Flying the world's first certified ELECTRIC PLANE - This is the Pipistrel Velis Electro
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Күн бұрынPipistrel managed to receive EASA-Certification for their Velis Electro. The all electrically powered aircraft is the first of its kind to be certified and can now be used for flight training and other commercial operation.
Electric planes have the potential to revolutionize general aviation for various reasons: It can raise the public acceptance for general aviation (especially here in Europe) because of the significantly lower noise emissions and will one day make flying a lot cheaper compared to normal combustion engines. The Velis turned out to perform very well and might be the perfect trainer aircraft for daily flight school operations...
A big "THANK YOU" to Marc Corpataux for inviting me to fly his new Pipistrel Velis Electro. Find out more about his company here:
www.alpinairplanes.ch/
All details about the Velis Electro can also be found on Pipistrel's homepage:
www.pipistrel-aircraft.com/ai...
This aircraft will be taken on a world record electric flight from Switzerland to Northern Germany. More information is available here:
elektro-weltrekordflug.eu/
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Content of this video:
Introduction to this video: (00:00)
First look at the Velis Electro: (01:15)
Talking to the founder of AlpinAirplanes: (02:04)
Preflight: (06:34)
Flying the Velis Electro: (7:59)
My impressions and your opinion: (22:16)
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@michaelmckellar7620 3 жыл бұрын
This is the time! We've had enough time to perfect the efficiency of the internal combustion engine and have hit the wall for efficiency at the expense of more and more complicated computer controls. The simplicity of electric propulsion is worth the efforts of more and more efficient batteries. The revolution is just beginning and I welcome it.
@optimusprimezombie1782 2 жыл бұрын
Biofuels is the future of aviation. As much as batteries evolve, even graphene batteries remain very heavy and we know that weight is one of the most important things in an aircraft
@massemiable 2 жыл бұрын
@@optimusprimezombie1782 You seem to make the assumption that biofuels will have the same energy density pr kg of mass as Jet Engines. But Biodiesel has a lower energy density than jetfuel, petrol and normal Petrodiesel. Also, biodiesel is usually used with a Petrodiesel blend of 20% biodiesel and 80% Petrodiesel. So it's still problematic considering the environment. Electric airplanes and power density in battery cells has a lot of improvements still available to them, and I think that electric airplanes is indeed the future.. if not, it will be hydrogen planes. In my opinion.
@herbertshallcross9775 2 жыл бұрын
We have been developing the electric motor and battery technology for longer than the internal combustion engine. This is not new frontier technology. Absent breakthroughs that we do not even see in the lab, what we have today is very much what we will have twenty years from now.
@herbertshallcross9775 2 жыл бұрын
@@massemiable That would not be so hard to achieve. Jet fuel is ,just kerosene with a few additives like de-icers.
@corelockout6293 3 жыл бұрын
Video starts: social distancing conversation. Next scene: sitting shoulder to shoulder in a tiny airplane. Love the video, thanks for showing us this beautiful plane!
@a.jackman4044 3 жыл бұрын
They even shake hands on final haha
@jaybee3165 3 жыл бұрын
yah, he died of covid... or was it the 5000 cases of donuts? or did we fail to mention he was also decapitated in a car crash? oops.
@jaybee3165 3 жыл бұрын
yah, he died of covid... or was it the 5000 cases of donuts? or did we fail to mention he was also decapitated in a car crash? oops.
@dylans9549 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaybee3165 check out excess death statistics.
@corporalclegg914 3 жыл бұрын
Marc was very generous to showcase his Pipistrel for your channel & right seat with you. this is the first look that many of us got of this plane & it is very interesting. I’d love to fly one soon & experience what E Aviation offers.
@bsfoxo3329 3 жыл бұрын
Hvala PIPISTREL za pomembno vlogo v slovenskem gospodarstvu.❤️
@jeffjordan3806 3 жыл бұрын
It's finally here. I've waited a long time for this. Awesome video! Thanks.
@zsoltpapp3363 3 жыл бұрын
Electric motors will be ideal for motorgliders and training planes.
@fournierdon2172 3 жыл бұрын
Although entirely logical it is quite surprising to see the propeller stop while waiting for passing ground traffic to clear.
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Yep I found that weird too in the beginning 😉
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
I‘ve heard it‘s about 175‘000 € but I‘m not sure about that... You might have to contact Pipistrel for that...
