The DLC will most certainly answer a lot of questions about most of this

@@JBspherefreak I don't see how it would. 3 is not the type of game with a "post game". Everything you do as side content happens before the ultimate conclusion of the game which is a complete reset back to before it all happens (time and space wise). It means that ultimately any additional DLC we got will still just be things that...get wiped away with the rest of it by the end. The only way in which this circumstance changes is if the story DLC we get is a sequel and occurs after Z is defeated but I think we can all see an exploration of the founders coming for that.

it kinda didn't

The actual ending itself, I like but the build up to it, I dislike, hence the video

@@JBspherefreak I understand. You did made some valid points.

I mean it was be their hands. It’s entirely because of them that N and M joined them thereby allowing them to take down Z and cheat the death that had befallen them probably 6 other times.

I mean, those versions of N and M aren’t necessarily them. M died in chapter 5, and N was basically undone by joining with Noah. What we see are more representations of them through Noah and Mio’s desires, regrets, and body past experiences. It only happened at all due to Noah and Mio accepting to let go of one another for Origin to work in the first place, showing this even more

would have been a great opportunity for *flooting the final boss*

I won't stand here and say this isn't an issue bit I do think it is being blown out of proportion slightly. There should have been more basic explainations in this game for sure but I don't think everything had to of been clarified. You use XC1 and 2 as an example but can you tell me what the 5th rule of the salvagers code is? To me Noah's blade name and kid serves the same purpose as that with the only difference being that we might learn about them in the DLC. I would have liked more explaination in this game but not to the point where everything is explained to death

@@JBspherefreak Alright, totally valid standpoint 👍 My main point is that during my playthrough of XC3, to name one example, I was under the impression that Origin was supposed to work pretty much like Project Zero Dawn in Horizon, restoring the world from the ground up by giving birth to new life on the basis of the genetic material stored within, simply because it was explained in such a vague manner, which made the ending insanely confusing to me. I'm not against leaving things open for interpretation at all, but being left confused and potentially reuqiring the DLC in order to clarify what the base game didn't is just something I'd prefer to have differently. The Salvager's Code is something that doesn't have anything to do with how the world of Alrest works, That said, I quickly wanna clarify that I believe the story to be amazing, it's not like this breaks the story to me. It's really just that feeling of utter confusing I had after the credits rolled that I would have preferred to avoid.

In regards to the sword, I think it is obvious that a previous incarnation of Noah named the sword. As he said: "I'm terrible at names" and looks down at the sword.

@@gunsandroses896 That's true, but we still see a flashback of "our" Noah asking Riku to name the sword which is called Lucky Seven at that point. It's also not the same sword as the one his previous incarnation named, since that one seems to be in N's possession based on the sheathe.

I understand that! Origin is just an enigma in that we know nothing of its construction or it's (Ready for the pun?) Origin. Having not played Horizon, I didn't see it like that at all and fortunately understood its role as restarting time and leading both univereses on its merry way but I can also see why people didn't grasp that at first as well. Would have been nice for it to be clearer in the main game

Oh absolutely! The game is still phenomenal regardless of how much the ending kinda sucked. There is much more good then bad in this game

I agree, but the other Xenoblade games were very throughout with their explanations, so this one leaving so many things unanswered was more than strange unfortunately.

So I was initially going to include a whole section about the mc's side stories being story related (As I talked about in my review) but I felt the video would have been too long so instead, I am going to adress this concern in the Moebius video as I think that this is partially the best way to improve X & Y who SHOULD have been much more prominent in the game

I think the best way to do everyone in ch 6 is start after Shania's death and make Sena's quest last to complete instead of Noah my plan is to basically start with the hair scene then when everyone gets ready to leave, the group gets a call on the Iris from colony 4 about Colony 5 going missing, this would make X's hatred of the group actually make sense since this way she would have fought the group directly after showing up only during Mio's homecoming and the end of the game, Eunies quest done you go to colony Omega for Mio's quest, after finishing that on the way to Nia Taion gets a message from Isurd about the lost colony but the group has no time to detour but promise Taion to help out once they finish their business with Nia, the fight with D and Y happen, Lanz feels a type of ways and they head back the the port, After talking with Samon they learn about needing Origin Metal but Isurd tells them that the Lost Colony is in the area, they do Taions quest and go searching for Origin metal, luckily the colony leader tells them about some places they can find them as thanks for helping with the consul, Noah's quest starts and they deal with Crys and on the way back to talk to Samon, Lanz over hears that the City folk need help with a near by camp and Lanz's quest starts, upon finishing his quest Monica gets word from Ghondor that Mobius is attacking the City while they were all away, and finally Shania is back after killing herself at the end of ch 5 just in time to die again at the end of Ch 6 finally finishing everyones side Quests I think this is how you can merge the side quests into the main story and bloat ch 6 into a bigger chapter

