Why are Pilots afraid of ATC? Flying IFR with a Controller to find out! - Mooney M20J - VLOG
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7 жыл бұрынJoin us as we face ATC scenarios that can stress out some pilots!
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I am a "weekend warrior" private pilot, I fly for fun with no intentions of going commercial. I have had my PPL for over 15 years, but still consider each flight a learning experience - I generally take detailed notes after each flight to remind myself what went well or what I could do to improve.... Having the GoPro cameras to record flights like this is invaluable. I find these self analysis videos very helpful in my constant quest to improve, and am happy to share. Feedback is invited; however, please keep it positive.
@kefka19111 7 жыл бұрын
Here is a rhyme to help, 75 - My passenger wants to drive 76 - The radio needs a fix 77 - We're all going to heaven
@octaviovaladaoferreirinhad2689 7 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Rooks I am going to share this with everybody I know!
@DNHarris 7 жыл бұрын
Don't forget: 70 - We're in Europe, oh no! (or We're in Europe, doh!)
@chudy183 7 жыл бұрын
75 - man with knife ;)
@IrLosin 7 жыл бұрын
69 - I went down like a swine.
@colinknab3850 7 жыл бұрын
75- Bin ladins inside
@Borel-nv5bq 7 жыл бұрын
speaking for myself, it's the fear of sounding like an idiot over the radio
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Haha - agreed :) You get better over time, and when you're current. I've had a few brain fart moments when I was lacking in "ATC recency"
@Borel-nv5bq 7 жыл бұрын
FlightChops as a student with a little more than 10 hours I've had a few brain fart moments haha. Great vid btw
@averagejoepilot6201 7 жыл бұрын
Borel 2016 agreed.... most definitely
@Ohdub1 7 жыл бұрын
The only way to learn is by doing it. Just remember, if you make a mistake, you're not the first person to ever make it and you won't be the last.
@WhiteLinesBlueSkies 7 жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to have a towered field as my training field. I feel much more comfortable talking with ATC and coming into a towered field than working near uncontrolled fields.
@user-ss6zt2mo1l 6 жыл бұрын
When I was flying DC9's, the NY Center told us to turn 30 degrees left for "Noise Abatement". We were at FL280. Usually Controllers tell you to turn for "Noise Abatement" down low like 2000 feet above the ground over some noise sensitive area for people on the ground. I remember looking at the Captain with a funny look, like "We are at Flight Level 280 (28,000 feet)... Then the Controller said I turned you left 30 degrees for traffic at your altitude. Yes... See Controllers DO have a sense of humor. If we had not turned there would have been a big noise of 2 aircraft colliding at FL280. LOL.
@davidf2244 4 жыл бұрын
That's very funny xD
@paulstimpson830 Жыл бұрын
...followed by a very loud noise on the ground shortly after
@fermiticus4034 5 жыл бұрын
7500 = "cheat code" for military escort!
@Ron.Swanson. 5 жыл бұрын
75 guns and knives
@thisisyourboss 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@ChaplainDaveSparks 4 жыл бұрын
I remember a video where ATC suspected a hijacking, so they actually *INSTRUCTED* the pilot "Squawk 7-5-0-0", figuring they'd comply if under duress, otherwise question it.
@steveo1kinevo 7 жыл бұрын
Great Vid! Here is how I remember the squawk codes. "75 taken alive, 76 technical glitch, 77 going to heaven." When you say it you will hear how it rhymes.
@peterellison2220 7 жыл бұрын
steveo1kinevo Excellent! Have you ever had to squawk one of those codes?
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! it was driving me crazy trying to remember that rhyme - I'd heard it years ago and it didn't stick :)
@davidaranguren108 7 жыл бұрын
steveo1kinevo See you in every video
@Behemoth29 7 жыл бұрын
I was always taught: 75 - men with knives, 76 - radio fix, 77 - going to heaven. But whatever works
@austinbflying8001 7 жыл бұрын
Do you have a good one for 7777?
@HalfStarFilms 7 жыл бұрын
The hardest part of flying is talking to the controller. They seem like good people, I just suck at speaking with them and jotting down what they say.
@joerag6077 5 жыл бұрын
We kinda pride ourselves on spitting out lotsa info in one transmission. Its a useful skill when it gets busy but i understand that it can get a bit over the top. I'm often impressed by readbacks of things I have said but i just figure pilots are good at that stuff. I wouldent blame em for a "say again" though.
@turkosaurus165 5 жыл бұрын
@@joerag6077 The fear makes us write quickly.
