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Assassin's Creed - The Colonial Brotherhood Was TERRIBLE

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Fizhy

Fizhy

6 жыл бұрын

In this video, we are facing the hard canonical fact that the Colonial Brotherhood of Assassins seen in Assassin's Creed Rogue and Assassin's Creed III (most notably) were terrible Assassins.
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@Fizhy
@Fizhy 6 жыл бұрын
I'll just address people getting butt-hurt over this video, because a lot of people seem to see the video as a criticism, when in reality all I am doing is stating a hard canon fact that the Colonial Brotherhood didn't uphold the creed and what it stands for very well. Of course it takes a bit of seeing, and does have an overhanging negative context (as intended by Ubisoft/AC Rogue is the example) but that doesn't make the video a critical/negative video about AC, it's simply a video addressing a negative side to the Assassins that was intended by Ubisoft. I didn't even say whether or not I liked that plot decision in the video. So I don't get the backlash, I'm not criticising anything, I'm simply pointing things out.
@XxHaythamKenwayxX
@XxHaythamKenwayxX 6 жыл бұрын
Probs just trolling tho Fizhy. The rest of us prefer a mature discussion or sharing of POV's. In fact I probably almost bug you with my Shay-love in nearly every vid xD
@chillt6090
@chillt6090 6 жыл бұрын
I like ac but i hate that nonsense future shit with juno. Its so random and why they have roman instead of the greek names that came first and what about ac origins if they havent egyptian gods in the first civilization that would be a little bit stupid, why they dont bring every gods from india, mesopotamia, japan, vikings and more that would be more interessting. The other that i disslike is this endless war between assassins and templar it would be cooler then they fight with different organizations like ac1 templars ac2 borgias ac syndicate some gangsters want to take over london with a buisness man... Know what i mean they have so many alternatives
@chillt6090
@chillt6090 6 жыл бұрын
Ac lover why you watch him? Ac fanatic
@Fizhy
@Fizhy 6 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure 'Ac lover' is just having a joke on a trolly account.
@XxHaythamKenwayxX
@XxHaythamKenwayxX 6 жыл бұрын
without a doubt. Every youtuber gets at least 'one'. They dislike all content you post, comment negatively to every video, and literally have nothing else to do. A difference of opinion is beautiful. I like being criticized for my views, but there's a way to go about it - maturely.
@ozairchishti1264
@ozairchishti1264 6 жыл бұрын
I mean that was kind of one of the main points of the Americas trilogy. To show that the Templars weren't Saturday morning cartoon villains like in the Ezio trilogy and that the Assassins weren't Saturday morning cartoon heroes that could do no wrong. They appropriately blurred those lines of morality and imo made the series much more interesting as a whole. Achilles' Brotherhood became wreckless and even controlling to a degree much like the Templars in order to ensure what they perceived as safety and peace. Connor's story was about the rebirth of that Brotherhood as something that resembled Altaïr and Ezio's Brotherhoods aka merely there to ensure freedom and not be authoritative figures that decide what's safe. Ubisoft has been pushing the idea of good and bad divisions of both orders for quite a while now.
@ink4852
@ink4852 6 жыл бұрын
This needs more upvotes!
@LeonardBillsMcGoatPryor
@LeonardBillsMcGoatPryor 6 жыл бұрын
+Ozair Chishti So in other words, Connor was to the Colonial Assassins what Luke Skywalker was to the Jedi Order.
@jinhunterslay1638
@jinhunterslay1638 6 жыл бұрын
Well said brother! It's sad that people keep dissing on the American saga of the AC series, because with AC3 we actually see the Templars' point of view for the first time...
@PVPTawa
@PVPTawa 6 жыл бұрын
Jinhunter Slay you just needed to know the templars objective to understand their point of view Assassins or templars both are extremes, both "evil"
@kingnamor7777
@kingnamor7777 6 жыл бұрын
Ozair Chishti Thank you. For such good comment on our hero Connor.
@penguinsrockrgr8yt216
@penguinsrockrgr8yt216 5 жыл бұрын
“The American revolution could have been avoided” of course a Brit would say that Edit: this is just a joke
@DarkEdgePrince
@DarkEdgePrince 4 жыл бұрын
It was also not because of the Assassins alone. The Templars of the Colonial/American Rite knew that Britain would be unable to maintain control of the American colonies given the distance and limited technology at the time.
@yugatrasclart4439
@yugatrasclart4439 4 жыл бұрын
@@DarkEdgePrince Britain would've held on to America with ease if the French didn't get involved in it
@DarkEdgePrince
@DarkEdgePrince 4 жыл бұрын
@@yugatrasclart4439 Maybe in the short term, but the size of the Atlantic ocean meant it took months to cross the distance before clipper ships were invented. Hell, that is why Howe didn't receive the orders to march on Philadelphia then Albany to rendezvous with Burgoyne before Howe sailed down the coast to attack Philadelphia alone. Plus, considering their history, it was inevitable that France would start another war with England even if they didn't get involved with the American Revolution.
@pkmncourier2409
@pkmncourier2409 4 жыл бұрын
@@yugatrasclart4439 When the French got involved the war was already in the Colonies favor.
@thewhitewolf58
@thewhitewolf58 4 жыл бұрын
Lil' GayGay werent the british strained by the other shit they were involved in as well
@BudokaiMan-mr9tw
@BudokaiMan-mr9tw 4 жыл бұрын
In Conner's defense, it was Achilles and Juno who told him to blindly kill all the templars and when he finally started see things from the templars point of view and actually see some of the noble things they were doing, he actually wanted to work with them and create a better future and forget the past.
@ciurearazvan7092
@ciurearazvan7092 3 жыл бұрын
Not really. He would have still kill templars
@VergilDarkslayer
@VergilDarkslayer 3 жыл бұрын
Replau the game or go to the wiki he wanted to unite the templars with assassins shit gone down when he learned Whasington tried to destroy his village
@Avinash_Lincoln
@Avinash_Lincoln 2 жыл бұрын
Still going after Lee and haytham in the end was pretty unnecessary if you ask me and I'm speaking in Haytham's defence.
@davidbeer5015
@davidbeer5015 2 жыл бұрын
Iirc, he ended up splitting with them when Haytham revealed Washington's part in the burning of his village, and how his father seemingly knew of this and didn't clarify it until it was convenient for him. Also the fact Haytham supported Charles Lee and wanted to have him installed as leader. Haytham then also put himelf in between Connor and Charles and tried to kill him as well (or at least made it look like he was trying). Connor would come to regret killing Haytham going by what he wrote by the painting of his father. With Charles, my understanding was Charles was a bit less..reasonable than Haytham could be and would begin to raise the Templars back up, possibly also try to usurp power from Washington, whether directly or by pulling the "advisor" trick.
@m1co294
@m1co294 Жыл бұрын
@@Avinash_Lincoln it was really because Achilles taught him to kill Templars
@niamhmorrissey2187
@niamhmorrissey2187 6 жыл бұрын
The Templars started becoming incompetent once Ezio became involved. The Assassins started becoming incompetent once Haytham became involved.
@Mr.Crawlyo
@Mr.Crawlyo 4 жыл бұрын
Tbh if ezio was in the colonial age he would had defected too but actually kick Connors ass 6 feet under
@captainplexiglass6475
@captainplexiglass6475 4 жыл бұрын
Never underestimate a guy with a funny knife and a shiny fruit.
@Tookieslam
@Tookieslam 4 жыл бұрын
mrcrawlyo 🙄
@TomoyaOkazaki13
@TomoyaOkazaki13 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mr.Crawlyo nah I dont think Ezio can win against a dude who tackles a moose head on. Connor was a tribesman and lived in the forest Ezio is a great assassin but Connor's a fucking brute Hes a tank and is just as (or almost as) nimble as Ezio. At the very least i dont think Ezio is gonna be not crippled after a fight with Connor
@ArgonYouTube
@ArgonYouTube 4 жыл бұрын
Justray Because he is merely trying to understand why he has this particular view. Is that such a bad thing, to be curious and to possibly have an interesting conversation?
@caskett2585
@caskett2585 6 жыл бұрын
Thank god Connor reformed the brotherhood in his later life.
@dakotacross1519
@dakotacross1519 6 жыл бұрын
amen to that
@Ayytham
@Ayytham 5 жыл бұрын
He did it in game, recruiting Assassins.
@whitebox3760
@whitebox3760 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to Shay that ended the colonial Brotherhood and let Connor reform it
@ryder539
@ryder539 3 жыл бұрын
I liked Shay I agreed with his views I take assassin views more than templar but one thing pissed me off. He kill adawale 😤
@yukikid2195
@yukikid2195 3 жыл бұрын
@@ryder539 bro I was fucking heated when he did that. And it wasn’t even a good death imo
@BlueSkullX
@BlueSkullX 6 жыл бұрын
The Colonial Assassins under Achilles were just criminals. In Rogue the only people you killed were just gangs in yellow and black without the hoods. They're responsible for destroying Lisbon, tried to kill Shay when he warned them, had poison gas plants in New York to use against the British Army, and tried to kill innocents to send a message. (Assassin Interception Missions) Connor was a huge improvement because his new Brotherhood didn't use gangs, they helped people, helped the Patriots, turned the Homestead into a community, rebuilt the Aquila which participated in historic wars, helped win the Revolution, made the declaration of independence possible by saving Samuel Adams, protected George Washington, and didn't waste time looking for Precursor artifacts like Achilles. Connor's brotherhood was almost as good as Ezio's to be honest.
@Darkheartedone91
@Darkheartedone91 6 жыл бұрын
BlueSkullX the Colonial Assassins were composed of criminals BUT do were most assassin groups. In brotherhood and revelations, you recruit "enemies of the state" to fight the Bordgia, in all games you kill guards and law enforcement and all the while you have to work with the less than reputable to get your goals seen to since Templars basically own the governments they infiltrate. Lisbon was an accident, Shay was in the middle of interfering with the brotherhood's goals. The gas was not poison since it put those exposed to sleep and was a lie to confuse Shay, the gas was a sleep toxin like in the blow darts and bombs. The assassin interception missions were actually main where Shay protected Templars and their assets, those people weren't innocent. So when we're honest, the slant of rogue is meant to make you question your goals from the previous games but you fail to take into account that Haytham and the other Templars were not above lying your telling half truths.
@d4dr4g0n
@d4dr4g0n 6 жыл бұрын
Anesthetics aren't simply a magic drug that makes you fall asleep. They can have side effects. Medicine and poison are the same thing. It's just a matter of context and dosage. In the right circumstances, they can be helpful. In the wrong dosage, they can be lethal. Also, men, women, kids and adults have different metabolisms so they would require different dosages to be nonlethal. This is why anesthetics are closely monitored during medical operations. In the boss fight against Hope, Shay was poisoned with a lethal form or dose of the sleep toxin. To combat against those effects, he had to keep his heart rate up by staying on the move.
@Pissicist2394
@Pissicist2394 6 жыл бұрын
BlueSkullX so you're saying that achilles is a monster and connor is a hero? Please say yes
@SaiMoNx8
@SaiMoNx8 6 жыл бұрын
Whether Connor was naive or bold, right or wrong, no one seems to give him credit for this - he rebuilt the Colonial Brotherhood HIMSELF. When Ezio rebuilt the brotherhood, he had the support of his sister, mother, and many other Assassin's, who taught him their skills. While the only one to help Connor was a grumpy old man, who had given up on the Creed. Connor was ALWAYS fighting against greater odds and you have to admire that from a person, who deep down, just wanted for people to live a free and happy life, as he once had.