I mean Z is and isn't the concept of fear. Moebius is more so the fear of change OR fear of seeing how something will take out. Maybe a better way to explain Moebius and Z is that they are the Anxiety of waiting to see something. I agree Z isn't really scary but he isn't supposed to be. His entire character is revolving around being afraid of taking that single step into the future and seeing how things will turn out. The amuses him line is more so him explaining that he changed Joran and Crys on a whim and it would be entertaining to watch the party go up against these people as their enemies. The man is still fucked up but like, he isn't supposed to represent all of fear itself, just fear of that one particular thing

But is it not also inherently selfish. He wasn't born of fear, he was born of fear of the future. Of fear of loss. Of fear of the unknown. He is the personification of anxiety. Would it then not make sense that he chose to do what alleviates that fear and keeps him happy? I think it tracks perfectly fine.

As everyone else said Z represents someone that is calm and collected that is conformist towards world's problems and would keep them happening so the status quo would never change and nothing would ever change, thus bringing peace of mind to him Z is literally anxiety personified and sincerely i love Z, but i hate how he just shouts "i hate it" when he dies

I disagree. I don't remember him being called "the concept of fear" in the game, I remember him being called something closer to the "collective fear of the souls in Origin". He isn't fear itself, he's the product of that fear, or a solution to that fear being manifested by the souls in Origin, if that makes sense.

I wish Moebius in general did a better job at selling their point of view. No one besides maybe N give any justification for what they're doing, not even a selfish one. You just have to assume that they're the generic evil overlord villains-of-the-week. Even if the average Moebius doesn't care about the Endless Now, the top brass absolutely should. Yet X, Y, and Z are more of the bloody same! Even the most basic excuse of "we're not willing to risk the end of the world" would be leagues better than the literal nothing we got. I thought it was that the heroes are portrayed as destroyers. Aionios is so corrupt that they're willing to end the world in the name of justice. But what if they're wrong? What if Origin isn't able to fulfill its purpose? What if the merge fails and both worlds are annihilated? That's a reasonable position, but if they actually feel that way they never bring it up. It makes the main theme of the game feel woefully undercooked and one-sided. It's like if you reached Malos at the end of 2 and instead of being furious over his place in the world and Jin's death, he just started cackling maniacally and bitched about how much he hated you before getting killed like a chump. No depth, no final words, no nothing. N was good, and a few others were okay, but as a villainous group the Moebius severely lacked.

So it's due to how poorly constructed Chapter 6 is. The whole segment is way to short and with the contents feeling lacklustre and for lack of a better word, rushed, it makes the whole chapter just feel lazily thought out. I mean, got to the Events theartre and look at how many cutscenes there are. You literally finish the Agnus castle segment, free Miyabi, awaken Nia and thats the chapter over. If the Chapter was longer, I might not have even made this video and would have just complained online about how bad Chapter 6 is

@@JBspherefreak It's because they focused too much on the side content instead of the main quest. The other character's side stories and hero quest and ascension quests should have been part of the main quest.

Riku and Origin are the big wonders to me atm! I do also agree that the lack of info was done poorly but I think that is more down to their being too few simple explainations

Oh I 100% agree! Like I said, I do actually love the ending and am only missing the fact that it doesn't connect lots into the other games but yea I agree

Poppi serves as a way for Nia to gather information and is (Presumably) plugged into the giant Ether Furnace within the Cloudkeep and is likely unable to fight. If she was capable, you'd of thought she might have gone after D & J when Nia was actually physically hurt. The fact that she also ONLY appears at the end of the story and does baso nothing is another reason why I don't think she could have served this role at all and so my point stands

Which leads to that: why couldn't they explain or bring Poppi up again??

I agree! I think that needs to be clarified as I'm not totally against the ending of this game! My main issues are Captocorn Peak, the Origin Metal Treasure Hunt and Nia being abandoned on her own. The changes that I made such as moving Melia to Keves castle was purely to make other aspects work properly. The idea of Melia being an Etehr Circuit for Origin is actually really cool but other then Riku (Who is also unexplained), there isn't anybody else who could give the lore we are missing, hence this descision. I stand by the changes I made but that does not mean that the majority of what we got was bad, just some bits and pieces

Riku is a huge mystery but thats ok cos we can learn and speculate about those! The Z fight was LOOOONG but I do like that for the finale of the Klaus trilogy (even if it is annoying) and as for the post credit scene, we don't know exactly what it means yet I don't mind personally

He’s a common variety Nopon. No one questions that there are Seven Nopon that have magical hammers that can forge Origin Metal but the idea that Riku is a common variety Nopon that had a Masterpon or is connected to someone that forged the Origin Sword is somehow strange

Riku is NOT a common variety Nopon at all! He knows Melia fgs and even has the balls to go against the deal with Moebius

