Flatpak & Flathub Changed The Linux Desktop
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The flatpak format has been around for close to 9 years now and the main way to acquire flatpaks is through the Flathub store and recently it passed a giant milestone of 2 billion downloads.
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@BrodieRobertson 5 күн бұрын
> KZfaqr mentions Brazil > Commenters from Brazil > "It's my time to shine"
@luizansounds 5 күн бұрын
As a Brazilian I can confirm, we may or may not dominate chats whenever mentioned
@rawrrrer 5 күн бұрын
Brazil™️
@rockyamethyst 5 күн бұрын
Brazil mentioned, assemble the armies!
@softwarelivre2389 5 күн бұрын
So you discovered the free hack for boosting the comments. Indeed
@tarcisiosurdi 5 күн бұрын
OMG Brazil mentioned!!! 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
@vberz4778 5 күн бұрын
Germans value privacy a lot. There was time when Google StreetView didn't existed for Germany quite many years, because laws forbidden any filming of any private land without permission from each owner; while it existed in all neighboring countries. Germany has Linux desktop in some government institutions now. I like Germany.
@Yeugeo 5 күн бұрын
As a German I am very proud to read this thanks :)
@Butterscotch_96 5 күн бұрын
Damn I might move to Germany when I’m older
@seanthiar 4 күн бұрын
You can still request from google that your home isn't shown on Street View in Germany and hey have to do this.
@szaszm_ 4 күн бұрын
@@Butterscotch_96 This is a plus, but there are many negatives too. I guess the eastern states had enough of the Stasi.
@Rac3r4Life 4 күн бұрын
I doubt it has anything to do with that. Just like the US has a lot of installs because it's the economic center of the planet, Germany has a lot of installs because it's the economic center of the EU.
@piekay7285 5 күн бұрын
Germany always had a strong Linux community. Microsoft even tried to stop the sale of Linux distributions in the early 2000s. We always were very privacy focused here, so probably that’s the reason
@TremereTT 5 күн бұрын
I think (no scientific data just feels) It's the mix of several things: -Even regular Germans are very privacy aware. If you want to spy or record us your are in for a beating! We don't need a stasi here. -Germany had for a long time a culture that goes against the ways intellectual property is perceived today! Napster for example was a legal place to exchange your private music! And we had the right to create private copies of anything we liked and spread it to up to 5 friends or relatives. This copyability and non-existence of a pay-me-for-each-copy-licence in Linux (Suse aka Slackware) is the cultural appeal of that OS. -Linux and free-software appeals even to the more "I just followed orders" type of German, as it has a clear image of an enemy (unfree closed source software and mostly Microsoft) and a big support group to hate and fight that enemy . -Germans love Clubs/Associatons if there is a thing that could get organized it will be organized. And Free Software delivers so any excuses to open a new club or get membership in a new association. Just look at the Chaos Computer Club. Even those "we are oh so free and unrestricted" mother fuckers couldn't hold back the German urge to get their hobby horse organized into a club.
@olliestudio45 5 күн бұрын
Per capita the number for Germany must be much higher than for the US (if I am not very much mistaken). It would also be interesting to compare the US and Europe.
@mysticknight487 5 күн бұрын
Don't forget the Munich government mandated Linux on government computers for a while before the latest change in government switched them back to Windows. They've switched back and forth many times 2014, 2017, 2020 and I'm sure other times.
@vincentschult1725 5 күн бұрын
@@mysticknight487Iirc Schleswig-Holstein recently switched to Linux too!
@atomfriedfallout5503 5 күн бұрын
I'm from Germany and when I started with Linux a few years back my English wasn't as good as it is now but you would still find a lot of information, documentation and most important a helpful community in German which I think helps a lot.
@gnuplusmatt 5 күн бұрын
Google Chrome being so high could be a litmus test of the number of "normies" actually using linux
@stevethepocket 4 күн бұрын
Or the number of Linux users needing a way to access stuff that doesn't work in Firefox. Which, for a good couple of weeks, included all of KZfaq.
@blasiankxng 4 күн бұрын
@@stevethepocketthere's so many better chromium based browsers tho, so definitely could show "normie" usage lol
@flickeringscreens211 4 күн бұрын
@@stevethepocket I just use ungoogled chromium for that stuff.
@G0A7 4 күн бұрын
@@blasiankxng Linux is normie
@obsidianrazor 4 күн бұрын
It's more likely that many companies use google docs as their office suite and thus you need Chrome to use them effectively. This is why I use it on my work computer.
@mrnadra6843 5 күн бұрын
Looks like we finally found the one standard most people can agree on. Hopefully this encourages app developers to find the courage to throw their apps on there
@someguy9175 5 күн бұрын
Everyone unless you are on canonical's payroll
@flarebear5346 5 күн бұрын
Everyone unless you do something that has to interact with the system like a cli tool
@no_name4796 5 күн бұрын
@someguy9175 yeah canonical had to force ubuntu flavors to use snap, otherwise a single distro would come with snap instead of flatpaks
@AndrewMorris-wz1vq 5 күн бұрын
@@flarebear5346 Just need some way to use distroboxes tools automatically with flatpak and we might just have it all figured out for the first time in a minute
@WyvernDotRed 5 күн бұрын
@@flarebear5346 which is completely doable with flatpaks, using aliases for decent intergration. Additionally, the -command= syntax and I stdin can be used normally. The underlying bubblewrap tool also is fully CLI operated. This usecase simply is underdeveloped, though the MPV flatpak is an example.