@RVE122
@RVE122 6 жыл бұрын
Oh hey a Wolfenstein 08 profile pic
@Jpik72
@Jpik72 2 жыл бұрын
3 tenets of the colonial brotherhood 1.) Kill as many people as possible, if someone asks you to stop shoot them off a cliff 2.) Fly bright flags so your adversaries know where you are all the time 3.) Uphold nothing, Achilles is always right so blindly follow him and attack your own brothers if he tells you to
@AGenericTakodachiW4H
@AGenericTakodachiW4H 2 жыл бұрын
I like the 3 xD "If you have doubts in 1 or 2 check the 3rd tenet"
@ghostcreeper243
@ghostcreeper243 Жыл бұрын
Bonus tenets through assassin interception: +.) anyone who helped both sides including Templars is automatically one, which means killing them(David Borgen) +.) anyone who tries to expose us or revolt against us will be killed in public to serve as an example(Kelly Snider and Maria Gurley) +.) anyone who doesn’t share our interests will die on the spot(Scott Lawson) +.) leave the brotherhood at your own risk( Michael Crawlay)
@TheLatiosnlatias02
@TheLatiosnlatias02 Жыл бұрын
Bruh!
@JingleJangle256
@JingleJangle256 4 жыл бұрын
It felt like after Black Flag, the Brotherhood Edward helped grow was horrifically corrupt. Edward was incredibly efficient as a killer, but as a result, fostered a Brotherhood that embraces his methods rather than push them away. What Edward did reminds me in many ways of the Frye twins. They built a massive syndicate of thugs and criminals to overpower the Templars, but lost control to a rogue assassin, only to do the exact same thing immediately after.
@lonewalling938
@lonewalling938 6 жыл бұрын
Shay was actually my favorite, he didn't actually defect because he thought that the assasins code was wrong, he knew that the assasins weren't even following they're own code. `He would have been perfect if he didn't kill Adewale.
@americantemplar6553
@americantemplar6553 5 жыл бұрын
Adewale was just confused he thought he was going to the right side of the wheel but he ended up getting stuck with his head beneath it
@clitcrusader4897
@clitcrusader4897 5 жыл бұрын
Adewale would have been perfect if he fought with a machete and blunderbuss in rogue imagine the bossfight
@someonebehindascreen6902
@someonebehindascreen6902 4 жыл бұрын
@@clitcrusader4897 yeah not with a wtf is that a fuckin dagger? Im bout to smack ubisoft
@cyberwing3758
@cyberwing3758 4 жыл бұрын
How does him killing Adewale affect him being an amazing charaxter?
@vinhtrieu8060
@vinhtrieu8060 4 жыл бұрын
- CyberWing375 - Adéwalé was originally fought for freedom of slaves and innocents, which is similar to Shays goal, they could have talk thing out. I mean to Adéwalé he could have quit assassin after and not joining any sides
@Nist498
@Nist498 5 жыл бұрын
It's basically that Achilles seemed to have adopted an ends justify the means philosophy particularly when it came to the templars and passed it on to the colonial assassins he mentored. It was only a matter of time before a more idealistic assassin came along and got cheesed off at the decisions he was making. I honestly wish we'd see more templar focused games just to drive home the point that the assassins are not defacto heroes nor are templars defacto villains. Connor was more naïve/revenge obsessed but ultimately realized he'd screwed up in the end.
@jonathanpilcher337
@jonathanpilcher337 3 жыл бұрын
Connor was always chill, he always tried to be peaceful first, but when shit like people in his village being killed occured he did what he had to, don't mistake the old colonial brotherhood with connor, this video ignores and misinterprets a lot about ac 3, the whole point of ac 3 was that the old colonial brotherhood was dogshit and fell and that connor rebirths it anew alike to that of the brotherhoods under altair and ezio
@muhammedazhaan9350
@muhammedazhaan9350 5 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget who led these colonial assassins- Achilles The guy didn’t stop once to ask why shay was doing stuff that he was doing and was an awful teacher
@TheLatiosnlatias02
@TheLatiosnlatias02 Жыл бұрын
Just like Yoda who made the same mistake and was responsible for Anikin's fall to the dark side.
@RandomGuy-sb5ig
@RandomGuy-sb5ig 6 жыл бұрын
Connor did not just kill people because they were Templars. Johnson was trying to buy up the land Connors village sat upon and he first tried to destroy his tea to stop his funding and when that failed and the elders if his village were threatened only then did Connor kill him. The Colonist rebelled all on their own Connor had nothing to do with that and it was Pitcairn who tried to arrest Samuel Addams and John Hancock but then attacked the rebels and it was only through Connors intervention that the Rebels survived and caused Pitcairn to flee. Then Pitcairn attacked again causing the Rebels to fight back and even though Pitcairn tried to reach a peaceful solution it was his actions that cause the war to escalate nots Connors, it was only with Connors help that rebels managed to survive but he did not cause the war. Hickey tried to assassinate Washington because the Templars diddn't think he was a good leader and Lee (one of their own) would be better in his position. Connor first tried to warn him and again only when that failed Connor had to kill Hickey to save Washington. The only person that Connor truly had a bloodlust for was Charles Lee and even then he killed him because Lee was an asshole and in charge of the Templars so it would be better for him to die. While i agree that the Colonial Assassins were rubbish your "canonical evidence" for why Connor falls under that title is wrong. Connor was not a blood hungry assassin only killing people because they were Templars but an Assassin who tried a more peaceful path and only when that did not work then he resorted to killing and only to save others and not for himself. Also Connor never told Washington who he was, he wanted too but never did and it was Achilles who insisted that the Templars die because they were Templars where Connor thought about working together and only when that failed he killed them.
@Bulls3ye86
@Bulls3ye86 6 жыл бұрын
You speak the truth, and de-bunk half the video. So of course everyone ignores you in the comments. ;) Well, I'll give you a thumb up.
@W0LV1E45
@W0LV1E45 6 жыл бұрын
Darth Bombad obviously since Haytham fanboys will defend him and wont see the error of their ways or sees it but refused to acknowledge it.
@BoyWonder1914
@BoyWonder1914 5 жыл бұрын
Brandon Owyong history likes to split the bill on who fired the first shot at the battles of Lexington & Concord. Some say the Patriots/Rebels fired first, some say it was the British. In either case it had nothing to do with Connor. He was busy helping Paul Revere with his ride and making sure Adams/Hancock had safe haven remember?
@Soup-Zeus42
@Soup-Zeus42 5 жыл бұрын
Random Guy thank you for defending Connor !!!🙏
@ytb2705
@ytb2705 5 жыл бұрын
Charles lee was a prick
@piersgroube4619
@piersgroube4619 6 жыл бұрын
Colonial Assassins: The tenets are more of a set of guidelines really... Shay: THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH! If you know what this is from, you're a legend
@Fizhy
@Fizhy 6 жыл бұрын
I get the joke. I think.
@chriscormac231
@chriscormac231 6 жыл бұрын
even funnier considering Gibbs IS Faulkner (same actor)
@demigodgamer8517
@demigodgamer8517 6 жыл бұрын
Aye Captain Barbossa.
@nomadicle6867
@nomadicle6867 6 жыл бұрын
Favorite movie of my time
@mattgates8865
@mattgates8865 6 жыл бұрын
Even more of a legend If you already knew that those two lines of dialogue are actually in two entirely separate scenes 😉
@blake4249
@blake4249 4 жыл бұрын
If we're being fair, in Revelations the dens display the Assassin insignia in plain view of the population and there was that one part where Ezio sort of poisoned an entire city of people with smoke to catch his target, breaking two of the tenets.
@ssjgreensamurai7348
@ssjgreensamurai7348 2 жыл бұрын
True I that was because they didn't have a real true mentor or that was just the start of the assassin's decline when It comes to following the creed and it's morals
@bouncer2074
@bouncer2074 Жыл бұрын
Masyaf also didn't shy away from proudly displaying assassin insignia in plain view
@bouncer2074
@bouncer2074 Жыл бұрын
He also caused an earthquake in an underground city, potentially causing multiple deaths and injuries, and definitely displacing a bunch of people
@MrTbomb52
@MrTbomb52 Жыл бұрын
​@@bouncer2074which ezio points out became a symbol for their enemies to attack and Altair realized this. Watch the last sequence of revelations and you will see this
@SignumInterriti
@SignumInterriti 5 жыл бұрын
There is another example for what you say: Aveline from AC Liberation. There are side missions in the game where she outright murders buiseness rivals to monopolize trade to New Orleans for her own company.
@Chet-mangod
@Chet-mangod 6 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Connor was doing what Ezio was doing in AC2. Ezio was out for revenge and wanted to kill the people responsible. When I was playing AC2, that was the only reason he was with the brotherhood.Of course that changes at the end of the game with the time jump from sequence 11-14, but Connor's main goal was freedom of the people because he knew sometime in the future, if he didn't stop the templars, no matter how good their ideals were then, that it would get corrupt down the line and restric the freedom of the people.
@Chet-mangod
@Chet-mangod 6 жыл бұрын
χρονης κ. First off, Ezio didn’t have a reason to kill people, he killed people just for revenge, and that is exactly what Connor did. Second, Connor’s village burned down and his mother died in front of him when he was like 4 because of the templars so he killed them. Connor did not kill anyone who wasn’t involved in the burning of his village. When I was playin AC2, Ezio killed a bunch of people who were barely involved in the execution of his family.
@Chet-mangod
@Chet-mangod 6 жыл бұрын
χρονης κ. Connor’s main theme of the game was freedom, he represented the good of the brotherhood. What the templar’s were doing were arguably good, but the put the freedom of the people at risk, they even were fighting with the British. Connor represents the Brotherhood well compared to the original assassins in the colonies.
@saintsrowandmasseffect4lif825
@saintsrowandmasseffect4lif825 6 жыл бұрын
more alpha nah ezio had a reason to kill the ppl he kills Connor killed his father for the reason he's a Templar so in short Connor is an asshole
@StridentBugle21
@StridentBugle21 6 жыл бұрын
more alpha
@RandomGuy-sb5ig
@RandomGuy-sb5ig 6 жыл бұрын
Saints row and mass effect 4 life Connor killed his father because he was trying to kill him and would have succeeded if Connor did not act or has everybody forgotten the fact that Haytham was choking the life out of Connor when he was killed. One of them was going to die and it was either Haytham or Connor and Connor like all humans wanted to survive and ended up having to kill his father to live.