Riku is probably the biggest Xenoblade mystery we have gotten in a while tbh

Whilst I understand that sentiment, I do also disagree slightly with Cammuravi and Ethel. I get where your coming from but its not exactly like it was in their control that they would be reborn in the first place and Ethel coming back young serves as a way to explain how the cycle of life works for those bound by the Flame Clock. I think Ethel and Cammuravi's return was justfified for that reason and am only upset that Mwamba and Hackt came back for the exact same reasons. They are QUITE LITEREALLY the deaths that trigger our whole adventure and if they hadn't of died, I do feel like the group may have never have even tried working together

@@JBspherefreak Here's the thing when I first saw Ethel and how much attention they were giving her, I literally told myself, " Yep she's gonna die soon." And I was right later on, but it was such a dumb way to go that got me down right pissed about it and didn't continue playing for a few days. Plus we never see what the original Commuravi would've been like or see where his Colony was. If it wasn't for the fact that I beat the game before I found out about being able to turn Ethel back to a 10th Termer I'd legit would leave her as a kid even if she wanted to help fight. While Mwamba and Hackt might be the starting drive for the heroes, Ethel was the continuing drive for them later on since she saved their lives when they were younger. Seeing an execution of impact for the death of a character will all come down to how important the moment was, and it just wasn't good enough for me. Whereas say Fire Emblem Awakening where Chrom's older sister Emmeryn chose to perish to save people from causing more bloodshed which disheartened the Plegians from fighting afterwards, but then she comes back with amnesia and that's about it, granted this could be a different timeline Emmeryn but point being they brought her back anyway. If they were gonna die, they should stay dead to keep the purpose of the main characters strong.

I respect your opinion but I personally disagree. If anything, Ethels death served as a continuation of the party's drive. She died how she wanted to and wasn't being controlled by Moebius when she perished and Cammuravi gauging his own eye out to do the same is sick (How did you not think that was awsome?). I agree that the original Cammuravi was not fleshed out near enough but still, that didn't make me dislike it any more and I find that there deaths serve to continue pushing the story forwards even more whilst also still being important plot points with how they return but hey thats just my opinion

@@JBspherefreak Don't get me wrong Commuravi pulling his eye out was legit badass but the idea that " I control my own destiny" is what sparks them to go back to fighting to the death even though Mobius is the bigger threat at that moment is just kind of reckless to me. And you find out later that was for nothing when you beat the game which makes you feel bad for Colony 4. Plus it would've been cool to get to know them after defeating Mobius O and P. Commuravi's colony could've been in the Capricorn area to give more stuff to do. Plus being able to get back the Flash Fencer and now the class Commuravi is early (just to realize its hard to use). In any case we can agree or disagree on how the portrayal of that scenario plays out all we want, what's done is done sadly. Who knows maybe maybe either a video or just a poll asking the simple question of whether or not people liked that scenario

So I do disagree because I feel like just using elements from the previous games to make this area more interesting is a bit cheap...I personally really wanted to see a Valak Mountain that WASN'T frozen over when I first saw Aionios and was hoping that it would be included else where 🤷‍♂️ we aren't certain which Titan and where Captocorn Peak derives from anyway (We speculate its part of Gormott) but we got no way to know for sure Thats whyt personally, I would have just rathered they use what they showed off in the concept art

Origin metal is the BIGGEST mystery we have currently. Put simply, it has to be a metal that BOTH the XC1 and XC2 universe has access too as both sides needed to build Origin. Then we can try to work out its special properties and everything else that follows

I just assume Z never felt threatened by Ouroboros. Moebius never truly retaliates with their full might. They never attacked a freed colony, they threatened colony 4 instead of just destroying it for example. They also let ouroboros go at them one at a time colony by colony, rarely do you face more than one Moebius and never more than two. They just don’t take ouroboros seriously and I don’t take them seriously either. The villains feel underwhelming in this entry. Maybe it’s bias but xc2’s boss fights with malos and the torna trio were more engaging plot wise and challenging game wise.

@@richardwilliams937 It's worth keeping in mind that, as far as Z is concerned, he's not actually losing anything of worth up until you enter Origin. Only he, Y, and X are true Mobius and more "false" Mobius can be made whenever he desires. More people can be made whenever he desires, more ferronis can be made whenever he desires, and so on. Hell, he's dealt with Ouroboros many times in the past and they've never left a truly lasting impact on Mobius. Hell, given the appearance of X and Y during the final phase of Z's fight, it's possible that he could even recreate them after their deaths eventually. More than that, I suspect that unlike the false Mobius, X, Y, and Z could keep going without the colonies. As a result of the leadership having no interest in their affairs, the rest of Mobius is more disorganized.