@CautionRiah 5 жыл бұрын
Half Star Films They say everything so fast!!!
@Thaillus 4 жыл бұрын
@@joerag6077 ⁶⁶yhi yuh iou up iui
@David-xl8zf 4 жыл бұрын
@@joerag6077 I have no problem asking, I also have no problem giving you the same shit back. It´s more than once happened to me that I had to repeat a readback, because I was too fast for ATC. ;) Keeping it short doesn´t mean read it as fast as you can.
@humptydumpty3345 Жыл бұрын
As a student pilot, i can say what has helped me with nerves and talking to atc is just reminding myself that pilots and atc are on the same team in order to keep everyone safe and to keep flying fun and organized.
@synterlu 4 жыл бұрын
*învites ATC into plane* *forgets to update charts*
@BaronPilot 7 жыл бұрын
The look on your face when he called the controller by his name to cancel IFR was priceless. I wonder if he even realized he did that?
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Haha - I know, right?
@volo455 7 жыл бұрын
10:41 haha
@ml3487 6 жыл бұрын
John Gault Are you okay sweetheart? Did you have a bad day?
@michaelnorth2055 5 жыл бұрын
John Gault bow down to the atc rulers boii
@chrismast2790 4 жыл бұрын
As a non pilot.. I wish I knew what you meant by this. Well over my head...
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
It's great to see how much engagement this one is getting! Please share any questions you'd like to see addressed when we do the next one with Stephen; we're hoping to do a second chapter - another IFR flight, planning to land at YYZ, and hopefully filming the interviews at the actual terminal facility in Toronto.
@DNHarris 7 жыл бұрын
Where did the chops go?! Been a bit since I last saw a video.
@Tony-gz6bi 7 жыл бұрын
FlightChops this video was great! I would love to be apart of a team that makes educational videos like this! Loved the graphics from cloudahoy and all the useful information in this.
@DrewLSsix 7 жыл бұрын
Daniel Harris i believe he whacked them off this past no-shave-november.
@billbobaggins5309 6 жыл бұрын
hey, guys looking for a pilot to assist with some smuggling south of the border for a gold mining operation - does anyone know anyone interested ??
@mjphillips76 5 жыл бұрын
@@billbobaggins5309 hahahaha
@Aviation101 7 жыл бұрын
VERY informative. Lots of pilots need to watch this. I feel really fortunate that I learned to fly out of a Class C airport. Because of that, ATC has always been "normal" to me, and uncontrolled ops scared me early on. I took my Dad to Fort Worth Center to get a tour and talk to controllers, and I think it really eased his apprehension. Good video Steve.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Josh!
@pattmahiney 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there was a lot of little stuff packed in here that I wasn't expecting. Good stuff.
@ninerocks 7 жыл бұрын
Always wanted to learn to fly but I must admit all the ATC interaction is very intimidating!
@WIRRUZZZ 7 жыл бұрын
Do it anyways! I've been flying gliders for half my life now and talked to ATC exactly once. And even if you go a different route and talk to them more often, a lot of other people learned to do so before you ;) Flying is absolutely worth it and you're missing out!
@user-ss6zt2mo1l 6 жыл бұрын
It IS intimidating at first. Once you understand the airspace and what is required in each area of airspace and spend your life talking with Controllers it becomes easier. I spent 15,000 flight hours flying Turboprops and Jets, and after a while you get use to it, because you know WHAT to expect.
@user-ss6zt2mo1l 5 жыл бұрын
WIRRUZZZ this is GREAT advice.
@user-ss6zt2mo1l 5 жыл бұрын
It’s probably the name “Controller” that scares people. I mean, who wants a “Controller” in their life 😉 But seriously, Controllers are there to serve as a lookout for all the traffic occupying the space. They keep traffic separated and keep safe distances between aircraft and other ground vehicles. They are there to protect the airspace. As a pilot you participate in that quest by letting them help you. As a professional pilot you respect them for doing a difficult job and they treat you with respect also. But, everybody makes mistakes, it’s human nature. Knowing what you need and what to expect from the controller in different airspaces takes the fear out of your interaction with them. Once in a while tempers flare like with Newark ground controllers or Clearance delivery people. You can hear some pretty funny stuff in stressful busy times in crappy weather lol, I have heard some interesting exchanges from the ground controllers in LaGuardia. There is plenty of pressure in LaGuardia. It’s an airport built on a dock on top of a garbage dump. I’d be pissed if I had to work there too 😆
@LennyCooley117 5 жыл бұрын
ATC here with only a few years of experience under my belt before doing it ATC is scared of talking to pilots for mostly the same reason.