@dasolemnvizitah4473
@dasolemnvizitah4473 4 жыл бұрын
Ezio didn't follow the Tenants either. He wore the Assassin's insignia on his stomach AND he let Rodrigo Borgia live which in turn GOT INNOCENTS KILLED. He's guilty of the same shit on a slightly lesser scale
@badreny
@badreny 4 жыл бұрын
But he was younger and he didn't kill him because he didn't see any reason. He said that killing him wouldn't bring his family back but yes he should have killed him
@swampwolfegaming1233
@swampwolfegaming1233 4 жыл бұрын
wearing the assassins logo on his uniform didnt mean that ezio broke the tennents almost all assassins have some form of identification on their uniform and if a templar sees someone in an assassins uniform they know that they are an assassin whereas with the assassin gangs they fly a flag which tells every templar that can see it that their is an assassin base there
@dasolemnvizitah4473
@dasolemnvizitah4473 4 жыл бұрын
@@swampwolfegaming1233 It's the same thing on a lesser scale. It still breaks the code
@swampwolfegaming1233
@swampwolfegaming1233 4 жыл бұрын
@@dasolemnvizitah4473 in that case pretty much every assassins breaks that tenant
@jazz265
@jazz265 3 жыл бұрын
Ezio didn't kill Rodrigo because he was a broken and defeated man and he wanted him to suffer with the pain of knowing his entire life's pursuit was in vain (a greater punishment than simply killing him) and as he tells Machiavelli the Templars still would've been a threat whether Rodrigo lived or died as they've been for the centuries, and most of the Templars exploits in AC Brotherhood were Cesare's doing not Rodrigo's (who was fine with leaving Ezio alone and spent most of the game behind the scenes trying to clean up Cesare's messes since he'd basically usurped him by that stage). What I find interesting is how many people overlook the fact that Rodrigo actually ensured Ezio's victory in Brotherhood (albeit indirectly) since his attempt to poison Cesare did leave him incapacitated for several months, leaving his soldiers directionless and allowing the Assassins to reclaim the Apple and dismantle Templar influence in Rome. However Ezio is more directly responsible for killing innocents in Cappadocia since he basically blew up the place just to deal with Manuel Palaiologos though he was intentionally a darker and more cynical character but I'm pretty sure that's what made him realize he'd been losing his way and inspired his choice to retire.
@Assassin99584
@Assassin99584 6 жыл бұрын
The colonial templars were better than the colonial assassins but Connor after the events of ac3 righted some of those mistakes
@UncleDaniel
@UncleDaniel 6 жыл бұрын
tbh, guards you kill... are... well... innocent. logicaly you should only kill your target...only.
@konstantine4817
@konstantine4817 6 жыл бұрын
Yes but sometimes they are Fcking annoying because when you free run they attack you....
@vanquishingrace5043
@vanquishingrace5043 6 жыл бұрын
Well generally speaking the guards are Templars too. For example in Unity, the guys in red are templars(So kill them lol) but the blue is just the police. I generally true to use non lethal methods on the police lol.
@lyn4739
@lyn4739 6 жыл бұрын
I don't really see the "innocent" part in guards that try to kill you, but maybe that's just me
@assassinscreedreallifepran1080
@assassinscreedreallifepran1080 6 жыл бұрын
They want to kill you...So KILL THEM!
@stevenritter8719
@stevenritter8719 6 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure somewhere in the tenets it says that you are allowed to kill those associated with Templars as a way to get around that.
@cjware316
@cjware316 6 жыл бұрын
I just love how much the Creed fits Connor tho.. Him being a native so having the beliefs he has seems believable and stereotypical from an outside view.. His biracial identity mirrors his feelings. And his anger from life is represented in his combat style, along with his native "monk" feel (Considering Corey May stated he was still a virgin) Altogether still one of my fav characters.. And still sucks he didnt show up in Unity as an older more weathered, world weary man, (Maybe with a beard? Lol) Missed opportunity imo.
@TheRockFan99
@TheRockFan99 6 жыл бұрын
CJ Ware I still remember when Unity was first announced and a whole bunch of people, including myself , thought we were going to play as Connor again since it was still close to the same time frame also a scene in AC 3 where someone tells Connor to come to France one day.
@eruditootidure2611
@eruditootidure2611 6 жыл бұрын
+Jorge Mendoza Yeah dude, I was expecting/hoping that Unity would be a Connor Sequel too. If you look at the first reveal-preview-thing for unity, it looks like they used Connor's model, too - no idea why, but it looks just like his profile.
@Open.Close.
@Open.Close. 6 жыл бұрын
CJ Ware I mean Connor to my knowledge is 12 years older than Arno so a game with both characters wouldn't be so far fetched.
@sirmarkalotsupreme1240
@sirmarkalotsupreme1240 6 жыл бұрын
If he went to france he might have died.
@eruditootidure2611
@eruditootidure2611 6 жыл бұрын
SIRMARKALOT SUPREME ...Ooookay....?
@fireshadowblade9
@fireshadowblade9 6 жыл бұрын
Some of Connor's assassinations were still pushed by Achilles though. Connor shows regret at having to kill some of the Templars, especially Haytham after working together, but Achilles assures him every time he questions it that he must die simply because he is a Templar. Yes, Connor is stubborn and follows his beliefs to the end, but Achilles, even after everything that happened in Rogue, is still back to his old ways twenty years later in 3.
@josemkay9272
@josemkay9272 5 жыл бұрын
The colonial assassin’s seemed to be more motivated by vengeance rather than justice and freedom, Achilles in particular.
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Fizhy---Connor never told Washington that he was an Assassin. He intended to do but he never got around to it. Or am I wrong.
@thtboirich_
@thtboirich_ 6 жыл бұрын
Broken Bridge no your right and fizhy is wrong 👎🏽
@ivannunezalvidrez2275
@ivannunezalvidrez2275 6 жыл бұрын
Thats correct, Connor intended to tell washington about the brotherhood and the templars, and Haytham completely disaproved it, saying that Washington was an incompetent leader, Connor did tell Washington only when he figured out that Washington had something to do with his village being burned and with Haytham when he explained that the templars wanted to buy the tribes land in order to secured it, he snaped on both of them and continued his separate way
@jinhunterslay1638
@jinhunterslay1638 6 жыл бұрын
"...when he explained that the templars wanted to buy the tribes land in order to secured it, he snaped on both of them and continued his separate way" wh-what !? WHY!? That sounds like great idea! The possible best solution for Connor's tribe!
@ivannunezalvidrez2275
@ivannunezalvidrez2275 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe, But they only wanted to "secure" it to find the precursor site rather than actually looking for the tribes safety, also Connor being an assassin has the ideology that there is nothing more important than life and freedom.
@modernhose
@modernhose 6 жыл бұрын
Yes you are right, Achilles once told connor not to involve Washington to Assassin's nor Templar's cause. Can't remember why
@freddurango
@freddurango 6 жыл бұрын
Connor redeemed the colonial assassin's
@Fizhy
@Fizhy 6 жыл бұрын
Connor was, from an assassin standpoint, fairly decent. It's really the Colonial Brotherhood before they're purged that gave the bad impressions.
@RobertEdwinHouse9
@RobertEdwinHouse9 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah Connor wasnt really A evil doer he was just an ignorant idiot
@jakesmith6859
@jakesmith6859 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah like when he bombed the coast of new york to kill one man?
@mattnorris7124
@mattnorris7124 6 жыл бұрын
I would say more naive than ignorant and to be honest, you can sort of understand him being a little more brash than other Assassin's before him, I mean watching your mother get burnt alive as a child is pretty fucking brutal and that anger that he harbors stays with him and contributes to his lack of thought in most scenarios.
@johnnydavenport7
@johnnydavenport7 6 жыл бұрын
he did is was the assassins failures before him that did it thats why achiles went into seclusion from all the fuck ups they caused
@Silverwind-bc2cr
@Silverwind-bc2cr 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that first tenant was against intentionally killing innocent people. I’m pretty sure they didn’t mean to cause the earthquake, but they still failed to listen to Shay, so I can still understand why that is there.
@khairilameer620
@khairilameer620 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it both? whether or not you directly or indirectly kill them, you still broke the first tenant.
@Silverwind-bc2cr
@Silverwind-bc2cr 2 жыл бұрын
@@khairilameer620 Good point
@khairilameer620
@khairilameer620 2 жыл бұрын
@@Silverwind-bc2cr Didn't expect you to reply on a 1 year comment lmao
@Silverwind-bc2cr
@Silverwind-bc2cr 2 жыл бұрын
@@khairilameer620 I try to check my notifications!😂
@whirlwindanimations5021
@whirlwindanimations5021 6 жыл бұрын
Im just happy that there are people to support Connor. Being my favourite assassin out of the series and being the reason that i started playing assassins creed in the first place, i like how there are others that like connor like i do and support what he does as a character.
@GilCAnjos
@GilCAnjos 6 жыл бұрын
What I don't like about AC Rogue is that AC3 and 4 handled the grey area in a great way. In AC2 and Brotherhood, the Templars were just power-hungry villains, with no redeeming cause, making for a very black-and-white story. Then AC3 brought back the grey story of AC1, with both Assassins and Templars having their pros and cons. Rogue was supposed to show off the greyest aspect of the Assassins, but instead, we just get another black-and-white story, but this time it's the Assassins who are the bad guys. The game is still pretty good, but the narrative was very rushed
@W0LV1E45
@W0LV1E45 6 жыл бұрын
ac4 is better. we got a wise templar grandmaster unlike ac3/rogue.
@BarryAllen__1A23
@BarryAllen__1A23 5 жыл бұрын
wolvie45 Wut? Haytham was unwise? What are you smoking? If haytham persuaded me to become a templar I would've joined his side.
@W0LV1E45
@W0LV1E45 5 жыл бұрын
@@BarryAllen__1A23 Haytham became like Birch and Braddock though not as worse as them. He blamed them for lying maniluplating, ruthless while he also showed those characteristics in his later life.
@Luckysgay
@Luckysgay 5 жыл бұрын
IMO the Templar’s were boring as shit in AC 4 in 3 Haytham was a fucking boss and his death was the most memorable for me out of any character
@thaneros
@thaneros 5 жыл бұрын
@@Luckysgay I can't remember any Templars from AC4 but can recall all from 3. Blackflag was overrated trash.
@XxHaythamKenwayxX
@XxHaythamKenwayxX 6 жыл бұрын
Shay was the only man in the Brotherhood with good common sense. He did the right thing, even if the Templars vied for total control - i don't believe Shay would align with that ideal. In essence, the Colonial Templars were good, the Colonial Assassins were bad. But look elsewhere in the world and there would be a different story. If Shay stayed in France, for example, I believe the Templars would have also tried to have him killed, or otherwise he would have defected following the death of De LaSerre and the damage that the Templars did to innocents (starving them, etc).
@tljoshh
@tljoshh 6 жыл бұрын
Well said
@joeypaquette436
@joeypaquette436 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah the assassin's were , shit at dere job dut the templates only did one bad thing at that time
@maximaldinotrap
@maximaldinotrap 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah but he was an idiot as well. Keep in mind that Achilles warned him that first civ artifacts were not to be taken lightly and what does Shay do? Just waltzes up to the thing and touches it. Although Achilles conveniently forgets that he said this and brain farts at the opportunity to call Shay out on not listening to his advice.
@tldoesntlikebread
@tldoesntlikebread 6 жыл бұрын
well What was Shay was supposed to do about that artifact? Could you pick up that artifact without touching it? Also it seemed like near the end they were intending to do the same thing as Shay did, that is until Achilles stopped it in reference to Shay.
@XxHaythamKenwayxX
@XxHaythamKenwayxX 6 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Ubisoft decided to make Unity's story better by having Shay work with Arno despite the murder of his father. I think that would be an interest story, more-so than what we had. It could develop Arno's character much better, and provide Shay with an extended story... and even a possible end. Personally I would make Arno hunt his father's killer, find out it was Shay, face Shay, and Shay and Arno agree to a truce to defeat the French Templars. Whether or not Shay dies is another area for debate, but it would work either way I feel.
@johnravenhawk8533
@johnravenhawk8533 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine the amount of guilt must have built up in Shay's mind after coming back from Lisbon
@swampwolfegaming1233
@swampwolfegaming1233 4 жыл бұрын
portugal
@dubstrap6095
@dubstrap6095 2 жыл бұрын
Shay was in Portugal
@johnravenhawk8533
@johnravenhawk8533 2 жыл бұрын
Ok , corrected it.