@Amuzic_Earth 3 жыл бұрын
car, plane ...there is no unnecessary and wasteful "Idling" with electric powertrain.
@rynovlad3112 3 жыл бұрын
@@ASWISSPILOT that's a very good price, I was expecting more! Do you know what's the maximum distance you can fly it? Could you do a flight between two cities that are 150 km apart with this plane? Thanks!
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
@@rynovlad3112 Thx for your comment! I think it would theoretically be possible, but you would arrive with less than the remaining legal minimum reserve... For now it‘s more a training aircraft for local flights in the vicinity of the airport ;)
@vuksanovic77 3 жыл бұрын
Great work with this video. I have experience flying Pipistrel-Sinus, Virus and Alpha trainer. There are such a great planes. Electrifying Pipistrel planes is a step forward. The proof that validates Pipistrel idea is the certificate. So its a big step for aviation. Great introduction in this video. 🤘👏😎
@nikmotionmix 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video footage on this electric plane! Your channel deserves much more subscribers!
@hachipanki8634 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, not yet 1k? Underrated!
@TheFlyingDutchgirl 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I fly Pipistrel too. There is a Velis comming to the Netherlands next month.
@FlyingMike 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and a very honest representation of the aircraft. I have shared this video on our social media platforms. Congratulations again on a great review
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliments! :)
@geraldg9226 3 жыл бұрын
Really great plane . Maybe have state of the art solar cells on wings as they are getting better. Quite a pioneering vision you have. Good luck.
@jamesengland7461 3 жыл бұрын
It's a limited beginning, but it's a beginning. Remember the Wright Brothers' first flights? This would be good not only for training, but a quick weekend hop any time you want, without all the fuel and engine preflights and maintenance and expenses. It has limited use, perfect for a limited market.
@jamesengland7461 3 жыл бұрын
@Robert Slackware I wasn't implying skipping preflight; just noting that there's less to check and less to go wrong. A thorough check would be simpler
@johnsherman7289 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine a chain of airport restaurants that offer free charging
@diegosuarez4451 3 жыл бұрын
historic flight!! you just made history man.. great!! congrats!! rgds from Ecuador
@cowetareserve 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I found your channel, keep up the good work man!
@joseluisa.4294 3 жыл бұрын
My friend, I congratulate you on doing this work, making known the aeronautical technology of the future, for us pilots with the old-fashioned veneer, where we learned to slap. I would like this material to reach all corners of the world so that this certified prototype can be quickly developed for improvements for flight hours as a weight load. A hug from venezuela, josé antequera.
@MarkRyanAB 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful plane, beautiful country!
@ZeBurck 3 жыл бұрын
Magnifique Lac de Gruyères. Thanks Guys !
@GEOsustainable Жыл бұрын
This is an awesome new channel. I would be very pleased to learned everything there is about electric airplanes. That this pane is certified is HUGE.
@ThomasSmartt 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool video! Thanks for sharing!
@davidvanniekerk356 3 жыл бұрын
Dankie/ Merci A Swiss Pilot 4 this video. Nice!!
@Pilot_Alex Жыл бұрын
Ein schon etwas älteres Video aber super interessant. Danke dafür toll gemacht 👍👍👍
@nicolewirsching8601 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@richardstock1 3 жыл бұрын
Lots of wing area to incorporate high power solar cells to help with recovery of power or at least assist with powering the onboard systems to increase flight time. Not to mention lots of wing volume for additional or emergancy battery packs to be installed..
@WatDaMattaForYou 3 жыл бұрын
Electric planes are the future. Hardly any moving parts, just the motor and 2 batteries (One for flying and the other for backup to get you on the ground) and real quiet. Take it up 10,000 feet and let off the pedal and you can fly like a glider, put your foot on the pedal, and the motor spins up again....no restarting a gas engine. Now to make the batteries better.....
@peterlastrucci324 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and nice to see electric innovation in GA
@saarike 3 жыл бұрын
Simply great! Thank you.
@andrewvaldez6658 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful plane too!
@birdnv4547 3 жыл бұрын
Good Vid - Thank You for making - Want One
@paulrobinson5258 3 жыл бұрын
So the question that everyone isnt asking, when will it appear in MSFS2020! It's the only chance I'll get to fly one...
