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@BassBumbass4 жыл бұрын
Threatening your Patron has to be one of the biggest power-moves in DnD.
@robertwizzy6664 жыл бұрын
It's standard behaviour for Warlocks. You're half expected to tell them to fuck off at some point.
@knightghaleon4 жыл бұрын
Robert Ferreira true. Even the lawful good ones can be dicks. “Don’t kill him. He must be punished for his crimes.” “But he has killed so many and can control the weak minded without a single magic item.” “He must be punished by the laws.” “Fuck off.” *drives sword into the heart of BBEG*
@shanerose39664 жыл бұрын
real shit hex blades are the only ones who can do that without dying
@knightghaleon4 жыл бұрын
@@shanerose3966 I mean technically Fjord could be turned into a Deathlock for crossing his patron, but that wouldn't be as much fun.
@littlebird45724 жыл бұрын
@@shanerose3966 he's not a hexblade. He's GOO warlock. He just has pact of the blade.
@Kubo_kubo4 жыл бұрын
He's "Yee'd" his last "Haw".....
@juanpablomontalvo47154 жыл бұрын
Junction He yeeted his last haw
@janstucht17934 жыл бұрын
more like YEET his last haw it say xD
@shimmyking44 жыл бұрын
"Fjord pulls one of the craziest moves in CR history" *Twenty One Episodes Later* Jester: Hold my cupcakes
@warforged794 жыл бұрын
Husband and wife power couple, right there
@oliverworley51624 жыл бұрын
I mean, when people talk about clutch moments of critical role you get scanlans counterspell and jesters cupcake, but people forget fjords charm monster on the laughing hand and his defiance to ukatoa, both very important game changing moments
@BisexualWrath4 жыл бұрын
Willingblam has had the most powerful moments in this campaign full stop
@DerpyDaringDitzyDoo4 жыл бұрын
Well don't forget the Caleb save with the brightqueen, that probably avoided a tpk after all the failed conversation. No one expected that one lol
@unblorbosyourshows96354 жыл бұрын
@@warforged79 Ronin is going the be the world's protagonist at this point. Nerf parents
@Quadraxis4 жыл бұрын
When you ditch your abusive sugar daddy and go back to mom.
@tjmakes_3 жыл бұрын
Omfg 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@stonwall90653 жыл бұрын
👀
@georgeweasley543 жыл бұрын
that is LITERALLY what happenednsksksskskksksksk
@andrewpenn11453 жыл бұрын
More like: when you quit your horrible job and leave your abusive boss.
@TheEveryDayC3 жыл бұрын
i was literally JUST listening to the quadraxis theme before going to this video only to see you in the comments
@Chris_Meade4 жыл бұрын
"If you make a comment about my strength, I may throw you in the lava." "You couldn't...." I. Am. Deceased. 😂😂😂
@notsomagicalmike74294 жыл бұрын
It's funny. Fjord, Beau, and Caleb all have the same Strength modifier yet the monk and even the wizard carried Nott with ease yet we're supposed to believe Fjord, whose race has a natural bulk to them, can't.
@Chris_Meade4 жыл бұрын
@@notsomagicalmike7429 issa joke.
@notsomagicalmike74294 жыл бұрын
@@Chris_Meade I'm aware
@AlexPerez-tt9ru4 жыл бұрын
@@notsomagicalmike7429 I think it's more played for laughs between Travis and Sam. They had the same type of think with scanlan and grog
@Chris_Meade4 жыл бұрын
@@notsomagicalmike7429 Sure doesnt seem like it lol
@MrIronWar4 жыл бұрын
All i saw in the chat that day was "CAST INTO THE FIRE!!" "ISULDUR!!" I love this nerd community
@MaDmOnStErQr4 жыл бұрын
MrIronWar Chat: THROW IT Fjord: Throws the sword in the lava Chat: surprised pikachu meme
@texteel4 жыл бұрын
FJORDOOOOO
@Jedibigfoot4 жыл бұрын
I was like "it wants it returned... the sword came from nothing" *looks at lava* and thats why such contracts have to be specific
@dylanperkins79394 жыл бұрын
*smirk* no....
@andrewwebb62704 жыл бұрын
And then after that during the equipment scene "AND MY AXE"
@vp21ct4 жыл бұрын
Ducey: "You've done something none of us have done . . . you changed." . . . dropping that wisdom on us.
@The1206964 жыл бұрын
He plays the low INT high WIS character so well
@HBlueVanity4 жыл бұрын
hes really bringin the tea
@Sliferslacker214 жыл бұрын
Dont forget the "Nonsense, hes not powerless; he's just discovered a new power." That line was bomb.
@Squeekysquid4 жыл бұрын
@@Sliferslacker21 Then a few episodes later he drops a big one. The one about a person asking for a miracle.
@omegagilgamesh4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the "You out Percy'd Percy, motherfucker!" Taliesin is awesome!
@park_j60764 жыл бұрын
“But- that’s the glove!” “Well, but it’s on your hand, so you hold onto that” Such a small interaction but it’s my favorite moment in the episode
@Sm0lPerson4 жыл бұрын
So wholesome.
@jeshegames4 жыл бұрын
Was touching to me, he felt useless like he couldn’t contribute and everyone showed him that didn’t matter.
@engerek6663 жыл бұрын
My eyes became wet on that part and I scrolled down the comments cos I was sure someone would mention it. To be honest, I didn't even understand the meaning at first. The logic reached me after the emotion. It doesn't matter where the power comes from, but who and how s/he uses it. But can't quite tell why it was so emotional. He said it casually. Words had no power. He didn't do any spectacular gestures while saying it. Yet the emotion it unleashed knocked me down.
@Karak9713 жыл бұрын
On God I was nearly crying when they all started offering Fjord their magic items
@jeaull3 жыл бұрын
This whole scene were they convince fjord that it doesn't matter is great, and when Travis almost cries and laughs is sooo good. And than I love how Sam is so good at carrying the anti meta game jokes through the scene and just omygosh I love this whole clip
@joshkorte90204 жыл бұрын
Sam just won d&d with two words "You couldn't"
@RabidDogma4 жыл бұрын
Play of the Game: Sam Riegel as Widowmaker
@tylerwallis66544 жыл бұрын
Sam is the best example of how to bully like a Nerd
@OgunTheShogun4 жыл бұрын
That burn is 2d8 fire damage to Travis's ego
@calliecalamity87874 жыл бұрын
Good old sam “sam reigel” reigel
@kanukulgood4 жыл бұрын
Samerica rise up
@trainer-mana4 жыл бұрын
>Fjord gets a whip, and axe, and a way to shoot fire. HE'S SIMON BELMONT!