@telotawa 5 күн бұрын
"back then no one used mastodon" me, using mastodon in 2017:
@Doctor_Glados 5 күн бұрын
Yes Brodie was way out of line. How could he ignore all 4 of you...
@_Lumiere_ 5 күн бұрын
@Doctor_Glados hey! That's not an insignificant portion of the linux community
@BrodieRobertson 5 күн бұрын
@@Doctor_Glados I was one of those 4 lol
@4nyNoob 5 күн бұрын
as brodie said, you didn't exist back then, I'm sorry, but someone had to tell this to you :(
@tui3264 5 күн бұрын
actually add 5th
@seeibe 5 күн бұрын
I just got recommended the video earlier today where Linus complains about the lack of a standard for distributing apps on the Linux desktop and now this gem drops
@wearegeek 5 күн бұрын
About the Open Source / Germany thing: Suse is a German distribution. It was one of the first major distributions tailored to desktop/workstation usage. And probably the very first distro that sold installation CD's (like 7 CD's loaded with thousands of packages) along with installation and usage manuals on a large scale, in retail stores. Also there was a pretty strong movement at the start of the 00's to move all government software to open source (back when Open Office was still owned by Sun Microsystems and SuSe Linux by Novell). It has been reverted to Microsoft later on, but I believe since a few years there is a strong resurgence to promote and prioritize FLOSS in government/public sectors again.
@JackTheOwl 5 күн бұрын
Wooow Started Linux with these Suse Linux box (and books that comes with) ... without internet initially!
@wearegeek 5 күн бұрын
@@JackTheOwl Yeah, back then it was the only viable way to install a Linux desktop environment. No way you were going to download Gnome/KDE and related software with a 56k6 modem. 😅
@MegaManNeo 5 күн бұрын
@@JackTheOwl I remember seeing these in Karstadt all the time when I was still a kid. Great stuff indeed.
@mstarOnYT 4 күн бұрын
there have been multiple attempts of moving government stuff over to Linux, but all failed so far. Mainly because they always set way too big of a scope (iirc one time the scope was to make their own distro even). Another attempt is now going on the highest level. Previous ones were mostly cities trying their hands
@MegaManNeo 4 күн бұрын
@@mstarOnYT Funniest thing is still how the EU wants to be independent yet they stick with Microsoft Office.
@JeoshuaCollins 5 күн бұрын
Re: Chrome Flatpak It's literally the only flatpak I have installed on my wife's laptop when I helped her switch over to Linux. I couldn't stand the idea of just letting Chrome run rampant, and figured that even tho Flatpak offers a fairly weak sandbox, it was better than nothing, since she insisted she absolutely needed Chrome.
@knghtbrd 5 күн бұрын
Install Chromium and change the icon. 😈
@tablettablete186 5 күн бұрын
Just would like to warn you that flatpaks chrome has a "broken" namespace sandbox.
@akosv96 5 күн бұрын
@@tablettablete186and every other browser for that matter. Tried firefox and had the same problem when trying to connect KeePass to it. Got me frustrated after trying multiple browsers. SteamOS is kinda annoying for this.
@razzeeee 5 күн бұрын
@@tablettablete186 please raise an issue, if you really think/can prove this - we recently had this for brave and it turned into a non issue
@tablettablete186 5 күн бұрын
I think YT deleted some comments here
@razzeeee 5 күн бұрын
I do think the hacker community of the chaos computer club in germany plays a role in why floss is so big here, but it's probably just one factor of many.
@orbatos 5 күн бұрын
They were influential, but far moreso in Europe than the US of course.
@razzeeee 4 күн бұрын
@@orbatos we were specifically talking about germany
@roninnder 4 күн бұрын
That’s probably it. I’m in a FOSS club in America, but there’s only 6 of us. That’s probably why FOSS isn’t so popular here. Sorry, all.
@HaniiPuppy 5 күн бұрын
9:51 - The Steam Deck may not have accounted for as many downloads as that, but it *did* demonstrate to a mainstream audience that a relatively user-friendly and stable Linux system _can_ run with only being able to install Flatpak apps, and that it benefits from this.
@MechanicaMenace 5 күн бұрын
I've been using Linux since the late 90s and using my Steam Deck convinced me I could switch over to an "immutable"/atomic distro on my main laptop. I've seen quite a few Windows diehards find it a good argument for at least trying a dual boot setup. Honestly while I can't see a general release of SteamOS3 bringing on "the year of Linux on the Desktop" I can see it being a tipping point in how people perceive Linux.
