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ZOOM R24 vs R20 comparison - which one is better for you?
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Күн бұрынMy ZOOM R20 multirack recorder finally arrived, so here's a comparison with the older R24, including some audio quality comparisons of different music styles. Table of contents:
00:00 introduction
00:35 hardware overview
01:26 what do both machines have in common?
02:55 R24 exclusive features
05:10 R20 exclusive features
07:25 why all of this may not matter ...
07:57 explaining my test setup
08:53 important things to consider
09:07 audio test 1: synthwave
09:39 audio test 2: ambient
10:10 audio test 3: rock
10:47 conclusion
12:10 bye-bye
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@depositiveone2677 Жыл бұрын
I own the Zoom R24. I've had it since 2012 and I use it to record all of my albums with it. The editing functions are simple and never had an issue with it. I still use it to this day and sacrificing some tracks for a touch screen on the R20 would seem cumbersome. The R20 may be new, but nothing beats the authenticity and portability of the R24.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! It's (as anything is) really a matter of personal preferences. For me, the R20 sounded ever so slightly more "clear" (as can be heard in the video). Otherwise, I totally agree to you, a mechanical interface is always preferable to a touch screen.
@fraserclark3681 10 ай бұрын
100 percent they went backwards on this only 2 combo audio jacks not battey operated, no built in conducer mics I would not get one if it was going to me my AIF
@legendsflashback 9 ай бұрын
On r24 can you record the hi hat in track 4 the kick button track 1 snare track 3 etc? Or does drums buttons under each line only record In 1 track? And can I replace the preset drums with my own?
@depositiveone2677 9 ай бұрын
@@legendsflashback The drum function, I never use, since I use drums from my keyboards and a live kit from time to time, but I'm quite sure you can.
@legendsflashback 9 ай бұрын
@@depositiveone2677 cool thx
@mhotest3704 Жыл бұрын
This was incredibly helpful. With the massive price drop on the R20, it has become an interesting option - but I'm not sure it has the feature set I'm after. With both of these, I like the idea of a DAWless recording setup. I now have a good comparison rather than simply reading the marketing text. Thanks!
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ErnieLeblanc Жыл бұрын
This video, so far, is the most thourough I've seen covering every feature the unit has to offer.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I guess the number of people who sidegraded from the R24 to R20 and that also were willing to upload the process to KZfaq is relatively small. ;)
@ErnieLeblanc Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst I'm going R20.
@beatnikcafe 2 жыл бұрын
I wish someone would make an R8 with 8 inputs and 8 outputs. It would be a great machine for demos and for production where you want to mix with a separate console but giving you a lot of options for how you want to track and mix. Would also make a great audio interface.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! The R20 comes close with 8 Inputs and 4 outputs, but your idea would be even better. 🙂
@revnichols1 2 жыл бұрын
OMG, that would dominate the market! Hey @Zoom, you listening???
@joesmith5617 2 жыл бұрын
Use a splitter snake for more outputs
@revnichols1 2 жыл бұрын
Adding a splitter snake does not give me access to each channel separately, say a whole drum kit miked with 6to 8 mics…That would just be a summed mix, or just two channels to individually dump one or two at time into DAW or an old Real to reel a track that I have. Eight ins/8 outputs would allow Way more flexibility/ speed for remote recording. As well as being able to dump each track into its own track without worrying about time alignment issues. I know, “audio people” make things way more complicated than we need to. Just been doing this now for, 30 years and have amassed to much equipment…
@joesmith5617 2 жыл бұрын
@@revnichols1 you can split each into two mono to double your ouputs but yes you wouldnt be able to use it like that with this method but could still be used in a different situation calm it pal no need to flex
@rothloaf1980 Жыл бұрын
Watching vid as I reply but I can add my personal opinion. I have an R16 and an R20. The 1st month I had the R20 I was disappointed by the fixed 3band ch eq because the R16 had sweepable mids that was useful for notching frequencies particular to an instrument's range during mixdown. I was also initially disappointed by the mixdown effects of the R20. I had grown fond of the extensive bank of stereo mix fx in my R16. Lastly, and this is a lingering gripe, the R16 faders were better during any bank switch while mixing. On the R20, one may have to slide a sound up to get the ghost fader to move the volume. The R20 work around requires minimizing old style fader moves during mixdown by creating extra tracks to adjust volume within a mix. All said, once I had a recording process for the R20, the eq and fx lost from R16 have not been an issue and I prefer the R20 for its ease and quickness. Managing files (loading, duplicating etc) is much easier than the previous R boxes, even though the chassis feels cheap compared to older models. I'm subscribing. Thanks for the video.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! This reflects my own experience. The DAW-style sequencer makes navigating projects much easier. Plus, if you watched Gaz Rendar's video, you can add more effects with the Guitar Lab software. I think they could add some quality-of-life fixes to the R20's UI, for example, having to leave a project just to go into SD card reader mode is quite annoying, and so on.
@rothloaf1980 Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Between yourself and Gaz, I'm hoping for a small user group to exchange issues and fixes with. Feel free to use my replies to leave a question or start a discussion.
@machiwoomiapoo 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for convincing me to just stick with my R24. I've been using the R24 for years. It sounds really good and there's just so much you can do with it. The only thing I'd like is more input channels. I bought the Tascam Model 24, but the built-in recorder was dead on arrival. It's probably not a very good start to working with that machine, so I took it back and didn't bother getting another one. The R24 build quality isn't the best either. I had two at one time that I sync'd up to record multiple channels, but two of the channels died on one of the the R24's. It was also a pain in the butt to get them to work well together. Take care, Sam.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Sam! I think Zoom made some missteps in rebuilding the R series from scratch and I hope they release some firmware updates. (They already did by releasing a 2.0 firmware for the R20 some days ago, but it takes more).
@MartinCraneRockbeast Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst For more inputs add another R16/24.
@legendsflashback 9 ай бұрын
On r24 can you record the hi hat in track 4 the kick button track 1 snare track 3 etc? Or does drums buttons under each line only record In 1 track? And can I replace the preset drums with my own
@machiwoomiapoo 9 ай бұрын
@@legendsflashbackI never use the onboard r24 drums. I always just use my own drum machines. Sorry, I don't know.
@legendsflashback 9 ай бұрын
@@machiwoomiapoo ok cool but seem like good option imagine 2 buttons sp1200 2 buttons mpc60 sound and 4 more other machines
@GazRendar 2 жыл бұрын
Really nice comparison. Your little experiment confirmed what I thought I was hearing - that the R20 sounds a little bit better than the old R-series, especially in the clarity and brightness of the mids and treble. Here's hoping Zoom keeps the firmware updates coming. +1 sub!
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'd return the favour, but I already subbed some time ago. :-)
@slapopimp 2 жыл бұрын
Would've been nice if the examples were actually level matched. The R20 had a hotter signal when switched from the R24. That alone would make it seem better! The R24 seem to have more of a glue to the mix as well.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
@@slapopimp Thanks for your input! As I said in the video, I loaded the WAV files into audacity and normalized them. That being said, I'm definitely not a pro audio guy, so if there's anything I should have done different, I'm all open for suggestions!