@honganhpham2729
@honganhpham2729 Жыл бұрын
@@swampwolfegaming1233 Lisbon is part of Portugal you idiot
@darthnater9731
@darthnater9731 Жыл бұрын
I can see that some people struggle with Geography because Lisbon is in Portugal. It’s the capital 😂😂😂
@angelbarrera2289
@angelbarrera2289 6 жыл бұрын
Altair kill the innocent old man in first game but he learned his lesson
@lilirose1195
@lilirose1195 6 жыл бұрын
No Connor wasn't bad ubisoft mentioned that Connor is the only Assassin who never killed innocents
@MelancholicRose
@MelancholicRose 6 жыл бұрын
Lili Rose so shelling New York didn't kill anyone?
@zachantes1161
@zachantes1161 6 жыл бұрын
Rin Clovis You mean the shelling by the British? You know, the army led by Templars?
@hoodedph4ntom202
@hoodedph4ntom202 6 жыл бұрын
Templars were not allied with the British in 3.
@fjames69
@fjames69 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah you even get desynced if you don’t skin an animal you kill
@Tristen452TubeGaming
@Tristen452TubeGaming 6 жыл бұрын
Frank James wtf are u talking about
@wyattcheramie004
@wyattcheramie004 6 жыл бұрын
A flag was on the Jackdaw with an assassin symbol too.
@jinhunterslay1638
@jinhunterslay1638 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, Edward only joined the Assassin at the very end, and even then he only joined them by "fighting on their side" not "fighting like an Assassin" After all, not Assassins members are....well, assassins. Edward only became an official Assassin and eventually a Master Assassin after returning to England
@alexanderchristopher6237
@alexanderchristopher6237 5 жыл бұрын
Well, they're pirates. What do you expect from them?
@matthewcrane5294
@matthewcrane5294 4 жыл бұрын
Doggoh that’s just a stupid thing to say🤣
@swampwolfegaming1233
@swampwolfegaming1233 4 жыл бұрын
yes but a flag out at sea is much harder to notice than a flag in land and the Jackdaw was so formidable that most naval captains would have known who captained her already so the use of a flag to identify the Jackdaw is petty much useless
@nexyourbae6752
@nexyourbae6752 2 жыл бұрын
Also the Assassins Bureau in AC Black Flag are literally on the outdoor, no hidden place like Ac 1 😂
@yjiokhi4479
@yjiokhi4479 5 жыл бұрын
Ezio also broke all three tenants. In Revelations, he killed an innocent with his blade, Tarik Barleti. In the first game, when his family was executed, instead of hiding in plain sight, he tries to rush Uberto by screaming at him and threatening him. Finally, he compromised the brotherhood at the end of the first game. Had he killed Rodrigo at the Vault, Cesare would have had no funds to lead an attack against Monterrigioni and the main base of the Assassin's would have been safe.
@billybutcher8309
@billybutcher8309 3 жыл бұрын
Yeahhhhhh buuuuuut one thingggg He’s Ezio he’s like Amazing Jk ur totally right he broke all 3 😂
@ChadSpittingTruth
@ChadSpittingTruth 2 жыл бұрын
And? Whats your point? Of course ezio faced Uberto instead of hiding like a little b1tch, its ezio. I mean, they literally executed his two brothers and his dad right in front of him, and the reason to that was Uberto. Of course he was not gonna just hide or stare... And btw, have you even played the ezio games? Cause you sound clueless. You know ezio didn't kill Rodrigo in the first game, right? And no, killing Rodrigo would have solved nothing, even ezio says it himself, killing one person in not gonna solve anything. In fact, the situation would have been much worse if he killed him. The attack to Monteriggioni was gonna happen anyway because in fact that actually is a historical fact, it actually happened.
@ace0719
@ace0719 2 жыл бұрын
When uberto was being rushed ezio wasn't an assassin and killing over your murdered family is kinda understandable not right but understandable. I got nothing for rodrigo that was a stupid call
@m1co294
@m1co294 Жыл бұрын
@@ace0719 he wore Assassin's robes and beared an Assassin's weapons. He may not have been a true fully-fledged Assassin at the time but he certainly gave the impression to Uberto that he was one. Not to mention he still broke it later on anyway when he assassinates Uberto in the open.
@RandomBruv65
@RandomBruv65 Жыл бұрын
He didn't even know what assassin meant at that time
@lutzvonnemesis5935
@lutzvonnemesis5935 5 жыл бұрын
You forgot one essential thing about the 2nd tennant: (hide in plain sight)... They look like they are in a cosplay as compared to the civilians lol... At least Shay's Templar outfits are better doing that job of hiding in plain sight. 2nd point: I think that the colonial brotherhood was flawed mainly because of Achilles Davenport, (the so called mentor). In Rogue, if I'm not mistaken, Adewale gets killed due to his association with Achilles and Shay recognises that "he is a good man". Last important point: as you say Connor gets the brotherhood to reform after AC3 (after Achilles death, when Connor stars thinking by himself and stops being brainwashed by Achilles).
@abdurrazzaque2070
@abdurrazzaque2070 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, why doesn't this have many likes?
@spaghetti0s115
@spaghetti0s115 6 жыл бұрын
This makes Arno look good Plus he has the coolest outfits
@GodsTodd
@GodsTodd 6 жыл бұрын
Spaghetti0s yup
@caden_t_k1384
@caden_t_k1384 5 жыл бұрын
I think ezio and Connor have the best outfits
@kattharsismic
@kattharsismic 5 жыл бұрын
1)AC2 Ezio 2)Arno's outfits 3)Connor outfit 4)ACB Ezio 5)Altair This is my personal top 5 outfits
@pissgod6289
@pissgod6289 3 жыл бұрын
@@kattharsismic 1)Altair 2)ACR Ezio 3)Edward 4)ACB Ezio 5)Arno (if we count the other outfits Arno is 1 as he has a Altair and Ezio(ACB Ezio) and Edward outfit
@badreedinedjellali1328
@badreedinedjellali1328 3 жыл бұрын
actually when Arno brings elis the assassin leader actually leasing to Arno and trusted her and he was even going to make peace with the templers so there leader he was okay
@guilherme5094
@guilherme5094 6 жыл бұрын
All the brotherhood make mistakes, but the colonial they were dangerous people.
@ChrisPBacon-xn9up
@ChrisPBacon-xn9up 6 жыл бұрын
Félix A.G Wow! Amazing deduction!
@guilherme5094
@guilherme5094 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, send me a medal.
@hanh6822
@hanh6822 5 жыл бұрын
wow 100 000 death mistake :)
@adrianshilling1878
@adrianshilling1878 5 жыл бұрын
Waaoo Baaoo naw we can all agree they did that shit the the fun lol
@hanh6822
@hanh6822 5 жыл бұрын
@@adrianshilling1878 ahaha
@deelaw.
@deelaw. 2 жыл бұрын
I know every shits on Conner but he’s genuinely one of my favourite characters in his later life he understands how naive he was during the events of ac3 and does his best to reconcile his past actions. I think the change happened in him after Haythems death or at least when he reflected upon it.
@soulstalker4624
@soulstalker4624 4 жыл бұрын
Connor was mistaken because he was driven by revenge, he only wanted to kill Charles Lee in a way, but saw that he had to kill Haythams associates first. In my opinion, John Pitcairn was the only templar (Alongside Haytham) that had a point, Pitcairn didn't want to kill people, he wanted a protest/conference in order to settle things up with the colonies. Other associates had bad points, Thomas Hickey and Nicolas Biddle being two of them, but at the end it was Connor who made several mistakes. Remember when Haytham read the letter from Washington and Connor said "How I don't know you've been holding this information from me"? Well, even if Haytham told him early, Connor woulda wind up saying "You're just trying to turn me against the assassin's". Now, I honestly think Haytham became less mercyless as he grew up older, seen that he started killing men who didn't needed to be killed, yet, he is still correct in his ways since by what we know, Connor has killed many redcoats before. Edit: There is also a funny fact and that is that Achilles never told Connor about what the previous Assassins did or the mistakes of them, this is seen when Connor is imprisoned in New York and Charles Lee tells him "I tought we eliminated all of your kind" Connor mistook "kind" as race, thinking Charles was talking about the Mohawk, but Charles Lee meant to the colonial Assassins
@undefined1022
@undefined1022 6 жыл бұрын
Ezio Altair and Shay actually seemed like the creed was their life blood and did everything as an assassin because that was their identity. And shay treated templarism with a sense of that too. I miss the feel of assassins creed almost being a religous experience rather than, ahhh fuck templars kill kill kill, were retarded ahhhh
@ChadSpittingTruth
@ChadSpittingTruth 2 жыл бұрын
You mean killing people (a few of them innocent people) is a "religious experience"? Ok...
@parkerjohnson1280
@parkerjohnson1280 6 жыл бұрын
"TRY TO BE SHITTY AT YOUR JOB" 😂😂THAT WAS THE HARDEST YOU EVER MADE ME LAUGH ETHAN HA YOUR A SWEET BOI
@DLYoung-bu5ui
@DLYoung-bu5ui 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Achilles was influenced by Adewale early on in his training. And Adewale was Edward Kenway's quartermaster for a while before becoming a member of the Assassin's. And it is not like Kenway was a good role model in terms of an Assassin while Adewale was his quartermaster. So given that, it is not difficult to see how Achilles could have easily allowed the Colonial Brotherhood to stray from the original tenets of the creed.
@jackdowd9449
@jackdowd9449 5 жыл бұрын
8:01 he realizes the american revolution actually happened right
@agentj3627
@agentj3627 4 жыл бұрын
What, in his speech, indicated he doesn't? He says that it *might* have been avoided in *this* universe.
@dannybenhur6123
@dannybenhur6123 4 жыл бұрын
Haytham Kenway feels like the James Bond of Assassin's creed...it's sad that we didn't get a full game from him...
@shrikefenris6844
@shrikefenris6844 6 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced that Achilles took advantage of Connor's naivety, lust for vengeance for the murder of his mother, and the desperate need to protect his tribe. I think Achilles saw that fire within him and just gave him a little push all for the sake of getting back at the Templars. Luckily, by the end of Connor's game he finally sees how fucked things were and decided/tried to reform the Colonial Brotherhood. (Or at least I like to think that since Ubishit decided to piss on that idea even though it showed great potential. Hell they could have a game where he pretty much leaves the whole Assassin life behind. I think that'd be interesting. Not like betraying the Creed more like abandoning it but that's just me. )
@ivannunezalvidrez2275
@ivannunezalvidrez2275 6 жыл бұрын
For what i saw in the game, by the time Connor first arrives to the Davenport Manor Achilles has pretty much abandon the assassins and is quite beaten by life and by the events of Rogue, Connor gave Achilles a chance to redeem himself and the brotherhood, to do things right and build the brotherhood as it should had been from the get go, Achilles ends up seeing in Connor the son he wished he had, so pretty much Achilles trains and treats Connor as a father would, "Tough Love" for the sake of Connor, the brotherhood and in memory of all the assassins who died in Rogue
@shrikefenris6844
@shrikefenris6844 6 жыл бұрын
Ivan nuñez Alvidrez I could see that too. Although that just doesn't knock out one of the points of why I think Achilles manipulated him; if Achilles saw Connor as his chance at redemption then why didn't he teach him the three simple rules of not killing the innocent, being stealthy, and never compromising the brotherhood? We never really see Achilles teach him that.
