I actually considered starting a KZfaq channel as a "flat earther" who keeps failing. I'd even get my wife in on the act by having her interrupt me during my videos and telling me what a loser I am. But flat earthers have done all these things already, so now it's old hat.

Ben also doesn't understand that airplanes aren't as big as the country of Saudi Arabia

Arguing with flerfs is like trying to eat water with a fork.

It's funny that there are zero photographs of a flat earth, only illustrations.

Noone proves the globe better than a flat earther.

I'm a pilot and I will just say a aircraft in flight is always in motion and controls are always being made to maintain a level flight, the tiny amount of earth curvature is being accounted for by the simple fact that altitude will change over time but autopilot or the pilot itself will counteract it because the autopilot is set to a altitude and it does that by changing the pitch/nose up or down, Even with no control input aircraft will not fly in a perfect straight line it will deviate because of turbulence or changing air currents and also changes to weight distribution of fuel and passengers, If you watch some videos of a boeing aircraft in cruise you may notice a wheel spinning frequently that is a trim wheel which changes the pitch of the aircraft to maintain a level flight set via autopilot

Flat earthers. know enough to ask questions and be curious. Don't know enough to understand any of the answers.

Flat earthers all seem to suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect. They also completely underestimate how big the earth is.

My hypothesis is that Ben will ignore this video, delete his own video and finds something else to misinterpret or misunderstand to mislead his audience.

I didn’t realize that airplanes are 600 miles long You learn something new every day

If the Earth were flat, it would be a paradise for cartographers, wouldn't it?

Doctors: There’s nothing beyond brain death. Flerfs: Hold my beer.

Professor Dave pointed out a perfect counter to the plane argument: on the flat earth, a plane would have to be constantly banking right if flying east to west, or constantly left if flying west to east. And the bank would have to be more pronounced the farther north you go. No constant banking, no flat earth.

Ask a flat earther in Australia to take a photo of Polaris. Wonder how that would work out.

Navigators living hundreds of years ago would be shaking their heads at flat earthers and their "theories".

if the earth was flat I should be able to see the tallest mountains from one side of the earth to the other with a telescope.

He deserves a Nobel prize for solving the rocket problem "have you tried pointing your plane up?"

Oh man, you used math and science. Now he is going to be extra confused.

If you tell a pilot that the earth is flat, they will only respond after laughing at you.

Trying to talk sense into a flat earther is like trying to push smoke up a cat's arse with a knitting needle.

I love that we're calling the firmament a Tupperware lid now, brilliant

"If we lived on a globe it's axiomatic" Firstly, planes land nose up, so no, it is not 'axiomatic'. Secondly, if we lived in a world where our airplanes were maybe 2,000 km long, the 'nose-dipping' might be a thing, but scale has always escaped flerfs.

Strange isn't it? Flerfs love to use aviation examples so frequently to "prove" the Earth is Flat... When not one commercial pilot can be found, who agrees with them. Nor can they claim a single commercial ocean navigator is a Flerf.

The unintended consequences of the internet and "social" media is catastrophic to society.

"I'll accept your evidence, but only under the condition that it might help prove what I already believe." What a joke.

Using that same logic if we lived on a giant space pizza would you have to continually bank left or right depending on direction traveled to stay on a latitudinal line? That seems like a test they could do.

Pilot here, though not commercial. The pilot does NOT need to ever nose down to keep going around the globe, that happens automatically, and not by autopilot, but this thing called gravity, which we might as well think of as a string going from the center of the earth to the center of gravity of the aircraft, so you never need to nose down due to the earth being a globe, you do need to nose down and up at times, but due to changes in wind, speed, and heat (thermals), not the ground falling away.

Quite a conspiracy that manages to include every pilot ever. Bravo flerps.

In his email, Ben said this: "I highly doubt that I can have an intelligent conversation with an honest and objective person." I agree with his hypothesis here.

Will Ben be honest and violate the axiom: "gotta lie to flerf"?

The aircraft 'dipping of the nose' argument always makes me laugh because they never bother to account for the left/right corrections which would be necessary to fly east/west on a flat earth.

8:40 can we just pause and appreciate the absolute breathtaking beauty of the sky during that timelapse?! My god, to think how much technology goes into a vessel that allows us to go into space and yet we are on this biological spaceship flying through the universe all along. The milkyway is just so gorgeous! Great footage!