@thephoenixchant Жыл бұрын
My question is: are the R20 preamps better [cleaner, introduce less noise, more powerful] than the R24s? In the sound comparisons I always see importing a track recorded in the studio [so no preamps involved] or recorded from a keyboard/synth that has a high gain output [so that the preamp of the R24 is bypassed; not really used]. I understand that if the R24 gets the signal from another preamp the result is great, but what happens when there's no other preamp other than the Zoom R24s? Is the sound then way better captured in the R20? Are the R20 preamps better and less noisy? That would end the everlasting debate between the "recording sound" quality of both units,once and for all 😄
@keykrazy Жыл бұрын
@@thephoenixchant I don't have an R20 so can't comment on the preamp comparison between the two units. That said, I've got the following mullti-tracker devices that i use regularly: 2 x R16's, 2 x MRS-1608's, an HD16, and a Yamaha AW2816. The preamps in the R16 are passable/useable but might not be the best of what you might find in other equipment. In everyday practice I'm generally not needing to use the preamps beyond just a little bump in signal for the odd hardware synth or two with a rather quiet output (e.g.: an Ensoniq EPS, and a Behringer Poly-D running through external FX). I play multiple instruments and own way too much gear, so pretty much anything i might have plugged into my R16's are already up to line level before being going into the R16. Moreover, when i've got something recorded that is worth sharing with others i tend to take out the SD card and move over to my PC for very minor post-production in the DAW. I.e., i'll normalize all the tracks in my DAW and then use noise-reduction to eliminate any background noise introduced by any preamps used (whether R16 preamps or not) and then just close out of the DAW to save all the edited .WAV's right back to the SD card. So in my experience i can't say i've noticed the R16's preamps being any better or worse than those on most other gear i own, and ANY preamp i'm using is going to introduce some amount of noise anyway, so..
@tomxico Ай бұрын
Exelent explanation I found up till now. Thank you very much.
@mr_floydst Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@WolfMountford 2 жыл бұрын
Also, the R20 doesn't have the AA battery portable option. I was torn between the R8 and R20 as a regular mixer and something I can take on the road. But it was the battery option that made me go with the R8. If I need more tracks then I'll just get a better mixer in the future. The Tascam DP-008 EX is also a great one. A little cheaper and smaller than the R8, but it has less features. But they both have the battery powered option. So to rap this up, the Zoom R8 outsold the R20 to me the other day, simply due to the battery powered option LOL!
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
I really don't know what they were thinking. This should have been an all-singing, all-dancing upgrade. ;-)
@nickotasla3091 Жыл бұрын
Wolf. I agree with you 100 Percent! They should of made this r20 with batteries as well!!!!!!! Darn!!!!!!
@2112jonr Жыл бұрын
Good review and comparison, thanks Floyd. I have the R16, which is very similar to the R24, bar the track count. The lack of per channel 6.5mm balanced input jacks put me off the R20 - I don't want to buy 8 extra leads at even more expense just to rig up my synths. Not sure what Tascam were thinking with the R20. Some great ideas, badly implemented.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
This sums up my own impressions pretty well. :-)
@dshore22 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video! Sooo important to hear the sound differences between similar types of recording gear. Awesome job, many thanks 👏
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@bravinneff7932 Жыл бұрын
During the audio comparison section, there is a very obvious volume jump going from the R24 to the R20. I noticed that I immediately favored the R20. It sounded "brighter," "more airy," "more alive." Once I forced the two audio streams to be equal in volume, I found I no longer favored the R20. The differences were hard to hear.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! As I showed in the video, I normalized the WAV files to the same peak value in Audacity before dragging them into the video project. Do you have an idea why there's a volume difference, perceived or real?
@bravinneff7932 Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Because RMS values are what count, not peak values.
@bravinneff7932 Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Digging deeper, I'm listening to the audio test 1 section, starting about 9:12. I'm watching the meters on my RME digicheck software during playback. The RMS levels drop considerably when it switches from the R20 to the R24. The drops are as much as 2 to 3 dB (just eyeballing it). I'm also seeing a drop in the 3-5K region of the spectrum on the R24. This is likely the "brightness" thing that the R20 seems to have more of. More confusingly, moving to audio test 2 (ambient), about 9:43, the 2 units have much more matched levels and also the 3-5K difference has gone away. And I cannot hear any meaningful difference on this test. Then on to test 3, the big dB jumps come back, and I automatically favor the R20, which just happens to be louder. Of course, as you know, the brain automatically favors louder.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your very detailed analysis and explanation! Unfortunately, I can't repeat this test with the corrections you suggested :-/
@Colosphonium 10 ай бұрын
@@bravinneff7932you are wrong. the pre-amp on the new unit are way better. its not just a question of volume. they use better A/D/D/A CONVERTER. the sound difference come from that. one unit is 2011.. the other is 2023. .massive improvement in processing power changes in 12 years. that being said evrething is subjective. but i watch these video in 20k studio monitor. yes i know that its compress trought youtube.. but both exemple are.
@storkythepunk 4 ай бұрын
Great video comparison, to my 64 year old ears the R20 seemed to have more mid range, and I thought sounded muddier, whereas the R24 seemed brighter/clearer sounding, plus the R24 has more interesting features, and to my mind more potential.
@mr_floydst 4 ай бұрын
Everything really depends on individual tastes and perception. To me, the R20 has a clear edge on the mid and high frequencies, but who am I to judge how other people perceive this. :-)
@marvamk 3 ай бұрын
thanx-there is not many vids on the r24 although t is a very useful machine. A nice, lightweight batterypowered 8 track mixer -and recorder
@mr_floydst 3 ай бұрын
I made a couple of videos on the R24 in the last years, but they're very slow paced and kind of awkward, haha :-)
@muzboz Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks Floyd!
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@railinly610 8 ай бұрын
I've been recording synthesisers and drums on the R24 for over a year now and I really like it. My recordings come out verbatim.
@mr_floydst 8 ай бұрын
I used it for many years. It's a great recorder.
@MarkGardner66Bonnie 11 ай бұрын
Great info and comparison. I think I honestly lean toward the R24...and the ambient music tracks were good..
@mr_floydst 11 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching! If you're using it for recording a band, the R24 is the better option clearly. More hands-on controls, for example.
@user-rk2xj8gr3h 9 ай бұрын
Welcome into the Club 😂me too. R24 is much better.
@cindygust-jenson5545 8 ай бұрын
R24 has been discontinued?
@yoann_ 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great comparison Floyd! It convinced me to stick with my R24 though
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help! I decided to go with the R20 (as I think the sound quality is superiour) but I'm really a bit angered they removed all the good stuff that was in the R24 / R16 / R8.
@yoann_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Maybe Zoom will release a R30 with those missing features!
@aariccallahan7371 Жыл бұрын
The R20 is attractive, especially when it was on sale but one gripe I have is it only has 2x 1/4" inputs. It looks like the R24 has 8x combo jacks (XLR and 1/4"). I am trying to decide between the R24 and Tascam 24SD. If anyone has any thoughts on comparing those 2, let me know.
