My bionic arms are far superior to the fleshy ones I had before.

Knyght Errant The flesh is weak!

Disappointed he decided to keep the skin though. Metal arms honestly look better.

Jet Black vibes

​@@nightreaver9749 the omnisiah is eternal!

Next difficulty level: Realizing that the past had really bad crafters, too.

Cannot agree more, never thought of the triangle cut in the gambeson, so instructive -as always-.

You're welcome! You may find this useful, this is the detailed entry on a 16th century mail sleeve in Wade Allen's collection. There is some good photography, and even one photo that shows all of the tailoring rings marked with little white twisty ties - www.allenantiques.com/M-15.html

I think that's a really good idea. When I have time I would very much like to revisit the fabric version of this. I just think it's a cool solution and I was disappointed I didn't get it to work the first time. I really wish there were better photos of the original so we could see the construction of the garment.

Yes, definitely. I wanted to get to spend some time _in_ it first so I could speak from a more informed place about how they function, but that's going to be coming up very soon.

Awesome! Can't wait to see it!

Knyght Errant I saw a glimpse of it elsewhere. What made you give into the demands 😏?

No pants? No problem.

Yes, I've played it a bit. I've mostly fooled around in the arena mode but haven't done much in the other mode. I like how they're handling the armor.

Thank you! So real quick, _klappvisor_ just refers to the hinge mechanism, so there are klappvisor bascinets with pointed houndskull style visors (like _Veste Coburg_ ), they just have the central hinge which is what makes them a klappvisor as opposed to side pivots. I know what you mean though, and it's important to recognize that the flatter klappvisor visors, while not conical like houndskulls are still very rounded and have compound curves on them, so they still offer a deflective surface. The other, and probably more important part to understand is that they likely 'evolved' (I kinda hate that term for historical objects, but it works ok here) from the _bretache_ (the nasal guard on some styles of bascinets that draws up the aventail and connects on the other side to a central point on the brow), so they took a very different path to their classical form than the traditional side-pivoting houndskull visor. When you view that form as starting out as a bretache and over time being converted into a more complete visor, it makes more sense why they arrived at the shape they did. It's also not so much that people are choosing one over the other, but more that different styles were more dominant in different regions of Europe, and with bretache style bascinets being very common in the HRE, the presence of the flatter klappvisor shapes later in time there makes more sense.

Thanks!

Besagews :) Yes, I've already got them and they will be in a future video along with the new cuirass and paunce of plates.

Sure you already looked it up by now, but just in case you haven't, they're called Besagues. :)

Thank you sir!

There is a lot of variation in medieval European mail. The only thing it _all_ has in common is that it's all riveted. Depending on the specific time period and region, you will see different ring configurations like round vs flat, or mixed round and flat, fully riveted vs demi-riveted (demi-riveted meaning that one row of riveted rings is alternated with a row of solid rings), round rivets vs wedge rivets. Materials used were iron, low carbon steels, medium carbon steels (sometimes hardened through quenching). Size varies from internal diameters of just a few mm up to 10 or 11mm depending on what it's used for etc., although the average seems to be closer to 5 or 6 mm internal diameter. The best way to make something authentically is to look at a lot of originals and then pick one that you'd like to base your garment off of. Hardened mail is hardened _after_ it's made, or you won't be able to bend and rivet the rings. Here is an album of some extant mail - www.pinterest.com/knyghterrant/extant-mail/ More data can be found on websites like the hosting Museums, sometimes they give ring size information. The Wallace Collection website has good info (Put 'mail shirt' in the search bar - wallacelive.wallacecollection.org/eMuseumPlus).

Yes, that is a huge problem too. This is one of the reasons I prefer to do living history in small groups where everyone is willing to adhere to a high level of standards. We give up the big large scale stuff, but for everything else it keeps me a lot more sane. :)

Aye, I'm in a small group and we require people to show historical basis for wathever they plan to buy or manufacture before they do; but that's a less than a year old meassure, and here we have a lot of small groups, each one with different standards... and more often than not when we call off people doing that, they never get told to put their act up or leave because they're friends before reenactors.

not every soldier would be rich.

That's not really what we're talking about. There's nothing wrong with re-enactors choosing to portray ordinary soldiers, in fact, that's something that's very under-represented in re-enactment as a whole and important to an overall accurate presentation. We're just talking about the never ending battle between re-enactors about standards of historical authenticity. The larger a group gets, the harder it is to enforce high standards of making sure people aren't using things that are blatantly not historical, like modern footwear, polyester cloaks or plastic armor etc...