@khurelbatbayanbat79134 жыл бұрын
Alright so he needs to dress up as Simon Belmont now
@trainer-mana4 жыл бұрын
@@khurelbatbayanbat7913 Leather armor with metal bracers? Close enough, I suppose.
@zeterzero43564 жыл бұрын
Dun-nah-dun-duuuun!
@evanremillard56404 жыл бұрын
Holy shit I never thought if that.
@rockonmyfriend4 жыл бұрын
Fjord really should have had the glove of blasting all along tbth.
@awmperry4 жыл бұрын
“If you have enough drugs you’ll think you’re magic.” “I AM A BIOTIC GOD!”
@sethdraw46424 жыл бұрын
I see. You to are a man of culture. (Love a good old mass effect reference)
@shaun_on_guitar4 жыл бұрын
Fear me.
@omegagilgamesh4 жыл бұрын
At that point I was thinking about how when they were in the Yuan-Ti Temple and Nott got stoned off her ass and tried to cast Teleport, even though she didn't have that spell.
@Firan254 жыл бұрын
*asthmatic breathing intensifies*.
@duncangilbert6224 жыл бұрын
Nice reference. Nostalgic.
@JayTohab4 жыл бұрын
“You’re powerless?” “I think so...” “Nonsense; he’s just discovered a new power.” Caduceus has just won me over.
@paulcatalanatto11704 жыл бұрын
Just now?
@connorbarauskas67304 жыл бұрын
Tbh I prefer cad to molly. Molly was fun but I think Cad has much better potential to mesh well with the party as it stands currently
@dylanmcla4 жыл бұрын
@@connorbarauskas6730 Potential haha Cad has been with them for 60 episodes.
@flamecho52204 жыл бұрын
@@dylanmcla Im just amazed people are STILL sad about Molly's death. Call me insensitive, but i dont miss him at all anymore. Caduceus is a great Character.
@markamanic4 жыл бұрын
"So you're saying you're weak-er than before"
@TopcatsLair4 жыл бұрын
Awwww when they're all giving him stuff its so sweet... and then Sam hilariously undercuts it "you're very weak"
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
"If you make one comment about my strength I will throw you into the lava." "You couldn't, but--"
@RabidDogma4 жыл бұрын
He's SO GOOD at being able to break the tension.
@scottrauch12614 жыл бұрын
@@deffdefying4803 that comment made me laugh out loud and I had to explain why I was laughing at midnight.
@switch1584 жыл бұрын
@@RabidDogma I so agree, he was throwing Travis a bone because he was teetering on the edge of crying. No way to be sure, but I think Sam saw that, and knew Travis wouldn't like to be caught tearing up on the stream, so he gave him a verbal slap to snap him out of it.
@sagarro52914 жыл бұрын
The hat was amazing! I felt so happy for the group!
@diogolucena43324 жыл бұрын
All his friends giving him stuff, just talking over each other in handing him shit until he's basically a crying mess, proving the power of friendship, may very well be the most anime moment ever in CR history, and I love it!
@CaffieKuriboh4 жыл бұрын
best part of this whole video in my opinion XD
@JB-xl2jc4 жыл бұрын
“When your equipment combines, I am.... Captain Wjild Mjother!”
@Gray9634 жыл бұрын
The fact that it was so genuine and spur of the moment is something incredible. We are used to seeing that kind of stuff in scripted kids shows and stuff that go out of their way to set that stuff up... but it's always so artificial. To see a group of adults all come together like that without realizing it... that was something truly special.
@knightghaleon4 жыл бұрын
My party had something like this happen when the fighter in our group took on a rusty ooze. Dude’s armor and everything was wrecked. But the forge cleric and artificer and rogue started handing him stuff to bring him back to something close to his power. Dude was moved. He was sad for his spear but the rogue had a sword she barely used so he became a swordsman after a little practice.
@michaelweddle72794 жыл бұрын
You have my sword And my bow And my axe! And my dagger, My whip Here, have some drugs!
@JustinGann4 жыл бұрын
"You. Need. Me. More than I need you." - Fjord, power move 2019
@taddad26414 жыл бұрын
he wasn't wrong either.
@TheJerbol3 жыл бұрын
@@taddad2641 in a way it makes being subservient to a powerful being easier when that being itself is in a position of weakness that you can exploit
@danielstephens11853 жыл бұрын
Matt actually seems as surprised as everyone else. Like "um I didn't plan for this."
@michiganpride3893 жыл бұрын
And what Laura does with the dust of deliciousness... true power gaming couple in all of DnD
@Lucas-rz3vl2 жыл бұрын
@@TheJerbol Until it no longer is in that postition and now you have an elemental titan that might just be very pissed off with you
@nickh.70854 жыл бұрын
Whether by RP or dice, Travis has had some of the best D&D moments I've ever seen.
@ripl0x4 жыл бұрын
The triple 1s during the festival was the best. He really made that scene special.
@RasakBlood4 жыл бұрын
Well that is partly because he is awesome at rp and commits to the character. And partly because he loves to poke the sleeping dragon just to see what happens. :P Craven edge and the deck of many things being the more notable examples. But even with smaller things Travis is always the one that says "Lets do it" :D
@curtisholsinger60234 жыл бұрын
My absolute favorite RP for the entire gang, in either season: Fjord, the first time he lost his powers, whispering "no no no no no..." to himself, in his normal voice instead of his fake accent, and having a freak-out walk through the town. Just absolutely perfect, and understated, and completely comfortable with his decision for his character. No scenery chewing, no "pay attention to me, this is my scene" - just pure roleplaying in the moment.
@curtisholsinger60234 жыл бұрын
@@ripl0x Absolutely. More fun than even the double 20s during the Search for Grog.
@sh11death4 жыл бұрын
Well, haven't you heard? Fortune favours the bold.