@whiskytangofoxtrot_ 5 күн бұрын
@@MechanicaMenace I think that if valve releases a desktop steamos3 it may hurt more than help in the short term.
@MiodragSimke 4 күн бұрын
@@whiskytangofoxtrot_Why?
@vendetta.02 4 күн бұрын
@@whiskytangofoxtrot_ a desktop steamos3 would help way more than hurt lmao
@Henry-sv3wv 3 күн бұрын
The Big costly steam deck does only have 1 TB of SSD and then we have to use bloatpak to lose even more disk space ...
@obsidianrazor 5 күн бұрын
The answer to the Germany question is SuSe :p Everyone always forgets the lizard
@MrJosch700 5 күн бұрын
Also in general germany had a really promising tech sector. A lot of it died but it's slowly getting better again
@vitasomething 5 күн бұрын
one of the very first distros (pre-slackware) was also german, called "Deutsche Linux Distrobition"
@MegaManNeo 5 күн бұрын
My distro of choice by now. Moin Moin an dieser Stelle.
@citywitt3202 4 күн бұрын
Runs on all my servers :)
@michaelwright2986 4 күн бұрын
And the first distribution of Linux I ever tried was Knoppix--which, I think, pioneered the live CD format.
@MrNyagasu 5 күн бұрын
🇧🇷 Brazil Mentioned! 🇧🇷 We are the reason that "free as in free beer" is also important for software. My work requires a lot of image editing but I cannot afford an Adobe subscription.
@Tentri 5 күн бұрын
To be fair libre means the same in spanish
@UnderEu 5 күн бұрын
Tamo junto :P
@user-xv8xh2ib6p 5 күн бұрын
What is this Brazil mentioned trend? Why everyone get exited when Brazil is mentioned?
@Tentri 5 күн бұрын
@@user-xv8xh2ib6p people get excited when their country gets mentioned, even more if their country isn't usually mentioned, for example my country Costa Rica, when someone mentions it, even if it is for something bad I react like "oh wow they know we exist"
@rocketguedes 5 күн бұрын
@@Tentriyeah that’s the feeling
@AdamS-lo9mr 5 күн бұрын
The free desktop group does so much good work. It's amazing to have them working on the Linux desktop.
@taotie86 3 күн бұрын
North Korea with modest 316 downloads: insert "I'm doing my part!" meme
@dexterman6361 5 күн бұрын
Just as a note, flatpak sandbox isn't a good sandbox from a security standpoint. It's more of a "works almost everywhere"-box than a sandbox.
@michadybczak4862 4 күн бұрын
And it still provides issues... That is why I dislike such formats and use them only if I have no other choice.
@vendetta.02 4 күн бұрын
@@michadybczak4862 they are better lol they dont have any issues which arent fixable, flatpak fundamentally is better, the issues flatpak has arent inherent issues with the format and are only implementation issues which are fixable (and are getting fixed)
@rogo7330 Сағат бұрын
Insert text about how people constructing new ways to share files without actually trying to isolate processes so they could not affect other processes.
@SrWorfwood 5 күн бұрын
Valve needs to take control of the Steam flatpak. The deb made sense at first when Ubuntu was the clearly better option but that's not the case anymore, hasn't been in a long time, and a distro agnostic package makes more sense these days. I also think it would be funny to see how Canonical would handle that situation.
@MyAmazingUsername 5 күн бұрын
They don't want to. Their cited reasons are difficult maintenance, lots of broken features, VR CAN'T work, gamepads don't work without special device rules, Proton game performance is 1-20% worse than the non-sandboxed app, and Nvidia loses driver overnight, and frequent issues with things like multiple instances of Steam running by accident. And much more...
@hecate6834 4 күн бұрын
@@MyAmazingUsername What do you mean VR can't work? Same as with gamepads you set up some udev rules (and give the vrcompositor one extra capabilities) and you are good to go, possibly an argument for something Flatpak can't do yet I guess. Where did you get the performance numbers from? Not my experience, I did see the "multiple instances" thing before though
@tablettablete186 4 күн бұрын
@@hecate6834The performance numbers should probably be related to CPU bound games. They take a hit on performance because of the SECCOMP filters used.
@SrWorfwood 3 күн бұрын
@@MyAmazingUsername Where did they say that? Because that isn't my experience with the unofficial flatpak at all. Gamepads seem to work just fine and I can't notice any real difference in performance in games. Maybe I was just lucky, but I find that very unlikely. The only time I remember seeing a Valve employee criticize flatpak his issue was lack of decent documentation but he didn't mention anything else.
@gljames24 5 күн бұрын
KZfaq killing off Google Play Music is the reason I use ad blockers on KZfaq and don't pay for premium anymore. It was great and they killed it like everything else. Tried Spotify for a while, but now I just use a Navidrome server.
@Grunchy005 3 күн бұрын
You use a server for mp3 files? Did you know you can just copy them onto a flash memory and access them without using internet bandwidth? I found out I don't need the "cloud" whatsoever, I can load whatever data onto cheap flash memory and take it anywhere, practically.
