Did someone say something about meat?

@@MR.MUFFIIN In some of the comments, people are complaining about them butchering meat and eating it.

@@MorningMary67 ahh ok. I didn’t see those. Not sure why they can’t see the beauty in nature. That they are humane and it is what it is

You’re right as there were no vitamin supplements back in those days and if they did exist you’d have to be rich to afford them.

Those same people are self entitled. Used to never have to do anything to get fed. It's a totally diffrent society. Those same people couldn't survive if anything bad ever happened. And you betcha they'd eat it, if they were hungry. Ridiculous... Those are people when you only have enough room on the boat to survive or whatever... for six and seven show... One gotta go. That's the one that's goes. Throw them off. Dead weight and we ain't feeding them,

They do it out of academic curiosity, the passion that drove them to become scholars. That is a pretty powerful motivator.

For those that do eat meat, killing the animal in such a 'kind' and humane way has another benefit: The meat ends up more tender because it wasn't excited and full of adrenaline.

@@galanie that's a reason why fish in japan tastes better. fishermen actually bother to kill them with a knife onboard instead of letting them suffocate.

what’s been shown on animal welfare channels is butchery done by people who’ve never been taught how to properly butcher an animal and are told to get it done in the fastest way possible as a result the animal needlessly suffer. But then again its different when that pig is going just to feed yourself and your immediate family from that going to feed a family in a city.

I raise sheep for meat on a small semi-subsistence farm and, like shown here, I slaughter my lambs on my farm where they've lived all their lives to avoid stressing them so much. It does make a difference in texture and taste and is a calmer experience for both them and myself. It's far more humane than loading them up in my truck and hauling them 90 minutes down to a butcher. I'm lucky in that my butcher comes to me with a specialized refrigerated truck and does them in a part of my farm their mothers don't go later. I also lock their moms away elsewhere so they don't hear or see what's going on but that's more for my feelings and not necessarily theirs.

@@LauraS1 How old are the lambs when they're butchered? I know a lot of people who won't eat lamb because they're picturing the cute, prancing little guy in the field. I assumed they were much older and bigger, and well done with their mothers by then.

@Jim The Raspberry No, his nickname has not been mentioned in any of the other "Historical farm" series, other than one slip of the tongue by Alex in "Victorian Farm".

@@ragnkja Lol - I must have missed that. Then again I wasn't listening for it because I hadn't seen this yet. I've seen four of the more recent series (Victorian, Edwardian [with Alex] and Tudor and Castle [with Tommo]) and there was no nicknamification. I wonder what the story behind "Fonz" is... The ultimate ladies' man?

Aaayyyy-It's a compliment if it's a reference to ultimate cool guy/ladies' man Arthur Fonzarelli of "Happy Days." Lol. At first I thought it might be "Franz," because he mentioned in either the Victorian or Edwardian Farm series that he grew up in Germany. (He says it to a toy maker/merchant.) I thought it could be a friendly joke, calling him a common Teutonic name. But it's definitely Fonz. Maybe he used to wear a black leather jacket at Uni (and I'm sure he was always surrounded by hot chicks) and someone said he looked like the Fonz-Lol. In this series he looks a lot like John Stamos in several shots (a similarity I never would have expected), but then he'd be Uncle whatever (From "Full House").

I concur,,lol

@@annika_panicka He’s Fonz because he’s irresistible to ladies young and old, and probably quite a few gentlemen as well.

Oh, I thought they meant it like "Fauns", not "Fonz". Probably wrong, but I kinda liked it.

I've been learning about Haverhill, Massachusetts circa 1665. Any, Bond, Deal, Deed, or Bargain gone wrong..."I'll steal your cow!", or heifer, steer, oxen. It looks like everyone was related by marriages, in some way, and they all knew each in some way. Contest of contests recorded in Quarterly Court, Essex County (and Norfolk County).

Thank you! I have been wondering the exact same thing. I watched all the other shows first and I can't figure it out. It's been driving me nuts haha.

Jim The Raspberry Alex calls Peter “Fonz” once in “Victorian Farm”, but that’s the only time he’s called that outside of “Tales from the Green Valley” and “A Tudor feast at Christmas”.

@@ragnkja That Tudor Feast was the first one produced, I think...

@Jim The Raspberry, why the hostility? Does Alex owe you money or something? O.o

@@dustbunnieboo lol.....

I know, right?!

that doesn’t mean that they can’t feel the pain!!!

@@d0lph1n63 seeing how Ruth cuts the pig's head off all smiling and gesticulating I'm not so sure anymore. Probably Alex and Peter do feel something for the pig, but I can't vouch for Stewart and Ruth. Also, such a cold-blooded woman like Ruth makes my organ rise... if you know what I mean :)

i mean you’ve got two guys who are holding up a pig carcass and envisioning its their “sweet breads” the butcher’s removing and cutting open. Ouch is right!!!

