable a a lesson as the skills he teaches We don’t need to buy a carrot or a stick or a string.

I don’t “cue hate” but I will offer an explanation. We respond to what the horse gives us. This particular horse on this particular day required a loud response. I would recommend you watch more of our videos especially those in our playlist titled Chinaco before you judge our methods.

A frightened horse doesn't have his tail out. He will clamp it down. This is just one thing in this video that you misinterpreted. Perhaps you would like to ask a specific question about a specific part of the video rather than making a negative comment. Then we could have a meaningful discussion. Or perhaps you would post a video showing us how you work with your own horses? Talk is cheap on a keyboard.

@@PatnDebPuckett a frightened horse does have it's tail up as, it called ready for flight. No I don't need critique as I know better. Work on connection before you start sending a horse away, otherwise you have a scared horse whose attention is somewhere else because he doesn't see you as safety.

Calm down lassie. You’re sounding like a know it all who thought they just witnessed a crime. Hilarious. This guy has more years doing this than about 99% of people that have touched a horse. But hey, stay passionate… I guess.

First I’ll address the length of the complete session. I edited out around 5 minutes of video in total mostly due to my fingers being in the frame even more than the footage I left in. Having my shoulder in a sling at the same time as my gimbal finally wearing out affected my ability to hold my phone comfortably. Second, this horse is not an easy horse. He’s wildly intelligent. He is always thinking. I’m sure that a less complex horse would have followed the script you had in mind but Pie marches to his own drummer. It’s one of the reasons he’s such a great ranch horse. Give him a hard job every day and he is on it. And finally, it’s very easy to ride a bull from a barstool. You cannot see the angles that Pat was using or feel the energy he was extending toward the horse from a simple video shot by a one armed woman. Pat is a consummate horseman and he chooses to share that wisdom and experience with the public because he believes that when one has a gift, it should be shared. I would encourage you to adopt an attitude when watching a great horsemen when you see something you don’t think is right to ask a question rather than assuming you know what should or should not have happened. You are watching something from your perspective and don’t understand it.

@@ToolFan68 I have seen a lot of people who are blinded by their own experience, especially as they age - because "it has been so many years you don't dare tell me what to do!!". And the world has moved on long ago. Despite of how you allow yourself to formulate your arguments, I will stay open-minded and critical and will know when to switch to another horseman's channel - you may stay in the fanclub. Ciao.

@@PatnDebPuckett thank you for your reply. I'll ask a question: why even when Pat removed the flag completely, the horse, who was already following but presumably only afraid of the flag, still took more than 20min and a complete restart? Could it be that Pat betrayed the horse? Because that's how it looks like from my perspective.

I more or less agree with this. The horse was willingly following Pat just before the 6 minute mark. I might have called that a day right then. For the rest of the video, what I see is a horse wanting to keep Pat from getting behind it. That, to me is why it spins around on the front feet. Also, when Pat goes up and touches the horse, and then walks away, the horse moves off without any direct pressure. That tells me the horse is not comfortable, at all. Anyway, that's what I see.