@theworldoffun8997 5 күн бұрын
Since Linux distros have modern display server, Wayland, sound server, Pipewire, accessibility framework, Pipewire and sandboxed apps distribution system that can be packaged by developers themselves instead of someone else, Flatpak, I think Linux can really become popular among both users and developers.
@WyvernDotRed 5 күн бұрын
Pretty much. I like to compare the current state of Linux to Android. Perhaps Wayland can be compared to Android 5 and up, X11 to 4.2 and below given the technical change there. But with how rough things can still be, the early days would be more appropriate. It is amazing to see how the Linux app and desktop ecosystem are developing. Here's hoping COSMIC helps to somewhat remedy GNOME's standards breaking snowflake syndrome. This as KDE Plasma will really stay the system for the tinkerers and power users, despite my significant preference for it.
@Ihwaz13 5 күн бұрын
@@WyvernDotRedAndroid is by far the most commonly used Linux distro. It is a very unusual one but it still is one
@gljames24 5 күн бұрын
Pipewire is even better. It's a AV media stream server!
@f25key57 5 күн бұрын
At this pace next year it will be 100% the year of the Linux desktop
@MikePerreman 5 күн бұрын
To be fair, accessibility on Wayland is hot garbage right now. Like there are just no on-screen keyboards available if you're not interested in running gnome.
@hy4ri 5 күн бұрын
3:37 and 4:31 same clip.
@aqua-bery 5 күн бұрын
Ripp
@SomeGuyAsWell 5 күн бұрын
Ok, cool not having a stroke.
@softwarelivre2389 5 күн бұрын
Classic KZfaqr duplication. Funny because Flatpak deduplicates files lol
@wearegeek 5 күн бұрын
Dejavu. Are we in the Matrix?
@sleepywitches 5 күн бұрын
I thought I was having a deja vu
@NicosLeben 5 күн бұрын
Oh yes, please. I would really like to see the history of Linux in Germany. I am from Germany and in our company we use Linux everywhere, on each laptop, all Linux servers of course. But all the customers usually use Windows.
@average_snmp_user 5 күн бұрын
We all know that the only real way to install applications on Linux is by compiling them from source
@Rudxain 5 күн бұрын
Gentoo certified. I love slapping a "target-cpu=native" whenever I can, to get the same benefits as Android AOT/oat
@rjawiygvozd 5 күн бұрын
it's slightly terrifying that there are still random youtube videos where people tell you to just sudo make install into /usr
@giusdb 5 күн бұрын
Yes, but it is also a real nightmare, which repeats itself every time. Flatpak is a huge nightmare, but at least, it's a one-time thing.
@MietoK 4 күн бұрын
I’ll go with spack
@Rudxain Күн бұрын
@@rjawiygvozd💀💀☠
@aaskrad 5 күн бұрын
11:40 Yay! Brazil mentioned!
@InfinityN 5 күн бұрын
That may be so, but Flathub really need to up their game when it comes to developer documentation as well as simplifying the process. The amount of work it took for us to distribute an electron application on flathub was ridiculous compared to every other of our many formats.
@Jaymal10 5 күн бұрын
Electron should go away anyway, since they don’t have a standard for the versioning and applications can just use whatever they wish rather than at least being a few versions behind. Case in point is discord.
@InfinityN 5 күн бұрын
delusional take but ok.
@xanderplayz3446 5 күн бұрын
@@Jaymal10And it’s gigantic. I made a GTK hello world webview app in Python and when compiled (using Nuitka) it was half the size as the Electron 31 runtime.
@giusdb 5 күн бұрын
@@InfinityNI apologize, I misread the sequence of comments. I'll change the answer, you're right, but less personal insults and more explanations, even harsh ones, on the real facts.
@Jaymal10 5 күн бұрын
@@InfinityN I mean my point is discord and Wayland. They use such inferior version of electron still that it does not work fully with Wayland and at the end of the day, it’s better to tell people to use the Web version on Linux. If they do any short of video screen sharing.
@KevinVeroneau 5 күн бұрын
I'd love to watch a KZfaq documentary on Linux use in Germany. I wonder how these downloads say compare to the so-called "Desktop use" metrics, where it shows Linux, Windows, and macOS usage.
@creadisc6213 5 күн бұрын
As for the Germany question: It comes down to the mentality and culture. A lot of people here don't want to sell you something. They just like to hack, engineer and tinker. And I would say that FLOSS prioritizes the technical solution before the financial incentives. On the other hand we are just paranoid about privacy since big tech usually comes from the US and thus is hard to control. Then if you visit the Congress of the Chaos Computer Club (Chaos Communication Congress) you will find a lot of anarchist(-leaning) people there that strongly believe in their mission to help each other out by sharing ideas via code. Then there is the EU thats subsidizes Open Source with grants and EU politicians are also open to influence from hacker groups and technical experts. Lastly open source is a very (not exclusively) european thing and germany just happens to be the largest european country, by population.
@xard64 5 күн бұрын
As a long time Linux user I've been mostly relying on the traditional sources for installing applications. Curiously it was the Steam Deck which introduced me to Flatpaks: on immutable distributions like the Steam Deck OS Flatpak is the expected way to install traditional desktop applications after all.