@dylanperkins79394 жыл бұрын
Fjord is just a regular dude with a bunch of magic items now lol. He's kinda like Batman XD
@Gregor16574 жыл бұрын
Or taryon
@thutmosetoure13964 жыл бұрын
Batman that can barely use all of his gadgets
@mate12cf4 жыл бұрын
Batman is not exactly a regular dude
@dylanperkins79394 жыл бұрын
@@Gregor1657 Haha I didn't even think of that XD I think Tary still had artificer abilities at least. Fjord is like a classless NPC pretty much. A high-level classless NPC, but still.
@BassRacerx4 жыл бұрын
@@dylanperkins7939 If i was DM that would be mad inspiration points and a free Actor feat and probably an extra 2 charisma points holy shit that was the wildest shit ive ever seen in DND period!
@bensagnella7574 жыл бұрын
Fjord *Throws sword Wild mother: its free real estate
@Gray9634 жыл бұрын
In 20 years of D&D... I have never once seen a man who would attempt to intimidate a primordial *Slow Clap*
@thenosieyartist69244 жыл бұрын
I I think he almost did
@williamebel47634 жыл бұрын
@@thenosieyartist6924 nope, at least some crits, nothing is going to happen... It's a god for fucks sake... He barely came as far as any mortal whould... Not even close.
@pantelisrrasoulis20074 жыл бұрын
@@williamebel4763 you can see that as well when Matt says "You can roll intimidation if you want"
@williamebel47634 жыл бұрын
@@pantelisrrasoulis2007 pretty much yeah.
@jadenlife4 жыл бұрын
@@pantelisrrasoulis2007 Except that's not what he says. He initially tells Fjord, verbatim, to "make an intimidation check." Only once Fjord pushes the sword in another inch and steps directly up to the lava, a move which you can tell Matt finds dangerous and ballsy, does Matt say "you can make another intimidation check if you'd like." Matt's look and response to Travis could very well have meant "good luck" or "you're crazy; he's going to kill you" or simply "shit, I wasnt expecting this." Now, I'm not saying you're wrong or that he was close to success; I'm just pointing out that we don't know what Matt Mercer could, would, will or won't do, what Fjord's patron might do, or what piece of lore or backstory involving Fjord and his link to Uka-Toejam & Earl might still be hidden from the audience's view.
@GodBear974 жыл бұрын
You gotta love the fact that everyone is freaking out, and then there's Taliesin who's just sitting there nodding, going "Yes. Yes! You are making me so proud" Taliesin knows the struggle of being bound to an evil entity that you want nothing to do with. As Taliesin said, Travis/Fjord did what percy never could, he threw his own "cursed" weapon in the pit and said "Enough!"
@ladaboy35072 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, when Percy’s weapon was thrown in a pit, his only reaction was “it was so expensive”
@hokutoulrik73452 жыл бұрын
@@ladaboy3507 it had two enchantments on it. Of course it was expensive.
@azureshenanigans2 жыл бұрын
Taliesin is the evil entity
@victorym7444 жыл бұрын
"I don't have anything to give you other than drugs" Me: "I don't remember THIS part in Lord of the Rings."
@mizt_strider80034 жыл бұрын
Good to know I wasn't the only one thinking of Lord of th Rings during that part!
@TjerkMuller4 жыл бұрын
What do you think "Your love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind" alludes to, though? It's called 'pipe-weed'. Need one say more?
@noneofyourbusiness24374 жыл бұрын
@@TjerkMuller Yes, because they aren't actually smoking marijuana, dumbass. They call it tabac in certain sections of the book. Language changes over time and that book was written a very long time ago. They didn't consider weed to mean marijuana back then. They smoke tobacco like everyone else.
@IceWraith1014 жыл бұрын
@@noneofyourbusiness2437 errrr yeah it still was. Drugs were pretty fucking everywhere in the 50s and then RAMPANT in the 60s and 70s. Its a really easy fact check. "According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term first appeared in print in 1932" Took less than 10 seconds. LOTR was written between 1937 and 1949.
@MrUmakemelaff4 жыл бұрын
@@IceWraith101 It could have been coca leaf...
@astrof.33084 жыл бұрын
best part of all this is that fjord is gonna start pronouncing "jester" as "jestah"
@JB-xl2jc4 жыл бұрын
If he stays RP British it should be more of “Jestuhh”. “Jestah” is more Australian IMO
@RabidDogma4 жыл бұрын
No joke, easily one of my favorite parts of this is watching how Laura reacts as her hubby's character development is happening. The face when she realizes that he's dropping the fake accent is PRICELESS.
@disastergirl8884 жыл бұрын
Jeff B he should, however now that Travis is speaking for longer stretches in his British accent, I’ve noticed that he can’t always keep the RP accent consistent and sometimes slides into something a little less formal, much the same way as Liam did with Vax, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he went slightly cockney on some words. The slight variation in accents worked well for Vax’s character though (and seemed to be a conscious choice, from what I can tell) and it could be that it works well for Fjord too, particularly as he’s spent to long around people with completely different accents, it’s natural he’d be subconsciously affected. (Also I’m not meaning to criticise either Travis or Liam by saying their British accents vary sometimes, obviously they’re both super talented and way better at voices than I could ever hope to be, it’s just an observation).
@JB-xl2jc4 жыл бұрын
Suzy Lightning Good point, Cockney is WAY closer to home and would use the harsher non-rhotic “ahr” kinda sound. Speaking as a filthy colonial who has never been to the UK it can be tough to avoid slipping between accents (even though RP and Cockney have pretty pronounced differences). I guess it’s probably like a British person trying to sound like a Southern US accent and slipping into Western US.
@ColombianThunder4 жыл бұрын
@@JB-xl2jc jester is our word, but you can say Jesta
@asgardlegacy4 жыл бұрын
I live for that "why are you doing this to me" groan Travis immediately does when Matt so much as looks at him at the very beginning
@n4l9bx4 жыл бұрын
That deer in the headlights look gives me breath
@elusivegamergirl2 жыл бұрын
lmao Matt's evil chuckle at the beginning as Travis said "Noooo" was perfect
@MrShmoople_4 жыл бұрын
Does this mean we can’t make “yee haw” jokes about Fjord now?