@@d0lph1n63 yeah...

Crack on

Also a professional team would probably be a big group of men

Jack Jones Even if the comparison was with the same number of workers, it wasn’t a fair comparison.

Well, yes; but I didn’t take it as criticism of the team. I just took it as an acknowledgement of how long it takes to develop expertise in a craft.

Joe Being busy with other tasks is not being slow.

@@Tina06019exactly

Back in those days the thatching of a roof was literally a community event with neighbors all pitching in to help with the project but again the weather is the joker card.

Very interesting, thank you.

My uncle always put fence posts in upside down. I imagine for the same reason

What a useful piece of information! Thank you so much.

How do you tell top from bottom so you know which way to have downwards?

as someone who had grown up in the countryside for 2 decades in the 80s and 90s I fully relate to your story

I can't watch the poor animals being murdered...

Year.... He is a good lad. Quite gentle and loving

Springfairy92 how do you think animals get to the grocery store?

@@bethanyschofield2613 not everyone eats meat.

@@Veronica.John10-10 yes I'm aware. And I respect the right of those who don't but given that this is a period piece and vegans and vegetarians were rare then...it's appropriate.

same.

We may have to as the USA is beginning to look like a failed State.

Ah, south of Boston. Dedham is much different now. To be fair, in 1638, the area was already "settled" with indigenous people/Indians so the land would not have been unsettled or "virgin." Have you heard about the War of 1675, King Phillip's War, and why, really, it occured - when all of New England was under attack in 1675: Indians attacked many settlers homes/towns simultaneously and set them on fire. Why? Indians were tired of being treated like foreigners on their own settled lands: Indian women and children were already captured before 1675 and used as servants in settlers/white peoplke's homes and Indian men were being shipped to the Indies (?) as slaves. The remaining Indian men had had enough and attacked the entitled invaders, the settlers. Also, Indians were semi-nomadic then, living on the coast in warmer months and moving inland in cooler months so the idea of an immovable, stationary home/location (settlers with thatched roofs on a "permanent" house) is contradictory to the Indians "move with the seasons" way of life.

@Jim The Raspberry Lol - watch what you say or Zamfir might come for your soul ...

Maybe the first five times you hear the theme - then it gets tiresome - Lol

Agree

In such a situation, protein is entirely necessary to your survival. You learn. I learned to butcher chickens about a month ago. I cant say I enjoyed it, but it is a necessary skill, and it helps me to know that they had a good life and were killed quickly and humanely

@@karenl6959 .. I hit a deer about 5 o’clock in the morning.. didn’t kill it entirely, had to finish it off with the Jack.. had a good few suppers out of it even though it wrecked my van..

what is this "grid" you keep talking about? And why would it fail?!?

@@blabla-rg7ky The USA's electrical grid is quite fragile...one super large coronal ejection and we are living in the dark ages for years.

@@spazmonkey3815 I think in today's age, and with the cutting edge technology we have it could be fixed quite fast

@@blabla-rg7ky Actually, no. That’s why it’s a worry.

The documentaries are nice, but don't make the mistake of thinking the information there is all you would need to know to survive.

Where you lived. Didn't you know there are other dialects?

harsh living conditions have forced them to be. And they have succeeded, otherwise we wouldn't exist ^_^

That happened at my house in the 60s- 70s.

Old fashioned??? That has been the case FOREVER up until this last generation. Generation X ( me) spoiled our kids. It was a mistake.

I’m a 90’s kid and are what was put in front of me. My mum didn’t make weird foods, so it was easy to eat. But we didn’t get a choice. She made dinner, and we ate it.

Oh I so agree just as you're settled in and Peter agrees with Alex that it's time to wash the Sh💩 off their hands-either the announcer or Stewart(been there16+yrs)comes out with-bla bla was done in a modicum of time in 1630***&neither ever says"They did well using bent eqip a book to learn by,oxen not set to task as normal for them&a field of grass no animals had eaten dwn as it would have been when the farmer of old followed his yearly pattern

Most females of reproductive age know what blood looks like.

@@ragnkja well yes and no. "The monthlies" are range in color from bright blood to dark brown.

Oxygenated blood, which is blood from the Arteries, venous blood is a deeper darker color...

And it ain't blood despite it being bloody. Rather it's a lining of soft tissue and what-not being cleared out. It's not like they're just bleeding or whatever.

except that it's NOT awesome for people to still butcher animals for ANY reason at all. Not in the 21st century. All people should become vegetarians (no, I'm not vegetarian yet but I will become soon) or at least replace meat with something else that doesn't kill anything

burning does stink, and i still do it here in australia on my farm, because water is to precious to waste, it's also less effort, having done both scalding and burning, i actually prefer the burning, despite the smell

Hi, they wouldn't have had "vats" large enough to boil water to scald the pig. Remember this is 1600 ish, metalworks (vats) were made by the local blacksmith.