@chainsaw737m 7 жыл бұрын
I have 2800 hours and due to my new job at an airline, I'm a "student pilot" on the radio again being based out of Chicago O'hare. The biggest factor I am adjusting to is capturing a long, fast taxi clearance, referencing it on the map and reading it back. I have 6 trips from there now and it is getting easier as I learn what to expect.
@Cryptonat 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not even a pilot and I enjoyed this.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
awesome! :)
@abnermills3453 5 жыл бұрын
Same
@FlightChops 4 жыл бұрын
I am happy to hear that non pilots watch and enjoy the content, but this channel does target the aviation demographic, and that is in fact where most of the views do come from.
@hopeistheanthem24 7 жыл бұрын
I used to be petrified to go into a class delta.. now I love it... they even tell you what runway to land..winds.. and there is an ATIS! Much better than approaching an uncontrolled airport.
@av8rdav 5 жыл бұрын
I love talking to ATC. I've never been denied a request. Whether it's Class B clearance or Class C or D communication establishment, flight following, I have a blast talking with them.
@avinaashmohanlal-lythgoe4508 7 жыл бұрын
My instructor just put me straight into the deep end and had me do all the radio stuff from the start
@livewellwitheds6885 3 жыл бұрын
it helps the most!
@gabrielvazquez1691 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing a video like this. Talking to ATC was one of my biggest obstacles I had when I initiated my pilot training. Very rare to see a video with this kind of insight. I wish I had seen this video back in those days. That also goes to all of your videos. Really appreciate the dedication you put into your craft, it's inspiring and I think I can say that along with the rest of the aviation community.
@MikeKobb 7 жыл бұрын
Boy, please feel free to do as many videos with Stephen as you want to. Really excellent, And very clear explanations.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
+Mike Kobb - Roger that - more stuff with Stephen is planned :)
@MikeKobb 7 жыл бұрын
***** w00t!
@Steenos 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a controller in the US at a Class Charlie Tower/Approach. Also a pilot getting close to my instrument rating. I don't have as much experience as Stephen does but everything he said I agree with. When i call up on the pilots side I say "Approach Cessna 951JA with a VFR Request" Then I wait patiently. I Wish more controllers were pilots and also wish more pilots would take the time to get with an organization like EAA or AOPA and try to set up a tour to visit the controllers and understand each other better. We are not out to get you. We are here to help. Great stuff sir!
@schnitzelmopi 7 жыл бұрын
100% agree. I was a USAF Class D tower controller, but am in pilot training now. I had my instrument rating prior to leave the ATC world. Having a view of both sides of the spectrum was super beneficial. We held an annual event called "Scare a controller" around Halloween where a lot of the GA pilots around the area would take up a few controllers and show them around the airspace from the air. It would amazingly beneficial and one of the coolest things I've experience while working in aviation. It was also an open forum and a direct dialogue between pilot and controller. We also let the pilots come and check out our RAPCON (tracon) and see what the radar rats were dealing with. As a controller I saw a lot of GA dudes skirts the delta across the approach corridor right at GS intercept altitude. It pays to be familiar with the airspace and airfields in the area you frequent.
@gbigsangle3044 6 жыл бұрын
I have heard and done it both ways. CFIs and other pilots I fly with insist on a first call that includes direction of flight, altitude (at and climbing to), distance to field and intent. Near my home Class Charlie field the TRACON guys want just aircraft make (Cirrus, Cessna) and tail number on the first call, wait, then respond. Near Vegas, for example Nellis Approach (coming from the North) wants the full call with heading, altitude, and intent. I tend to make the calls as short as possible if the frequency is busy (as a guide) if not, then give more info on each call as needed.
@lants8096 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing but respect for you my friend thanks for the work you do
@marcinsudo1100 7 жыл бұрын
Good little trick for the transponder codes: 75- taken alive (hijack 7500), 76- technical glitch (comms 7600), 77- going to heaven (emergency 7700)
@MarkFetters 7 жыл бұрын
Or Hi Jack, I cant talk right now, I have an emergency.
@schnitzelmopi 7 жыл бұрын
I remembered it by High 5!
@roblowery9076 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a ex pilot and Airport fire fighter, this makes me miss it so much
@michaelcorey9910 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this channel. I start flight school next august. I'll be going all the way from private to commercial and CFI. Watching these videos and doing research on all of the nomenclature, techniques, and other discussions are really helping me get a bit of a head start on my schooling.