@TheCrafter3214 жыл бұрын
Wellll Hayullll
@larkrogers36904 жыл бұрын
there's a yee haw in his heart
@Ishidalover4 жыл бұрын
@@larkrogers3690 As a Texan, I can verify that it's the yeehaw on the inside that counts.
@qrowacheron2304 жыл бұрын
I saw someone else say it best "he's yee'd his last haw"
@lukamal1234 жыл бұрын
No but now we can make british jokes about Fjord now
@09spidy4 жыл бұрын
Travis suddenly decided to roll a new character, just in the middle of the episode.
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
Fjord would like to CHANGE--
@CatCheshire Жыл бұрын
He just opened the menu and changed a few settings of his character XP
@Youtube_Hivemind_Member4 жыл бұрын
Every character had amazing moments in this but no one is mentioning that Caleb - a character who at the beginning was stealing and hiding items from other members of the party to keep for himself - started the movement to give items to Fjord. Not only that, but the first item he gave was the burning hands glove from way before that caused him to be told to share for the first time by Molly. Caduceus said only Fjord changed, and right afterward Caleb changed, too. Good boys all around this episode
@KINFIN1234 жыл бұрын
Scorching Ray but that’s splitting hairs
@kootiepatra4 жыл бұрын
It seems to me like Liam played out Caleb clocking that comment, as well. I wonder if Caleb is reevaluating what he's doing with himself and why.
@Ghost-Mom4 жыл бұрын
@@kootiepatra im a little late to the discussion, but I'd say he definitely is. In refjored, Caleb and Fjord share a moment before beginning the heist to steal the ring and reminisce about the time Fjord put his place to calebs throat. Fjord apologizes but Caleb quickly dismisses it as if he knows what fjord did was deserved. When Molly died Caleb was only beginning to realize he kind of enjoyed this new thing he had going, but the stress of putting his life on the line to get it back was a little much for him. Now though, that bond is even deeper, Caleb no doubt views them as a family and I think if another Lorenzo situation had happened, there would be no inner struggle whatsoever, just blazing fireballs of revenge.
@MmeHyraelle3 жыл бұрын
Caleb is also refjordging himself :)
@brittanyhuffman3701 Жыл бұрын
I love to see the progression of these characters. They were so well thought out
@jazzvieadnan37794 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how Travis went from coming up with no backstory at all, to this.
@KingBobXVI3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes, if you have no backstory you just need to make one :P
@kuroneko18132 жыл бұрын
You can make it up as you go tbh. We always give away small details during RP in my group and sometimes we just thought of them on the spot. If you say its canon and it makes sense then it’s real.
@BlackDragonWitheHawk2 жыл бұрын
We started to play DSA (the black eye) and I as a nooby was searching for plants, as the dm asked what I was looking for my brain invented double stinging stinging nettles... and they are a thing now in our campaing
@magiv4205 Жыл бұрын
@@BlackDragonWitheHawk Oooh, a fellow DSA player! We're pretty much an endangered species in the english-dominated ttrpg scene lol.
@eternasapphiremoon819 ай бұрын
Doesn't Matt help set up their backstories somehow, or at least tease bits and pieces of their backstory for them to reveal? Like in whispers/private texts and such?
@lukefrederiks59064 жыл бұрын
If you make Taleisen squirm, you’re doing something right.
@noahbaden903 жыл бұрын
Flashbacks to Percy's gun getting thrown into the acid.
@danielstephens11853 жыл бұрын
What, like Sam's Eldermancy drink?
@hokutoulrik73452 жыл бұрын
@@noahbaden90 right?
@Srioll Жыл бұрын
@@noahbaden90 Yup! I love how Taliesin celebrated! And you know he was thinking "Fjord just did what Percy didn't have the strength to do!"
@epic3211234 жыл бұрын
"Then you have my whip!" "And my glove!" "And my ax!" "And my shield!"
@Atomguy1123 жыл бұрын
_"And my drugs!"_
@johnhorn9904 жыл бұрын
I love how happy and supportive Taliesin is in this moment. Fjord is making the decision and doing something Percy couldn't.
@ash-tv3bu4 жыл бұрын
he out-percied percy
@magiv42054 жыл бұрын
I live for this comment
@dynamicworlds14 жыл бұрын
The pride Talison shows in his formerly newbie RPG friends as they spread their wings with strength in this campaign brightens my heart so much!
@euapatroaeospets9474 жыл бұрын
Sorry. But i didnt understand the comment.
@MaDmOnStErQr4 жыл бұрын
@@euapatroaeospets947 SPOILERS FOR CAMPAIGN ONE. Taliesin's character in Campaign one named Percival Frederickstein Klossowski de Rolo III or simply just "Percy" had a weapon that is cursed and was controlling him. Percy was able to destroy for a long time but didn't as he considers the weapon priceless. It was only destroyed because one of the PC's destroyed it, ending the curse for percy. The original comment is about how Fjord made a decision the Percy couldn't. Because of it, Taliesin is very happy that someone could make a decision that Percy couldn't
@BadSkeelz4 жыл бұрын
Proof that Fjord didn't need Ukotoa for him to have some balls.
@Jarethenator4 жыл бұрын
BadSkeelz Underated Comment.
@gaijinexec4 жыл бұрын
Ukatoa being a child: No it's mine! Fjord: LITERALLY TRIES TO INTIMIDATE A GOD
@Aikrehn4 жыл бұрын
"Nonsense, he's not powerless; he's just discovered a new power." I need a Cadeuceus in my life.
No one: Literally no one: Fjord: fuck out of here I don't need you
@mistamemewide3 жыл бұрын
“THIS BITCH EMPTY, AYEET”
@Klespyrian Жыл бұрын
@@mistamemewide I can't believe how appropriate that meme is here.
@bplup64194 жыл бұрын
"If you make a comment about my strength, I might throw you in the lava." "You couldn't." Are we sure Nott isn't a barbarian because that was savage.
@YourGodRimuruTempest2 ай бұрын
I like to think of it as a brutal critical
@martijnvanweele62044 жыл бұрын
*Elrond:* "CAST IT INTO THE FIRE! DESTROY IT!" *Isildur:* "No." *Percival:* "Do you have a receipt?" *Fjord:* "You know what? SURE!"