@ivannunezalvidrez2275
@ivannunezalvidrez2275 6 жыл бұрын
i see your point, it is hard to see it but i see where you are going to, i mean Achilles by any means wanted train or help Connor with absolutely anything, until he saw he was capable of actually do something about avenging his family, go through the training and pretty much complete the entire assassin training, maybe there Achilles realized that Connor was more than capable to do real damage to the Templar order and bring the Colonial Chapter back up to its feet.
@TheSoCalledZoner1
@TheSoCalledZoner1 3 жыл бұрын
@@shrikefenris6844 stop hating on the templars
@jonathanpilcher337
@jonathanpilcher337 3 жыл бұрын
@@shrikefenris6844 he literally does, he teaches connor everything wdym
@FuzzyFoot227
@FuzzyFoot227 6 жыл бұрын
I like how Connor can run a better Brotherhood than Achilles the well trained assassin... And I'm fairly certain Connor didn't reveal himself as an assassin to George...
@gleny9640
@gleny9640 4 жыл бұрын
11:03 The first tenet of the assassins:*exists* Connor: Let’s kill doggo
@dasquirrel451
@dasquirrel451 2 жыл бұрын
It's the only domestic animal cuz it reveals their location. If you have ac3, try killing a cow or street dog
@danomyte67
@danomyte67 6 жыл бұрын
Hang on, ima point out some details in the assassin's defense. First I'm sure the assassin's didn't realize they were causing earthquakes, cause at the end of rogue liam wondered if they found an apple of eden, implying they were simply trying 2 look for the apples, otherwise they would've never touched the stuff. Second they didn't believe shay cause he was acting wacko, while he was on thin ice with them. Third the assassin gangs showing off their insignia was no from the first game when masyaf used them as flags. Finally there HAVE been other historical figures who have known about the whole secret war. The Templars are no more innocent, but this comment is already crazy long as it is.
@danomyte67
@danomyte67 6 жыл бұрын
Not even sure if anyone will reply 2 this
@Bulls3ye86
@Bulls3ye86 6 жыл бұрын
You used sound reason and facts, to refute a heavily biased video. Of course they wont respond. ;)
@thesurvivlist5440
@thesurvivlist5440 5 жыл бұрын
No, during rogue when Adewale came back at the beginning, Adewale explains what happened when he found and tried to take the precurser artifact but achiles still sent Shay, a new recruit, to get another one
@alexanderchristopher6237
@alexanderchristopher6237 5 жыл бұрын
Well, Masyaf was a known Assassin stronghold even in our historical timeline. It was destroyed by the son/grandson of Genghis Khan, I forgot which one.
@Mr.Crawlyo
@Mr.Crawlyo 4 жыл бұрын
As ezio said: "you contain something you do not understand"
@pedroluiz2516
@pedroluiz2516 4 жыл бұрын
I think this also extends to European assasins. Let's remember how dogmatic was the france brotherhood, and the england brotherhood (Syndicate) practically leaving Henry alone to deal with the templars.
@TotallyToonsTV
@TotallyToonsTV 5 жыл бұрын
I dare say Connor is the only Colonial Assassin I can think of that achieves any kind of clarity and wisdom by the end of his adventure. At least he doesn't remain ignorant his whole life (which pains me even more when I listen back to his cut speech from AC3. Ubi REALLY should have kept that in).
@harukinakamura6630
@harukinakamura6630 4 жыл бұрын
I think Connor will be a better mentor than Achilles ever was. He would train his students under the right principles he believes in, and maybe even some of his father's principles since you can see in Connor's speech he had deep respects for his dad even if he was a templar. He will be the one to forge a new colonial brotherhood much better than the one Achilles had.
@isaiahrivero2622
@isaiahrivero2622 6 жыл бұрын
I can agree on the fact the Colonial Brotherhood didn't have the brotherhood values at their core, they were more extreme and were to focus on keeping the artifacts from the Templar's then fighting for the people. But at the same time (SOME) of their actions are understandable. 1. The gangs of New York had the Assassin symbol on their flags, bad idea (yes) but it shows that the Colonial Brotherhood "CB" were overconfident, pretty much saying "hey were over here if you want to fight" to the Templar's which they probably already knew. 2. CB not believing in shay after he destroyed a city and then tried to kill him. Well shay was still a young recruit into the brotherhood and they probably thought he did something wrong, and when shay was taking the manuscript (in Achilles eyes) that's knowledge to important to lose or fall into wrong hands so they were willing to do anything. But in the end it was Achilles fault For not sending Liam with shay, and for not just sitting down with shay and listing to him. (well Achilles did lose his family so understandable why he was in a bad mood). 3. Connor killing the Templar's and starting a war. Well Connor only did what he was told by Achilles "to kill the Templars" which did kind of start a war, but in the end it was better for America because they weren't under the Templars influence. 4. "Assassin Pride" which is very true they all had it but what do you suspect? if you are constantly being told "you are the Good guys". After all i feel like AC 3 and Rogue main points was trying to show us AC is not as black and white as we think it is. The Assassins and Templars aren't perfect, both sides have flaws and great thing about them. The Colonial Brotherhood was like the italian brotherhood until Ezio restarted it over with the assassin main values, which happened when connor took over it.
@ridgedog2317
@ridgedog2317 6 жыл бұрын
The assassins in Rogue are corrupt. I'm glad Shay was able to see through them, and joined the Templar's.
@syv5013
@syv5013 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah Colonial Brotherhood under Achilles is similar to Al Muallim in Masyaf (AC1) & Bellec in France (AC: Unity)
@nubnubdubdeh
@nubnubdubdeh 3 жыл бұрын
Bayek wouldn't be happy rn
@brandonflaherty131
@brandonflaherty131 5 жыл бұрын
Somebody sounds like a templar
@joshuakhalilcandaza4322
@joshuakhalilcandaza4322 5 жыл бұрын
Best comment so far.
@watashinihayumegaarimasu7609
@watashinihayumegaarimasu7609 4 жыл бұрын
Considering Templars are the wisest and smartest of the two, that's a good thing.
@brandonflaherty131
@brandonflaherty131 4 жыл бұрын
@@watashinihayumegaarimasu7609 Howd that end in AC3?
@watashinihayumegaarimasu7609
@watashinihayumegaarimasu7609 4 жыл бұрын
@@brandonflaherty131 it ended in death for the colonial Templars, what's your point?
@watashinihayumegaarimasu7609
@watashinihayumegaarimasu7609 4 жыл бұрын
Connor was just too strong for the Templars, although an old ass Haytham kicked his ass, and also, Haytham *let* Connor kill him, I don't think a genius tactician with the intention of winning would choke a man to death when he has hidden blades that he could use to kill Connor right then and there.
@conordouglas7469
@conordouglas7469 6 жыл бұрын
I've got to agree with you here, the colonial assassins did seem very twisted, but to me anyway, Connor's actions were misguided more so than the assassins in rogue. The assassins in rogue were just arseholes and, as you put it, too proud to see their mistakes. However it always seemed to me that Connor was manipulated by Achilles; Connor joined the order because he was angry about his mothers death and blamed Charles lee for it, which is fair enough I guess, but it was Achilles who told Connor to seek out all the Templars and kill them, even his on dad, to me, this is because Achilles still could not let go of his defeat and humiliation so he used Connor to get his revenge. Don't get me wrong, Connor was arrogant and naïve but not a bad guy, the speech they removed from the end of ac3 definitely showed that he understood the error of his ways, but with it being removed he just seemed like a fool.
@chadbowman938
@chadbowman938 6 жыл бұрын
I think that Connor throughout his life was being used by everybody. They knew that Connor only wanted to protect his people and avenge the death of his mother. Connor was used by the Sons of Liberty, Achilles, among many other people, because they knew that he was noble wanted to protect his people so they used that to their advantage.Connor was also a little bit of a brute and a brilliant fighter, so everybody wanted him on their side because he could kill just about everybody.
@conordouglas7469
@conordouglas7469 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed, you've hit the nail on the head there. Connor does seem to change towards the end of the game though as he mentions to Achilles the idea that the assassins and Templars could unite; Connor and Haytham may have actually made a brilliant coalition, but Achilles dissuades him of this, we all know how it went from there..
@nathanielclaw2841
@nathanielclaw2841 6 жыл бұрын
yeah, not gonna lie, in the end of the game when connor is leaving the homestead his face says it all. he did all of that just to the world to spit on his face. at least he got his own mini community of friends, and the new assassins he trained, that he will probably teach to make sure they dont go through the same path
@Pissicist2394
@Pissicist2394 6 жыл бұрын
Conor Douglas if ubisoft included connors speech in AC 3 i think he wouldve been a fan favorite
@voodoodolll
@voodoodolll 6 жыл бұрын
"the speech they removed from the end of ac3 definitely showed that he understood the error of his ways," I haven't heard of this. What did Ubi remove exactly from the ending?
@allanmhanson
@allanmhanson 5 жыл бұрын
That’s why Shay is my hero ❤️ Connor came to fix Achilles mess I love him too ♥️
@BVR2451
@BVR2451 3 жыл бұрын
Shay would be proud of Connor
@aljazslemc9569
@aljazslemc9569 2 жыл бұрын
It makes sense that one of the most isolated assassin's brotherhoods would stray from the creed and begin acting as its own echo chamber. When it took so long to get there, i bet they weren't in constant contact with London or Paris, and those had enough on their hands with the french revolution and Napoleon.
@brendonraw2681
@brendonraw2681 4 жыл бұрын
I always assumed things like the flags and constantly wearing very distinctive outfits was simply a gameplay thing, and not representative as to how it actually happened. I think in AC1 (its been a while some maybe I am wrong) they mention that the animus works like a VR game, taking the memories and making them an interactive (within limits) experience, rather then a really immersive movie. Perhaps the animus is simply replacing the constant changing of outfits for a single set of clothes (for the same reason it doesn't bother to show sleeping/eating/bathroom/etc. It could also be replacing the subtle hidden signs assassins use to identify themselves and their hideouts for the blatent flags as a way to convey the location/identity of assassins to the user, who would have the training or experience to recognize them in reality.
@mjstege6881
@mjstege6881 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never played rogue, but Adewale was great in black flag. (as a character and as a person) He realized Edward was greedy and only cared about wealth and fame, not caring about who he hurt, and he realized he was complicit in that. When he realized that, he left and joined the assassins.
@ghostdivision7
@ghostdivision7 6 жыл бұрын
The Colonial Brotherhood was written as a bunch of bastards, making it easier for the player to fight and kill them later on.
@ghostdivision7
@ghostdivision7 6 жыл бұрын
Yep
@ziratheape3061
@ziratheape3061 6 жыл бұрын
aquilles??
@drfreshey
@drfreshey 3 жыл бұрын
Ubisoft should have made another game with Connor, Aveline, or even both as the main characters. We only got to see really the first part of that story, and I think we would see them differently if we got to watch the full reformation of the Colonial Brotherhood.