@enotdetcelfer 4 жыл бұрын
The info about the *mentality* of communicating, and then getting to watch it in actual correspondence was so helpful. Plus the audio was so clear. This was great
@walltransport 7 жыл бұрын
Great video! I was taught from early on to contact ATC. I'm so glad to have that extra set of eyes to keep me safe, especially when flying along the shoreline through the downtown corridor. Keep up the great videos!
@sailhavasu 7 жыл бұрын
Love it, Love it, Love it! Thanks for another real world realistic video. Working on my IFR and got a TON out of this one!
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Right on! We're happy to share!
@justinsimpson2335 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a controller and VFR pilot. Helps so much to know both sides of the mic! Great video!
@durrellhorst22 7 жыл бұрын
Just used flight following for the first time a couple weeks ago through Toronto airspace. My first long cross country since becoming a private pilot last year . Thanks to all the controllers that treated me like a pro . Thanks for the great video Steve!
@craig6603 7 жыл бұрын
75 "Taken Alive" 76 "Radio needs fixed" 77 "Going to heaven"
@BaronPilot 7 жыл бұрын
That's awesome!! Never heard that before!
@JAKjordanfilms 7 жыл бұрын
I always heard "76 can't talk to these d**ks"
@burnhard. 5 жыл бұрын
76 Falling like bricks :D Is 76 only for communicational limitations, or is there any other malfunction that would render 7600 the correct squawk, while not being qualified for a 7700 code?
@thetomgamerboi6817 5 жыл бұрын
75, man with a knife
@thetomgamerboi6817 5 жыл бұрын
77 FALLING from heaven
@torquaymouse2236 7 жыл бұрын
interesting to hear about flying from a controlers point of view.
@ianneub 7 жыл бұрын
I've found listening to videos on youtube as well as recording my own ATC interactions really helps me do better. Thanks for the great videos FlightChops!
@aaronlippincott7385 3 жыл бұрын
love a cameraman who can't focus on the subject, the instrument panel, but focuses on the back of the pilots's heads
@jameshunter1016 7 жыл бұрын
I love these kinds of videos! Happy Thanksgiving, I'm sure thankful for your videos
@pbbrown1963 7 жыл бұрын
Good refresher with a controller. Thanks, Steve. Another good video!
@liamworrow5303 7 жыл бұрын
I like how calm and collected the p.i.c is when talking to atm and this really and this really shows good airmanship.
@alanhughes9075 7 жыл бұрын
Great episode. As an aspiring pilot its great to watch videos like these to help with situations I've never thought of the any traffic scenario before so thats a good tip for me
@THENATIGAMERTRAVELS 7 жыл бұрын
I was engaged in this video to the very end and always intrigued by the flight process. Loved the dual prospective of a pilot / controller. Would love to see more insights from him. Thanks for the content and great work!
@paulm5197 7 жыл бұрын
My instrument instructor loved to throw curves at me, like covering certain instruments at critical times or playing with the flaps control during landings. I loved him for it; he made me a better and more confident pilot. Anybody can learn procedures under perfect conditions, but learning to adapt to imperfect conditions teaches volumes. Thank you, Doug Niester!
@TheMYmindproductions 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent perspective, I remember having a conversation with a veteran radar operator, totally changed the way I communicated with ATC.
@asokoniso 7 жыл бұрын
Boy was that a lot of insight for one whole video... I can't thank enough for clearing countless issues for so many of us out there trying to figure out how to approach the controllers with the right messages at the right tones.
@MrLikeke 7 жыл бұрын
As a FAA examiner once passed on to me: 'Never let anyone at any time do anything to jeopardize the safety of your flight.' That anyone could be your passengers or it could be ATC. Or it could even be you if you were to think about it. Just last night I was reading about a pilot who took 3 pax with him to the final by and by. Same old song but with a new twist, he missed the control lock in place because it was installed backward in his C-172 and it was obscured by the yoke mounted Ipad. Obviously that wasn't causative but it was a significant contributive factor. Y'all be safe out there. We haven't left one up there yet.
@ImBradCrites 7 жыл бұрын
As a person just starting out, it's interesting to hear how an ATC as a pilot handles situations.
@acekng1 7 жыл бұрын
Starting my PPL in a month and am loving these videos. Thanks!
@Aerosnapper 7 жыл бұрын
Another great video from FlightChops. So good to see something in Canadian airspace. Big thank you to Stephen the controller, who gave of his time, knowledge and AvGas.