@rachaelpoulin19974 жыл бұрын
18:17 Travis looks like he’s about to cry and it’s so sweet
@USful4 жыл бұрын
Rachael Poulin i think it was laughing at the reference “and my ax”
@Idofphoenix4 жыл бұрын
@@USful Or the panic of "Shit now I need to know how all of this works"
@ForeverDegenerate4 жыл бұрын
@@Idofphoenix Nah. Fjord's got this. As a Hexblade, he's got proficiencies with Martial Weapons and Shields. He knows how to use all that stuff. And as a Warlock, he'd be proficient with "point hand shoot fire." Of course, without his Patron, he's lost his Sword Specialization. But he'd still be able to use any sword he picks up, just not as well as he would be able to if he had the power of his patron coursing through his veins.
@surimonizarro97913 жыл бұрын
I was crying here oh my god. It's such an amazing scene
@tomaszskowronski14064 жыл бұрын
17:33 And here we are, Fjord Mustang, the first Half-Orc Flame Alchemist.
@Fyngys4 жыл бұрын
Omg i love you for this
@mattmaass39204 жыл бұрын
You are my hero, this needs to happen!
@NobleKos4 жыл бұрын
the amount of layers to this joke would make an onion jealous
@Sirius101174 жыл бұрын
Nice one
@Sirius101174 жыл бұрын
I don`t remember to have been here...
@josephevans32164 жыл бұрын
Can we just appreciate that Fjord took the time to feel Ukatoa relent and start to help, right before he spat back in his fishy face?
@Jebjeb4 жыл бұрын
Was that Uka'toa or the Wildmother soothing him?
@MichaelNelson19654 жыл бұрын
I don't think that was Uk'atoa.
@samtheactualkenku62054 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelNelson1965 I mean taking into account the other god that the Kiln was built for could have intervened. So we have Uko'toa, Melora the Wildmother, and possibly the Allhammer contending for Fjord's services....
@Gray9634 жыл бұрын
@@Jebjeb it could have been either. I think Fjord AND Travis realized at that moment it didn't matter, he didn't want to be a tool anymore. I love it.
@eb43054 жыл бұрын
I'm sure self-sacrificing your blood into a holy brazier shows the owner of that temple you mean business. My money is on Melora starting the switch over
@junewhite75644 жыл бұрын
Just imagine how cinematic this scene would be in a film... the scene only being lit my the lava, the framing, and when Fjord casts out the falchion all we’d hear is the whining of wind as it passes through. Then the shot of the blade and fjord in the background with the eye of uk’otoa in the falchion lining up with fjord’s as it sinks. PURE CINEMATOGRAPHY
@carlsmagicbicep97364 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly!
@vp21ct4 жыл бұрын
How DnD players see it.
@MaDmOnStErQr4 жыл бұрын
Then for a cinematic scene, make it go around fjord when he holds the sword over the lava. Then make the music stop as he feels the comfort, a small window through the smoke will be seen as he pull the blade back. The scene follows the sword with fjord in the back.
I keep imagining that just before the falchion sinks it's last couple inches into the lava it gives a thumbs up just before going under. *Waits to see if anyone gets that reference*
@tks80964 жыл бұрын
"You can't fire me, I quit!"
@BiggySn1p3r4 жыл бұрын
FUN FACT: for anybody who didn't know. 17:35 - Travis is the voice actor of Roy Mustang in Fullmetal Alchemist/FMA Brotherhood. That character usually wears a glove and can emit a fiery explosion from his hands. Now Fjord has a glove of blasting.
@Firan252 жыл бұрын
Now he just needed 2 gloves of blasting.
@brokendays Жыл бұрын
Well damn
@luxintenebris1776 Жыл бұрын
Tiny Miniskirts!!
@alexanderlucard4810 Жыл бұрын
Holy crap I never put that together but I love it! What a neat coincidence!
@garhettthomas760110 ай бұрын
Now that you say that I can hear especially when he fights lust and envy never realized that’s awesome
@samandrielswings4 жыл бұрын
"Do we have a fire extinguisher in the studio? I am on fire." I swear I'll catch up to this show one day
@azrael43464 жыл бұрын
This whole scene, as awesome as it was, gave me the WORST anxiety ever.
@geopurple36984 жыл бұрын
F**king same man
@sethcrawford51074 жыл бұрын
I could barely freaking breathe man, this was insane!
@sethcrawford51074 жыл бұрын
KryptiiK: Wow, way to ruin it dude. Just because you did not have a similar reaction to us, doesn't mean you have to say we're idiots.
@thegarboarto4 жыл бұрын
@KryptiiK you must be fun at parties
@serbronnoftheblackwater7984 жыл бұрын
@KryptiiK mega douche alert.
@datmanydocris Жыл бұрын
"I don't feel rare." My man, you threatened one of the most powerful creatures in existence and made it _scared._ That's pretty rare.
@themoviecritic1092 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like an additional line that Cad would say in the new animated series
@MinersLoveGames4 жыл бұрын
Play Of The Game: Fjord.
@notjarek2374 жыл бұрын
Fjord as Fjord
@thatonepsycho51574 жыл бұрын
@@notjarek237 *RapedBacon as Fjord. Yeah, that was Travis's username, I'm not joking.
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
@@thatonepsycho5157 kinda wanna know the origin of that username, but I also kinda dont
@makeljones28463 жыл бұрын
POG
@5-Volt4 жыл бұрын
Fjord: "I enjoyed these abilities." Beau: "Yeah. No. Abilities are dope." Idk why but I thought that was hilarious. Very Beau thing to say.
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
Casual reminder that Beau is the only one of the entire Nein that doesn't have magic, or at least the magic one uses to cast spells. She might've been talking as an outsider's perspective on all the amazing shit the others can do, while she can basically just punch good.
@FoxHound-ut1hu4 жыл бұрын
@@deffdefying4803 Ki is amazing and you can do some magical ass shit, she really shouldn't be jealous
@Aplesedjr3 жыл бұрын
deffdefying I still think this is a weird line of thought. Sure everyone can cast spells (though fjord and nott only barely), but the amount of ridiculous and powerful stuff monks can do shouldn’t lead to thinking of the monk as lesser. I mean, she literally ran up a 300 foot tall tree, stunned enemies at extremely crucial moments, done insane amounts of damage, and so much more over the campaign. Its like making it to the olympics but not getting a medal placement. You aren’t the best of the best, but you made it to the olympics for god’s sake. That alone is a crazy achievement.