At 3:40 ... sure sounds like a clear case of him admitting flat Earth is bullshit without him actually saying flat Earth is bullshit. But he wants to continue lying for the few dollars it nets him anyway

The “dipping” of the nose of planes have been debunked by Wolfie using the HUD display of his plane!

I super appreciate that you do not denigrate, rather accept the academic challenge genuinely. I think this is the best way to keep "their" mind open, and also you serve as a wonderful example for anyone approaching the task of discussing a potentially emotional topic with someone sincere but misinformed. Great presentation!

What I don’t understand about Flat Earthers is that they believe the world is flat, but the moon (and most celestial objects) is a ball. ONLY the Earth is flat. Baffling.

So by the FE logic if on a globe a plane must “nose down” to maintain altitude, well if we follow that logic on a flat earth a plane must always bank to the left or Right to maintain a east or west heading. If they says that’s not the case the next question is what is the force that keeps the plane level and on the same heading on the FE?

The flerfs are slipping up. This is not the only example. Hilariously, Flatzoid debunked himself in his recent "Dare You" stream at 1:44:15 by mentioning that the summer sunlight times for his bother in Cape Town were about an hour longer than for him (Flatzy) further north and thus closer to the tropic. His response about this was just to say "weird", without realising the significace of this debunking not only the flat earth, but their claim that the sun sets by going too far away to see. PS. You may want to point this out to him in your debate with him tonight.

This is one of my favorites, thinking planes would ascend into space.

It’s very funny how making any flat earth stuff work or even believing in it you are playing reality of not just hard mode, but the nightmare mode you unlock after beating the game at least once. Flat earth makes everything so ABSURDLY complex when things are complicated enough already, but for no reason.

My favorite example of this was the UK KZfaqr Tigerdan925. He accidentally proved the earth wasn't flat across several videos and was willing to admit that he could no longer say the earth was flat. (Though he hadn't determined that it was a globe) Sadly he got bullied off the Internet by other flat earthers and deleted his videos from his channel.

I really, really hate the 'turn the nose down' argument. Airplanes don't have to turn their nose down to compensate for the curvature of the globe for the same reason you don't have to turn down the nose of your car when you crest a hill. The balance of forces involved do that for you.

I was an operations specialist second class in the Navy I worked in the combat information center and along with the navigation of the ship we also had to plot routes for the firing of weapons and guess what's one of the things we always had to take into account when doing our job. we are spinning on the globe

Flat earthers: "If Earth was a globe, planes would need to dip their nose downwards on a globe" No flat earther ever: "If Earth was flat, planes would need to constantly turn left when flying eastwards, even on the equator or the southern whatever-they-call-the-hemisphere"

A flat earther posting globe evidence? What a shock! It's never happe... Oh who are we kidding, it's all they do. Gotta love it. Also gotta lie to flerf.

Someone claiming clouds are mountains hits me close to home. I live in Indiana. The closest mountains to us are the Appalachians. When I was in 7th grade I was riding the bus to school as the sun was rising, and one of my cousins was awestruck by the mountains on the horizon behind which the sun was rising... He couldn't get over how amazing it looked. Those "mountains" were clouds. I was completely baffled.

I'm an archer, I hate that when I fire my arrow, I initially have to run after the arrow and keep pointing its nose down so it doesn't fly off into space. Once its momentum starts to reduce, thankfully gravity thanks over...because I'm exhausted by then.

He should have given up when he saw the rotation to the right, totally expected on a Globe and Totally Impossible on a flat-earth with a dome. But no, he continued to sink deeper and deeper in his attempt to prove his hypothesis.

I will never get bored of that "oops" meme 😁

This makes me think, if you asked a flerf to draw a circle. They'd draw a square, hexagon, polygon etc. As a constant curve is beyond their comprehension...

If the earth was flat, then a plane would have to constantly tilt to the left or right in order to take straight paths west or east.

He wrote flat earthers “blaze new ground” while using Stone Age science! 😂hilarious

Ouch, so he prooved curvature and rotation. Classic flerf move!

A planes nose doesn’t dip. The plane just maintains altitude.

"Planes have to constantly tilt downwards and they don't" Well on a flat earth they have to constantly turn left or right in order to not fly off the disk....

I love when somebody explains in a calm way to flatearthers that they are utterly wrong...

It's a law of flerfdom that all flat Earth proofs are just misunderstood globe Earth proofs.

Every flat eather failed to appreciate the size of the earth, and most of their nonsense came from just that.