Whilst this is possible, I don't think Samon was shrewed enough to do this

I agree, I agree and I absolutely agree! I thought Origin was ok (I like the final areas being long) but I didn't like that when we were on a time limit with him destroying the world outside

I wasn't doing sidequests at that time and literally felt the exact same

@@JBspherefreak I honestly could've spent more time to ensure I got every colony and castles to 5 stars (I got most, just hit a wall trying to find the quests to get them to it, still have to go back and handle all of that and I will) but I kinda just wanted to wrap up the story because I knew avoiding spoilers would get harder as I go on and I did want to see how it ended. Kinda like you said, the story kept getting better and better till chapter 5, peaked, then fell off a bit but once you wrapped up the final boss I felt the conclusion was back up to that level, but 15 mins of getting back on track doesn't make up for the last two chapters falling off. But still love the game overall, hence I will go back to it. (also I will do New Game + when wave 4 comes out with new story content, enough time will pass where I can get excited about it)

Yea, I think it is the left arm of the Bionis although I can't see for certain but yea, so much of it is just unavailable for no good reason

Yup, Captocorn Peak needs and update (Even tho it will never get one sadly) Colony Omega was abandoned afterwards but a quest or two about the experiments Y performed there as well as searching for things around the area could have been nice and given us some Lore about Y Omega. That said we do get to go in and see the grow up pod only so that is something Dromarchs introduction is fan service but I made sure that if I was to add any, it must be important to the overall story and narrative The City seems to have and use more advanced tech then all of the colonies anyway. It isn't out of the blue that they may have a metal tough enough to brave it or as hard as Origin metal. Even the giant flying mech could punch a whole through Origin AND we know for a fact that the city folk have been able to breach it in the past so it isn't that weird I personally think there is enough chaarcter development BUT I do agree that the side stories should have been part of the main story. I stated as much in my review and intend to bring this point up again in my Moebius video Melia is there more so to explain more at a time where the whole world isn't in complete jeprody. I'm aware that changing this section makes little sense but it was the only way I could think to do it Origin is a mixed bag for me. On the one hand I really like it and what it represents but on the other, it is pretty lack lustre. I decided not to change to much in the hope of not ruining what was already there Aware that issues like Moebius were not touched but I intended to give them their own video

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The idea is that Dromarch would have been a deterrent and distraction for Moebius from where the true location of the Cloud Keep was his presence outside would serve as a way protect Nia in her slumber. As for how they entered, once the cloaking was disabled, the Moebius could theoretically just TP inside like they have done on multiple occasions not requiring any stealth at all an dis probably how they got there in the first place. That was the idea anyway I 100% AGREE WITH YOU! CAPTOCORN PEAK IS THE WORST AREA EVER IN XENOBLADE CHRONICLES AND MAKES NO SENSE AND HAS VIRTUALLY NO PURPOSE

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Yea, it took some time for me to truly come around and appreciate this game for what it is due to the ending but I am still holding out Hope for the DLC which could ammend everything currently

I absolutely love Z and N. They're living manifestations of the game's themes and they work really well for that. The rest of the Moebius (besides M and D) I can live without

Agreed!

WELL SAID! I 100% agree and even tho these issues bother me a lot more then they ever have before, I can still see and appreciate this game for what it actually is

Hey it's been four month , but justed wanted to confirm to you that Xenoblade was supposed to be the thematic conlusion to the Klaus Saga , not exactly the Story Conclusion , the director of the game said it during an Interview.

It is, the worlds getting close cause the annihilations, but, I don't understand exactly

Annihilation events are the process of both worlds merging together and annihilating one another as they use the concept of Anti Matter. When a positive and Negative particle colide, they cancel one another out and release energy and this is the process that is going on. I recommend watching my Xeno Lore video on the Fog as I go over and explain ALL of this in detail in that video

@@JBspherefreak Yes, what I don't get is why it affects Aionios, it's an alternate dimension or something, right?

@@Fermin-hw5pd I think it's just means that the world created by Z isn't perfect and there are portions that are "leaking"

Out of interest, why didn't you watch the video? Secondly, overlevelling is an issue and could have been easily remedied by letting us level down at camps normally but thats whatever and we can always grind afterwards

I have watched this video. It was a good video

Good 👍

I really wish that you were wrong...

Ofc not, this is the better plot line they decided not to use 😂

CAPTOCORN PEAK IS OBJECTIVELY THE WORST XENOBLADE ARE EVER! As for the proper other stuff, you are not wrong that a version of Dromarch is stored within Origin but he would have also existed outside of it. Everyone who existed before the time freeze would have also existed after and would have been placed into the Endless now as they all have to exist there. There couldn't be exceptions like Melia and Nia as they would also techinically die. I also adore this game but I look at it the other way, I love this game so much that I want to fix and remove and little flaw this game might have to make it perfect

@@JBspherefreak nah man I totally get it. I’m still understanding the whole origin thing. Regardless though it’s all really interesting. Also your beef with captocorn peak is objectively one of the funniest things I’ve seen from a content creator lmao.