@noclue41083 жыл бұрын
@@deffdefying4803 She can literally use ki to be super human fast, stun enemies, run up walls, ignore gravity to an extent and more. I like Beau, but I really never believed that whole “insecure in my power and worth” idea Marisha flirts with at times, simply because of the amount of obvious utility that Beau displays in and out of combat. I feel like Fjord is a better exploration of this idea, mainly because it’s more integral to Fjord’s story. Not a Marisha hater or anything, I’m fully aware she is amazing, just don’t like this and one or two other aspects of Beau. Edited for typo.
@deffdefying48033 жыл бұрын
Third time the same thing has been said, just in different flavours. I understood the first time.
@Fadebound4 жыл бұрын
Fjord really just said "Byebye Uk'otoa, hello Wild Mother"
@TheDisquietingNight4 жыл бұрын
So, a Paladin or Druid then? We have 2 Clerics already in the party
@ancelbotha15524 жыл бұрын
@@TheDisquietingNight Probably Oath of Ancients Paladin.
@pierluigidipietro80974 жыл бұрын
I suppose that Uk'otoa is not something that you can just say goodbye without consequences... Expecially if the last orb is still in your chest, though inactive, as I suspect. The other possibility is that now the orb is under the molten lava, as the sword melt, but I think it is unlikely. Next few episodes we will see what kind of ordeal Fjord will have to endure to sigil this change, and it will be an ordeal to pass without powers...
@BisexualWrath4 жыл бұрын
Ended my friendship with UK'otoa, Wild Mother is my new best friend
@thedon688894 жыл бұрын
Probably archfey patron or something? I know she’s not technically fae but it works imo
@fishiest35394 жыл бұрын
half the chat was "ISILDUR!!" and the other half was "lol vjore"
@angrykobold59703 жыл бұрын
Lol vjore
@Alightbourne3 жыл бұрын
That little "Oh no..." from Travis when everyone start's offering magic items gets me a little choked up. This was such a wonderful moment.
@dylan56789ful4 жыл бұрын
the moment he admits hes just normal guy again and they all just start offering stuff for him to use with no care for themselves or greed is such a amazing moment for the campaign.
@ashb97434 жыл бұрын
Fjord becoming a Paladin of The Wildmother is the ideal resolve here lmao
@mjr88884 жыл бұрын
Doesn't have the strength score. He could become a Hexblade of the Ancient One, which would allow him to be a warlock of the Wildmother.
@Colesign4 жыл бұрын
@@mjr8888 Dex-based Paladins are a thing: heck, in the last campaign, Liam's character Vex was a Rogue/Paladin build.
@matheusbravo37584 жыл бұрын
But Paladins use Charisma as a spellcasting skill, ain't it? Could work...
@tomveenstra77574 жыл бұрын
@@matheusbravo3758 Yes they do, unfortunately though in 5e you need to have at least a 13 in stength to multiclass into a paladin
@Chris_Meade4 жыл бұрын
@@tomveenstra7757 Yep, Vax put some points in strength when he leveled so he'd meet the requirements
@KitsuneRokaku4 жыл бұрын
I LOVED how the party supported Fjord in their own ways. Clay was just a sweetheart as always, knowing Fjord's true potential. The one that warmed my heart was Caleb, how he gave him glove of blasting so he wouldn't be vulnerable. It shows both characters have come a long way, especially the scene during the heist back early in the campaign. This was really touching.
@jumper40384 жыл бұрын
Oh, hey Kit. didn't expect to see you here XD.
@KitsuneRokaku4 жыл бұрын
@@jumper4038 HEY! Fancy seeing you here 😆
@sabamonstergaming4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Caleb basically spurred on a small collective movement on Fjords behalf. "Here take this.. and where's that whip?" He was determined to reassure him he did the right thing.
@ash-lynnsarah86263 жыл бұрын
Everybody talking about Cad's words of wisdom but can we talk about Caleb? "Aim over there" Fjord shoots fire out of his fingers. "But thats the glove" "Yes but it's in your hand."
@OtakuShadows4 жыл бұрын
Man I saw this live, chat went absolutely INSANE when this started going down
@DarkAuraLord4 жыл бұрын
I'll never forget the chain of people yelling "YEET IT INTO THE LAVA!" After he started holding it over the lava.
@JB-xl2jc4 жыл бұрын
Then they were surprised when he actually did
@bbittercoffee4 жыл бұрын
@@JB-xl2jc Chat: YEET IT INTO THE LAVA! Travis : *Actually yeets the sword towards the lava* Chat : *Surprised pikachu face*
@evanremillard56404 жыл бұрын
Yeah I could see the comments, they were out of control.
@XxChickenBoyxX124 жыл бұрын
6:42 I laughed my ass off when I heard Sam whispered faintly "Charisma" after Travis rolled a 23 for it xD
@oakenshadow676310 ай бұрын
I missed that! >XD
@antheaquirke37134 жыл бұрын
Listen, this whole ending scene makes me so emtional but when Travis goes- "But- that's the glove," with a little desperate laugh at the end, like he's still trying to protest, it's not him, he can't do anything, it was the glove not him- IT JUST GETS TO ME SO BAD.
@eggb34n4 жыл бұрын
“Oh hey here try this” “oh look it works, yours now” “...what”
@KazumiKiguma4 жыл бұрын
What makes this even better is that Fjord originally owned the glove and traded it to Caleb for that special water armor at Caleb's request, because fire. I love how he just gave it back without a moment's hesitation.
@qlipothian4 жыл бұрын
Every warlock has been tempted to do this at some point.
@zeterzero43564 жыл бұрын
Interestingly the character the class is based off of in part, Elric of Melnibone, once did this with his sword Stormbringer, except it was into the ocean. No more than five seconds later he dived in after it. Elric had a hard life, and it both was and wasnt his fault.
@stevenstine68544 жыл бұрын
@@zeterzero4356 awe man.. I havent read the Elric Saga in YEARS!!!!
@zeterzero43564 жыл бұрын
@@stevenstine6854 Still have to read that last book one of these days. Then I suppose I'll have to read the Corum and Hawkmoon ones as well.