@sergrojGrayFace 5 күн бұрын
I'm actually surprised FireFox is so high given the fact that it always comes bundled with the distro.
@no_name4796 5 күн бұрын
4:28 bruh. Mistake in editing?
@aqua-bery 5 күн бұрын
I noticed that to lol I thought I was tripping 😭
@AshnSilvercorp 5 күн бұрын
big launcher devs: "We can't figure out Linux packaging." Average Linux user: _Look at Flathub, if you need to package something with Wine, do it here and it takes the pain in the _*_***_*_ off of your back._
@samupop8 5 күн бұрын
let's goooo Brazil mention!!!
@rocketguedes 5 күн бұрын
Brazil 🇧🇷 mentioned 🇧🇷
@Fuscao_Preto 5 күн бұрын
11:48 Brasil Mentioned 🐍🐆🌳🌴🇧🇷🏖️
@Kingramze 5 күн бұрын
Not sure if related, but I know Germany has gone through several cycles of requiring government machines to use FOSS / Linux whenever possible, open formats, etc. It's possible this could be government use or simply a cultural thing since Linux and FOSS is so widespread.
@lemmatos 4 күн бұрын
Brazil is bigger than the US (Alaska discounted), and bigger than Western Europe. Better comparison, in terms of population. Australia is mostly a big inhospitable desert. The population is roughly the same as the biggest Brazilian city. And yes, Brazilians are all over the internet. Probably more than most people would expect.
@krelsen7 4 күн бұрын
Flatpak has made it much easier for non-technical people to use Linux. People that use Windows are used to downloading random exe and msi files that then open a wizard they have to go through, so Flatpak may even seem more convenient since they're essentially a one-click install of almost any application a user might want. the only pain point i've encountered is permissions sometimes, i know that can be easily fixed in the terminal or using Flatseal, but that's not as simple to do for non-technical users.
@gljames24 5 күн бұрын
This is a rare moment that someone actually used the term shades correctly 🎉
@FunctionGermany 4 күн бұрын
regarding germany, i think it's due to our extensive hacker history, with the CCC playing a big role too. there's also a strong sense of privacy in the population compared to most neighbours and distrust in both foreign and domestic institutions, companies, and services, e.g. big tech US (microsoft). so we have lots of hackers, selfhosters, linux users, freedom of information activists etc.
@lmnk 5 күн бұрын
Greetings from a Flathub contributor from Russia =)
@julioau 5 күн бұрын
Brazil Mentioned! ❤ 🇧🇷
@arthurcastro9741 Күн бұрын
Nice to see we brazilians in the list, Greetings from Brazil, Florianópolis :)
@MegaManNeo 5 күн бұрын
Here in Germany, Linux is relatively popular. Sure, most people still stick with Windows and gamers are about as stubborn as Devuan hardliners but there's SUSE, Knoppix, the Linux Tage event and of course the Chaos Communication Congress among many other places where Linux use obviously is very high. Keep in mind, Germany has always been into computers even if the rest of the world goes videogame consoles and phones. As for Flatpak, I love to use it since I do no longer need to worry about what distro I install as all of them end up having the same software versions. Here at home I am running openSUSE (speaking of German products, huh?) but my workstation in the company runs Mint Debian and while both have different base packages, the user software I use on a day to day basis is equal unless I mark a package to keep its version. To me this has been one of the biggest Linux adoption issues in the past and Flatpak/Flathub fixed that for the most part.
@titouan_real 4 күн бұрын
Canada: "in fifth place" In the meanwhile: UK and France : "Are we a joke to you?"
@BrodieRobertson 4 күн бұрын
Did I count wrong? lol
@darkenblade986 5 күн бұрын
i think that spike is due to the steam deck. its been a juggernaut for linux gaming and use in general.
@someguy9175 5 күн бұрын
Brazil mentioned
@redcrafterlppa303 5 күн бұрын
About Linux use in Germany.. I don't have concrete information but rather a feeling.. As a German using Linux I think many people are using Linux here because there are many tech interested people here. But since in terms of digitalization Germany is pretty bad and there is little corporate and official support. Thus people interested in tech are more likely to choose Linux and open source since it's in many cases competitive or better than the corporate alternative here.
@Redmage913 5 күн бұрын
It’s changed the way I use the desktop. It’s far easier to use flatpak than it is to compile, and its ability to stay up to date compared to fixed distributions makes me less concerned about using Debian for a solid subsystem and flatpak apps running on top.
@punkrockllama 4 күн бұрын
A funny short would be a Linux parody (or rip on) that guy who has his characters (Tony, Sonny, and Terry) sit around a table and usually talk about food but it's Tony using Flatpak, Sonny using Snap, and Terry using Appimage.
@huljaxful 2 күн бұрын
I used to favor flatpaks over official repos but nowadays because of the size i use flatpaks when i need too. Not always.