Bruh, you should hear me in my discord ranting about Captocorn...IT REALLY GETS ON MY NERVES 😂

I also understood the ending the first time around BUT there were many who were left confused about many aspects to it for many reasons so there is an issue somewhere even if that issue doesn'tr effect us as much

Whilst that is pretty funny, it doesn't really make the game any better 😂

@@JBspherefreak yeah. But honestly I don't think the story in these chapters are salvageable unless you either invent/change lore or wait for a potential lore expansion in DLC. It really needs a 🤯 "everything makes sense/connects" moment

I think the DLC has a good chance of doing that tbf but we will have to see

@@dugtrioramen Part of what makes the story/ending unsatisfying is how we don't get a big lore dump like how we got from Meyneth at Mechonis in Xeno 1 or from the Architect at the World Tree in Xeno 2. We needed clarification/recap and questions answered so badly.

I don't think I could have said it better myself 😂

@@JBspherefreak thank you. I take my shitposting very seriously 😊

You are not wrong 😂 I'm just waiting on the emulator getting a free camera so I can properly look around Captocorn peak and see how much is unused before I madke a video on it tho! As for the Mr Samon bit, whilst it is nice that they are marked, I still think there was way to many of them! I look at it from the perspective of how much time must pass by for us to collect all those pieces of metal and its just kinda ridiculous when we should be rushing around to save the world. I also don't think Mr Samon being from the city has much merit as as we have seen from M's memories, the city and Ouroboros with Noah and Mio failed multiple times and so they are in fact just chucking rescources away. In fact, the very reason they don't use every ounce of Origin Metal in the Eyepatches (Which would be unceccesary if we were to succeed) is evident proof that the people of the City did not have that much faith in us. I expected the Boat to get upgrades but when I saw it was a completely new boat, I laughed at how ridiculous it was In terms of Dromarch, he is added also for the reason that I desired one more returing character. Personally, I was hyped to see who would be returing from the previous games and I was left disapointed when NOBODY did. Dromarch also serves to fill that role regardless of how uninteresting he is in XC2 which is why I gave him the hood and concealed his identity, anything to make him more interesting. I admit he serves little purpose narrativly afterwards but I'm sure something could have been added to make him important. Maybe he could even have his own set of sidequests?

TRUE!! Dromarch using Multus would have been sick but I'm not sure if it would make sense tho 😅

​@@JBspherefreak One excuse I can think of is he simply was given some sort of upgrade from the Vault of Heroes for the purpose of enhancing his capabilities as Nia's protector. He'd become the Dromarch we needed but didn't deserve. All they'd have to do is have a certain Queen comment on the Place of Heroes' Past landmark just to confirm hehehe.

I agree and disagree, I don't see it being heavily modified as an issue but I do think they could have leaned into its themes a little more and make it feel a lot more like a distorted part of the world

Reusing consuls is something I want throughout the whole story really. For example: make P the consul for Valdi's colony and remove Q from the story. O can be the consul for Cammuravi's colony. I know we don't even go there but that's another change for another time...

You bring up a great point about the Moebius' which I actually intend to make a video on at some point! To me, the ending was at least clear enoughand it does make sense but why they are doing this but I also get why some people didn't catch onto it. As for Nia explaining everything, it is arguably a route they could go down but I honestly don't think Nia is smart enough to explain everything that needed to be explained which is why I brought Melia. An alternative possibilty was discussed during the creation of this video tho (Which kept Melia within Origin) which was to have Riku explain everything. He is such a blank that I think it is feasible that he may know all that needs telling but there isn't enough evidence to support that which is why I didn't go down that route, as well as him then being too much like Gramps

Forgot one thing too, delete the snow area from the game and put cloud keep in Uraya near the great stair or whatever it's called in XC2 That would be really cool

Honestly, I think one of the benefits of the ending being so loosely explained is that you can interpret it in a way that makes sense. It wasn’t until I saw people talking about it online later that I found out they apparently restarted Origin and it worked as intended. What I thought happened when first beating the game is that they decided NOT to do that and left Origin deactivated, thus embracing the unknown and discovering that the worlds actually passed harmlessly through each other rather than destroying themselves. That works WAY better as an ending than what was evidently intended with them restarting Origin and it working perfectly. For one, I assumed that if they did that it would just create Moebius all over again, and also the fact that Z says the worlds will be destroyed if they defeat him (which I took to mean stopping Origin) but Noah replies saying that’s just one possibility. Basically, the only way to fix things is to take Origin out of the equation, with the unfortunate result that the worlds become permanently separated.