@TheLatiosnlatias02
@TheLatiosnlatias02 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know about you, but I feel Connor and Arno deserve a sequel. How about some ideas? I could consider a sequel which would take place in Australia which I would call Assassins' Creed Down Under where 2 can be playable - Connor and Arno where they will band together to stop the Templars, convicts banished from Great Britain to Australia and stop slavery in Colonial America and Australia. Then Connor (in Achilles' robes) along with his recruits join Djarrjuntjun, Aveline, Eliza, Robert Faulkner and Arno in the fight against James Cook and the templars who seek to colonise Australia. There will be iconic Red Rock, Sydney, Adelaide, Swan River Colony (now called Perth), Van Dieman's Land (now called Tasmania) and Canberra. The start of the story will be Faulkner and Connor bringing his recruits, Aveline and Eliza on the Aquila to Australia. A flood of memories came to him. "It's all a matter of perspective. There is no single path through life that's right and fair and does no harm." "Your meddling in the revolution has caused us no small measure of grief. It cannot continue. Our work is too important." came another. "Do you think that good King George lies awake at night hoping that no harm comes to his native subjects? Or that the people of the city care one whit about them? Oh, sure, the colonists are happy to trade when they need food or shelter or a bit of extra padding for their armies. But when the walls of the city constrict - when there's crops that need soil - when there's... when there's no enemy to fight - we'll see how kind the people are then." "Thing is, boy, I can have what I seek. Had it, even. You? Your hands will always be empty." "And we should live forever on castles in the sky." "In your haste to save the world, boy - take care you don't destroy it!" "The people never have the power. Only the illusion of it. And here's the real secret: they don't want it. The responsibility is too great to bear. It's why they're so quick to fall in line as soon as someone takes charge. They want to be told what to do. They yearn for it." Upon arriving at Hawkesbury River, Connor and his allies witnessed the Indigenous clan under attack by European invaders. - - Connor's story - - 1779 Connor assassinates James Cook while his recruits (Stephane, Clipper, Duncan, Deborah, etc...) combat against the incoming wave of enemies led 1782 Connor helped freed an Aboriginal Australian assassin of Gumatj tribe whom I'll name Djarrjuntjun might have a similar past like Connor, hailed from Southern parts of Western Australia. 27th January 1788 - Connor, and his allies combat Jack Weeks and the templars who displaced a group of convicts at Sydney Cove. The recruits dealt with the convicts. 6th February 1788, The women convicts came ashore. There followed a ‘scene of debauchery and riot’, accompanied by a violent thunderstorm. Deborah and Aveline faced the women convicts who were involved in the massacre of Aboriginal Australians. 21st May 1788 - Djarrjuntjun killed a consvict and seriously injured another. 31st December 1788 - Because the Aboriginal Australians could not be coaxed into the settlement, Djarrjuntjun begged Connor and his allies that one named Arabanoo was captured and held in confinement. Phillip hoped to learn his language and so to promote good relations between Aboriginal Australians and Europeans. They assassins was about to free Arabanoo until they discovered him being a traitor. Connor and Arno went on top of Australia's Red Rock where they met the spirits of his ma, his childhood friend, Altair, Haytham, Edward, Adewale, Bellec, Ezio, Arno's pa, Achilles and Elise. 1789 - Connor assassinated Arabanoo and questioned him as to why he sided with the Europeans. The Second Fleet. Connor faced an Irish templar in combat named Caingneach O'Brien with similar intentions as William Johnson who sought to purchase lands to keep them safe. Caingneach sought to purchase the lands to keep the Aboriginal Australian safe. Before Connor assassinated him, this time, he decided to question Caingneach for his reasons and his intentions. He decided to spare him. Then Shay, George Bass, Jack Weeks, George Johnston and Thomas Townshend, 1st Viscount Sydney would imprison him for disobeying an order. 1791 - The Third Fleet. 1793 - Connor and Arno vs. Shay Cormac and freed Caingneach O'Brien. 1794 - Hawkesbury and Nepean Wars and Lady Shore Mutiny. 14 December 1799 - Connor assassinated George Washington, to avenge the village. - - Arno's story - - 30 June 1800 - Arno assassinated Thomas Townshend, 1st Viscount Sydney. 1801 - Following the discovery of Kangaroo Island by Flinders, lawless sealers known as "Straitsmen" came to the island. Their main work was hunting seals and whales. Connor, Arno, Aveline, Eliza, the recruits defended the seals and whales from the convicts. Once they had become established on the island, to satisfy their need for wives the sealers kidnapped Aboriginal women from Tasmania and the mainland and brought them there. Djarrjuntjun, Connor, Arno, Eliza, Aveline and the recruits fought against the criminal gang who kidnapped the Aboriginal women. Caingneach warned them about those wanting to settle in South Australia. Connor and Arno gave him the permission to buy the lands. Unlike William Johnson, Caingneach was successful in purchasing South Australia. 5th February 1803 - Arno assassinated George Bass. 4 and 5 March 1804 - Connor, Arno and their allies fought the templars led by George Johnston throughout the Castle Hill Convict Rebellion. At that time Connor went to free a handful of slaves in Colonial America and Australia. 26 January 1808 - The Rum Rebellion was instigated. 3 September 1808 - Arno assassinated Philip Gidley King. 1 January 1810 - Rum Rebellion ended. 21 June 1810 - Arno assassinated William Paterson only to discover Jack Weeks . 19th July 1814 - Arno assassinated Matthew Flinders. 31st August 1814 - Arno assassinated Arthur Phillip for his involvement in the colonisation of Australia, the massacre of Aboriginal Australians and for turning Arabanoo against his own people. 1816 - Hawkesbury and Nepean Wars ended with dispossession of land of the indigenous clans 1820 - Arno assassinated George III 1st July 1824 - Arno assassinated Lachlan Macquerie. 1829 - Connor, Aveline, Djarrjuntjun, Caingneach, Arno and the recruits helped liberated Swan River Colony from James Stirling and the templars led by Cudgel Cormac as well as the convicts. With this done, Caingneach managed to purchase Western Australia. 1830 - Bathurst Rebellion October 1830 - Arno assassinated Patrick Logan only to find Cudgel and Jack Weeks executed Caingneach for his ties with the assassins. 30 April 1831 - Arno assassinated Collet Barker. 11 April 1834 - Arno assassinated John Macarthur. 5th January 1838 - Arno assassinated Jack Weeks for allowing the convicts and the mass murder of Aboriginal Australians. 3 February 1847 - Arno assassinated Sir John Eardley-Wilmot, 1st Baronet. 1863 - Connor, his recruits met Eliza and who band together to face Cudgel Cormac and the templars from Colonial America and Ireland. 5 January 1823 - Connor assassinated George Johnston. In 1823, Brisbane sent Lieutenant John Oxley to find a new site for convicts who were repeat offenders. Oxley discovered a large river flowing into Moreton Bay. A year later, the first convicts arrived at Moreton Bay. Brisbane visited the settlement in December 1824. Oxley suggested that both the river and the settlement be named after Brisbane. The convict settlement was declared a town in 1834 and opened to free settlement in 1839. 1828 - Connor assassinated John Oxley. 4 June 1848 - Arno assassinated William Sorell. 12 August 1855 - Connor assassinated Richard Bourke. 2 April 1858 - Connor assassinated Ralph Darling. 27 January 1860 - Arno assassinated the final templar - Thomas Brisbane. - - Side missions - - Connor, Arno, Eliza, Aveline, Djarrjuntjun and the others help the freed slaves build a huge town where Aboriginal Australians, Irish, Scottish, English, Africans, Native Americans, Maoris, Polynesians and Indigenous Taiwanese (all freed slaves and survivors of persecution) live together in harmony and security - near Red Rock, The Humps, Walga Rock, Mount Wudinna or the southwestern parts of Australia. Connor brings his daughter to the newly built village Liberation of slavery across - Australia (including Tasmania), Colonial America. Arno visits his pa's grave. Connor getting remarried to Deborah. Naval battles against British ships. Side missions, rescuing and feeding the roos, koalas, cats, dogs, birds, platypus, snakes, spiders, crocodiles, wombats, whales, dolphins, ostriches, casowary.
@dominicbitah7771
@dominicbitah7771 5 жыл бұрын
I think the reason the assasins in ac rogue were obvious was because shay knows how to identify an assassin
@studio_1
@studio_1 6 жыл бұрын
I said it in Lazerzz Video and i'll say it again. The colonial Assassin's were shit...but it makes sense. Think about it. There's so many countries and so many Brotherhood's in the world that one of them just had to screw everything up. We as people aren't perfect. There's many of us that would rather bend around a few rules instead of follow them. Am i saying they're in the right for this? NO!! What i'm trying to say is the Assassin's aren't perfect. Altair broke the three tenats, Edward killed Assassin's before becoming one, and Connor was never meant to be an Assassin and became the shitlord we know him today. I enjoy this being a factor in the series because if the Assassin's were always doing the right thing 100% of the time, that wouldn't be very realistic. But yes I agree with you and James in every way. Just wanted to throw this out. Keep up the great work Fizhy.
@Fizhy
@Fizhy 6 жыл бұрын
Cheers for the support man! The video isn't a criticism, I'm just pointing it out for what it is. I'm sure this extremist look was intentional.
@studio_1
@studio_1 6 жыл бұрын
Fizhy I love overthinking stuff like this, but I always thought this theory made too much sense. Thanks for the reply Dude.
@jthompson1327
@jthompson1327 6 жыл бұрын
Don't stop there. The French assassins were assholes too
@mattnorris7124
@mattnorris7124 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Bellec was a fucking pisspot
@reaux4980
@reaux4980 6 жыл бұрын
I agree, but I wouldn't say Connor is a shitlord, well at least not canonically. He was the only assassin never to kill a civilian, and initiated a rebirth of the order. As a character he had a lot of issues but he was by no means awful; and you can see Ubisoft tried to do something different
@SamVarvodic
@SamVarvodic 4 жыл бұрын
Take a shot every time he says "assassins".
@imaginationmaddness2176
@imaginationmaddness2176 4 жыл бұрын
We'd all pass out
@moastew1140
@moastew1140 Жыл бұрын
I've always liked the idea of an extremist branch of the Assassin Brotherhood. It gives back the moral ambiguity of the Assassin-Templar war that earlier games tried to explore. Al Mualim from the first game is already a perfect blueprint for a compelling AC villain.
@paullicursi6910
@paullicursi6910 4 жыл бұрын
Altair: I'm gonna change my code to fit my situation and for my own safety... Everyone: bravo master assassin good motive Connor im gonna change my code to fit my situation and to protect my people hell I'll even sacrifice myself :) Everyone: BaD ChArAcTeR!!!
@Mrchern-io8nu
@Mrchern-io8nu 4 жыл бұрын
tf are talking about? Altair changed the creed to fit his situation only in the beginning of the game, ffs the whole game is about Altair realizing he was wrong and changing for the better as an assassin and as human being while Connor doesn't give a crap about the creed, all his deeds are purely about revenge and unlike Ezio, who's motivation was basically the same at first, he doesn't change at all, at least not in the game
@nikopogo1
@nikopogo1 4 жыл бұрын
"Durrr we didn't kill people,the earthquake did" But let me try to defend Connor for a bit(cause i like him). Yeah he has done stupid things like revealing the assassins to Washington,but skill wise,he is a golden example of an assassin. And he managed to bring the creed back to life.
@dionisakissakis2297
@dionisakissakis2297 6 жыл бұрын
i agree 100% with all you said,but they're not the only example we have of assassins breaking the creed's tenets.Ezio from revelation killed innocents 5 times in the game. 1.Ezio trying to get into that janisary fort.Ezio in order to enter the fort made civilients break the front door for him,wich signaled ottoman soldiers to come and attack them.there's no way many people didn't die there. 2.Ezio killing Tarik without really knowing what he's up to 3.Ezio blowing up a cave 4.Ezio burning an entire fleet in wich probably there were some innocents(and even if there weren't it was somewhat fucked up,ezio in his younger days saved a bad guy from being burned alive by quickly stabbing him) 5.Ezio exploading a lighthouse.