@VirtualDarKness 3 жыл бұрын
Came here to ask the same question 😅
@POTThaesslich 3 жыл бұрын
the question we all should ask why the only Pipistrel aircraft is only available in the Premium version.
@marcdraco2189 3 жыл бұрын
Technically, all the planes in FS2020 are electric. (I'll get me coat.)
@tivrobobo 3 жыл бұрын
Since I can’t afford both the plane nor MSFS, I’m still will wait for plane to appear in MSFS. So I will get MY chance to fly this thing by reading comment section below MSFS streams...
@safe-keeper1042 3 жыл бұрын
@@marcdraco2189 Heh, good point.
@frankcloskey7789 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Flying in and electric plane nice and quiet, and a perfect landing.4/28/2021
@garrygballard8914 3 жыл бұрын
It’s cool, a great Mark to start from for future design development.
@adamw.8579 3 жыл бұрын
Seems as good offer for flight training only, TO - pattern - land - charge... repeat all day. For that short range aircraft there is no other sectors to use. Limited pattern holding capacity - only small (private ) airports.
@stopscammingman 2 жыл бұрын
This is mad cool!
@belltopcone 3 жыл бұрын
wonderful vid, welcome to the future, at last clean and environmentally friendly air travel.
@johnsherman7289 3 жыл бұрын
Low pollution, neighbor-friendly.
@davekermode3404 3 жыл бұрын
Well done pilot report. I agree that this airplane is a good fit for the training market. The limitation in battery “power” is an advantage in this market as it makes the student be also aware of available power. Also there is plenty of research showing that learning is best achieved by shorter episodes of performing tasks with reflection and debriefing immediately afterwards. The roughly I hour of battery life seems perfect. 40 minutes of flying with a 20 min reserve.
@bikerslow2598 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why there is not more views or comment on this. Well done this is the future!
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@coflyer2949 3 жыл бұрын
We're a long way from these replacing 172s even, but yes eventually this will be the future. I will definitely not be a first adopter though, it's a new technology after all.
@ShadowsDML 3 жыл бұрын
My bet is that the future in aviation is actually hydrogen fuel cells
@coflyer2949 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShadowsDML please do not forget about the hindenberg.
@stephenphilp1380 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@evaluateanalysis7974 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing! This is a practical electric aircraft. Designed for training of course. As we've seen with electric cars, the hardest bit is to get them to market, after that people can see that it works and it is easier to get investment and improve the technology. Its quietness could make learning to fly cheaper too, because neighbours aren't very likely to complain about the noise it might get permission to fly from cheaper places.
@capt.robertodegioannis9954 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, i like electric so much. Very interesting video and beautiful experience. Congratulation ! 👍(I'm italian, have been a Swiss pilot in Lszl since 1986 until 1991, "EASA" now.) 👋
@ezmode5439 3 жыл бұрын
The future is looking bright for aviation.
@bobsyeruncle4841 3 жыл бұрын
beautiful plane
@llorenci.3342 3 жыл бұрын
Immediate future of skydiving (Pilatus and twin Otters): a plane that recovers energy on the nosedive after dropping the guys and fastcharges on induction at the bottom in 5min and 20min every 1,5 hoursa
@pete5668 3 жыл бұрын
they could add a siren like a Stuka for a fun effect. :D
@rogerlafrance6355 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, someone should do the math,
@mil-fpv4931 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. The future of skydiving is drones. No need for big plane or pilot.
@williambrennan7794 3 жыл бұрын
@@mil-fpv4931 hard to do big ways without big planes
@mil-fpv4931 3 жыл бұрын
@@williambrennan7794 True. 95% of the skydives are 1 to 5 ways though.
@MrAluntus 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool.
@acanuck1679 29 күн бұрын
I just noticed this review today (1st of July 2024). Pips are amazing aircraft, but I'm still skeptical WRT the current state of battery technology. In my view, the energy density of the batteries needs to double before the Velis (or its successor) could be considered viable as a training aircraft (and triple the current energy density for cross-country trips). Thank you for taking us all for a ride.
@jdavison8551 3 жыл бұрын
Beautifully made video with very interesting and thoughtful content. Surely range will expand to a more useful 2hrs plus endurance as improvements in battery technology takes place driven by the car industry, with this aircraft leading the way. Many thanks for the great content.
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliments!