@ikem.vanmeter1254 7 жыл бұрын
The big thing, in my way of thinking, is that many pilots feel intimidated by the rapid fire pace of the controller's, as well as professional pilot's, radio exchanges. Additionally, GA aircraft are much more noisy than most aircraft flown by professional aircrews, so the pressure to get it right... THE FIRST TIME... is high. My best investment was in a Bose noice cancelling headset which, even in our noisy club C-172, greatly enhances my ability to hear clearly. Another equally important thing that GA pilots can do is make sure that they are familiar with correct radio procedure and nomenclature. Usually the shortest, clearest explanation of who, where and what works the best and there is specific phraseology for almost every situation that can be learned ahead of time.
@goatflieg 7 жыл бұрын
The flip-flop on Stephen Newman's titles was a nice editing touch... made me laugh. On a completely different note, watching this and any/all other IFR training videos make me feel like I'm SO-not-really a pilot. Someday...
@bziiuuum 7 жыл бұрын
Well, as an ATC and a pilot myself I find your thoughts and comments really making the point. Controllers do not bite, they are there to help you. But it should be stressed out, that the more knowledge pilot has and more is he prepared for a particular flight, the more he can benefit from cooperation with ATC.
@xstell132 7 жыл бұрын
As a future student pilot this video is actually very comforting. The thing i am most worried about when I start training is radio communication. It's nice to see that people in ATC and others realize that it's a lot of peoples worry too.
@AidansAviationAdventures 7 жыл бұрын
I learned to fly at EIKN in Ireland , not a busy airport and then I trained under the JFK Bravo at KFRG . the way I got up to speed on the comms part was to listen to liveATC every chance I got . Now I,ve no problem working in the system and sometimes I,ll even try to sound like the Airline guys .!!!!. I think every student should have liveATC in their bookmarks ... Great video .. kepp up the good work .
@stephenwholden 7 жыл бұрын
Aidan Beirne dd rose d
@AidansAviationAdventures 7 жыл бұрын
dd rose d ????
@FunPlacesToFly 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Very helpful.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
+FunPlacesToFly.com - thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
@KPFlyer96 7 жыл бұрын
I learned about your videos on the Finer Points podcast. My wife and spent our rainy Sunday morning watching a few. This one with the ATC Controller flying was excellent! You have a real gift to make entertaining and informative contributions to our community. Thanks so much.
@flyifri 7 жыл бұрын
In only 100 years. What an amazing feat of human ingenuity, to have such a system of separation in place. Got a love IFR. A special thanks to all the engineers who make flying possible.
@AV8R_1 7 жыл бұрын
I like that you included some info about using ATC when doing "airwork" ... I often fly sightseeing flights, either for myself or family, which means meandering around the sky aimlessly with lots of turns and altitude changes.. I have had controllers drop me from flight following because I wasn't flying a predictable route. They were clearly annoyed.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Did you let the controllers know your intentions before you started meandering? because then what yo were doing would not have been un predictable. Anyway, regardless, yes, VFR flight following is "work load permitting" so maybe thy just couldn't continue to fit you in.
@gbigsangle3044 6 жыл бұрын
If flying VFR you should tell the controllers (on the ground before takeoff) or in the air on first contact what you are going to do (air work near location x, sightseeing over area x, short flight to destination and return) if you are not going cross country. That way they can plan to cut you loose or hang on to you dependent on traffic. Sometimes they will hang on to you even if you are just 'fooling around' so they know you are monitoring and they can give you traffic separation warnings and cite you as a traffic problem for others.
@ifly7777 7 жыл бұрын
LOL. I am already stressed with Vatsim ATC
@fryphillipj560 7 жыл бұрын
Ifly 777 what is atc?
@realulli 7 жыл бұрын
ATC == Air Traffic Control
@PilotPlater 7 жыл бұрын
to be fair, vatsim controllers can be dicks. Not all of them of course, one of their controllers in Toronto over a decade ago showed me how to fly a circuit and some atc lingo that newbie-me didn't know, but then when I came back to vatsim as a licenced pilot I got treated like an idiot.
@danmack3173 7 жыл бұрын
Ifly 777 same
@realulli 7 жыл бұрын
I know at least one licensed pilot who is on Vatsim, but on the side of the controllers. So, those explanations might have come from a RL CFI...
@adamnewton5075 4 жыл бұрын
Just wow! I have never flown a day in my life but this clip hit home hard. Im astounded of the disconnect between GA and commercial education of safety principles. What you guys are doing is amazing. Wish you all the best.