@christianboddum8783 5 ай бұрын
I just bought my second R24 to have the master/slave 16 track option. I like the unit and I know it well, so It's works for live use because of that. I wish the built in mics had a pad function as they are easy to overload/distort. I will try a full set of rechargeable batteries at next rehearsal to see if that holds up 😉
@dreamscuba 7 ай бұрын
Great video and comparison. I typically am a DAW user (Logic Pro). However, I am tempted to go DAWless at times... I have an option for a secondhand R24 (very good price), so this video has been very helpful. Thanks
@mr_floydst 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@droussel7359 2 жыл бұрын
Really like the daw-like arrangement view. The screen seems very sluggish though and I am really not convinced I want to use my mixer as a synth! I feel it should just try to be excellent at being a mixer and recorder/arranger. Anyway, still happy that they are willing to bring such product to market.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
The screen is a bit sluggish indeed, compared to a smartphone. There's an option to turn off the "snapping" which might or might not improve the overall impression. ;-)
@SaumBodhi Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Oh that's interesting actually since i don't use click tracks most of the time. It will be interesting when they release another R recorder in 10 years
@darwiniandude 8 ай бұрын
Just bought a used R24 - page 104 of the manual says that all 8 inputs have phantom, but they're switched in software not the front panel switch. Not obvious, but makes it a lot more professional. EDIT: My mistake, it's actually 6 inputs, 1 and 2 don't have phantom, but 3 through 8 can, and on that manual page you can turn it off for 3/4 and or 7/8 leaving just 5/6 on. Anyway, thought I'd better leave a correction for my correction, haha.
@mr_floydst 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for pointing that out! My bad, you're right!
@JohnAnderson4242 6 ай бұрын
Wow - R24 so much like my old MRS-8 - think I'll keep it.
@mr_floydst 6 ай бұрын
There's no wrong with that. :-)
@stu6129 2 жыл бұрын
best overview/tute ive seen 👀 go floyd 🫀
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@Count-Zaroff 5 ай бұрын
Stellar job. Exactly the info I wanted to find. Subbed.
@mr_floydst 5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@matthiasdoffek3282 Жыл бұрын
I own the R24 and the R20. Now I use both as an Audio Interface. R24 for Linux and Reaper, R20 Windows 11 and Garage Band. It is a good combination Audio Interface and Controller. For Mobile use I miss FX, synchronize,MIDI and Audio Quantize. As a Controller I miss Motorfader and more Banks when I have more than 20 Tracks.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Both are pretty good audio interfaces, but as a controller, the R24 has the edge.
@matthiasdoffek3282 Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst is it possible to cascade both r24 with USB and to have a Controller for 48 Tracks?
@legendsflashback 9 ай бұрын
On r24 can you record the hi hat in track 4 the kick button track 1 snare track 3 etc? Or does drums buttons under each line only record In 1 track? And can I replace the preset drums with my own
@jenslempke7501 3 ай бұрын
The R20 with a real, deep synth/rompler and of course 48,88 and 96 khz capability would really be something.
@mr_floydst 3 ай бұрын
Yes, agreed. That would be quite something. :-)
@johnthecloud Жыл бұрын
Really wish they'd update the R24 with class compliant usb Midi so that we could sync external midi gear to it Dawlessly. Seems such a no brainer.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
I really wonder why they don't do that.
@MountainBlade Жыл бұрын
This was brilliantly done!
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@__Rob Жыл бұрын
Wow. I was going to get an r24 but it's so tinny compared to the r20. So much more bass, roundness and clarity. You can hear this most clearly on the "rock" take. The guitar was so bad in the r24 and so good on the r20.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
That's my impression as well, but some of my viewers disagree, pointing out I didn't do the leveling correctly (which I describe in the video). But my daily impression is the thing I recorded is true and the R20 does sound better, and notably so.
@__Rob Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Btw, how much compression do you find the preamps add (not the compression effect, just the preamps dry) when you're recording a touch sensitive instrument like guitar? I've sometimes had problems with some preamps with a too-compressed signal for some things like solo guitar pieces.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
I never thought about that - I'll try it once I have a bit of time and report back ;)
@chriswood426 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video. Thank you
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@YukiTheSynthDragon 2 жыл бұрын
I had an r16 for a very long time, it sounded ok (not great) and had a great workflow. It had really bad build quality though. My r16 had a busted fader out of the box but the replacement was good. I was thinking of these r20 since I love mutitracks. Thanks for the video ! I think I will stick with my tascam dp24sd for the time now since it has more physical controls. The only issue with that is it only supports sdhc so 32gb limit. I do like the the interface of the r20 though. I think at this point I'm doing a hybrid setup with my model 12 and then do all post production in a daw (as much as I hate daws) or maybe just record into an ipad.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Using these boxes as an extension of your DAW is one of the many things they're good for (among recording 8 tracks at once, and other stuff).
@sapinit4322 Жыл бұрын
an excellent comparison, thanks!
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! :)
@DocBolus 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like an interesting bit of kit. certainly tempting
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Quenaelin Ай бұрын
Great video and great comparison. I have R24 and I am thinking of buying R20 for more usability and sound clarity, R24 is quite muddy sounding device. I am always try to get more clarity out of it, but I don't know what I am doing wrong, but now I know for better because your review, R24 device doesn't produce very clear sound, no matter what you do. I don't like to use DAWs they are too complicated for my taste, as hobby musician I just want to play different instruments and record and have fun playing, every DAWs I have tried feels the same, their workflow is feeling more like work than fun. How about guitar effects in R20 are they any better and not so muddy than in R24?
@mr_floydst Ай бұрын
The guitar effects in the R20 are good, but a bit more "curated" (read: there are less of them compared to the R24)
@dynamicfreqz1112 2 жыл бұрын
I just got a great deal for a R24. I was lucky enough to get one for $260 before tax, and free shipping. I wanted to get something affordable, until I get my synth setup done. I'm okay with it not having perfect clear audio. It's good enough for what it is. I plan on using it to track synths and field recording. After I buy some more synths, then I'll worry about getting something that sounds perfect. I've been looking at the Mackie Onyx series, and the Tascam Model 16-24. I want something that has analog options. I have a bunch of software, and a few DAWs, so I can make up for any sound quality issues for now. The A-B definitely made the R20 louder and brighter, but the 24 is good enough. Especially for the price that I paid. The main genre I'll be using it for is experimental ambient lofi type stuff. I'll be doing my post production in a daw.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Congratz! The R24 is a great machine, I used it for years. One convenient thing is it's a mixer when only connected to a USB cable. The R24 isn't.