@gregandkaruna6674 3 жыл бұрын
Well Tesla is having its battery day today (my time) and hopefully a big breakthrough in battery tech coming soon
@stevealexander6397 3 жыл бұрын
Lose the annoying music. I'd like to hear the cockpit noise and conversation,
@vxlicit 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@MW_1535 3 жыл бұрын
I'd add more music in response to replies like this. How about asking nicely or making a suggestion rather than barking orders at someone who is making content for YOU for FREE?
@bluemamba5317 3 жыл бұрын
@@MW_1535 "Lose the annoying music" litterly a suggestion and many people seems to aggre, including me.
@petezzzz 3 жыл бұрын
Loose the crap music. Or a least play something cool like Slayer.
@AphexTwinII 3 жыл бұрын
@@MW_1535 how about no
@DougJessee 3 жыл бұрын
I think it is a step along the progress towards complete electrification.
@thelovertunisia 3 жыл бұрын
Switzerland is an ideal glider country because of the mixture of mountains and flat terrain which creates updrafts but also turbulence. Here in the north of Tunisia we have some good spots for gliders too but in the south the desert is not that good I guess because of rare updrafts I guess.
@royd7984 3 жыл бұрын
Have they Tried using hybrid car technology in experimental aircraft like this to fly much longer? Thanks
@almosh3271 3 жыл бұрын
Your ability to speak english is amazing!!!!! The plane looked great but to me it looked like it's over built and heavy material were used. I have flown full scale airplanes, but these day I fly only radio controlled planes as a hobby. As we all know the biggest airplane's enemy and challenge is weight. I am sure that a lot of composite materials were used to build this plane, but from my first glance I thought to myself that this plane looks heavy. Please keep up the good work and I hope that you'll have an update about this plane and similar planes soon. Keep up the good work :)
@somsoc_ 3 жыл бұрын
Exciting glimpse of the future. It's either electric planes or no planes at all, and I'm sure most of us would prefer the former.
@FaluFluff 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, subscribing now =) Thanks!
@modelsport2858 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice coverage of the topic, thank you. I've given the thumbs up. Regarding video production, I too wish the music were absent because I want to hear the aircraft noises and conversation - personal preference as I'm sure others like the music. As I produce videos regarding model aircraft, I have an idea of the effort and have best hopes for your commercial success. In the world of RC models, I built my first electric propulsion version in 1985, and still have it. These days, easily 80% of my fleet of models are electric but I remember how everybody was negative about the future. These days, with 1:1 aircraft, I hear the negative voices but ignore them (as I did with models) because the future is coming and we will find a way. I only hope I am not too old when it arrives! As of now, the mission of this aircraft does not meet my requirements but I suspect it will not be too much longer before it does - two hours duration, two people, 50Kg of cargo, 6-8hr recharge time. I am excited for the future. Thank you once again!
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliments!! 😉
@modelsport2858 3 жыл бұрын
@Robert Slackware Times have progressed and the same will happen with full-scale as the young man from Switzerland has documented wonderfully.
@jh9855 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. My goal is to fly and own an electric airplane. I found the stall with the stick shaker quite interesting. I wish you did more stalls such as a stall in a turn while climbing. Or, a stall in a turn simulating a stall turning base to final. Does the airplane slip? What are the spin characteristics? The 1.5 to 2.0 hours useful battery to power the airplane is not bad for a trainer airplane. A Pitts S2A can be flown for 2.0 hours before you run out of fuel. There was a quick mention of a possible regeneration of electricity which would provide a better utility for this airplane. Thank you for this video.
@flightvision 3 жыл бұрын
The "first certified" is a gross overstatement. Electric self-launchers are around for 15 years now. "Of its kind" is a marketing term that can be used to make everything unique.
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment. I don't think it's a gross overstatement. Meeting the Certification Standards of one of the major aviation regulators (EASA CS-VLA in this case) is a whole different story than just putting in an electric motor into a glider and making sure it can take-off by its own. EASA GA-Boss Dominique Roland himself called the project a "double milestone" and a "groundbreaking project". Remember, this is the first aircraft that will allow for commercial flight school use to train pilots for their PPL, CPL or ATPL licenses. Hasn't been possible with any other aircraft yet.
@MoiraOBrien 3 жыл бұрын
Sweet!
@gtschmid 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Would be great to see electric aircraft get better and better
@lowend5566 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any reason for not having solar panels built into the wings. Perhaps too a low charge?