@noahmeyerowitz 7 жыл бұрын
Beautifully done, informative, and greatly appreciated. A big fan of all you're doing for our wonderful GA community!
@jrdeckard3317 5 жыл бұрын
Whenever I have a problem with a controller, I start speaking broken Russian. Slows them down, and they fear making a mistake.
@michaeljohnson2922 3 жыл бұрын
Lol. Awesome!
@joelbuhr2087 7 жыл бұрын
ATC/Pilot provides a very unique angle.
@timtim7505 7 жыл бұрын
Haven't even finished watching the 1st minute and I'm hooked, what a great idea for a video
@durwoodhibbard9312 7 жыл бұрын
In the process of learning and have been watching many videos and also flying on a sim it still feels overwhelming but it is getting easier with practice. It is good to know they are there to help not get upset at us.
@richardlevy8699 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome job on this. I think more emphasis in flight school and currency updates should be put on communication. After all, communicate is part of our cycle of activities between engine start and shutdown. Radio checks must be taken more seriously than a curt five by five on passing by the mic. Turning on and making sure the coms work properly in places like Burlington is as important as making sure the wings are still glued on to the fuselage in the pre flight. Going to rent a plane which has questionable coms can make a pilot wish he'd stayed home all year! If coms are questionable and we are already up in the air we must stay ... Clear of heavy traffic routes.
@richardlevy8699 7 жыл бұрын
No, I don't know what is 5x5. Must have been flying with me head up my kiester all these years.
@erictaylor5462 7 жыл бұрын
My dad was IFR qualified for as long as I can remember. I've never heard of him being afraid of ATC. I've heard stories about other pilots being forgotten, like a guy over Stockton, Ca at 4000' in the clouds beaning told to fly east, then left on that heading long enough for him to worry about the mountains, but I've never heard of them being scared of ATC. Nice Moony by the way.
@MrJdsenior 7 жыл бұрын
Man, this kinda stuff would have been SO NICE to have back when I was learning. Nice that you take the time to provide it now.
@trystanclark1001 7 жыл бұрын
Us pilot's should always remember that "Controllers (ATC) are always here to help ask questions they will give you there best answer"
@sighahnyde2215 7 жыл бұрын
its a service, its our job to ensure a pilots safety but we wont know you need help if you don't ask. Don't worry about asking too much we don't judge - or if we do, you won't know about it ;)
@rokape77 7 жыл бұрын
Your job is to assist (on the odd occasion) a pilot maintain aircraft safety and to be a traffic cop in busy airspace. You can judge pilots all you like, hope they won't judge when you make your mistakes...
@mayjet1 7 жыл бұрын
Let's see more of that Mooney!
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
+Matthew May - planning on it. :)
@ichhasseamerika 4 жыл бұрын
Newbie here, just starting out w flying, but I learned so much, I think I learned so many lessons that could come into play much later. plus its just facinating. :) thank you so much guys .
@nukietheatomiczombie93 7 жыл бұрын
Truly stepping up the content quality!!! The work that your team is putting in is definitely coming in loud and clear on this end! Flight Chops, thank you for stoking a fire under me to join the aviation community. Keep it up!
@KuraIthys 7 жыл бұрын
haha. Here I am getting training in an aircraft where 100-110 knots is the top speed, and a typical landing final approach speed is 48 knots... Then again we do train7ng at a non-towered field and aren't allowed in controlled airspace anyway. But I honestly wouldn't know what to think being told 'keep your speed up'. XD
@bjdreyfuss9811 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Kuralthys,Decades ago I, too, learned to fly at a uncontrolled (non-towered) field. One of my flight instructor's admonition has stuck with me:At an uncontrolled field, which is the active runway?At an uncontrolled field, all the runways are active!!!!!
@mpladd 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Perhaps you aren't in the US for your training, but FAA requires landings at a towered airport for you to get your private. In the US you MUST go into controlled airspace.
@ZicajosProductions 7 жыл бұрын
WHY WAS I NOT SUBSCRIBED to this channel? I subbed.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
+Joe N. - right on thanks! New video every 2nd Friday, and Enjoy the back catalog of ~100 videos now!
@ZicajosProductions 7 жыл бұрын
***** Thank you!
@alexxd_1252 7 жыл бұрын
Great Work! One of the best Videos i have seen on this Channel (y) PLEASE MORE
@ww_scott7635 7 жыл бұрын
I know that I have trouble talking with controllers, this video really showed the justice behind learning how to speak clearly and crisply and to also not be afraid of these guys.
@battmann678 7 жыл бұрын
Nice one! There's no such thing as too much "face to face" communications between controllers and pilots.