@flowie4271
@flowie4271 6 жыл бұрын
Watch his top 5 examples of assassins breaking the tenets, you see that he puts ezio there
@theflash1478
@theflash1478 6 жыл бұрын
Flowie Altair did the same thing Broke the tenets of creed he even killed a innocent old man at the beginning of the game so
@Yaboysmoke22
@Yaboysmoke22 6 жыл бұрын
Dionisis Makrigiannis true ezio did probably kill 5 innocent people but he didnt kill 100 thousand innocent people like the american assassins.
@albo3989
@albo3989 6 жыл бұрын
Dionisis Makrigiannis ezio killed an entire city in revelations
@whensue9386
@whensue9386 6 жыл бұрын
Would you rather have a dude screaming in pain as he dies slowly on a burning stake, or have him die quickly so that he may have no pain, the choice is yours..
@jamesiswashed3092
@jamesiswashed3092 6 жыл бұрын
Adewale is Way to underrated he's one of my favorite assassins he couldnt to much damage tho, but he was more like a maroon leader
@wafflingmean4477
@wafflingmean4477 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Chivalier is an exaggerated example of one of the two greatest issues with the whole Brotherhood. Chivalier was an arrogant and cruel man who seemed more interested in exploring and looting than actually being an Assassin. But unlike Edward, Chivalier was extremely prideful of his role as an Assassin, and extremely aggressively belittled Shay for not living up to the Brotherhood when Chivalier himself regularly spat in its face. There is only one way I see the Brotherhood accepting a man like this and giving him so much power. Family. We know Assassins traditionally train their children and induct them into the Brotherhood. That's almost certainly how Chivalier was brought in. And we know he came from an incredibly rich and prestigious French family. They must have also been Assassisn. So essentially the Assassins awarded an incredibly high rank to a spoiled brat (with a completely delusional sense of righteousness) just because of his wealth and family ties. At the exact same time, the Assassins *completely* ignored the protege they had at their disposal. That was Shay. It's obvious that Shay is their most skilled operative given that he received no additional training after defecting and yet managed to slaughter the entire Colonial Brotherhood. Their issue with him is that he lacks discipline and wisdom, but all they do is belittle him and point that out, rather than actually educating and training him. And this demonstrates the other huge issue. They had it too easy. In Ezio and Edward's time, the Assassins were pushed to the brink of extinction in their respective regions of the world. There wasn't a single resource they didn't take advantage of. For example, in Black Flag they were forced to ally with and use Edward, when every single one of them (aside from Mary) would have preferred to kill him. The result was that eventually Edward came around and wholeheartedly dedicated himself to the Brotherhood. I think Achilles was another Assassin brought in through family, or at least when he was inducted, his training was far more focused on the traditions and supposed infallibility of the Assassins. At the same time he was placed into a far greater position of power than any Mentor we have previously seen. Achilles demonstrates an attitude he later passed to Connor. Templars are the enemy. End of story. The Brotherhood was never founded to fight the Templars. It was founded to fight injustice and bring freedom. Achilles acts like he's having a competition, not determining the future of humanity. The Templars want a piece of Eden? Well then the Assassins need *ALL* of the pieces of Eden. No questions. Achilles could have burned the manuscript and destroyed the precursor box, ensuring those pieces of Eden were never found. And the whole time he never questioned his own morality, as he was clearly raised to believe that everything he did was right by default because he was an assassin.
@TheLatiosnlatias02
@TheLatiosnlatias02 Жыл бұрын
It is a recycled version of the previous incarnation of Jedi Order. The Colonial Brother refused to evolve. If one ever tried to reform the group, he/she would be hit with a sush order. I do believe Achilles had a large hand in Shay's falling to the darkside. If Achilles had been more open to the older teachings, he would not have given Haytham an opportunity to bring about the Templar. If the Brotherhood of old realised Shay was correct then that could have alieviated the problems and suffering the Americas felt and possibly reunite the Assassins and Templar into one balanced order, a notion Connor tried to reconcile with despite Achilles' protests.
@xxxtheshotsxxx8456
@xxxtheshotsxxx8456 6 жыл бұрын
Haytham is a better assassin than Achilles
@TheArmskillerV2
@TheArmskillerV2 6 жыл бұрын
MadCAP That is the point.
@americantemplar6553
@americantemplar6553 5 жыл бұрын
TEMPLAR
@Brayy_xi
@Brayy_xi 5 жыл бұрын
Templar
@joshuakhalilcandaza4322
@joshuakhalilcandaza4322 5 жыл бұрын
For 3 sequences, Haytham felt like an anti-hero more than an antagonist.
@raidenex3065
@raidenex3065 6 жыл бұрын
11:01 stray your blade from the innocent Fizhy THAT INCLUDES DOGS YOU MONSTER!
@darthkahn45
@darthkahn45 4 жыл бұрын
Connor clearly meant well, he knew there was no stopping what was coming and thought he was siding with the "good guys" or maybe just the lesser of 2 evils. I kind of liked the failures of his life and naive judgements he made. It was a strong reflection of the times and hypocracy of the revolution. And the fact that he never allowed the reality of Haythams words break or dissuade him was admirable.
@Kirisutekarl
@Kirisutekarl 5 жыл бұрын
I caught the "assassins are kinda like terrorists even when you're an assassin" vibe playing rogue years ago. I know it must've been purely for story that way itd make sense and am easy transition to play as a Templar. But this video definitely expanded on how it actually wasn't just for story(or what I was talking about).
@ryanmoore6801
@ryanmoore6801 6 жыл бұрын
This thing does overstate a few things. William Johnson ignored the natives when they decided not to go along and basically told them they could either work with him or die. Even Haytham admits that in hindsight he can understand why Connor killed him shay also failed to learn; achilles did learn (hence why he desperately tries to keep connor from making his mistakes
@isabellajustice2910
@isabellajustice2910 4 жыл бұрын
"The tenents are more what you'd call 'guidelines' than actual rules"
@megatronbee
@megatronbee 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the Geneva Convention
@te-knofficial5254
@te-knofficial5254 5 жыл бұрын
I think the main reason why Connor kills all of the Templars even though they had noble intentions is not because they were just templars and "they were the bad guys". Remember that Connor had visions from Juno to look for achilles when he was young. And many years later, after Connor kills all of the templars he gets another vision from Juno saying that he's done well. After all it was juno who was controlling Connor so that he could get the key from the templars and hide it where only Desmond could find it. Connor was just doing that because of the visions he had. Sure Juno never explicitly told Connor to kill the templars, she told him that there were bad guys in the colonies and he should look for the assassins, pretty sure she knew he would find achilles and be trained to kill the Templars
@bnrh64
@bnrh64 5 жыл бұрын
1. They didn't know what was going to happen in Lisbon in ac rogue. They go hunting for another site as they didn't believe Shay, but when Achilles gets there, he realises Shay is right and doesn't touch it. 2. This is breaking a strictue so not much to say for this, however everyone loves ezio and his games yet what about brotherhood? Where you had the same, taking over Templar bases and showing the assassin's emblem. That deserves the same criticism the colonial assassin's are recieving too 3. Going off of ac 1, compromise the brotherhood means put it in danger, like Altair bringing the templars to their base or putting their own in danger, which technically they didn't do. Extra. Connor killed templars as he thought Charles Lee and the others burned down his village and, although the templars tried to help, they did it in a wrong way ( like William Johnson killing locals to gain their land ) Sorry for the long response, I just love the colonial games and believe that they do deserve criticism, but also love as they are good games Thank you
@pg3384
@pg3384 6 жыл бұрын
0:20 "This is coming from a narrative perspective, so opinions really don't factor into this" 0:26 "In this video, I'm going to be going over why I don't think the colonial assassins were really great assassins at all" Disregarding that, there are a few issues with the claims made in the video. 1. Shay was not aware that touching the artifact would cause the earthquake, nor were the other assassins aware. Although the assassin were planning on finding other artifacts after Shay's defection, it was out of ignorance and only at the end of AC rogue did they realize what the artifacts truly caused. 2. AC Syndicate has the twins growing their own gang around London meant for intimidation and acting as a force against the Templars and their gangs; AC Rouge's assassin gangs act the same way, of controlling the colonies and going against the Templars with their british soldiers. 3. Shay brought harm to the brotherhood AFTER he defected. Connor never brought harm to the brotherhood, instead growing it by bringing in a few new members and harming the templars. 1st example: As you stated in a video months before this one, the assassins did not know that the interference with the sight in Lisbon directly caused the earthquake, instead just believing that Shay, being a "loose cannon" wasn't "delicate" enough and something went wrong, or along those lines. Only when Achilles saw the earthquake happen due to his own interference in the North did he realize what Shay was trying to tell him earlier in the game. 2nd example: Connor was focusing on protecting his own land. William Johnson, a templar, after trying to purchase the land diplomatically, proceeded to use violence to get the land. Connor was protecting his kin. Connor was killing templars because they ARE the enemy. Assassins and Templars have been killing each other for as long as they existed. Both have different ideologies that come into conflict, in which Connor was doing what the assassins did best and kill the Templars to avoid their beliefs of firm control from coming into reality. The templars wouldn't have performed the "noble deeds" unless it benefited the Templars' beliefs in any way. The American Revolution still would have started if Connor hadn't joined in. The Boston Tea Party still would have happened, and the Sons of Liberty still would have attempted to dump the tea into the harbor. Connor attempted to prevent the Boston Tea Party, he was protecting the Sons of Liberty during the Boston Tea Party, and he was giving assistance to the Militia with Paul Revere. Even the Templars had an event leaning toward the Revolution, Shay protected Benjamin Franklin while he was a diplomat in France. Some believe that if the French hadn't joined the war with the early US, the 13 colonies wouldn't have gained its independence. Both Connor and his father believe what they are doing (Connor with Assassins and Haytham with Templars) was correct. It makes complete sense that Connor refused to listen to Haytham when he was criticizing his ways. The Assassins in Ac rogue are portrayed as villains is comparable to how the templars are portrayed in every other game. Ac rogue assassins are portrayed as villains coming from Shay's perspective, showing the Assassins are trying to control the artifacts which can't be controlled. In AC3, in Connor's eyes, he is trying to stop the Templars from taking harsh control over the new nation. In other games it's the same way: Ac1 Altair is trying to stop the Templars from controlling the Holy Land, ac2 Templars in Italy, Ac Unity with France, Ac Syndicate with London, etc. 12:00 "And this isn't opinion based ... this is just how it is" That isn't what you said at 00:26, "I'm going to be showing you why I DON'T THINK" There are many, many flaws in this video. It seems more like you made this video to attract views rather than give us a real interpretation of why the colonial assassins aren't as great as they seem to be. You've blown up and heavily exaggerated many details. The colonial assassins during Rogue were most likely portrayed the way they were to keep Ac Rogue more like an assassin game, since Shay sneaking around and assassinating is not seen any where else in the game to the same degree of Shay himself. You could cut out all the dialogue and replace the assassin flag textures with templars and just call Shay another assassin, and you have no difference with other games.