TanitAkavirus, as Knyght Errant said, one of my examples where people wearing combat boots with something (and some times even synthetic fur!) around them instead of using historically accurate looking shoes, or wearing stuff of dubious documentation like leather vambraces on a XIIth century man at arms.

It's fairly well represented in the mid to late 15th century. No early 15th century English arms survive which is why we've experimented with different styles of articulation on these. If you have access to Dr. Goll's thesis (archiv.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/volltextserver/17203/) , the following are examples are a few that display this type of articulation: goll_ref_arm_187 (Wallace A20) goll_ref_arm_262 (Berlin No Accession # listed) goll_ref_arm_274 (Dresden N13) goll_ref_arm_282 (Higgins 2686) goll_ref_arm_304 (Munich 1353) goll_ref_arm_324 (Churburg CHS45)

All of the hard armor is done custom, the clothing and arming garments is all my work.

I know that hand-sewing makes a huge difference in leather goods (that's my father's forte, but 18th century). Is it similarly superior in the cloth items?

I hand sew all my leather goods, with clothing sometimes I will machine sew a seam and hand-finish all the seams and hems, sometimes I will just hand sew the whole thing. It's not necessarily superior in strength, but some techniques just require it and it certainly looks better on anything that's visible. My living history group requires that any visible stitch must be hand sewn.

How hellish is that to learn for someone who's never sewn at all?

It's not terrible. I learned slowly over time. I'm not great at it, but it's passable. You can do quite a lot with a few basic stitches and some understanding of construction. A great book to begin with is The Medieval Tailor's Assistant. Not all the patterns in there are perfectly authentic, but it does a good job of breaking it down in to basic techniques and fundamentals.

Yes. In some historical examples you see strips of mail in place of where the upper back straps are, and in some artwork you see a much larger panel of mail connecting the sleeves in the back. I've actually converted mine to something similar since the making of this video. It works very well. Here's a post about some of those changes - facebook.com/KnyghtErrant/posts/2246597168748988

Without seeing your kit it's hard for me to say, but in my observation, depending on what most people intend to use their armor for, most people wear far too much padding underneath their armor.

Ah okay, yeah i think from looking at your jack it seems much more closely fitting than mine, i am going for this sort of look : but with an arm harness i.pinimg.com/736x/20/30/ff/2030ff8cc1337d2cf188f8f8a15e724a.jpg thanks for the info !

Tallon Corp that style of jupon is intended to be worn _over_ armor. The breastplate on the outside was just one fashion for it, but in general the armor goes under it. Jupons, like the surviving Charles VI garment are the outer layer.

Ah, yes of course, I am just saying that mine looks like that but it is not that style as such. It's basically an overly padded gambeson, neither fitted enough to allow maile over nor large enough to let it be worn under, alas. thanks for your thoughts though, I think I will have to reduce the padding. or buy a better one...

Hayden Schmidt my armor is mostly 1050 spring steel, hardened and tempered. This is what I do to keep it rust free and remove rust when it occurs: knyghterrant.com/index.php/tutorials/modern-plate-armor-maintenance/

I don't really know of any evidence for that level of mixing of styles. It's important to understand that it's not just _fashion_ but also _function_ . Italian export armor design is made to appeal to a certain aesthetic, but the pieces are _functionally_ designed to work with one another, much the same way that _Gothic_ armor is made to appeal to a certain clientele, but simultaneously is meant to work as a system with other components made with the same design philosophy. Big Italian pauldrons may not ride on a Gothic cuirass as nicely and with as little interference as possible as it would the more rounded and smooth Italian cuirass it was intended to complement as an example.

@@KnyghtErrant yes I had to modify. It quite a bit but now I have it where I can wear it and move around. lesson learned . I like the way it looks and it's also very protective and functional now

My plate armor was all made by Jeff Wasson at www.wassonartistry.com with the exception of my bascinet, which was made by Piotr Feret - www.platener.eu

There are examples of mail sleeves that are sewn directly to arming garments. The reason I chose not to do that is because I need to be able to effectively _go back in time_ to the 1380s and wear my full mail shirt sometimes as dictated by my living history group so that wasn't an option for me.

Yes. The Wallace Collection A3 and A6 mail shirts were both quench hardened. Those are two I can name, but I'm sure there are other examples out there as well.

Alright, good to know. Thanks!