@joerag6077 5 жыл бұрын
Seriously! It seems like the two never want to interact too much. Just something like saying "unable" because your not comfortable is such great advice. Controllers are only familiar with flying characteristics and pilot work loads for the A/C they work in most cases. There's no way they can be experts in every type of plane they'll encounter. It's on the pilot to tell a controller if something can't be done safely due to wieght, conditions, or even skill. That's the kinda thing every controller would be happy to stress to pilots. Tell me unable! Don't risk it for a biscuit.
@traingaming3240 4 жыл бұрын
For me if somebody (like atc) talks to fast I will forget some of it and ask atc to say it slower and I kinda feel bad they have to repeat themselves.
@FlightChops 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah - I feel the same.
@marshallthomas4648 7 жыл бұрын
This was awesome. I really appreciate the educational aspect to this, especially as a private pilot.
@lants8096 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing but respect for air traffic controllers. They’ve helped me out before(as a young mechanic taxiing airlines from the gate to a hard stand and then eventually as a new pilot) it’s true they are not here to screw you. Their biggest thing they want us to understand is if your not sure just ask, don’t just “do”. They can and will coach you every step of the of the way.
@tonyfdesign 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jack! --- sorry, can't talk --- I'm having an emergency.
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
Haha - awesome! - between that one and Steveo's Rhyme, I think I'm finally good to go with remembering those codes :)
@stephensmith1034 5 жыл бұрын
Lol! Good one!
@GreyMaulkin 7 жыл бұрын
what does "sterile cockpit" mean? you mentioned it in regards to the final approach. Also, what version of ipads are you guys using?
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
+GreyMaulkin sterile cockpit means minimal talking and only discussing things that are directly related to the task at hand. I use an iPad mini4, not sure about Stephen.
@weatherandsky 7 жыл бұрын
Loved this one Steve! Can't wait to start IFR training. It was great to get a controllers perspective. It's always been an ongoing argument amongst pilots on whether you should be getting flight following or making position calls on the common frequency instead. BTW... Awesome that he also flies out of zba as well!! Hope we can all connect some day. I love and miss these traditional videos. Please make more of them :)
@ajl9791 7 жыл бұрын
Great video! As a pilot it's always helpful to get a controllers insight... helps lift the "fog" of ATC communications... and ease the fears associated with being in the system. Beautiful aircraft... what a panel. Thanks for another informative and awesome video!
@jve89 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, this guy looks just like Tim Cook!
@maxpf 5 жыл бұрын
why is he eating his mic though :D
@DominikNeumayr 7 жыл бұрын
I try to take notes whenever possible. Makes readbacks easier and in stressful situations you don't forget what you have to do
@MJLeger-yj1ww 6 жыл бұрын
It's usually only fairly new or in experienced pilots who are afraid of ATC. But we have to trust them for aircraft separation, that's their job, and they are very busy (depending on the time of day and the airport). If a pilot is unsure, never be afraid to ask clarification of instructions. ATC may sound impatient, but if you are a new pilot and tell them so, they will be more patient with you. It takes good attitudes, trust and cooperation on both ends of the scope. Being nice is never wrong! If an ATC is curt, it can cause errors. Pilots must be sure of doing what it right or it spells trouble.
@gmontoy153a 7 жыл бұрын
"Thirty O seven", "Four thousand for five thousand" ....... Some of the ways on how I don't recommend pilots to respond on the radio. O is a letter not a number, and "for" can be confused with the number "four".
@bennylofgren3208 7 жыл бұрын
What is a better phrase instead of for? "Climbing to"? Or just "to" perhaps?
@kurtisf3366 7 жыл бұрын
gmontoy153a It's nit picking like this that make some apprehensive about talking to ATC. The guy in the video is a controller and clearly knows how he needs to communicate with ATC. We don't need to be perfect with ATC, if they get confused they'll verify. So many people don't talk to ATC for fear of saying something the wrong way.
@12WhiteBoy26 7 жыл бұрын
I try to say "four thousand CLIMBING five thousand" or "five thousand DESCENDING four thousand." TO and FOR both sound like numbers but I would agree with the other commenter on this thread that most of the time controllers understand perfectly fine either way and that nit picking can be counter-productive. With that said I do like to try to be intentional about how I say things in order to make it as easy as possible for ATC to understand.