@djjuno106 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Floyd:)
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@electrosonicnebula Жыл бұрын
It's interesting how Floyd is not that impressed with the screen. Being able to drag and drop and extend regions is a paradigm shift in standalone multitrackers (Maschine or MPC being more than just multitrackers). The screen looks more responsive than the MPC touch screen I played with at a friend's house (would Floyd or anyone confirm or deny that?), as well as easier than other standalone multitrackers. From the looks of it that screen is super easy, including with color coding and the snapping behavior of the faders. I think "redefines easy" is actually a reasonably credible spiel for once. I know a lot of people who still record on their older tascams. The new Tascams Model 12/16/24 are really cool too and vastly more powerful but now that we've seen R20 who would want anything less than that screen to manipulate recordings? I hope one day Zoom makes a flagship recorder with that sort of screen just bigger and all the features that are missing.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching! I'm afraid I have to disappoint you. While the screen is big, bright and nicely laid out, it's slow and sluggish to work with. Scrolling down to see the extra tracks is extra painful and takes 2 or 3 tries, as well as "swiping in" the track options from the left. It's just not pleasant to do precision work with. Of course it's a big step forward from the R24's screen and sequencer, which made arranging and repeating parts extra painful. ;-) MPC really is worlds ahead in it's responsiveness and general UI design.
@electrosonicnebula Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydstOk, thanks for the reply. Too bad about the screen, maybe one day they'll improve it. I tend to like devices with no screen at all or with a super streamlined and easy to work with screen but so many have these small cluttered screens, totally kills the vibe
@DIYDSP 10 ай бұрын
@@electrosonicnebula rats. Too bad it's less responsice than mpc live which i find less than great :( but seeing which tracks have music on them is a killer feature i dont have on my zoom R16s. I dont need to edit on the recorder, i do that on a daw, but making sure i dont overwrite parts i already recorded would be huge. I certainly dont need cheesy drums in my recorder either :) i have a korg pss-50 for that!
@CREEPLAIR Жыл бұрын
Ok @ZOOM After owning an R24 for years.. I bought an L12 thinking it would be AT LEAST a good as the R24. In reality.. it doesn't work as a controller at all.. using it as an interface is possible, but limiting if you want to record at higher sample rates you are stuck with 48khz. 96 is available if recording to the SD card. However if you are MULTI tracking.. you can only send back to L12 as stereo track only.. not multi- track as recorded so even mixing on the unit is limited depending on how you want to use it. Now here comes the R20. Kinda cool looking , touchscreen.. controller... but less tracks. WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO AS GOOD AS THE R24 AT LEAST? You want any more of my money put all the features into one mixer/ interface/ controller. (And the 5 headphones outs like L12) is 2023 in a day. Multi tracking in a DAW is more popular than anything these units should be catering to that imo.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Couldn't agree more.
@CREEPLAIR Жыл бұрын
@Floyd Steinberg great content btw. Happy New Year!
@KPsTboy 8 ай бұрын
Being a jack user, I'm bummed about the XLR only input on the R20. It wasn't necessary to do that. It's also unfortunate they haven't added the sample play pads. While in this video it's used for the drumkit, you can also place every sample of your choice under every button which you can use as a 1-shot or loop, with which you can actually perform. I always hate the character limit for projects and tracknames on the R24, which is a plus on the R20. Soundwise it's obvious the R20 is the better choice. I'm going to stick with my R24 though and wait for the R22 😏
@mr_floydst 8 ай бұрын
You're running into open doors here :) The list of things they Removed fills 3 Pages at least...
@Risenprophets 5 ай бұрын
The r24 with pair better with my retro mpc one is why I’m leaning towards that look
@mr_floydst 5 ай бұрын
Ok, that's a perfectly valid reason. (plus you get 8 more tracks and the mastering effects)
@Risenprophets 5 ай бұрын
@@mr_floydst I don’t wanna start a beat from scratch, just import a beat I already made and record over it can I do that if I can get the r24 for like 250, here’s what I came to, Zoom r24, tascam model 12 or tascam 008ex?
@mr_floydst 5 ай бұрын
The R24 can do that. Just drag your track into the project folder while the R24 is acting as an SD card reader. Then disconnect, create a new project, import your MPC beat into one of the tracks and use all the other tracks to record additional stuff. I tried Tascam in the past, and their way of handling external files and file export is hugely annoying. On ZOOM devices, you can access all the WAV files directly without needed to run a painfully slow rendering process.
@mikolajsluzewski6121 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know about you, but I found the R24 recording samples sounding better to my ear - maybe just not in terms of "objective quality", because the R20 does sound somewhat clearer and more "direct" (punchy?) so to speak, but the R24 seems to have a more pleasant overall tone, more dynamic range maybe (?), while the R20 seemed a little "flat" (not in the positive way, that is) in comparison; more "digital" if you will. Or maybe it's just the wax in my old ears that makes me fancy the "waxier" tone of R24 a little more? ;) Cheers!
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Well, I guess anything is a matter of personal taste - in my opinion the R20 sounds both more powerful and transparent, at least I was able to detect more details (listen to the delay effect and the hihats for example). I guess there's a scientifically correct method to settle this, but I don't have the technical means to do so (a sine sweep with a device that is known to have a linear output would show us if one of the machines is boosting certain frequencies).
@WolfMountford 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, you're spot on. I was thinking the same thing. R20 is more clear but the R24 has a better overall sound. Like you said, more of a dynamic range. Like that warm 80's tone. They're both digital but one sounds MORE digital than the other LOL!
@Chosenone429 2 жыл бұрын
Great 👍👍 Professional video..I may pick the R20 up
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ocean457 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Interesting how even after normalization the R24 sounds way quieter. If you just rendered without using any mastering algorithm in both units, I can only assume that the pre-amps are much better and cleaner in the R20.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! That's what I assume as well (and I use the R20 a lot, it sounds notably better to me). I didn't use mastering effects.
@boothbuster Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst I wonder if you ran a volume analyzer on those two recordings, whether the R20 might be compressing and putting out a higher intermediate LUFS signal - I really hear it as being louder, especially in the first example... after all, normalizing only makes the peaks sit at 0dB, there could still be more "loudness"... part of it could be difference in EQ too (older one could be less high frequency response). For me, the synthwave sounded most different - but if I turn by headphones up one notch on my laptop, it sounds just as loud as the R20, and then it (the R24) actually has more weight and sounds better in terms of bass and kick response. The middle track sounded almost exactly the same to me (and not too much bass in that one)... the rock one had a notable difference, once again, in the bass... so i do feel like there's some EQ in the inputs/preamps, at least, which could affect loudness also. :) Anyway, they're cool devices... I really enjoyed hooking up the R24 to multiple-out drum machines, jamming around for 10 minutes, then playing it back and having that immediate control of volume to "DJ" the levels a bit...
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
@@boothbuster You could very well be right in your assessment - as I said in the video, I'm not an audio engineer but merely a hobbyist. So that's why I showed how I leveled those recordings, so people that are more knowledgable than me can draw the right conclusions. :-)
@boothbuster Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst no doubt! At least you were honest and you did match pretty closely… wayyy too many folks out there are comparing audio gear 10X the price and simply not level matching… makes me cry every time someone engages some expensive gear and is very excited but also the level is at least a solid 4 dB louder… :) thanks for making these, really enjoyed your RS7000 one. (I got one after watching your video but never get to really play with it… but will keep it as a collector’s item anyway, and hopefully spend more time eventually for fun.)
@bigoldnoob 2 жыл бұрын
You can find a used R24 for around 200€ here in Europe. I own 2 (my portable 16-track recording rig that fits in a backpack), paid 190€ for one, 240€ for the other. So it's pretty much case closed for me, at least 'till their next iteration/generation.