@less breed I'd imagine that conserving fuel is part of the rationale, as well. Boiling that much water would require a huge amount of heat, which is fine if you have it available, but a tremendous chore when it has to come from firewood that must be felled, collected, and transported.

@Jim The Raspberry "Sweetbreads" is a euphemism for any parts that are tasty but that the butcher's customers are unlikely to want.

I wondered about the small amount of blood too! My father and uncle hung the hog by its back legs, then cut the throat and drained the blood! And there was a lot more blood as I recall! They also used scalding and scraping for the skin, but our hogs were nowhere near that hairy! Kudos to the team for doing as well as they did though! Not a whole lot of people have our memories of actually seeing it done!

If I remember from other series they definitely get better over time. As in, over the course of a few of these series.

Oh the visual your description gives me is just as freezing&stinly as I felt part of watching them-

Trial and error, I suppose

I guess people saw how blood trapped in a piece of meat would be very tasty once cooked, then came the advance to a nice fried slice of Black Pudding, or in France, Boudin Noir. Lovely!

Well since it was a waste not want not type of age you had to use everything in an animal so you had to get creative I suppose. But also using blood isn't just indicative to England but other cultures use blood to make certain dishes like in Asia. It adds textures and flavors

If they were Christians they wouldn’t be allowed to consume blood.

@@Thepourdeuxchanson Tribal groups who live in Africa still drink blood & milk fresh from their animals. They know how to stop the bleeding and keep them alive.

LOL

No one lives forever.

I can imagine her feeling desperate to mend the boys torn shirts and hose. Those holes caused me pain.

It could be that he moved between this show and the later ones. I know that sounds strange but, I’m from the southern part of Maryland and when I go to visit family in southern Virginia my draw deepens to the extent that when I come home after a month stay it takes a week for anyone to understand a thing I say, so maybe his accent altered to his new surroundings. Just a thought.

+Josh Maxson The reason is that modern diet science has been WRONG all these years. Saturated fat has been vilified as a killer when it's not. Pacific Island and Pacific rim cultures consume a lot of saturated fat and don't have high rates of heart disease, either. It was the hydrogenated vegetable oils that were giving us heart disease, not the animal fats or tropical oils.

Organ meats are good for the body, but eating too much of thm causes gout, which was a common ailment n the past. But the rest of the food in their diet was grown without tons of chemicals and the processed with more chemicals. That's what is really causing most of our heath problems today.

Personally I have always thought that ESPECIALLY WOMEN would need meat to provide the extra iron they lost with the blood during their period. The reality today is that it is mostly women who are shying away from eating meat and becoming vegetarians or even vegans. As kacy already pointed out there are consequences of eating TOO MUCH meat though. In one of the episodes of "Wartime Farm" Ruth shows the meat rations per week in Britain during WW2 ... and that is still A LOT. My personal diet usually is less than the lowest ration back then ... but then I am exceeding the healthy dosis of other stuff (milk, butter and sugar). It always comes down to "The dosis makes the poison" ...

Josh. Sugar in large amounts in processed food and drinks is killing us, as i like to call it (the white death) it is hardening our arteries and giving us heart decease, Not natural fats that humans have always eaten, Joe Snow it right in his observations. Modern science has proven this.

Josh Maxson@ Hi, Hi, Organ meats by which I think you mean offal is still regularly (I won't say often) eaten in the UK and often for health benefits, i.e. Liver for vitamins & iron (once a week of pregnant) etc etc. Compared to a modern western diet tbh you probably don't need to eat these cuts. BUT, if you cannot guarantee food to be flown in its probably the right thing to do 😂

Lol, screw augers have been around since 250 B.C.

A HUGE part of the reason for our changed diet is convenience ... due to the fact that we live in much smaller groups of people and even when you have "2 grown ups and 2 children" it is necessary for both parents to be working to make enough money for a living. Or sometimes it is simply the ego (or "feminist propaganda" which tells women to get a job or else you arent "equal" to a man) which makes both go to work ... Having larger families living together makes things like cooking MUCH more economical AND ecological, because you only heat once for lots of people. "Cooking from fresh ingredients" takes a lot of time ... and thus cant be done in our world of singles living alone in a flat.

On the other hand, offamychain, I suspect you relish rotten milk: ever ask for blue cheese dressing? And I'm sure your farming forebears didn't let the pig's liver, kidney, lights and heart go to waste, because they were frugal.

Muck006 much more often, the family's financial needs absolutely dictate that both parents work, hardly a whim inspired by "feminist propaganda" or ego! It's more often need rather than some idiotic whim! What a ridiculous statement!