@florret2003 3 жыл бұрын
How is the operation of this aircraft in cold weather conditions where the efficiency of the batteries drop off?
@andreiscurei 3 жыл бұрын
Coming from a flying club where we leave 45 minutes to an hour of reserve fuel, having a range of 50 minutes gives me anxiety.
@MrPaige222 3 жыл бұрын
Andrei Scurei Obviously just good as a trainer for 40 minute flights at this point. Keep well within range of the airport.
@PilotSavvy 3 жыл бұрын
Here in San Diego, CA that's a concern as well with only 1 none tower airport remaining in the area but this aircraft is a step in the right direction and will be first in line when electric power source technology is allowed to advance forward.
@corporalclegg914 3 жыл бұрын
it’s range is definitely concerning, but these are growing pains in E-Tech. Range was always the issue of the initial EVs, then it increased & charging infrastructure expanded. we’ll see how they adapt, but I agree that E Aviation is easily 10 years behind EVs
@user-og3fb6ui2e 3 жыл бұрын
yes it is still useless, especially taking into account the whole cycle of spare batteries, charging power limits, battery fast losing capacity in several months etc.... looking for technologies leap forward
@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus 3 жыл бұрын
Pipistrel quotes endurance as 50 minutes + VFR reserves, so theoretically landing after 50 minutes should leave you with 30 minutes flying time. Having flown RC for many (40 ish) years the last dozen or so with lithium batteries, the thing that scares me is a battery fire. When those things go up it is ENERGETIC! If the battery went up I'm guessing you would have less than 30 seconds to get out. Jumping out from 1,000 feet might start looking like a good alternative to being roasted in a chemical fire. Time will tell.
@Jjoseph36 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it possible to equip RATs (Ram Air Turbine) to generate some useful power while in flight like to charge the battery to extend flight time, or maybe to power the equipment so that the battery power solely focuses on the motor
@donwhyte9855 6 ай бұрын
Judicious use of a RAT could recover some energy back into the battery if used appropriately such as to help lower aircraft speed when required. Similar to regenerative braking in EV's. Continuous deployment would use more energy to maintain forward speed than would be recovered due to inefficiency of the RAT's generator Much like someone said to me electric cars could increase range by using an alternator to charge the battery as you drive. Nice idea but doesn't account for the inefficiency of the alternator.
@christopherhadsell9049 3 жыл бұрын
I feel the future is bright for electric planes. I do hope more advances in batteries come along, and I hope rather quickly. Like the video, and thanks for posting!
@skulk99fox 3 жыл бұрын
How long does it take to recharge the battery?
@cpy 3 жыл бұрын
"Single bolt secures stabilizer" * sweating intensifies *
@hdaman100 3 жыл бұрын
*Makes amused rotary pilot noises*
@2507gs 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know how many planes are like that? LOTS. Thats why I always check that on every single preflight.
@robertweekley5926 3 жыл бұрын
capybaras - Please Note: the Horizontal Stabilizer is providing a Countering Downforce in Flight, and, it seems the note of a Single Bolt, does not clarify if there is any basic mechanical interface than provides the Primary Attachment, and if the "Bolt" is just a Secondary Security Device. Many Gliders from Pipistrel use these "T-Tail" arrangements, and have, Safely, for years, so I suspect they have got it "Figured Out" safety wise!
@cpy 3 жыл бұрын
@@2507gs clearly I don't, what are some examples?
@cpy 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertweekley5926 so, single bolt....but not single?
@Amuzic_Earth 3 жыл бұрын
So Electric instant performance performs even with flight take off....I always wanted to know this. Thank you.
@logicturtle9838 3 жыл бұрын
I think an electric sailplane makes sense but it doesn't work for an airplane meant to travel because flight time is limited by battery weight. 50 minutes probably won't even be enough for flight training because of the cross country requirements which a student needs to fulfill. Lithium batteries have 1/10 the practical energy density of gasoline (roughly speaking, after taking the higher efficiency of an electric motor into account), so you won't get a battery that lasts longer than an hour into an airplane and still have useful load for the occupants. An efficient modern light sport aircraft will hold about 30 gallons (113L, 189lbs, 86kg) of fuel, burn ~4.5 gallons per hour for flight times in the 6 hour range. To do the same with an electric power plant, the battery would have to weigh nearly a ton (860kg).