@SaumBodhi Жыл бұрын
When you sync them up like that, can you use the swap, bounce, and master recording between the two?
@bigoldnoob Жыл бұрын
Haven't done serious recording yet with mine, but I've done some testing, just record and play a bit with mine in sync. They record, play and overall work independently. The transport gets sync'd and apparently that's it. Haven't tried bouncing (just took tracks out of both to a DAW after recording), but I'd bet each master track can only record a mix of the 8 "local" tracks.
@SaumBodhi Жыл бұрын
@@bigoldnoob Yeah that's what i'm guessing. However i'm pretty sure you could hook up the headphone jack of one R24 into an input of the other if you aren't using more than 47 tracks you could easily bounce them old school and then do a master. Just that re-mastering would require you to repeat the process because the actual separated tracks are on the other machine. A faster process would be to create a master track on the receiving R24 with the input track being armed/live i suppose. Cause all that happens when you sync them is they're timed together. Pretty awesome that you can even do that though.
@Usul 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting comparison. The touch screen on the R20 looks nearly unusable in the demo. It appears sluggish, with a difficult to use touch-interface design. Was it okay in real-life?
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
It depends :-) It's a far cry from android or ios devices, but it works ok most of the tiime. The only thing that _really_ drives me insane is trying to grab the "handles" of a section to loop or stretch it. ZOOM really needs to make those handles bigger.
@dystopia2386 3 ай бұрын
A 10" screen is required in 2024.
@nate6692 3 ай бұрын
I was eager to check out the R20 having had an R24 in the past, but I'm disappointed at the lackluster MIDI implementation.
@mr_floydst 3 ай бұрын
I think Zoom will _never_ implement MIDI sync on one of their multitrackers. ;-)
@legendsflashback 9 ай бұрын
On r24 can you record the hi hat in track 4 the kick button track 1 snare track 3 etc? Or does drums buttons under each line only record In 1 track? And can I replace the preset drums with my own
@mr_floydst 9 ай бұрын
It's been a while since I last used one, so take my answer with a pinch of salt: 1) Yes, that's possible. You can set up multiple drum tracks. 2) That's possible as well, but you'll lose an audio track for each drum sample (Bass Drum=Track 1, Snare=2, and so on)
@legendsflashback 9 ай бұрын
@@mr_floydst ok cool so kick track 1, snare track 2, hi hats 3, my voice 4 (only 5 tracks simultaneously on r24 or 8 tracks simultaneously?). Wow I feel dumb now I bought r16 I should bought r24 to have drums smh
@mr_floydst 9 ай бұрын
Both recorders can record 8 tracks at a time, and play back their respective number of tracks simultaneously (16 and 24)
@legendsflashback 9 ай бұрын
@@mr_floydst ok
@sunsetarchitect Жыл бұрын
My guess is that options were removed from the R20, as most people these days will work on a DAW on their computer. The days of working on, and mixing a track exclusively on a console like this are entirely dead, except for some vintage holdouts for niche reasons. Personally, I would want this device firstly an 8 input audio interface ($450) rivaling the Clarett+ Pre8 ($900) at half the cost. Not too mention the ability to portably record, say, drums at a different space, and then tote it home to put it on the DAW is exceptional. Therefore, the sound upgrade is really what counts most for modern users. I will almost always track "clean raw" recordings, and worry about editing afterward. The only reason I would need to change any effect or EQ while recording would be at the request of bettering a musician's recording process.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! All in all, you're totally right, "DAWless" recording and mixing is totally niche. But even viewed from your angle, the design decisions made for this product are puzzling. They removed the battery compartment, but put a lot of work into the editor (track and sequence arranger), which is typical DAW stuff.
@sunsetarchitect Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Agreed. I do like the colored visual elements which can help you see more clearly what you are recording, but the touchscreen aspect of it is above and beyond. I'm guessing we're just at that point where the tech is so cheap that they throw it on just cause they can. The battery aspect wouldn't bother me as I will always be recording in some room with outlets, but yeah for people who do "live recordings" of nature/spaces, or man-on-the-street interviews/busking performances it would be a nice feature. The biggest problem for me is the limitation of 8 inputs. Don't get me wrong it's great, but I do wish there was an ADAT input or some way of purchasing an expansion to be able to record 12 or 16 inputs at once. That is something it can't compete with the Clarett+ on.
@wiggesobk 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video! I still rock my R8 💪
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The R8 is a nice gadget to have.
@bahgo 3 ай бұрын
Although the 20 is clearer, I prefer the sound of the 24. Is the Sample Rate set to 44.1 on both?
@mr_floydst 3 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching - yes, sample rate is 44.1khz.
@mathiasmoreno6645 Ай бұрын
What happens if we push the R24 signal with an external preamp, can it improve the sound quality?
@mr_floydst Ай бұрын
I think I'd try eq'ing the recordings first. The R24 captures all the frequencies, but perhaps some more than others (same might be true for the R20).
@vantasties 2 жыл бұрын
Very well made video!
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@dionisiofelipefernandez5731 Жыл бұрын
A really good information about both, the r20 and the r24. Thanks. Would you be so kind to tell me if the recording quality between R12 and R20 are similar? Is one of them better than the other one in terms of quality sound and quality recording? Thanks in advance.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching! I don't remember where I read that, so take this info with a pinch of salt, but I think both use the same A/D converters and preamps.
@dionisiofelipefernandez5731 Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Thanks...
@StylesLee 4 ай бұрын
9:09 Your Master Volumes on both machines were Up & Down on each Take? You could've left both master volumes at +5 db so we can hear the real Volume comparison. The R24 would be more Louder & Dynamically Richer Sound if it was on +5 db 👉10:24 which btw was blurred out...?
@mr_floydst 4 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching! The master volume slider has no influence on the level of the actual recording. Only the preamps determine the loudness of the actual recording, and as I collected the WAV files from the SD cards, the master volume setting doesn't mean anything.
@paolocercato 8 ай бұрын
Well done, very useful 👏
@mr_floydst 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ulfbro3973 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I wouldn't say it's like having ear wax removed. There is a difference but that must lie in the mastering effects. I think they are both good.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I didn't use the mastering effects here, though...
@Risenprophets 5 ай бұрын
Can I just import a beat and record over it, I have an mpc one so I don’t need all those pads just looking for a portable recording device I can jam in my car with?
@mr_floydst 5 ай бұрын
Yes, you can do that on both devices. They need to be in WAV format. Drop them onto a USB stick or SD card and you can assign them to one of the tracks then.
@The-Eric-Cartman 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very disappointed in the R20, ended up returning it. Zoom literally removed all of the features that I relied on the most, and the R20 is completely unusable for the style of music I do while the R24 was manageable for it.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Totally understandable. I'm a bit puzzled why they removed all that good stuff.
@The-Eric-Cartman 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst I think the biggest loss for me was the inability to setup variable time signatures in the same song. The R24 was able to accommodate time signature changes, and I write mostly prog. I think they could at least add that in a firmware update if they were willing
@user-dq9xl6eg8y 11 ай бұрын
I have the R16, its good, but i think im gonna upgrade to the r20, because it looks simpler to use and has better sound.