@@souloftheteacher9427 Cultured or fermented is different from rotten. The bacteria are different and have decidedly different effects on the human stomach and digestive tract. This artificial conflation of the terms is some mental conceit thought up by someone wrongly convinced of his own cleverness.

@@LynxSouth Calm down, dearie. My tongue was in my cheek. I was born that way.

Dry manure has no smell.

I think it's mentioned in other series that they tried using paddles, but you just couldn't work the daub into the cracks in the wattle as well without being able to feel for gaps and use your fingers to shove daub into them. I imagine his hands would have calloused-up in fairly short-order, but I can't imagine it was very comfortable in the meantime.

@@michaelccozens Yeah, I could see that. Thank you for explaining that. The finished result is absolutely gorgeous!

I would have made gloves.

Pretty sure by this time, turnips and parsnips were already known in Britain. I'm not sure about potatoes.

Potatoes are a New World vegetable, bred by the Incas. It came to England from the Virginia colony in the 1580's. History says it was Sir Walter Raleigh who brought it.

Turnips and parsnips were native to England and to most of Europe, I think, or had been farmed there for so long nobody knows when they were first grown. The rutabaga/swede hadn't arrived yet.

Came to England, as Angela said, about 1858, but didn't completely spread over the entire country until the early 1700's.

Oh, I think he's had it for a while, they just never use it after this. That said, I always interpretted it as them calling him "Fauns", not "Fonz". Guess that shows my primary influences though.

yeah...

It's the life of a farm. You breed your animals, give them a name, feed them well, care for them and give them the best life you can and then end it as painlessly as possible. As a result, you have worked hard for your food, and you wind up with tender meat, and it is way more humane than buying it from a grocery store. In so many ways it is more humane.

the dung is only part of the mixture. It helps hold the mixture together, along with any other plant matter added to it, and gives the final "plaster" a bit more longevity

@@courtneym75 Thank you. Would clay and plant matter only work? I guess to a certain extent it would just no the longevity.

@@michael.bombadil9984 No. Clay cracks in hot weather. It would crumble quickly. The dung has much finer particles of plant matter that help hold the clay and straw together.

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Auger bits have been used for over 2000 years, and you are underestimating the skill of local blacksmiths of the time.

Auger drills have been used since 250 B.C.

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Salt probably would have been an import back then

​@@aorta321 You get salt from drying out salt water. The British Isles are surrounded by the ocean. Import? lol

This Fonz person became Peter.

me neither. I mean, in a society like ours I couldn't do it, because if - god forbid! - there was a global catastrophe and the few left survivors had to start evolution from the prehistoric age I would drool at slaughtering the animals and eating them. But for evolved, semi-civilized beings like us, killing other creatures seems repulsive, degrading and insulting to our image of superior beings

@@blabla-rg7ky What do you mean “evolved”? Do you think the animal meat at the market is found in nature like that? People are still slaughtering animals, most just don’t get to do it themselves.

@@Marlaina I mean superior (so, evolved) human beings don't consume meat. They are vegetarians at worst, or don't eat anything at all. Sure, we are are not THAT evolved yet, but you hear a lot of morons bragging about what an evolved society we are

If you had to produce your own food or starve, you would slaughter an animal. Of course, it's survival of the fittest, so probably you wouldn't make it.

laserbeam 002 Nope. They are both grown, harvested and eaten in almost identical fashions, and look kind of similar so I could see why you would say that. But biologically they are not in the same family or even order for that matter. Medlars are rosids, persimmons are asterids.

I was wondering the same. We have lots of persimmons here in the south U.S. and they are eaten practically identical ... rotten. There are not as many as several decades ago however, because they are almost a nuisance crop in pastures and on fencerows. So it's common to bushhog them down or cut them out of the fences. Tastes have changed also and people just don't eat them much anymore, same as huckleberries.

@@offamychain And elderberries, both of which make absolutely beautiful jam, if you can get ahold of them.

@Sheila T. Little house on the prarie is a few hundred years later than this. Also, remember, these are a historian, three archaeologists, and one reenactor. This was their first show like this so a lot of it was trial and error and working from period sources.

jack simper: Didn't you see them burning the skin in the fire? Didn't you know heat kills microbes? Most of the danger from contamination is from bacteria in the gut.

I don't know, but I love how he perks up when the guy butchering is explaining the cooking method for the pig's testicle. It's like "Oi, I'll eat it now. No cooking required." Lol

I think the guy's wincing was mostly watching testicles getting cut open.

When you are eating vegetables, you are eating a plant corpse.

It may be just the coloration due to the breed of pig. They're crossed with wild boar so they're not quite like modern breeds. Even internal organs can look slightly different in colour and texture .

Why is the cold water in the bathroom always colder than the cold water in the kitchen?