@swampwolfegaming1233
@swampwolfegaming1233 4 жыл бұрын
here comes the fun police
@MrZozowok
@MrZozowok 5 жыл бұрын
Something I've never understood : why are we raising a gang in Syndicate (even if it's only Jacob's idea) that ultimatly leads to some bloody events in 1886 ? I mean, in the book about Henry Green, it's clear that the twins know the history of Templars and Assassins, i'm quite sure they both have heroical figures of inspiration, so they must have known that a gang was the worst idea ever…
@Brayy_xi
@Brayy_xi 5 жыл бұрын
For the ppl out there saying that the Templar’s were British, they weren’t. They were helping the British in the war but that doesn’t necessarily mean they work for or are British, they both had there separate ways of doing things and kinda looking for different things also.
@chrisrogers9462
@chrisrogers9462 5 жыл бұрын
Wait wait, did u mentioned Connor, when does he comprise brotherhood, when did he killed innocent, 🤔🤔🤔
@lazercrusher48
@lazercrusher48 5 жыл бұрын
He said that the other assassins (AKA the colonial assassins in AC Rogue) killed some innocents and TOOK A HOSTAGE, A RANDOM, INNOCENT HOSTAGE TO LURE OUT SHAY
@camm3217
@camm3217 5 жыл бұрын
@@lazercrusher48 actually the developers themselves acknowledged that Connor is the only assassin to not kill innocents
@Mrchern-io8nu
@Mrchern-io8nu 4 жыл бұрын
@@camm3217 and when did Ezio killed innocents? I mean sure, Altair, Edward, Shay, all these boys defenetly killed innocents, but the others? not so sure...
@ariqrahman2022
@ariqrahman2022 4 жыл бұрын
Mr.chern Ezio killed dozens in revalations by lighting a city on fire
@Mrchern-io8nu
@Mrchern-io8nu 4 жыл бұрын
@@ariqrahman2022 did he? shit I haven't played this game in a while so I guess that explains why I forgot that... still what of the others, Arno, that chick from liberation, Bayek? (haven't played all this games so can't tell) and although there's been a while since I played AC3 but if I remember correctly Connor did kill innocents in that sequence where he killed his father
@blitzkriegdragon013
@blitzkriegdragon013 6 жыл бұрын
The main disagreement I have are regarding Libson and the Revolution. Libson was an accident pure and simple. The Assassins had no intention of starting that earthquake. Had Shay simply communicated what exactly happened instead of running in there kicking and screaming like a child, they may have listened to him. Shay was a kid racked with guilt and PTSD and Monroe saw this and took advantage. The Assassins bullying people and taking houses, that's another thing and what the game should've focused on. Though it came across more as underlings being drunk on power more than anything else. Second, the Templars in AC1 also had noble reasons, doesn't mean they shouldn't have died. The assassins are about freedom of will. The colonial Templars were trying to manipulate the people into a false peace as they always do. Revolution would've happened either way because of their lack of representation in the British parliment and the lack of communication about the reasons for their taxation.
@theaprilist8668
@theaprilist8668 5 жыл бұрын
Adron Duell a kid that kicked their asses (shay)
@donaldoduckus6566
@donaldoduckus6566 5 жыл бұрын
Your wrong. Obviously the assassins wanted to start the earthquakes that killed thousands of people.
@dasquirrel451
@dasquirrel451 2 жыл бұрын
@@donaldoduckus6566 are they maniacs? Or is it just you? What advantage assassins get if they destroy a city?
@dasquirrel451
@dasquirrel451 2 жыл бұрын
@@donaldoduckus6566 you played a lot of ac rogue apparently. That game is portrayed from a Templar pov. Anything assassins do may find evil for us. Just like things Templars did find evil to us in other games
@spark0420
@spark0420 6 жыл бұрын
There's a fine line between the two orders that's what makes the games plots interesting. Remember when ahmet confronting ezio, haytham confronting Conner?
@speedhog58
@speedhog58 5 жыл бұрын
You know, you never hear anybody addressing the fact that Ezio also broke all 3 tenants. Stay blade from the innocent- destroyed a Byzantine city knowing full well of the collateral damage, killed for the Medici with very vague justification (having 'ties' to the archbishop) Hide in plain sight- flew the Assassin flag over Monterigioni, pulled off all kinds of spectacular shit in Constantinople. Do not compromise the brotherhood- chose to spare Rodrigo for his own closure (which bites him in the ass), letting Michaletto; Ceasre's hitman live AFTER he poisoned somebody, handed over 5 first civ relics/ KEYS TO MASYAF to save his love interest
@Mr.Crawlyo
@Mr.Crawlyo 4 жыл бұрын
But all in the growth of the brotherhood and a message to the templars so it was for the greater good
@markuscordova2246
@markuscordova2246 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, Altair also broke all three tenants at the start of the game, Ubisoft back then focused on story and character development, in order to improve and build a greater Creed. For the colonial assassin's, I don't see such things.
@zeyface6366
@zeyface6366 4 жыл бұрын
I recently played through AC Rogue and the one thing I just couldn't get over was that the assassins... well they weren't really the assassins like in the other games. I expected rogue to be the greyest AC game but instead the assassins were just straight up villians using chemcial warfare on civilian
@nathanielwilliams4086
@nathanielwilliams4086 6 жыл бұрын
To be fair the assassin didn't know that would cause an earth quake
@dakotacross1519
@dakotacross1519 6 жыл бұрын
well the roles of the "villains" did kinda reversed after shay bitchyness i guess the reason why Achilles became a depress old man cause he believed the templars won cause he came to regret his choices for his rite and felt a spark of redemption after Connors worthiness
@W0LV1E45
@W0LV1E45 5 жыл бұрын
Its called shitty writing. Instead of calming down, explains what happened carefully, Shay did the dumbest thing and accuses Achilles for purposely making him kill innocents which he didn't and later stole the manuscript. It all could have been avoided if he calmed down, listen to reason but his arrogance took over.
@alexanderchristopher6237
@alexanderchristopher6237 5 жыл бұрын
@@W0LV1E45 you think Shay would calmed the fuck down after demolishing one of the world's largest cities, killed nearly 100,000 people, and caused the largest tsunami ever recorded at the time? Maybe if he's someone like Hitler, he'll calm the fuck down.
@basyarajo9970
@basyarajo9970 5 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderchristopher6237 maybe
@desmith7520
@desmith7520 4 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderchristopher6237 I love how being calm is associated with hitler..sigh the stupidity
@synthesize5618
@synthesize5618 5 жыл бұрын
Achilles and the Colonial Brotherhood are a disgrace to the Assassins
@cwbird12
@cwbird12 5 жыл бұрын
You should make a video about what would have happened if Shay finished off Achilles when Haytham shot him in the knee, at the end of Assassin's Creed Rogue. Achilles would have not been around to train Connor into becoming an Assassin. And what you said in this video, the entire American Revolution could have been stopped if Shay just killed Achilles.
@Thomas-xp9oz
@Thomas-xp9oz 5 жыл бұрын
Another great example of them breaking the tennets is how Chevalier bombarded the homestead just to take down Shay. Surely, he should have realised that he would probably kill dozens of his own allies for only one potential enemy. Sounds like compromising the brotherhood to me.
@koekiaan
@koekiaan 6 жыл бұрын
We all know that the Assassin's aren't that 'villain like' like in AC Rogue. But I think they did it on purpose because that's the way how Templars think about the Assassin's in general. They did a good job with that.
@W0LV1E45
@W0LV1E45 6 жыл бұрын
koekiaan and rogue was ugly templar Juhani Otso Berg propaganda. Which failed since his cruel, cold just like Haytham, and criticized Haytham's emotions for Edward and Connor even tho Berg did the same with his daughter.
@smileyent.3055
@smileyent.3055 3 жыл бұрын
@@W0LV1E45 headcanon, these are shay's genetic memories, as far as we know you can't edit them
@joaomellw
@joaomellw 6 жыл бұрын
What about Aveline?
@MrZozowok
@MrZozowok 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing, she's perfect
@ripvanwinkle654
@ripvanwinkle654 5 жыл бұрын
Nah, she and Conor were fine.
@mhnsx7115
@mhnsx7115 4 жыл бұрын
Brandon Owyong how about shay cormac he did the good to save the innocent Adewale would have Defected If he got more proof
@dannybenhur6123
@dannybenhur6123 4 жыл бұрын
Achilles didn't manipulate Connor because both and Achilles were told by Juno to pursue the Artifacts and keep them away from Templars...Juno did manipulate Connor especially... Although Charles Lee didn't burn his village, he didn't save it either... Templars weren't good either..so Achilles telling Connor to kill Templars isn't a bad thing...
@michaelfort143
@michaelfort143 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think the Earthquakes in Haiti or Portugal should count as violating the first tenant. The Assassin's didn't intentionally harm anyone and that's what matters. If Shay killed a civilian because he saw him open the temple entrance, that would count but what they did was at worst: reckless endangerment, not murder
@sndgod6793
@sndgod6793 6 жыл бұрын
Couldn't abstergo have edited the footage from AC Rouge at all?
@Fizhy
@Fizhy 6 жыл бұрын
Nah they were going through it for the first time in the game.
@sndgod6793
@sndgod6793 6 жыл бұрын
Fizhy Ah, nevermind all that then.
@momkymmann6553
@momkymmann6553 6 жыл бұрын
SnD God AC RED?
@gagemead27
@gagemead27 6 жыл бұрын
They were, indeed, a wrongdoing generation of the Brotherhood. The Colonial Templars had the old views of the Brotherhood in mind, Peace in All Things, and that's what the Brotherhood changed in their goals. Haytham, seeing this, converted Shay to the Order, and also tried the same with Ratonhnhaké;ton/Connor, but felt there was no convincing Connor, and tried killing him. Also, it was not Shay's fault for Lisbon's destruction, for he had no knowledge of what the fuck would happen. He just followed Achilles, his mentor's, orders. So, yes. They were an evil representation of the Brotherhood.
@josiasbertrand6421
@josiasbertrand6421 5 жыл бұрын
Man, Connor never told to Washington about the Assassins. He wanted to, but he never did it, or al least that conversation never showed up in tha game. Most part of the Assassins Brotherhoods killed innocents at least one time, Ezio in Costantinopoli and Altair for example. The case of Rogue was just an accident, but Shay didnt see like that. Connor Never killed the templar, only beacuse the were Templars. He really had a reason (the liberations mision for example).
@nathanapplegate5374
@nathanapplegate5374 4 жыл бұрын
I would argue that the colonial assassins were reckless in Rogue. The earthquake was the fault of the assassins that is true, but it was an accident. The assassins should have stopped with the visiting of ancestral sites once they found that doing so was causing these disasters. This is why Achilles tells Connor to be careful to not destroy the world trying to save it in AC3. It’s when they shoot Shay that they violate the first tenant. Connor didn’t have a city bombarded. He only had that done to a fort. That’s a huge difference. The only people in that fort were Haytham and his troops. Neither were innocent.
@aikohimutji107
@aikohimutji107 4 жыл бұрын
Fizhy, to be honest with you, AC3 for it's fantastic and good at the same time but also doesn't mean it's bad; look, I get it but please bear with me that the Colonial Assassin's back then are that stupid and broke the 3 tenants of the Creed itself and for Connor? Come on man, you're better that this! Connor is still a kind, gentle, and cool guy but also being brutal, a killing machine, and a loyal follower to his beliefs. And TBH, there's reasons why nearly all the AC fans hated/disliked Desmond and Connor for being boring and such...
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