@mr_floydst 11 ай бұрын
I think coming from the R16, this is an upgrade indeed.
@TutoFerraz Жыл бұрын
f... the R24 sounds much better! bigger headroom! and softer sounding mids! thanx 4 that
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Well, uh, I guess, everything is a matter of personal taste. :-) Unfortunately, the R24 was discontinued some weeks ago. Now we're left with the feature-stripped, slightly different sounding successor.
@JosephGallagher 27 күн бұрын
I think the R20's master track sounded "compressed", not more clear 🤔
@mr_floydst 27 күн бұрын
I'm just a nerd posting KZfaq videos, but I definitely did not apply compression algorithms to the recordings. I also suppose there's no "hidden compression" on the R20.
@jackcaptain87 Жыл бұрын
I just tested zoom r12 but when recording for example roland mc 307 it losing all that analog sound.
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Not sure what to answer ;-)
@bigalwhittle7065 6 ай бұрын
I own the zoom 24. The only thing I don't like about it is that ts not possible to record an acoustic guitar from one one input onto two or three trax simultaneously. So I end up using tascam dp24. Al though I like zooom and find it much more user friendly than the tascam. Is the R20 any better. Can you record from one input onto more than one track?
@mr_floydst 6 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching - there is no input routing on the R20. Track 1 is always track 1 and so on. You could of course just arm 2 or 3 tracks but I guess you want exactly the same track on all of them...
@bigalwhittle7065 6 ай бұрын
no......generally I pan and eq all the tracks differently. But the point is that I can play with the effects and plan my final sound before recording through that one input. Geenerally if I use the zoom I have to make a basic track, bounce it onto two other trax. Then I make what i can adding reverb, panning, eq etc.. Obviously it better to use as many trx as you like, sculpt your sound before playing a note. The tascam lets you do that, but oh what a complicated mess the tascam multi functional controls are! @@mr_floydst
@unclemick-synths 2 жыл бұрын
Good video! 👍 MIDI sync is a big omission 🙄. I'm still using my ancient Korg D1600 multitracker (I don't like the Audio Tracks on the MPC One so the D1600 handles that) but I keep my eyes open in case the Korg dies. I need to be able to sync both units.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yep, audio tracks on MPC One are a bit so-so. It's great they're there but it's not great they get cut off at the end of a pattern.
@unclemick-synths 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Yes, that is really annoying. Also things get very confusing if you copy a sequence that has audio tracks - I tried to do some experiments to figure it out but gave up. Mostly I use the sampler for audio tracks and chop them up so I can trigger them.
@gossamyr 2 жыл бұрын
Very thorough video, very appreciated! I don't know if I would have been as nice as you were(haha). If Zoom had just upgraded the DAC's/processor and made an R24 mkII I wouldn't wonder who is making the decisions over there. The L series was probably more inline with being the mk2, but again, it's just such a weird step into trying to be innovative instead of just improving a great product. I'll stay with my R8/R24 combo. The R8 is my walkabout recorder, the R24 the scratchpad and sometimes canvas. If I get something after this, it'd probably be the Studio24 from tascam.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Well yeah I'm not here to start a shitstorm. Some things about the R20 _are_ great, but some things really make me scratch my head. I really hope they will add MIDI sync in a future update, their customers have been calling for that for _years_ .The thing that really irks me is they didn't include a battery.
@gossamyr 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst the midi sync issue and the lack of the r8's footpedal were my only issues with the r24, easily upgraded IMO :)
@zeeceefourovksk2837 Жыл бұрын
I wish that they had design the R20 with individual channel out so that it can be use for Live performance especially better output level control for individual drum audio imported parts (example, like audio wav output from Superior Drummer).
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
That would be cool indeed.
@monkofwar 8 ай бұрын
I think the R20 sounds brighter and better
@mr_floydst 8 ай бұрын
That's my impression, too. (Some viewers objected to my methodology, though - you'll find those discussions here somewhere)
@vantasties 2 жыл бұрын
I just had the idea to use my R24 with cubasis 3 on the i pad. I wonder if that might work.... That would be really cool!
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
This should work fine. If you try it, please tell me if you can record 8 tracks at once over USB.
@renethomsen1271 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst I record 8 tracks from R24 to Reaper via usb daily here;)
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
@@renethomsen1271 Thanks for the info!
@ambientrecords Жыл бұрын
They ported some of the features to the L series recorder.
@chuckvicious 2 жыл бұрын
Have you looked at the tascam model 12? . It has midi clock sync. I was soooo mad because when they teased the r20 it said it had midi, but they just meant it was for the dumb synth track when it released. I literally had my zoom h8 for sale on reverb but canceled when I found out.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for your suggestion! I'll take a look. :-)
@TheTeekayes 2 жыл бұрын
These standalone multitrack units not having midi clock sync is a huge miss.
@ditchpiece Жыл бұрын
Very nice comparison Floyd. Yes it is hard to choose between those 2. I would like to use one of them as a backing track player for me and my friends and I would also like to use it as a DAW controller with my Mac, witch one would you guys suggest ? Best regards Christian
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
The R24 has more physical controls. So that's better for controlling your DAW.
@jnkmal9519 Жыл бұрын
OMG R24 wins. Why are we still talking?
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
I kind of agree, I wouldn't recommend buying the R20 over the R24 if it's the only piece of recording equipment you want to buy. They removed so many useful things (and I hope I made that point clear in my video). I decided to keep it because the R20 sounds better (to me) overall, and it matches nicely with my MPC One.
@ZeroBudgetDevelopments 7 ай бұрын
I've just secured a used r24 for £140 and a uad 2 satalite duo FireWire for 90 quid I went for it because I want to link 2 for 16 channel recording I was going to buy an emu 1616 for 130 but the r24 came up so I snapped it up I'll only use the hardwarre recorder in the field and because it runs on batteries it was a no brainer at 140 hopefully i can get another ome simmlar price i saw one for 70 quid the other day but it sold efoe. Could get to it
@PianoMan-hx3ev 8 ай бұрын
I love my r20, but I wish the buttons WEREN’T clicky. Why? Upon stopping a vocal segment, I have to delete the button click from every vocal track.
@mr_floydst 8 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for sharing your experience! Oh, ok. for some reason, that didn't happen to me so far, but my microphone is a little bit further away from the R20.
@PianoMan-hx3ev 8 ай бұрын
@@mr_floydst Ah:) It’s actually a great mixer. I’ve finally competed an album with it which is ready for mixdown.
@sirvidia 9 ай бұрын
is there any kind of crossfade on the R20 or R24 when looping? I'm trying to find a way to play effectively different length tape loops and be able to fade the individual loops in and out. I can do this with DAW + controller, but i'd like a computer less option. Struggling to find it right now.
@mr_floydst 9 ай бұрын
I'm afraid this isn't possible on the R machines (if I'm wrong, please correct me)
@KeltyVince 2 жыл бұрын
Will the R20's xlr inputs accept line level, or is it just the two combi inputs that would accept line level signals, I like how the R16 and R24 have 8 combi inputs, and now wondering if the R20 can handle 8 line level input signals, using quarter inch to xlr cables connected to the 6 inputs that are xlr only, or are those 6 xlr inputs mic level only?