An airplane flying off out of earth is hilarious. 🤣😂

As a programmer, that's some really nice software by your friend!

I always love the plane needing to tilt down to adjust for the curve. They can’t grasp that level will always be relative to your location on earth due to gravity. “This is your captain speaking, buckle up we’re approaching the curve of the earth.

Flat earthers really forget the earth is constantly in rotation

There is nothing funnier than when a flat earther explains that this is a mystery for us.

"Downwards" seems to be a such difficult concept for FE:s, doesn't it. In school, my physics teacher use a pvc pipe, a string, and a weight to demonstrate "conservation of angular momentum". I am sure this is done by most teachers around the world. Except perhaps in the USA? Threading the string through the pipe, tying the weight to one end of the string, he then held the unweighted end of the string in one hand, the pipe at the same end with his other hand, and started to make a circular movment with the other (weight side) end of the pipe. As anyone can imagine, the weight started to wizz around, and by letting out or pulling in the string, the velocity of the weight could be changed . Conservation of angular momentum demonstrated. He then expanded the scope of the lesson by asking : "What do you think that _down_ is, for that weight?" The question make me realise that "downwards" is quite the conditional concept. For the weight wizzing around the end of that pipe, "down" was in the direction of the string towards the end of the pipe. This regardless of the apparent "down" from my point if view. Or as it is also said, regardless of my frame of reference. It also gave me an idea of what gravity is. In this experience represented by the teacher's hold on the string. Eventhough we can't _see_ the string that transfer the gravitational force, it is undeniably there.

predictions on Ben's response: he'll either be confused by this elaborate evidence or he understands and lies about it... as usual 😂

If the Earth was flat, cats would have knocked everything off by now.

Expecting an aircraft to have the pilot needing to make noticeable nose down or tail up tweaks for "curvature correction" amongst all the minor control movements for wind etc, is disappointingly unsurprising.

One of the stars he chose isn't even a star, but the star cluster M7...

To add to the conversation, Google Earth Pro shows the sky, AFAIK, somewhat accurately (as it is not really hard to implement), desktop version has a time feature that can roughly replicate the features of this flight, the flat earther scrubs through the path with set time and does not use that feature, leading to his wrong conclusion.

The Altimeter is the Aircraft Cockpit Instrument that keeps the Aircraft in Level Flight and at the Same Altitude throughout a Flight!

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🌐 *Flat Earther Debunking* - Flat Earther Ben unintentionally debunks his own flat Earth beliefs in various videos. 01:08 ✈️ *Understanding Flight Dynamics* - Ben misunderstands flight dynamics, claiming airplanes must constantly dip their noses on a globe. - Ben's lack of understanding in basic geometry is evident. - Level flight on a globe means no change in elevation, contrary to Ben's misconception. 03:11 🌐 *Flurf's Third Law* - Flat Earther's pseudoscientific approach is exposed, applying double standards in evaluating flat Earth and globe evidence. - Ben acknowledges a mystery in flat Earth but dismisses similar mysteries in globe evidence. - The inconsistency in evaluating evidence reveals the Third Law of flurfs. 04:33 🛰️ *Testing a Hypothesis* - Ben proposes a hypothesis regarding using an attitude indicator to show curvature adjustment and axial rotation. - The potential evidence is considered a significant flat Earth proof by Ben. - The stage is set for testing Ben's hypothesis using a time-lapse video of a flight from Munich to Sao Paulo. 09:14 🌍 *Testing the Globe Hypothesis* - Ben analyzes a time-lapse video, expecting stars to rise if the plane's nose drops as per globe curvature. - Google Earth is used to model the flight with stars, but it lacks star position modeling. - An astronomer friend astrometrically solves the time-lapse, confirming globe predictions and debunking flat Earth claims. 15:22 🌐 *Results of Testing* - The analysis reveals a downward curvature adjustment during the flight, supporting the globe model. - Both the nose of the plane and star rotation act as attitude indicators, confirming axial rotation of the Earth. - Ben's own criteria for evidence acceptance are met, challenging him to acknowledge the results. Made with HARPA AI

I think I've done four or five different video's on the "dipping the nose" foolishness' but these guys are incredibly resilient. The entire concept of CG and center of lift goes completely over their heads (pun intended). They clearly don't grasp the gravity of the situation (yep - another pun). Keep up the good fight Toon!