I understand this view point but especially with an ending this important (Ending the Klaus saga), I think most people would have preferred a more clear and concise ending. I understand where you got your understanding from tho but I think that it mainly derives from your understanding of Z as he doesn't want the worlds to go back to normal. To me, I fortunately understood the ending first time around but I get where people can get different perspectives from

The Sword of the End is made out of Origin Metal, correct but because Origin is such an enigma, that actually explains nothing. Xenoblade tends to stick by real world Physics and concepts and there's nothing (As far as I have been able to find) that explain how the Sword of the End can use MUSIC to cleanse people at a distance or how it can be used as a fecking radar to detect other pieces of Origin Metal, Moebius and even Queen Melia "Z controls the very fabric of this world" with this ability, do you really think he wouldn't know? Z is watching Ouroboros approach origin in the Bravery whilst in stealth mode which is probably similar tech which is used to Hide the City from Moebius. The same tech that left everyone in a colony unaware of as proven from Guernicas ship (They detected the Ether being released from the Ouroboros stone, not the ship). Heck in Sena's side story, Shania shows up in the "new" City location which she couldn't possibly have known about. The teleportation that Moebius use actually seems to be controlled by Z due to when X shouts out to him during Chapter 6 to get away so HE must have been the one that TP's Shania into the City. This man and other Moebius would have likely been aware that she was alive from her Ether output alone. Also, Z didn't revive people in Origin, he froze time. Everyone who existed then, still existed in Aionios and would have been put into the cycle after they died providing he had control of Melia so Dromarch SHOULD still be alive So yea, it is a bit weird for her to randomly give you an Origin shard out of the blue but tbh, I contemplated her never handing it to you in the first place and the one piece of metal you need coming from the castle. I figured she could just say something like "Take this with you on your Journey, it may come in handy" or something cheesy like that but it isn't necessary cos we don't need THAT much metal. The Boundary and Braveery look VIRTUALLY identical and whose not to say that the hull isn't already made out of the same matireal? All that should have been necessary is the boosters which could have came as an upgrade to our existing boat after a short venture into the Keves castle. From the games perspective, yes the hunt makes sense BUT what doesn't make sense is the order in which we do them OR why Nia was left all alone even if Moebius couldn't find her (Which they could) The Keves castle bit I will admit is a total nitpick but I thought I'd include it considering everything else in this video. Still would have been nice to at least reference it tho imo I disagree with it being from my perspective tho as most of the people I have spoke to about this have agreed or understood where I'm coming from even if it isn't what they thought themselves. I haven't found a perspective where these issues aren't relevant and so to me, these are all major issues that really hampered my experience with this game

@@JBspherefreak honestly I think the origin metal quest was made to purposely give people a moment to do side quest and explore the world. Xenoblade games always have these sequence where the flow of story makes it hard to go back towards other quest. So to see a moment where I could theoretically take a breath and do other stuff to prepare for Origin made sense to me. On your question of the sword, Luxin new video gives a retro perspective on how the sword and ouroborous draws on the people desire to “move forward to the future” similarly to how moebius started existing due to a desire for an endless now.

@@JBspherefreak This took me a bit to remember, but the reason they found Nia in the first place was because they were tracking Mio's *Moebius* signal, which the eyepatch and stealth tech *don't* block. That's likely how Z knew of where Bravery was as well. I did say that Origin can control the fabric of reality, and I realize now that was a bit of a goof. Origin can't control reality to that extent, and neither can Lucky Seven despite all the power it holds, but one thing Origin *can* control is memories. Origin is what wipes the memories of the Kevesi and Agnians when they're reborn, and it's also what returns the memories of someone who becomes Moebius. Therefore it stands to reason that Lucky Seven, which is connected to Origin, can also restore memories, and it was triggered by Noah's and Mio's song, or more specifically, the emotions put into said song. This also explains why Miyabi got back all her memories from her most recent past life, while Cammuravi, Mwamba, and Hackt regained their sense of self, but not their memories, as Noah and Mio were mostly focused on Miyabi, but were also trying to help the other three. I do think the worlds did, in fact, collide, as the last scene of the ending occurs *after* Origin recreates the worlds. I believe that Z stopping time merely means that events within the worlds were halted, not that the worlds themselves stopped moving, and that Aionios was created by manipulating Origin's function of recreating the worlds.

Razora - Whilst I agreee that those segments need to exist within games to give us a chance to do them, they should NOT come at the end of the game OR when there is clearly a more important thing to do narratively. This whole argument FURTHER goes into how ridicilous it was to leave Nia on her own so it STILL doesn't work Also, Lucky Seven does seem to derive from peoples conscousness within Origin but it does NOT draw in on the desire to move forward to the future as is stated by Melia "Protect the now or carve a path to the future. The wielder decides". The sword can be used to do that but it can also be used (As it was by N) to maintain the Endless now. This is due to it being a Monado but I'm gonna talk about that in my own video Burst Flare - Whilst this is true, it is not necessarily the reason that he can watch them approach on the screen. Moebius always have a rough idea where they are due to the signal they release which shouldn't be enough to pinpoint their exact position like Z can Origin likely isn't the part that wipes the memory of soldiors. This goes into the whole concept and difference between a soul and a consciousness. The soul is what is used to rebirth another version of the same person whilst the consciousness is wiped away (But not always as seen through Noah, Eunie and Ashera). Whilst I do see where your coming from tho as for the whole memory bit, it still doesn't explain WHY the sword can resonate those soundwaves in such a way and so sadly to me, your idea, whilst likely accurate is just theoretical at this point. (But still good job here) The worlds didn't collide completely and that is a fact as can be seen at the end when they move apart from one another. You can see clearly that most thing are nearly perfectly overlapped.

