Fixing D&D's Magic Item Pricing

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D&D 5e's magic item pricing has always annoyed me, so I thought it was finally time to do something to fix it!
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00:00 Intro
00:39 Design Intention
03:24 The Journey Begins
06:57 Methodology
08:33 Curses & Attunement
10:18 Putting it all Together
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@IcarusGames 2 ай бұрын

Do you have your own way of pricing magic items in D&D? I want to hear about it! And don't forget to check out today's sponsor, Domille's Wondrous Works: bit.ly/3x0tln6 Grab a free sample pack of DWW maps here: mab.to/t/byu7ZmjH4WX/us2

@helixxharpell 2 ай бұрын

Glad I subscribed to your channel! 😃You've got some great ideas that are well grounded in logic and your presentation is strong! Very non-pretentious and I find that refreshing. Some youtubers don't come across as genuine. At some point I'd like to work with you on fleshing out this system. I have some ideas I'd like to share. Do you do google meet? Will be putting you on my patreon list btw. Thanks for your efforts! Steve C. Design Lead, Khor The World Of Many Portals Kickstarter, 2025.

@NotATraveller 2 ай бұрын

Great video. Greater hair.

@matthewhughes1950 2 ай бұрын

Great video mate. The other big one is artificers and if you allow players to get resources and magical ingredients.

@projectfantasy1385 2 ай бұрын

Very good recommendations, thanks 😊

@RikkardTRE Ай бұрын

I use logic to price everything. That's It. Of course that means knowing exactly what materials and distribution factors and processes go into the construction of everything. It means factoring in rarity of components in a given locale, the degree of elite status of its architect, mass-producibility, number of middle-men mark-ups... I know that sounds complicated but it isn't done one item at a time. It's all leveraged in a relational database. A lot of research went into it but that's how I roll. I've been DM-ing for 43 years. It's been a labor of love. Everything in my campaign worlds are deeply entrenched like this and the results are extremely immersive for myself and the players. P.S.: Just discovered this channel! Love it! Subscribed!

@shadesofgray9 Ай бұрын

One of the other issues is where two items have the same effect but come in a different form and rarity. Headband and ring

@raff3486 2 ай бұрын

Great video! I'll have to save money for the latest magazine!

@jltheking3 2 ай бұрын

Great vid. I’d love to give this table a whirl in any future 5e game I run. Don’t think I will anytime soon though. There are too many new RPGs out there right now and they’re all so exciting! Maybe one day.

@IcarusGames 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely fair! What system are you most excited to try out next?

@jltheking3 2 ай бұрын

@@IcarusGames Currently still playing through my D&D 4e game, but looking forward to Daggerheart and MCDM RPG when that drops! I’m also eagerly waiting for Starfinder 2e as that’s going to be a great change of pace setting-wise for my table!

@miguelsuarez-solis5027 2 ай бұрын

Interesting i actually lower the price if they require attunement... since you can only do 3

@IcarusGames 2 ай бұрын

I can see the logic in that too! I went with increasing the price because for a lot of the attuned items (not all though, for sure) they can do multiple things or have power beyond what you'd expect.

@jltheking3 2 ай бұрын

Surprised to see that you were leaving PF2, but after reading your blog post, I definitely empathize everything you just said. I had my own journey with PF2, initially coming from 5e as I was so frustrated with it, and being amazed at all the modern innovations it had in terms of math and balance and player options. But yeah, it has a ton of bugbears - just as much as 5e did. The beauty with 5e is that it’s so loose that you can definitely still run a game with those bugbears, and homebrew or house rule stuff to fix the seams. But in PF2, you have to live with those bugbears. That martial caster disparity still exists in PF2, except casters suck because the spell slots system inherited from 3e sucked. And there’s just no way you can fix that, whether be it in PF2 or 5e because both use the same flawed spell slot system. And if you’re going to choose to play a broken system any way, why not pick the one that’s easier to run, and more fun? In any case I departed from PF2 too. I switched to D&D 4e, and I’m having a whale of a time. That system has its flaws and bugbears too, but I found it a nice middle ground where its flaws can be fixed because its math is loose just like 5e, and it was both fun and easy to run.