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, you can use live level devices on all the inputs. It's just you need an adapter for most of them, as you already said.
@KeltyVince 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Great, thanks for your reply.
@KeltyVince 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Thanks for your reply, overall since you've used both the R24 and R20, what one would you chose if you could only buy one of them?
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
@@KeltyVince I've decided to keep the R20 despite its many downgrades. To me, it clearly sounds better (despite many of my viewers claiming the opposite ;-) ) and the touch screen makes editing *possible* (I know it's possible on the R24, too, but I never really edited on the R24 because of it's "mechanical" interface). But don't take my word for it. Best is to try both and see what's best for you. R24 also received some price cuts.
@KeltyVince 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst I haven't really got the option to try them both without ordering them both and sending one back, to much trouble for me, I'm not to fussy about editing in the recorder as I also use Reaper, so would just export the tracks to that for final edits etc, I wonder what AD converters are best in these machines, the R20 seems to sound better, but if both are used just for recording, do the individual tracks sound better when played back in the DAW, or is it the output of the R20 that's better than the R24, as in the DA is better in the R20, or both the AD and DA are better in the R20?, sorry if this is asking to much, but I'd rather have the R24 if it's exported tracks sounded just as good as the R20's exported tracks, the battery operation being one of the main reasons for preferring the R24.
@Claylikesnachos Жыл бұрын
There is definitely a noticeable difference in audio recording between the two. Question(s): What sample rate did you record each at? If you bumped up the sample rate on the R24 then would it sound more clear like the R20? Great video by the way!
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Both were set to 24bit 44.1khz.
@thephoenixchant Жыл бұрын
I notice that the R20 has the preamps set at a higher gain than the r24. I guess the R20 must be better if no external preamps are going to be used. It will give a cleaner sound, with less noise. To be used with certain mics, the r20 might be better. Is that so?
@r.williams8349 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very interesting. Is it the preamps that make the difference between the sound of each?
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
I can't answer with 100% certainty, but I think I read an interview some time ago in which ZOOM pointed out they were really satisfied with the improvements on the preamps. So yes, that's most likely the cause.
@Sanjmaghera 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Great video. I noticed you also have an MPC . Can that also do multitrack recording? If so, what do prefer about the zoom, vs plugging an interface into the MPC? I’m curious as I have an MPC but wanted to get an interface to increase the number of inputs/outputs so I could use it to record…but these zooms also look very interesting 🤔. Thanks for the great video!.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching. The last time I tried, the MPC could capture one stereo track at a time but I'll check again and come back to you :-) I think the ZOOM and the MPC are a good match. Overall, the ZOOM doesn't get in the way a lot. You turn it on, you record stuff, done. You can then transfer your tracks to the MPC or a DAW for further refinement.
@James-tt7vg 2 жыл бұрын
Will the r-20 usb-c still work with a regular older blue usb computor with no usb-c connections Thanks great video !
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
If you have an adapter cable, it will work without problems.
@user-rk2xj8gr3h 8 ай бұрын
That's the BEST ever done🎉
@mr_floydst 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@user-rk2xj8gr3h 8 ай бұрын
@@mr_floydst Sure Dude m awaiting your new sequences with that Part understundably. Because I got R24 newly too as a new one direct from Japan even with Codes of CUBASE LE and an original Bag of ZOOM)))
@mr_floydst 8 ай бұрын
@@user-rk2xj8gr3h Oh, I use the R20 for each and every video here on KZfaq, and of course for all the music I occasionally make and publish. The R20 is off screen most of the times, though, because hauling all those cables around is the opposite of fun...
@user-rk2xj8gr3h 8 ай бұрын
@@mr_floydst Hello. Seriously speaking, I had an idea to buy something like ZOOM and I was in our Berlin, the most famous and largest music store in Europe, JUSTMUSIC. So, R20 is currently sold there and I could immediately prepare it, but even the sellers themselves, as specialists in digital affairs, advised me to look for R24 first and only if it is not available, then as a worse alternative then buy R20, which has more white noise. That's it.
@shawn2571 10 ай бұрын
The R20 sounds clearer because of the 24 bit sampling most likely, but when you mix down to 16 bit for cd burning you'll probably lose most of that edge
@mr_floydst 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! 24bit audio allows for a higher dynamic range (the loudness / volume of the sound can be articulated more precisely). The frequency range and the overall distribution of frequencies isn't affected by bit depth - that would be sampling rate. Some viewers suggested my method of normalizing was faulty, but I think the easiest explanation is that the R20 has updated preamps which emphasize certain frequencies more than the R24 does.
@GestattenWinnetou Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison. Well, the LiveTrak L-12 / L-20 would be the better one, I think. 😉
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
I think those lack some of the features the R20 has, though...
@APMTenants 2 ай бұрын
Is the audio quality on the R20 truly exceptional, or is the audio on the older unit just trash? Because that is a night and day difference over my speakers. But I don’t want to buy an R20 just based on the low quality sound of the R24 if the Tascam DP sounds just as good.
@mr_floydst 2 ай бұрын
Well, I'm just a hobby producer and not a professional audio engineer, but to my ears, the R20 sounds notably better than the R24. Some of my viewers strongly disagree, but I had both machines side by side for a week or so and the R20 always sounded better, more dynamic and clear. The R24 was pretty good, I had both Boss BR-80 and Tascam DP-006 which were clearly inferior to the R24.
@APMTenants 2 ай бұрын
@@mr_floydst if someone can’t hear the difference, they must not be using decent speakers. I’m coming from an Akai DPS 16 that is breaking down, and I’m frustrated by the lack of s/pdif on all of the new machines and most of the audio interfaces out now. Not to mention 5 pin MIDI
@sailorsboyproductions 2 жыл бұрын
The thing I cannot seem to find and answer to is this: I know the R24 allows you to use it as a control surface when hooked up to a computer via USB. I do a lot of mixing in Premiere Pro and I have been looking for a control surface that also works as a mixer and Audio interface because doing it one track at a time with my mouse is ridiculously time consuming, so the R24 surface controller sounds amazing, but I was wondering if you can use the R20 for that as well--I would do that just for the better audio quality, but I can't find any info on whether or not it even does it.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching! The R20 has the "DAW control" option, too. You can switch it on and off on the touch screen in the options menu.
@misanageorgechriss9764 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for the education you have given me, my question, i have zoom r24 I connect to my laptop is acceptable, after a while it strikes but if I connect it to another laptop with the same cable it accepts whats the problems?
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. I'm afraid I can't diagnose the problem from afar - the first thing I'd try is to exchange the USB cable. Also, check for error messages on your computer: www.alphr.com/windows-10-error-log-how-to-access-error-logs/
@twiglet2214 2 жыл бұрын
Tough call but ease of use plus better sound quality means the R20 is most probably going to be my next treat for my studio ( glorified but well loved shed ) and your advice has helped me keep on track,thanks. What would you advise for a newbie musician for synths and keyboards - 24 or 20 ? Thanks for a great review.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
I decided to keep the R20 due to it's superior audio quality and better sequencer. The final mixes of my hobbyist music sound better than on R24 even though there are no mastering presets available. If you don't need the features I talked about in the first half of this video, the R20 it is.