@Ca-ks4vd 7 жыл бұрын
yeah i go with the one threethousand climbing FL210 etc or descending one two thousand... thats lot better thand using FOR or TO
@RichardMoffitt0 7 жыл бұрын
sometime at work when using radio.. i would accidentally say in quick manner like 'Door 1-oh-4 is ready to go' when it should be Door 104. off the point... sorry. move along guys.
@1BA_AV8R 7 жыл бұрын
Me: "Van Nuys Tower, Helicopter 699PH northwest corner, reque..." ATC: "UNABLE! 👿"
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
+1BA AV8R - haha. Only hick up with that story is how did they interrupt you, if you were transmitting, thus owning the frequency? But I hear what you are saying, they did not have time for a request at that moment and it can be frustrating to face that.
@1BA_AV8R 7 жыл бұрын
FlightChops lol I was joking but I understand their (ATC's) frustration level which is why I try to be as helpful on frequency when possible.
@randyporter3491 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, with some really valuable information. This touched on some things that are seldom discussed and almost never taught. Thanks for sharing !
@GSOaviator 7 жыл бұрын
Thanksgiving keeps getting better and better! Thanks Steve!
@xwhels 7 жыл бұрын
I am a pilot i've never seen a pilot who is afraid of atc ?! They can get us in trouble and we can too
@silent4672 7 жыл бұрын
Ok this is flight chops. Were is the chops?! First thing I thought was who is this guy. lol
@FlightChops 7 жыл бұрын
the 'chops have vacation days like the rest of us... this flight was filmed during one of those times. Good news is they are back with in a week or two :)
@GeraldWayneEllison 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not a pilot but love watching the video. I thought it was cool to hear the controller say to call out the tail number and wait for a responce. Also, it's nice to see a video like this before I would take flying lessons. I love seeing youtube videos because I can see where things are complicated and having some background that relates may be (is) important. I'm less intimidated by it now.
@Aero360Aviation 7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! This has been one of my favorites so far.
@nitehawk86 7 жыл бұрын
Oh, TETOS. I thought you were saying "TIto's." Like it was Tito's waypoint.
@kamico2007 7 жыл бұрын
I understood cheetos... lol
@ryanm.191 7 жыл бұрын
Dunno about you, but I am shit scared of the atc at my airfield. They're almost as ruthless as the lot in Frankfurt. They don't tolerate any mistakes and if you don't call back within 3 seconds perfectly *you are fucked*
@goodenough4399 7 жыл бұрын
Ryan M. KDAB?
@srestharakesh2174 7 жыл бұрын
Ryan M. Are there any stories on Frankfurt? Seems pretty specific
@ryanm.191 7 жыл бұрын
Johnny Kush not that I have experienced but what I heard. A British airways b747 went nose to nose with another aircraft and the ground went insane. And no one wanted to say anything or make a mistake which might irate them any more. And apparently they were really mad and said that the plane can expect to sit for half an hour on taxiway before given instructions that need to be followed perfectly
@bembrin 7 жыл бұрын
I grew up flying an Aeronca Champ with no radio so have always felt a little deficient when it comes to radio. It's great to have access to so much content these days where I can listen to radio communication to get the feel for it again.
@brandenharrison5875 7 жыл бұрын
Love the videos and the educational experiences. Keep up the videos.
@MarcoMazziniYT 6 жыл бұрын
Dear Air Traffic Controllers: SPEAK UNDERSTANDABLY. If you clear me to land on runway 18L, don't say "cllllanruwanetyleft".
@piotrkuler2474 5 жыл бұрын
It depends. Clrd 18L is pretty standard and If You briefed that You know what to expect. But i agree with You in case of some unusual clearances they need to speak slowly.
@1Gaumer 7 жыл бұрын
I ran into the keeping the speed up issue in IMC after a rough night of sleep last week. I feel more confident after watching this telling the controller I can't maintain a speed. Thanks man!
@5128goldenrod 7 жыл бұрын
This was awesome, controller dude....like a normal guy.....talking to a controller....,also like the reminder about PIC determining what he and the plane are capable of doing...which changes based on all the factors at play, incliding the I'M SAFE checklist!
@michaeljohn8905 5 жыл бұрын
So good to see a controller who is also a pilot. Cross training is extremely important. I really enjoy just listening to ATC live and anything that has to do with aviation training. I would love to go up into a tower to train for a day. I feel that anything that has to do with aviation training will help me to be a better pilot and or controller.
@theturbodiesel 7 жыл бұрын
I don't have a IFR rating, but what really worked for me was touring my local control tower and talking to the guys face to face. I think every pilot should meet face to face with a controller after their first solo...brings the anxiety level way down!
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