@stevenpam 3 жыл бұрын
You could take students to solo stage with no marginal running costs. Sounds good to me! It's early days - like he said, electric aircraft development is about 10 years behind cars, where the range problem has been solved now to some degree.
@logicturtle9838 3 жыл бұрын
@@stevenpam I respectfully disagree. Although I'm not a flight instructor, I do know that a large percentage of flight instruction crashes occur while transitioning into a new aircraft (and these kinds of flights involve an instructor and a student who already has a pilot certificate). From AOPA's 2014 safety report on accidents during flight instruction: "The greatest number of accidents overall occurred during transitions to unfamiliar aircraft, which also resulted in the second-largest number of fatalities." An instructor would never want to load a student pilot with such a transition just before her first solo. As far as the range problem in cars, the real innovation was more about battery manufacturing supply lines, and recharging infrastructure than it was about engineering the vehicle itself. It was always possible to load 1000 pounds of batteries into a car. The problem with lithium batteries in aviation is that batteries won't weigh any less 10 years from now than they do today, and the electric motors are already more than 90% efficient. I'm going to guess and say it's likely possible to produce an electric airplane with 3 hours of range, but it's going to have a 30m wing span, cruise at about 50 knots, and require a whole team of people to launch its cumbersome air frame down the runway.
@stevenpam 3 жыл бұрын
Kevin Ellis Good points
@leonarddaneman810 3 жыл бұрын
Also, as pounds of fuel are burned, your plane is lighter . . . so, efficiency increases while the electric plane weighs the same takeoff and landing.
@llorenci.3342 3 жыл бұрын
There is lots of weigh to save with the new electric motors: Lucid having the lightest motors. An 350HP Tesla electric motor weights half of a Rotax 100HP. We imagine a 100HP electric motor could be much lighter. Some more saving will come with battery technology. Maybe they don't need 118 liters either (1100kms). If you can go 200kms with 22kw, you should be able to triple the distance with 80kw, more than enough for most individual pilots, and recharge in less than one hour at any airstrip equipped with superchargers. Teslas actual energy density is 250wh/kg, pushing to +300Wh/kg. That would give us an 80kw battery with a weight of 270kgs, with a 25kgs +100HP electric motor, the difference with a fully loaded 118l/rotax100HP would be around +130kgs
@fredflintstoner596 3 жыл бұрын
what were the skie's like when you were young ?
@james94582 3 жыл бұрын
Have been following E-flight for a while... And think it's awesome... Definitely think some form of regen would be good for extending the length of flying time...
@johnsherman7289 3 жыл бұрын
Regen implies giving up some energy, velocity in a car, altitude in a plane
@huckleberry8079 2 жыл бұрын
Regen in a plane is incredibly worthless as any loss in power equates to loss in altitude.
@Tabfren 3 жыл бұрын
Pipistrel Electro I need you to hold in the pattern, "negative tower, i didn't bring any backup duracells with me"
@redsquirrelftw 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just picturing a little compartment in the instrument cluster where you pull a cover and stick 8 D cell batteries. "alright we're running on reserve now, we have about 5 minutes of extra flight time".
@bernardvelkaverh7824 3 жыл бұрын
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@alexs3187 3 жыл бұрын
8 D Cells? You’ve just killed your range with that extra weight!
@Geoffr524 3 жыл бұрын
Well you could use Lithium D-cells, for powering the avionics. They would be lighter than Alkaline batteries. Would be nice to be able to plug in an emergency battery pack, for your controls, and instruments.
@wadesworld6250 3 жыл бұрын
"In that case, fly by the tower and we'll toss a LONG extension cord to you."
@natehill8069 3 жыл бұрын
I always do my preflight counterclockwise as viewed from above. He's not in Australia, is he?
@Just_a_Proud_Dad 3 жыл бұрын
Very exciting to see the advances being made. It did look like the dash was a bit high. I noticed you craning your neck several times to see over it. I’d think without a big engine forward that they could give a much better forward view. Still exciting though.
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Yep the airframe has been adopted from the Pipistrel Virus which has a Rotax engine. I‘m a rather short guy and there is no way to adjust the seats, only the pedals (Like in a Diamond). I could have used a cushion or so though...
@TENpilot Жыл бұрын
Sooner or later, like it or not, electric is the future!!