@juliemichellerobinson18413 жыл бұрын
@@zeterzero4356 Just saw this comment and WTH I've not read the Eternal Champion books since I was a kid (started with Corum coz my dad had it lying around, then Hawkmoon).
@sierra2bork293 жыл бұрын
My warlock actually may end up doubling down on her pact. Her sister was being used in a necromancy spell and they got to her as she was being sacrificed. When they saved her I quietly mummbled, "she will live. I will double down and give anything." So we will see how my DM takes that.
@joshuabuchanan36344 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love Nott's question at 16:33. She's trying to figure out if she would be able to deal with losing her goblin powers and going back to a normal life
@CampaignerSC4 жыл бұрын
Great catch!
@BisexualWrath4 жыл бұрын
Well she would still be a rogue. Just no fury of the small
@SkoloT4 жыл бұрын
I loved this too!! At first glance, it seems like a burn... but you can feel the hurt and wonder behind the question
@_zurr4 жыл бұрын
@@BisexualWrath Maybe, maybe not. RAW Polymorph won't let her keep her skills and stats, and can be dispelled so is temporary. Reincarnate RAW also causes the resultant race to be randomly picked, but she would keep her Rogue stuff.
@BisexualWrath4 жыл бұрын
@@_zurr that would involve them kill nott a lot
@RoderickEtheria4 жыл бұрын
first time I've seen a player deliberately destroy their character's class.
@aickavon4 жыл бұрын
welcome to high level warlock, where eventually the warlock has had enough.
@jareddmunoz3 жыл бұрын
I broke my pact with The Raven Queen in a campaign. Out of the story I was tired of warlock and wasn't having fun. I RP'ed it as my Tabaxi deciding he couldn't rely on supernatural powers to fix his shortcomings. She took all my memories and I made him an Artificer.
@rjblake19994 жыл бұрын
Everyone says what a great storyteller Matt is, but this Episode proved that Travis is a great teller of stories too. The entire cast is so good at weaving their tales into the narrative that Matt lays out. Well done Travis, for giving us the most shocking piece of your characters story so far. Bravo.
@ravenhull3 жыл бұрын
There are some deep hidden depths to Travis.
@bernavei8004 жыл бұрын
My reactions to seeing this on the stream are basically every single Taliesin close-up in this video.
@nyxus_s4 жыл бұрын
god this part of the episode was so adrenaline filled it felt like i was having a heart attack, jesus christ fjord
@christopherradek74684 жыл бұрын
Nott: You're powerless? Clay: Nonsence, he's not powerless. He's just discovered a new power. Wow
@Impling4 жыл бұрын
Facing off with and elder god. Have to make an intimidation check against a GOD! WTF!? WOW!
@chainer86864 жыл бұрын
Rolls in the low 20's appear to still have failed
@carlsmagicbicep97364 жыл бұрын
Yep, I think a 25 was the DC
@rosehaley60124 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it was like with Caleb and Avantika's journal. It is theoretically possible, but you would need a nat 20 and maxed out stats
@Gray9634 жыл бұрын
In 20 years of D&D... I have never once seen a man who would attempt to intimidate a primordial Slow Clap
@Auntiebels4 жыл бұрын
@@Gray963 But in this case it made perfect sense; sure Uky can find others, but Fjord and the crew had knowledge of where what when why and how to release him. Losing Fjord is a BIG loss, UKY has time for sure, but it is still a stinging blow and Fjord knew that.
@markdasaro90454 жыл бұрын
Fjord is fast becoming my favorite for Campaign 2.
@N7AslansHobbit_Ry4 жыл бұрын
Who was your favorite before??
@_zurr4 жыл бұрын
Fjast Fjavourite indeed.
@KalonOrdona24 жыл бұрын
He always was for me
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
@@KalonOrdona2 God same
@Theplayerofx4 жыл бұрын
Travis almost crying when they gave him the items was so touching
@matthewwheatley4 жыл бұрын
I LOVE how happy this made Talesin. His wide eyed wonder through the whole thing- drawing on his playing of Percy, his general love for awesome horrorgore moments - I think he had a great time last thursday.
@jondouglas8434 жыл бұрын
watching characters break pacts with sentient weapons/patrons is always really cool.
@dumgum93444 жыл бұрын
At 11:02 you can see the realization of "oh crap, what did I just do"
@jinxadorahsnape4 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing.
@calliecalamity87874 жыл бұрын
Yet he doesn’t want to hurt his friends because of it, he’d rather have the pain of losing that than hurting and/or losing his friends
@dumgum93444 жыл бұрын
@@calliecalamity8787 It's a real testimony of his character that the moment uko'toa (spelled that wrong) threatened him to consume his freinds to grow in strength he was ready to throw away what he thought was his identity, Travis's characters have always been my favorite (not being bias because of my last name)
@grendl744 жыл бұрын
Nott scorched Fjord into cinders at the end. I LOVED this scene.
@nairocamilo4 жыл бұрын
Caleb should've rolled a Wisdom save after that
@victorym7444 жыл бұрын
FATALITY with cutting words
@flyingskyward21534 жыл бұрын
I love how into it Taliesin is!
@SanJo2MD4 жыл бұрын
It was heart-melting when everyone decided to give Fjord their valuables and their weapons to outfit him without his powers. It consistently makes me smile :)
@notjarek2374 жыл бұрын
Everybody giving Fjord something just made me so happy for some reason
@davidens82044 жыл бұрын
it truly brought tears to my eyes .. just awesome eh? to have friends like that?
@SarahAndreaRoycesChannel4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty certain Travis reaction (something along the line of 'o shit') was because he (the player) was close to tears.
@Heritage3674 жыл бұрын
Sort of like the end of 'It's A Wonderful Life': "Remember no man is a failure who has friends!"
@jan32112004 жыл бұрын
The Powah of Freindship!.....(also ... freindship is magic.... i had to it was such a easy opening)
@alexanderwheeler39434 жыл бұрын
I love how proud Tal is that Fjord did what Percy never could on his own.
@ash-tv3bu4 жыл бұрын
i love that even from the start of this scene you can see just how *done* travis is, how *done* fjord is. he knew the moment that dream began that he was finished with uk'otoa. he wants those powers, yeah, but would he do anything to get them back? ...no. he's *done.*
@matiasmorales073 Жыл бұрын
so... sometime, in the future this is getting animated... holy fuck
@SharkyShocker4 жыл бұрын
Honestly... there was a little part of me that was hoping that the blade would still be in tact, but just submerged. So Fjord would try to summon it just for the hell of it and get it back like "Oh, god dammit!"