Historically the priority in arming the body is always the head, then the body, then the limbs, basically in order of what kills you the fastest. This priority is the same today, with ballistic helmets, plate carriers that protect the vital organs, and then occasionally people wear their side and groin plates if they have them at all. Now when it comes to fitting large amounts of troops, they're generally getting what is called 'munitions grade' armor, which is essentially pre-industrialized mass-produced armor. My opinion is that it's not that hard to make a ton of helmets and breastplates or brigs for generic sized men, but when it comes to limb armor, fit matters a whole lot more. You would introduce on a whole new level of complexity to trying to outfit people as quickly as possible, one that is probably not worth the time or effort. The presence of leg harness is usually one of the tell-tale signs that the person you're looking at isn't just you're run of the mill poor soldier.

That was quick! I can see that would make sense. Appreciate it.

Breastplate with reredos (saloon door backplates) and a paunce of plates.

I would love to do something like that one day!

How much experience do you have with wearing any heavy gear?

Well, I wear my Viking hauberk and helmet all day and have no problems. This is just really heavy like i'm ready to collapse lol. The weird thing is it's not any heavier really both weigh about 40 pounds give or take. But to answer, in plate armor no, it weighs in different places i'm not used to.

Does it sits right on your waist? With a hauberk it's easy to fix that with a tight belt and you can call it a day; plate requires more tailoring.

I do not have a cuirass, it's sort of the pikeman design with helmet shoulders and an aketon. Maybe that's the problem is there is nothing for the pauldrons and helmet/camail to rest on taking the weight off the shoulders.

That shouldnt really be an issue, since those would rest on the shoulders, and the cuirass is the one that should rest on your waits. Mind posting a photo of your kit? Perhaps that will help me "troubleshoot" it.

#early15thcproblems

Knyght Errant indeed!, I'm hitting my head on the wall making a particular suit that includes scale fauld and those are full of surprises, it behaves a bit like a normal hooped fauld but the flexibility, static friction of the leather foundation makes it a bit annoying, also you can't sit easily and the transition from breastplate and fauld is tricky but heh, there can't be reenactment without having a fiery stubbornness

A good starting place is a book called 'The Medieval Tailor's Assistant.' Not all of the patterns in it are correct for documented medieval garments, but the techniques you learn from the book are a great starting point.

Knyght Errant Thanks so for this 😀

Not very. It's an outer shell of linen, a lining of lighter linen, and 1 or 2 layers of batting in between depending on the location on the body. The next version will be built without batting using a layered construction instead.

@@KnyghtErrant awsome thx for fast answer, i'm just looking for an arming duoblet for myself for my mid 15th century plate, just can't find any sources on the thickness of these, thank you again

Under a complete 15th century harness, the doublet does not need to be thick, but it does need to be strong and stout so it will support things without them shifting around.

@@KnyghtErrant understood, can i ask you for any source or a book's title for more specifications? I want to use it in full combat type IMCF but they are short on any information

My personal doublet uses an adapted version of a publicly available pattern of the Charles de Blois doublet. It may be stylistically too early for what you're looking for though. The pattern as is was designed to fit lots of people, so it will not fit _well_ without altering it to yourself. www.lulu.com/shop/tasha-kelly/the-pourpoint-of-charles-de-blois/paperback/product-22344252.html

The actual surface of the spaulders and lames has not been altered from the fully riveted articulation to the hybrid articulation.

Thanks for answer!

Shit I just came from a BWB video and youre damn right I always used to think he looked a bit like Ian Mccollum but with reversed hairstyle

omg your right they look so similar

What you're describing are called _voiders_ of mail, and they become much more common as the 15th century develops but full sleeves stick around at least through the 16th century.

@@KnyghtErrant oh wow, voiders are exactly what I was thinking of! It's pretty cool how chainmail is always a persistent piece of armor throughout history

Given that he opened a channel on Vidme today, I'd say it's quite likely.

Miska Kopperoinen dude are finnish ?

Miska Kopperoinen and link to his vidme 😊

Yes indeed. He goes by the same name in Vidme, you'll find it easily enough.

Miska Kopperoinen okey thanks

If you change shape considerably, certain pieces will need to be adjusted or replaced. It depends on the individual piece and just how much leeway you would in the way it's designed. If your waist size changes dramatically for example, you may not be able to wear your full cuirass anymore without serious modification or replacement. The more precisely fit the piece, the less forgiving it is if you change size.