@IcarusGames 2 ай бұрын

If I was running a purely in-person campaign with my current group, I'd 100% have proposed 4e as our system when we moved away from PF2 because I've loved everything I've ever read on the system, but it just doesn't have the VTT support to make it worth it for me. Easier to keep with the most supported system in the world and keep taking the stuff I like from 4e to add to my game 😂

@projectfantasy1385 2 ай бұрын

May I ask your recommended prizes for very rare items if we take our players to a magocracy or to a special shop where they can purchase such items (a storm giant artificer or a dwarven master smith's workshop, etc)😊 Thanks in advance 😊

@dylanhyatt5705 2 ай бұрын

If you've gone back to D&D5e, highly recommend you give 4e a whirl.

@IcarusGames 2 ай бұрын

Pretty much the only reason I'm not playing 4e right now is that VTT support (specifically Foundry) isn't great. I'd be all over it otherwise. I've got all the 4e core books, and have enjoyed everything I've read in them.

@dylanhyatt5705 2 ай бұрын

@@IcarusGames Yes - the VTT options not great for 4e. Also, have looked at Kobold Press' iteration of D&D5e (Tales of the Valiant). Basically I am now stuck in a PF2e campaign (which is fun - prewritten adventure path) - but we do get bogged down in rules. Unfortunately one of my players loves hard-boiled rules. But I have decided, when I get back to writing my own adventures, it will not be Pathfinder (probably 4e or Tales of the Valiant). If you like a time paradox adventure, I can send you a free complimentary of my 'The Sunken Village of Little Corth' on the DM's Guild.

@miguelsuarez-solis5027 2 ай бұрын

I can still see very rare and even maybe legendary ocasionally be put up at auction. Some noble or adventurer selling their prized magic item

@IcarusGames 2 ай бұрын

Oh absolutely! But then you're looking at bespoke pricing and bidding, and there won't be anything even remotely resembling a "standard" price.

@ChaseRoycroft 21 күн бұрын

Using official RAW: 1. Spend 25 weeks and 50,000 gp to craft a scroll of true polymorph 2. True polymorph a flea into a 1 ton block of gold 3. Profit.

@IcarusGames 20 күн бұрын

Last campaign my group true polymorphed a cow into an apple tree made of diamond to give to a dragon in exchange for its support. Trying to figure out the economic implications of that, as well as how many of the diamond apples could be removed from the tree before it broke the spell was a headscratcher.

@ChaseRoycroft 20 күн бұрын

@@IcarusGames The economic implications are... the D&D economy makes no sense lol. Forgot to mention you can use Fabricate to gradually turn the block of gold into coins.

@NegatveSpace 2 ай бұрын

Dnd has been around for about 50 years and they can't figure out prices for magic items in their game's economy. Dividing it up by rarity is so lazy because I've been trying to do the same thing and there are some items which vary wildly in power in the same rarity. Besides, what about I think its the two gauntlets of strength that are in the same rarity but have different bonuses? I think I'll roll randomly and the one with the lower bonus came out on top!

@IcarusGames 2 ай бұрын

That's why I broke it down into a table which gives different prices depending on the item type, but also gives two prices depending on if it's "minor" or "major", so you don't have everything lumped into one price for a rarity.

@MrFinchx 2 ай бұрын

Just normal men😂

@Joshuazx 2 ай бұрын

0:01 "today we're going to fix the economy." I don't hear any principals of economics in this video. Your criteria for setting prices are based on arbitrary game design and game mechanics rather than concepts like the value of labor, scarcity of resources, and supply and demand. Your prices don't feel any more diegetic than the prices that the game designers set. Please rectify this false promise.

@IcarusGames 2 ай бұрын

You must be fun at parties 🤣

@Joshuazx 2 ай бұрын

@@IcarusGames That's actually the perfect response. My name is buzz killington.

@IcarusGames 2 ай бұрын

Now I'm just picturing a teen-slasher style horror film where the high school youths gather for a night of drinking and the terrifying buzz killington kicks down the door demanding to know whether they have considered the value of labor, scarcity of resources, and supply and demand. They beg for mercy, but buzz killington doesn't trade in pleas, only well-regulated currency backed by trusted financial institutions. The teens never stood a chance. . . [and yes, this is to be read with the cadence of Rob Cantor's "Shia LaBeouf"]

@Joshuazx 2 ай бұрын

@@IcarusGames I'm just trying to make a slasher-horror where the players can intuitively understand the value of a gp. 🤷‍♂