@@JBspherefreak If Origin wasn't what wiped their memories, then why the hell do they not remember Aionios after the worlds were recreated? Z and the other Moebius were already gone, so if not for Origin, there would be no reason for them not to remember. And Y explicitly stated that the reason their memories are wiped is because of conditioning, not because they were reborn.

They didn't rewind time. They allowed time to continue normally after it had been stuck in a looping quantum moment. Your projected expectations don't change the fact that this was clear if you were paying attention.

@@khalimblank Exactly. I don't understand how people looks at this scene and thinks "going back to the past?!"

Why there so special, I have no idea but I have a few theorys and ideas about that what might make them special but it requires further investigation. Fun fact here, the Model of that character actually is Young Noah underneath. We're currently investigating into both possibilities that it is either Mio disguised as young Noah to to talk to him and show the memories OR if it is his actual consciusness. Absolutely agree, in theory, they should go back to being like 1st or 2nd termers as is there actual age but for whatever reason, that aint the case That is also possible and could have made the storya bit more concise also Whilst you are not wrong, I aint changing the title again 😉

So after Future Connected, Alcamoth seems to have moved back down to ground level and is now with what we suspect is Colony 9. We know from the end of FC that Melia is now Queen of the High Entia and its reasonable to assume that this extended onto all those living on this new world being the Homs, High Entia, Machina & Nopon so Keves was effectively formed in all but name. Agnus on the other hand is far more speculatory but I believe to organise Alrest after the Chaos of XC2, they decided to create a monarchship, allowing one person to lead all nations towards the future which is how Nia was made queen and Agnus was formed. Both nations thus existsed before the Endless Now but were transformed into what they were by Moebius

Whilst I have no doubt that those 2 months would have had an impact, I don't think it would be enough time to fix all of the proposed issues here as well as other ones. It would have for sure made a difference but how much we can only speculate about

So I agree and disagree. Whilst I do think it would be really cool to see some aspects of the previous games and I think some should have made its way in, I also understand that Z HEAVILY modified Origin's Interior which is probably the reason we got nothing from those two worlds. Enemies coming back from the previous games tho would have been lit but they should have been corrupoted and mutated as such. I do disagree with defeated Moebius coming back tho as it is made a point that Moebius can not return after death as is their fate and so doing so would defeat the point of that plot point

@@JBspherefreak I forgot the mention of Moebius being unable to come back, thanks for pointing that out.

Gimme some credit 😅 Luxin ain't the only one who figures stuff out 😂 I got a few ideas or theorys atm about who Riku really is but it just requires more evidence to back up currently

I understand your opinion but do still disagree with it, how I see it is that Mio did actually die...at least her body did of course and that couldn't be avoided but M who possesed hope for the future gave her own life for this cause. In effect, there are two Mio's and this one is technically M (Is M's body and has all of M's memories). Yes Mio looks at herself seperately to M but they are in fact the same person and so even tho I know this is still Mio, I do look at her as M. As for the Noah speech scene, I find that it holds its weight perfectly. N gave up completely BEFORE becoming a Moebius. You receive all of your previous memories when you do but when N first met Z, he would have still been human (We even see him change in that one scene). Z then maniuplates him into changing sides to Moebius through giving him a glimpse of his past lives but ultimately, the Noah that became N didn't try at all. As for that issue with Xenoblade games...your not wrong. I get why they do it but I don't think Xenoblade games could work with losing a party member (Especially in this one where you need partners to Interlink. Would destroy the gameplay). I would like to see a cute and loveable Nopon at some point be killed tho and be perma dead to get around the issue that you just described but no idea if they would ever do it (Nopon wouldn't be playable)

I refuse to believe a permanent loss of a party member is a good thing. That's why I barely even use Lao in Xenoblade X

@@boshwa20 killing off MCs depends on the story ofc, not any RPG should do it unless it serves a purpose narratively & in Xenoblade 3 with its life/death focus I think Mio should've died at the end of chapter 5 & it would've stuck with players like Aerith is still stuck with people 20+ years later even though she's not well written. Few other games killed off MCs in a way that serves the narrative but that I don't want to spoil them 😁

@@JBspherefreak I never thought of it this way tbh, bc to me M = Mio, 2 versions of the same person but Mio is the one who survives regardless if M gave her her body since it's Mio's body lol, at the end it's still Mio with all her memories & body (with long hair) that survived. It is a very cheap way to bring back Mio from the "dead" by literally swapping bodies, I think it's still better written than Fiora or Pyra/Mythra coming back but eh I still think a game about life/death should commit to its core narrative & to this day I'm not sure how Ethel is back to being 18/19 years old at the end & not a 10 years old child! Noah himself has said later that the only reason he never became like N was only luck, he just got lucky this time which is true, so imo his speech to N about giving up kinda sucks & rings hollow. I feel like the story generally isn't good but the dialogue, cutscenes & some characters interactions are what's actually well done, it's my favorite RPG ever so far but I didn't enjoy the story that much, it was overly preachy, contradictory & safe.