@EricMesa 4 күн бұрын
Brought back some memories to see those old versions of Flatpak original site / Flathub
@WyvernDotRed 5 күн бұрын
While I personally prefer the old design of the webstore, I can't deny that the new store is a significant upgrade in functionality and appeal. As I use Discover anyway, I don't mind and the new design and it's great to link to in conversation. I liken Flathub and the development of the Linux Desktop to (early) Android, which is cool to see as it's great for the non tech oriented folk. Perhaps Wayland can be compared to Android 5 and up, X11 to 4.2 and below, though it seems to resemble the early days more for now.
@DemolitionManDemolishes 5 күн бұрын
Ive been saying this for months: rpm/deb/etc is for system components only. For everything else - flatpak.
@jasonm2477 5 күн бұрын
and by everythign else you mean graphical apps? because desktop linux is the tiniest most irrelevant blip on the radar of what linux is used for. I hate what cannonical has done with snap but flatpak is such a small niche its essentially useless to 99.9% of linux applications
@Man-xk9rz 5 күн бұрын
A break from dependency hell was my main reason to use flatpak for GUI applications. Edit: Containerization in general is a good strategy to avoid such.
@LostieTrekieTechie 5 күн бұрын
@@jasonm2477 for applications not being managed by the distro maintainers, it's way more friendly than a .git or .tar.gz link.
@kraio-sfu 5 күн бұрын
@@Man-xk9rzcontainerization will be the death of storage. So long DRY principle, I will have 35 instances of Python installed on the same distro
@guguludugulu 5 күн бұрын
@@jasonm2477if you count things like grep as applications that is. There's plenty of graphical apps that benefit from flatpak and a huge amount of users that benefit from being able to install flatpaks instead of relying on often unsupported versions of software in system package managers or having to bother compiling everything from source and figuring out how to install dependencies that you have to hunt for in the depths of documentation
@toxithot 5 күн бұрын
all those emulators are pulled from flathub with the emudeck script (originally designed) for steam deck, which is probably what puts primehack up that far.
@fooflyz 4 күн бұрын
You got the list of highest downloads wrong. The UK has 93M downloads, slightly less than Russia. So making the 5th, not Canada.
@BrodieRobertson 4 күн бұрын
RIP Canada
@razzeeee 5 күн бұрын
Technical the total downloads are also including runtimes/addons etc.
@BrodieRobertson 5 күн бұрын
I thought I included the distinction but I must have cut that
@stephanhuebner4931 4 күн бұрын
This is just pure speculation, but I think one reason why Germany is so "big" in terms of downloads and/or open source may be because of the Amiga. It was extremely popular in Germany and it also (to my knowledge at least) was the first system where users spread the idea of sharing software completely for free (freeware / public domain). I remember countless disk magazines, actually delivered of Floppy Disks via a package to your door from people who collected that stuff in their free time, possibly the most well known of them the Fish-Disks from Fred Fish, who, as it seems, was a strong proponent of free software. Basically, the ideological jump to something like Linux and open source isn't that big, if you grew up with the Amiga.
@slycordinator 4 күн бұрын
Flathub usage in North Korea is most likely a government worker. Perhaps a develop for their RedStar OS, which uses Linux as its base. One can reason that it's not a regular user there, based on the fact that internet there is highly filtered; many common websites blocked/banned.
@that_leaflet 5 күн бұрын
Would be cool if Flathub showed how many users an app actually has rather than the total number of times it was installed or updated. I recently uploaded an app to the Snap Store and they give aggregate information about the app: the amount of people who have it installed (only counts people who've used their computer within the last week and have updates enabled), distro and versions, cpu architecture, and which channel they use (stable/beta).
@mckendrick7672 5 күн бұрын
This is pretty difficult to figure out without telemetry that would make most Linux users mad.
@Widur42 5 күн бұрын
That would require some degree of telemetry to know if someone is actually using it (even if that info is anonymized). Installs/updates works completely without it because the information is coming for the server providing the package and not the client using it.
@that_leaflet 5 күн бұрын
@@mckendrick7672 I wish Linux users could be more reasonable. It’s funny to me that people are fine running random pieces of code packaged by random people, but as soon as telemetry, however basic, comes up people bring out the pitch forks.
@knghtbrd 5 күн бұрын
@@mckendrick7672 Hence why Canonical does it because they're basically the Microsoft of Linux, and flathub doesn't.
@tablettablete186 5 күн бұрын
@@that_leaflet Tbh, I dislike both things
@xXUnrulyXx 5 күн бұрын
i guess im the odd one out.. i removed flatpak from all of my linux distros and i dont run snap.. i either get my software from the AUR, compile from source, or look for a .deb file if im in my debian install..
@BulletsNBrass 5 күн бұрын
I agree with your thoughts about it becoming more and more common as an official outlet for developers. Even if they need to have several versions to work with different distros. As systems become faster and faster, and security becomes more something individual users think about, Flathub and FlatPaks represent a very good solution. Particularly for more tech oriented users who may run multiple distros on different machines, but want a fairly common set of apps. Having to fiddle around figuring it all out or hoping your software manager has what you want is a lot less handy than knowing what you need is available in a Flatpak and getting on with life.