@twiglet2214 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Ok thanks Floyd that's very helpful - i'm also looking at the Tascam DP24SD so i'm not there yet but that was interesting to hear so thanks Floyd.
@CoriMusic97 Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to use fade in/fade out automation in the r20?
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching - no, there's no way to do that.
@seekersarelovers7412 2 жыл бұрын
I'm searching for a device for backingtracks in live situations. Just need 4 Stereo tracks which should be easily to handle live. I don't need it to record instruments, only for playbacks. I had the R8 and this had a Setlist mode which was useful but I didn't liked the menu and how to handle. I heard the r20 hasn't a Setlist mode but what if I just load all songs successively? Is it possible to set tempo changes in between and is it possible that a songs stops so I just press start for the next song?
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching! I don't think the R20 will do that the way you intend. I think you should take a look at MPC One.
@FabioBarnaba 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video! I have a question: R24 has the genius feature that you can use the metronome track only on phones output, and it can be any audio track you have on SDcard (metronome with your voice or any other sound for example); does the R20 have the same function? On R20, can I play a backing track wav on main out L+R and simultaneously other audio track as a metronome on the separated phones output? Thanks so much
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! While the metronome can still be routed to the Headphones only if needed, you can't choose your own sound anymore.
@FabioBarnaba 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Thank you for your answer!
@matthiasdoffek3282 Жыл бұрын
The really big Problem imo is, that it has no Standard GM Sounds, Velocity / Expression Pedal can't be use, and no sync to other devices is possible. Further more only one FX, no tempochange in the same Song and terrible time streching. I hope the next stand alone Unit is like Garage Band with tempochange and better drums for Rock/Hardrock and Popmusic...really!
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
You're right, compared to what the R series could do previously, this is one big letdown. The only reason I kept it because in combination with my MPC one, it doesn't matter a lot. As a standalone, I would never have exchanged this. Funny thing is, as one viewer pointed out, the DSP chip inside the R20 comes with a full GM sound set, yet Zoom decided to only use 20 of them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@matthiasdoffek3282 Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst In my opinion it is no Problem to solve it with a Firmware update
@stefanie_m466 2 жыл бұрын
you must have superhuman timing if you record the tracks separately without midi timing. well good for analog guitar and voice, can you imagine, hitting the play on time and each and every time sliding the tracks to the almost maybe good start position? when I hit play on such a device, then it must start and play the midi master clock to every device that plays. only that way you can build up music.
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
For my part, you're running into open doors with your assessment. :-) It's really strange they didn't include MIDI sync now they even have a MIDI port.
@JacksonAxe 2 жыл бұрын
I've had the R16 for almost 10 years with zero issues and thousands of hours of use. Problem? It doesn't have cut and paste editing. Does the R24 have C/P? I'm not getting into DAW's, so the R20 was looking tempting. It clearly sounds great. Is it possible the R24 has lost audio quality from hours of use? Is that even possible with digital recording?
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! No, the R24 is just like the R16, but with 8 more tracks and a drum computer added. The R20 does have copy&paste. Well, degrading solder joints might influence sound quality, but it's highly unlikely (you had to put physical stress on the audio plugs to degrade the joints).
@MoraFermi 2 жыл бұрын
Unless there's some bad capacitors inside the unit, there's nothing that could degrade the sound this way in a modern digital audio device. The only other option I can think of is change in preamp stage design, the old unit might have had a lower threshold frequency in the filter.
@strangesevin 2 жыл бұрын
I want to plug all my instruments into these devices so I can get more inputs for live performances throught my harbinger pa system is it possible to do that ? Trying to use it as a mixer as well for my live performances
@JHGurganus 2 жыл бұрын
@@strangesevin a friend of mine just bought a used r24 to record a 4 hour event. He ran two mics and two guitars into the r24 and then we ran a balanced line out into my Yamaha mg10xu. We panned the mg10xu to one stereo channel and used that for the master and monitor volume. Basically the monitor volume was the important part of that setup to be able to control that or I'm assuming we could have went without the mixer. Hope that helps your question.
@chrisw5742 Жыл бұрын
gain knobs and faders can go after a while in turn degrading your input sound quality.
@Chancellor_Artist Жыл бұрын
What about the Tascam Models vs Zoom
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for watching! I'd love to do a comparison, but I don't have the money to buy things just to show them in a video. And Tascam doesn't seem to be the company that throws hardware at smaller KZfaq channels. So all I can say is people who worked with the "high end" Tascam multitrack recorders are praising them for being reliable and powerful enough for live recording and mixing. When I read their description online I was stumped by the "you can have n stereo tracks and m mono tracks in your project" description, which seemed a bit odd to me. I'd like to know what that means, but on ZOOM devices, you can setup your tracks in any way you like. Perhaps one of my viewers can chime in here?
@abbot2 2 жыл бұрын
If portability is not the primary constraint, what are your thoughts on either of these two vs MPC One + multichannel audio interface for live recording/basic daw needs?
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
Well, why not both, haha ;-) (I own both, and working on MPC with this as an external interface is quite nice). That being said, MPC One basically is a DAW in a box (and it's certainly not the worst DAW out there). The only thing I find slightly annoying on MPC is the fact that audio track will get cut off at the end of a pattern, so if you recorded a phrase and loop the pattern there will be a hard cut at the end. I hope this get fixed one day. The ZOOM machines can be viewed as pure, no-nonsense multitrack recorders. You switch them on, you arm the tracks, you press record, and off you go. It's all really straightforward. And if you want to, you can do a bit of editing after recording. So if you want to do sophisticated editing, MPC, but if you really want to get recording quickly, ZOOM.
@macman70BossGT Жыл бұрын
Very nice Video. If you import a midi file that has tempo changes, will those tempo changes get imported to the R20? Thanks
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
Hi, I've just tested this - and no, that does not work, unfortunately.
@macman70BossGT Жыл бұрын
@@mr_floydst Thanks for checking, not a deal breaker. I have ordered an R20 as I am intrigued by it.
@hh-ob5bo 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video floyd...... Sooo zoom is probably waiting a bit to release an updated 24
@mr_floydst 2 жыл бұрын
That's not unlikely. (Though their social media team didn't know anything about that ;-) )
@silkroadcaravan Жыл бұрын
it seems like the r24 has good usability as a control surface for a computer DAW. does anyone have thoughts about the r20 in that regard?
@mr_floydst Жыл бұрын
There are drivers for that, but as the R24 has more hardware controls, it's better.
@tommidd8042 7 ай бұрын
The R24 is by far a nicer more versatile unit. 19 years in production. Typical of Japanese to discontinue something good. We tried the R20. It was returned for a refund.
@mr_floydst 7 ай бұрын
I'm not disagreeing with you. I wonder why they stripped one of their most popular products of all these features. The R20 is a good standalone recorder viewed for what it is, but it could have been so much better.
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