When aircraft are on landing approach, they normally do so nose-up & dropping in altitude -- combined with changes in thrust. Curiously, the flerfs haven't yet realized what insight this provides for why aircraft don't "need to drop the nose" for level flight over a spherical planet. In fact, our planet could be a giga-space-Frisbee, cube, pyramid, dodecahedron or sphere, the aerodynamic performance of the aircraft dictates where & how it can fly within a given layer of the atmosphere.

One thing I have to say is you bring respect to this persons ideas and calling them hypothesis is something you don’t see much. Good for you!

My Dad was a land surveyor, and once surveyed a power pylon line through the Canadian Rockies. The distances he was surveying were such that he needed to incorporate the radius of the earth and factor of pi in his calculations. A triangle on a sphere, when big enough relative to the radius of that sphere, has different trigonometry to a triangle on a flat surface. Anyone can learn how to use a theodolite and head into a big enough mountain range and do the math themselves (do they still teach trigonometry at high school?) BTW, I'd never heard the term."Flerf" before this video.

I have been to Brazil and I can say for sure that yes, the stars and constellations are "Upside down". Boom! Globe confirmed.

here's a great idea for flerfs: get the dreaded laser gyroscope on board of an airplane and measure the angular change over a long distance flight. measure the exact time it took in hours and multiply by 15° subtract the result from the angular change of the flight if flying against the spin of the earth and add it if flying with the spin of the earth (there's a 50/50 chance I've mixed up the directions) 😅

Nobody debunks flat-earth likes flerfers themselves.

Flat earthers has nothing to do whether the earth is flat or not.. it’s about them having a community together and they will self-delude themselves into that common belief.

This Baboon Conspiracy guy gives me a pain.

"Cosmic tupperware lid"...😅...does it come with a lifetime guarantee?

The earth isnt flat...its actually a square

The most stupid thing is that flat earthers can't fathom the actual size of the planet. Just like their picture of the plane, if they actually use the real size, they will realize how small that plane is really when compared to the Globe.

I commend you for your tolerance in dealing with idiots and plain outright stupidity. I once personally rejected a new acquaintance as a friend after finding he was a flat-earther.

Funny how globers don't have to delete videos because they've been debunked

They don't want the truth anymore, they want to be right. That's the problem.

What an absolute fail. He just assumed Google Earth models star positions and didn't bother to check? Or is he so dishonest he felt comfortable lying to his audience and just hoped they wouldn't notice he didn't put the date in anywhere? Nice of him to attempt an analysis, but of course he didn't have a clue where to actually start.

7:10 ...a dirt pizza with a Tupperware lid...😂

guy's yt description probably says "flat eathers all around the globe"

Everyone knows that flat earth is a silly joke.

Airplanes trim their controls. The reference for that trim is sideways straight, no roll, and vertically level (ie constant height). This means that they will nose down ever so slightly, but it is neglible compared to other causes of need for trim, such as current weight distribution, air pressure, speed, gyroscopic effects from engines and so on. Trimming is just something the pilot does to make the plane flight on course when there is no control input, and he does it with the ground as reference.

Dear Flat Earther. The road surface of the Golden Gate bridge is poured LEVEL with the superstructure truss underneath. When cars drive over the bridge they don't need to dip DOWN to go over the curve. If they don't change lanes then they are driving STRAIGHT as they go over the curve. A cars frame in the center is tangent to the curve. A truck bed is FLAT in relation to the curve. It's also TANGENT to the curve. Placing a carpenter square against a up/ down railing at the north enf at a given height from the road will give you a 90deg angle. A carpenter level done the same at the south end will also give a 90deg angle but both ends 90deg will not be on the same plane. Even though both are at the same height from the road surface and both are at 90deg. Glad I could clarify Geometry for you.

"its a mystery for Flat-earth" Funny its not for those that are not flat earthers.

Right out of the gate, his first graphic is a boeing 737 the size of Africa. Splendid!

Ben: ''It's axiomatic...'' A flat earther talking about axioms, yeah, right.

You know what they say, it takes years to build a stellar reputation but only seconds to ruin it. Its in danger of losing its 'ivey' league status if this keeps up.

I have always thought Flat Earthers were just a joke. Are you telling me that there are people that really believe the world is flat? Can education really lack that much with people?

I like how you caught on to his "attitude" indicator, instead of the "altitude" indicator. I was laughing at that one!

Ben is about to become a Glober if he ever starts practicing what he preaches

How many times are they going to do this before they come to the understanding?