@juanpablomontalvo47154 жыл бұрын
SharkShocker I don’t think this is the last we’ve seen of the blade, its an ancient and sentient magical artifact with the key to a demigod on it... i think we’ll see it again
@KazumiKiguma4 жыл бұрын
@@juanpablomontalvo4715 30 episodes later, they've run into the sword again, wielded by Mollymauk, calling himself Lucian. *DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUN*
@juanpablomontalvo47154 жыл бұрын
The Great Goblin Wizard Kazamaraz No Yasha uses Mollys body and has Obam uses it but really it was a double double cross and mollys soul locks oban in place so yasha can kill him for real
@noireweiss7624 жыл бұрын
@@KazumiKiguma not gonna lie , an undead molly/lucien wielding the blade sounds awesome on paper
@sqw33k4 жыл бұрын
Legit my second favourite CR-moment of all time. I don't think anything can dethrone Scanlan's lvl 9 counterspell but this whole sequence sure came damn close!
@gothgirlgaming90503 жыл бұрын
That episode sent the entire world into a different realm and honestly I'm not even mad about it
@ryanorusio10562 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion, but I can’t get past episode one of campaign one… I just find the characters less interesting
@lordm29722 жыл бұрын
@@ryanorusio1056 The First Arc in C1 is... Not the best. But It picks up at Arc 3 or known as Briarwood arc
@shambhvilokre Жыл бұрын
@@lordm2972 yeah bit what episode is that
@lordm2972 Жыл бұрын
@@shambhvilokre episode 24 is the official start of the Briarwood arc
@DaniGeez4 жыл бұрын
my neck still hasnt recovered yet
@isaacdickinson45213 жыл бұрын
And this is what cemented Fjord as my favorite character in the Nein. As Talisen said, "he out-Percy-ed Percy," who was my fav in Vox Machina for a similar reason.
@EthalaRide4 жыл бұрын
"If you make a comment about my strength, I might throw you in the lava" "I will- *You Couldn't,* but..." I love Nott, I Love Fjord, I love Cad, I love Caleb, Everyone in this whole moment/arc beat was just so god damn perfect!
@ultravioletunicorns4 жыл бұрын
I'm excited to see how Fjord's personality will be a little different now that he is using his natural accent.
@sniffsnoff50994 жыл бұрын
"I don't have anything to give you other than drugs" -the us government trying to cure depression
@Mosempai Жыл бұрын
Tal has the face of "Yes, yes, This Eldtrich being is no good for you, even if it is fiction. I know because I am one".
@fawkespryde91834 жыл бұрын
I love Beau being like 'I have nothing to give you but drugs' and if that isn't a mood. I don't know what is.
@NotAnotherCar4 жыл бұрын
Do they now have to change the name to ‘Travis Willinham’s Jolly Good Game Farm?’
@diggis794 жыл бұрын
Travis is still Texan I believe.
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
TWYHGR isn't based on Fjord, it's based on Travis. Travis is Texan.
@gazelleguy4 жыл бұрын
I love the thumbnail, looks like a kid in PE dropping the mic on his coach while all his friends on the bleachers are going wild. Also this was one of the best moments of C2, by far.
@jackmiller66174 жыл бұрын
That was the most wholesome scene at the end when they are all started giving him their magical items! Made my day!
@moistnugget141 Жыл бұрын
And then he proceeds to save Beau and Cad with just pure willpower and strength alone. Man the dice-gods mean it good with Travis. The whole worm fight was amazing
@nerdpocalypse50044 жыл бұрын
Man Travis is always great
@terrarising4 жыл бұрын
The whole drama with the change and the sword was awesome live... Sam saying "You couldn't..." killed me until the weekend.
@kindafishy62484 жыл бұрын
Im actually just at episode 2 but i remember the scene were the crownsguard inform them that they'll leave and to stay in the inn. And he just, slams the door after their message. And that was when i knew: He is the guy making powermoves. Glad that this confirmed it.
@KalonOrdona24 жыл бұрын
Exactly, dude, called it the whole time.
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
Powermove is his middle name. Fjord Powermove... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@HonorableCnut Жыл бұрын
Cad- “he’s not powerless, he’s just discovered a new power
And on that fateful night, Fjord looked upon the molten rocks and lava, and decided to YEET!
@thetrustysidekick30134 жыл бұрын
7:06 Taliesen is how I looked that whole time this was going down!
@MisterSmith004 жыл бұрын
With his stats...hmm, he may have to take the Oath of the Ancients Paladin. The tenants of that Oath are pretty simple...protect your own Light, and the Light in the world. A nice change of pace from the visions of powerlust and doom. That, or perhaps Archfey Warlock...that would suit the Wildmother and her domain.
@TheKroganMaster4 жыл бұрын
If they go the full class swap then it could, but he would need to play a defensive or supportive Oath playstyle. Since his attack stats are garbage.
@dyrtybarstud52614 жыл бұрын
I suspect that it will be an opportunity for Matt and Travis to sit down together and explore their creativity. Its an opportunity to investigate the idea of `redeemed`. IDK if we ever really knew if the warlock pact with Uggutoa? was agreed to by Fjord or simply `there` after the shipwreck. I kind of like the idea of a class based around the conscious choice to sacrifice a power rooted in evil that takes a little bit from Paladin, but is more rooted in divine spell based protection/damage reduction and attack rather than the Martial Path.
@deffdefying48034 жыл бұрын
Ya that's basically what happened as of e76, _Refjorged._
@JaxonBurn4 жыл бұрын
Yeah paladin is tricky with low strength and dex. Their spells aren’t really good enough to carry the class on their own. Honestly I’m hoping for sorcerer! He’s got the charisma for it, and sorcerers sometimes come into to their powers through crazy events that happen to them, so it’d be fairly easy to weave it into the story.
@emilysmith29653 жыл бұрын
Tenets. Beliefs of a faith or organization are tenets.
@tarjah80304 жыл бұрын
This episode was so good...! I will miss "Eldritch BLEEEAST" though. "Blost" just doesn't have the same effect...