@michaelsanchez1361 4 күн бұрын
One glaring problem of Flatpak: Consumes huge disk space
@ColtWillcox 8 сағат бұрын
And memory, and startup time.
@deusexaethera 4 күн бұрын
I have the perverse urge to make a Flatpak of snapd so other distros can use it. 😈
@thedeemon 5 күн бұрын
We use Skype to talk to our parents every week. As for Chrome, GeForce Now requires it and doesn't want to play in other browsers on Linux.
@DryPaperHammerBro 4 күн бұрын
No user agent hackery to fix it?
@lussor1 4 күн бұрын
Not even brave or vivaldi?
@thedeemon 4 күн бұрын
@@lussor1 Didn't work in Brave for me. Haven't tried Vivaldi, and haven't tried to fool it.
@aeghohloechu5022 5 күн бұрын
the only app i use flatpak for is obs studio the tyman package is broken because the cef is apparently straight up not there
@NFvidoJagg2 5 күн бұрын
Most of my issues with flatpak have todo with sandbox permissions and having to manually modify them. or the sandbox just out right not providing permissions for application functionality. E.g. Discord not being able to detect running games. (think this uses IPC) which I use to let my friends know when i'm playing minecraft. Edit: theres also the issue of having to repeatedly log out and in of gnome to get flakpak to not run in background, after a fresh reboot
@UncleUncleRj 5 күн бұрын
I use Pop OS, and in my experience, Flatpaks have often been out of date compared to a .deb package available in the PopShop.
@namoroke 4 күн бұрын
The thing in Germany is that they promote the use of Linux from the gobernment and public institutions themselves, and some locations had even ditched windows all along.
@hermespymander9167 5 күн бұрын
BRAZIL MENTIONED
@lufsss_ 4 күн бұрын
Brazil mentioned!
@al1234 4 күн бұрын
Love to see it Per Capita instead of total number
@Nico-mi2pr 5 күн бұрын
Damn someone messed up real bad Brodie’s hair
@Krmpfpks 5 күн бұрын
Can I ship my app on Linux and then not get complaints that their system uses a decades old glibc and won’t start it? I ship as AppImage and I need to have an ancient Linux system to build it to make sure it runs on most of the customer systems.
@giusdb 5 күн бұрын
Theoretically yes, practically it depends. For example, you create a flatpak for kde and qt 6, and try to install it on kde and qt 3. Maybe you can install it, less likely you can start it, unlikely it will work. An opposite case (although not real), flatpak for kde and qt 3 installed on kde and qt 6. It will work (maybe not perfectly) because kde still supports programs for kde and qt 3.
@Krmpfpks 5 күн бұрын
@@giusdbThank you for your answer. The big issues I am having is the glibc. Somehow the glibc is special and there is only one lib allowed in memory, I dont know why and I dont know any way around it but building against the oldest possible glibc. I have to maintain a very old system to build for maximum compatibility. There is a redhat that is still supported with glibc 2.17, also I received complaints from tuxedo, centos and ubuntu LTS users. They too have very very old glibc versions. I doubt flatpak can solve this. Sorry for my rant. I love linux and I run it on many servers and desktops for decades now, but of my paying customers it’s only a small percentage and compatibility issues like the glibc make it very hard to financially justify supporting it. Flatpak/AppImage solve 99% of the dependency issues but not glibc and probably also not the one you pointed out (qt/kde), though I think those you could theoretically ship in the flatpak.
@dacresni 5 күн бұрын
the first spike is around when gnome started going flatpack first i think. you might chart fedora releases on the graph but it's too narrow to see with the eyes.
@kienanvella 5 күн бұрын
Of the 6 flatpaks I've tried, only Xemu, Signal, and Teams worked. FreeCAD crashes my whole X session, and the two ebook readers I've tried either crashed immediately or had all black windows on start.
@no_name4796 5 күн бұрын
I use flatpak only if distro repo doesn't have the package, and the flatpak version is the official one Otherwise i jist download the tar file or the appimage
@weiSane 5 күн бұрын
Eww
@no_name4796 5 күн бұрын
@weiSane no, i use waybar
@Qyngali 5 күн бұрын
I'm surprised Brave is now official since all chromium browsers have to use a hack maintained by a single developer to disable the Chromium sandbox, that was the reason none of them were official before. Maybe Flathub has changed their stance on devs being able /or allowed) to disable the Flatpak sandbox? I need to look this up now. :) I know there was a lot of discussion between the different browsers (Vivaldi, Brave +++) about this maybe 1 year ago... being dependent on a kludge solution made by a single guy seems like a kinda bad idea.
@tablettablete186 5 күн бұрын
I did some investigation and Brave simply ships without namespace sandbox on flatpak 🤡 Yeah
@requestnearby 4 күн бұрын
In my experience so far, some flatpaks work and some don't. It feels like there is still a lot of polishing to do, especially in cases where the program has to access stuff outside the flatpak sandbox.