@@shadowsquid1351 I look at it purely from a gameplay perspective. Mio dying would've been sad, but all I would've thought was that all the time and effort I put into her builds was wasted. Again, I point to Lao permanently turning traitor in Xenoblade X

I humbly disagree. Mr. Samon giving us another boat is whatever but I do think it would have made more sense for the boat to be upgraded instead. City Transport ships have been shown to be quite speedy but even so...WHY DID WE COLLECT THE METAL IN THAT ORDER! Regardless of how fast they are, we did not take the most efficent path around Aionios to collect them so it makes even less sense. Nia's ascension quest can't really be considered Canon because it is Post Game only. Until there's something in the DLC that definetely references that, then we can't consider it Canon (Especially for the fact that her mech is present outside of Origin) I disagree on Origin also. The changes in gravity would help make it feel otherworldly and could make it really interesting to traverse. I will admit tho, it is hard to know what effect this would have on how enjoyable it is to go through without seeing how it is implemented. Melia was only moved for the Lore dump in Keves castle. We have discussed having Riku do the lore dump instead which seems possible but there is no certainty he would be able to tho

Good comment. I don't really understand anyone thinking the Nia quest isn't canon. Like there's no reason to think that. The fact that it's postgame is no reason to think that. I do wish they'd explained how the Melia quest is supposed to have happened - there are actual reasons to think that's not canon.

​@@JBspherefreak ​ @JBspherefreak I massively disagree with Nia's ascension quest not being canon. Just because a quest is relegated to post-game, doesn't suddenly mean it's not canon. With the things you have to do and learn in that quest, it's very obvious it takes place after Nia's freed and before the battle at Origin commences. Like someone else mentioned, there's no reason for it not to be canon, especially when it being canon cano also address your concern of leaving Nia alone in the Cloudkeep. Having her travel with the crew at least keeps her in the presence of six strong fighters. The origin idea you specifically mention, with the addition of changes in gravity, would not make it any more interesting to traverse than it was in OG XB3. If anything, the problem here is that the way it would be implemented, respectfully, would be ASS; especially with the two examples of janky physics areas you provided. Those areas in 1 and 2 are fine in small doses but in a multi-hour dungeon??? Absolutely not. And while I'm aware why Melia was moved, I was spitballing ideas using that as a base, like making the timing of Melia's ascension quest make sense lol

Whilst narratively, Mio's death would have been really cool to see and witness the shift in priorities, it would not have worked from a gameplay perspective at all

@@JBspherefreak I think changing her for M would still have been the course of action, just do the switch in reverse. maybe seeing N go as far as executing a new version of herself is the breaking point for M.

Yup, yup couldn't agree more

I get that, there is a lot unexplained in this game and I just wish we had a little bit more to work with. I don't need Origin completely explained for instance but at least give me a hint as to what it is made out of 😂

It's gotta be made of something that is available in both worlds, but I have no idea what. If only Tora was around to tell us lmao

So blades in XC2 and XC3 seem to work differently. Blades in XC3 can change into whatever shape the wielder wants where the weapons in XC2 can't. Additionally, the fact that Z can disable them suggests that they are something to do with their Irises (Also shown in the intro where Noah is grabbing his weapon). Nia still being a "True" blade possibly wouldn't have this limitation as you say tho but my point does still lie with Melia as after all, she was the one captured by Moebius. The idea is that the "Key's" are the hearts of teh Queens and the blades seem to be in someway attached to a persons soul so the idea is that this could simply work as a replacement. The weapon is actually the World Ender tho which is what is used in FC and was probably specially built for her by Miqol or Shulk. (Monado's are weird so it is possibel but still unlikely and no idea what matireal it was made out of). I purely used their weapons as a way to explain things as I needed us to meet Melia earlier so that she could explain things and thats the only reason I changed this. I ain't gonna lie, the idea that the lost numbers breaking her out never crossed my mind so that is a bit of a plot hole on my part 😂 possibly she was hidden away deep within the Keves castle but I actually have no idea I agree and like your route as well. That works as a way to give us what we need and still have her there so good job 👍

@@JBspherefreak Oh ok thank you! I didn't know her weapon was specially made for her in FC. World Ender huh? Well with a name like that it should have been the key lol.

Thanks and I get where your coming from. I admittedly struggled to adress everything as some things could have been explored through side quests like Riku and N & M but yea