@Its-Just-Zip 5 күн бұрын
10:23 The Steam Deck probably does account for quite a bit of the increase in flathub use, because almost all of the non-steam packages on that operating system are done with flatpaks, including stuff that is shipped with the device. Also, around the same time, there was a lot of push on immutable distributions and on NixOS, both which can make heavy use of Flatpak packages.
@keyboard_g 5 күн бұрын
Some of those download spikes are likely when Fedora switched to Flatpak out of the box. Every release after that point would trigger lots of downloads.
@temari2860 5 күн бұрын
I think XD Jee App is a great name, why don't you like it Brodie?
@pixl_xip 4 күн бұрын
Brazil mentioned! im from canada
@Lunix_Hardcore 4 күн бұрын
The German Flatpak numbers might be so high because most schools and universities here use Linux (usually Ubuntu) for their computers. Lately, even the The administrations of some federal states are switching to Linux for their office machines.
@kamoridesu Күн бұрын
As a noob I didn’t like Flatpaks because I didn’t know how to fix some permission issues with Steam and Firefox. To this day I still avoid them, but now I’m aware Flatseal is a thing. Also, Brazil mentioned! :D
@timeobserver8220 4 күн бұрын
Can u do a vid on mastodon? I still don't get it
@123Daktary 4 күн бұрын
All major cloud providers have a regional datacenter in Germany. If your client's company is from Europe then the closest / fastest cluster may just be one from Germany. With all being said, I know the state companies there use / used various open source distros, but every private company that I worked for from Germany, forbode me to use Linux on my machine, even though their servers were mostly Linux based.
@liorean 4 күн бұрын
That map needs to have a toggle to show downloads-per-capita instead of absolute numbers. It would be more indicative of actual usage proportions.
@noname-gp6hk 5 күн бұрын
I like flatpacks. I got a steamdeck and it just works. Use the steamdeck as a laptop while travelling with a wireless keyboard, and I like how I didn't have to think about or learn about or study flatpacks. Just downladed, installed, worked.
@fontende 4 күн бұрын
Ai image upscaling apps available only on Flathub, like Upscaler & Upscayl
@Петар1 4 күн бұрын
What's wrong with the debs?
@TehCredibleHulk 4 күн бұрын
I feel like Google Chrome is at the top because lots of people use Linux for their workstations/notebooks for their job, many of which are organizations that are g-suite integrated so they need to be able to login often via SSO which is just easier through the baked-in support on G-Chrome. As far as im aware, the Chromium browser wont let you sign in and sync your account like G-Chrome does. Thats the case for me atleast.
@NicosLeben 5 күн бұрын
I have always these annoying issues with Totem from Flathub that has my Nvidia drivers as dependencies and does not work anymore if the systems Nvidia drivers got an update. And the it does not clean up the old packages after an update.
@razzeeee 5 күн бұрын
That should be fixed now afaik, but I don't know if that has been released yet (not on nvidia anymore)
@NicosLeben 4 күн бұрын
@@razzeeee Thanks. I will have a look again then.
@catharsis7629 4 күн бұрын
there's 4 million installs from discord and they STILL do not resolve screen sharing problems on linux??!
@MinaSchloch 5 күн бұрын
Cries in Skanlite (in contrast to Skanpage which is on Flathub, meanwhile it is huge in size)
@mnoxman 5 күн бұрын
I installed flatpack on my Fedora system. A few apps were good but the rest were like those CD's in the late 90s that said 1000 games and most of them were buggy old and bad knock off versions of clone of a good game. Rather than "Duck Hunt" there is "Mallard search"
@WyvernDotRed 5 күн бұрын
To me those old knock-off games are part of the appeal though. For 'proper' games I'll use Steam, maybe GOG or Itch if unavailable on Steam. But these quirky clone games have a Flash games kind of low-barrier appeal. Making Linux as a whole quite a wonderful system for children to get their bearings on, like how Android worked for me. Assuming reasonable parental checking of course, though the store is pretty clean.
@Mikael77757 3 күн бұрын
Immutable distros started becoming bigger in 2022/23, right? That could explain some of the faster growth recently.
@supremesonicbrazil 2 күн бұрын
Honestly I'm only forced to use Firefox as a Flatpak because I'm on Debian Stable and I need the regular release, ESR has a couple issues with the things I work with (which honestly isn't even ESR's fault but rather the whole web industry's). If I had the choice I would still use my distro's repos, or so be it, I'm going to embrace a source-based distro like Gentoo, it's probly a point of no return for me already
@kaz49 3 күн бұрын
The one nitpick I have with flatpaks is that they are usually MASSIVE compared to distro packages because of the bundled libraries thing
@viltur83 4 күн бұрын
Steam deck lunch was Feb 2022 and it took months, I assume when someone as known/liked by the community starts to ofisaly support the standard others follow
@lucio_a 4 күн бұрын
Brodie vem pro proximo carnaval, compensa muito.
@themisterchristie 3 күн бұрын
I've been using Flatpaks since some time last year, but it has increased since I switched to Bazzite.
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