@SkateProgressif 3 жыл бұрын
Did the stick viber when landing? Isn't this a bit annoying? Great video, thank you, I am very enthousiastic that electric airplanes become the new standard :)
@reelreflections1 3 жыл бұрын
It was really enjoyable to see the future I've been predicting for well over a decade. Now to somehow fit about 5kg of hdrigem and the necessary fuel cells to enabke that plane to fly to Spain. 😀
@esau82 3 жыл бұрын
Safety is also a reason why these small airplanes should all be electric. An electric motor has a couple moving parts where an ICE has thousands. An electric airplane will be sooo safe!
@1shARyn3 3 жыл бұрын
What is the expected recharge time after a 0:50 sortie? (long recharge times could be detrimental to a training atmosphere)
@gregandkaruna6674 3 жыл бұрын
They can be replaced with a new fresh set of batteries while the empty set can be charged for a full day just have several sets
@ryann6919 3 жыл бұрын
Flight time too short, but i expect this will get better with new battery tech. Just watched Tesla Battery Day yesterday. Exciting time.
@altergreenhorn 3 жыл бұрын
1 h flight + 30 min reserve for training enought
@whatta7793 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I think in about 5-8 more years this plane could achieve around 4 hours of flight time, maybe a little more.
@marcdraco2189 3 жыл бұрын
@@whatta7793 Hard to tell, but for a real solution (commercial aviation) we're a lot further than that. The chemistry/physics are fairly complex but the thing is that lb for lb (kg/kg) aviation fuel is orders of magnitude better in terms of fuel efficiency.
@whatta7793 3 жыл бұрын
@@marcdraco2189 oh yeah there's no arguing that. Fuel will more than likely ALWAYS have more energy density than batteries EVER will. Moving to batteries and electric motors is all about long term savings, a little more reliability than combustion engines, and, 'saving the environment'.
@marcdraco2189 3 жыл бұрын
@@whatta7793 Makes sense to me! But for commercial aviation as a species we need to get our shit together and fast before the industry collapses.
@mikeholt7881 3 жыл бұрын
Needs added span for lower wing-loading- would drastically extended range...
@hernanposnansky7154 3 жыл бұрын
Span-loading, Mike Range is proportional to span(as you say) and inversely proportional to battery charge . Wing chord is secondary, reduced chord helps reduce parasite drag.
@Muonium1 3 жыл бұрын
How does this setup deal with cold temperatures?? Cold temperatures can cut an electric vehicle's range(available energy capacity) in half. Wouldn't a plane like this have similar problems plus the issue of air at higher altitude being much colder?
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Good question... I don't know why airplane batteries would behave any different from other electrically powered vehicles. Maybe you can "preheat" the cabin or the battery enclosures prior to the flight while still connected to the charger for better endurance, but I didn't talk about this issue with Marc, so this is just speculation...
@ThomasGrillo 3 жыл бұрын
This is a beautiful little aircraft! I'd love to see this real world plane digitized, and added to Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, as a purchasable add on. Would be addition to the collection. Reminds me a lot of the Supralight. bit with better instruments. By the way, is this aircraft soaring capable? Would be a great way to extend flight duration. Thanks for sharing this. Loved the depth of field on the first scenes. Very nice.
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliments! I guess theoretically you could use this for soaring but wirh a gliding ratio of 1:15 it is very efficient butclearly not designed to work as a sailplane. Pipistrel and also other manufacturers like Stemme offer electric sailplanes with touring capabilities ;) That will work better for soaring ;)
@ThomasGrillo 3 жыл бұрын
@@ASWISSPILOT Well, if I weren't legally blind, I'd look into all of these. 1:15 glide ratio is not too far off from soaring capability, then. :)
@GeoffreyEngelbrecht 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. As an engineer I'm always interested in new concepts but I'm not convinced that this will be a big commercial success until they can increase the range. As a circuit or short local flight training aircraft it is probably perfect (not ideal for cross country training) but most of the clubs here also rent aircraft to pilots for building hours or just recreational flying. They generally have small fleets of aircraft. I'm not sure it makes financial sense to buy an aircraft which only serves one single purpose. I would think some sort of hybrid diesel electric or avgas electric system would make a lot more sense as you would gain a lot of the benefits from the electric side - regenerative power, reduced noise and be able to operate the thermal engine at its design point (assuming it is used only to charge the batteries - like Diamond's concept) maximising fuel efficiency plus take advantage of the greater energy density in kerosene or avgas to gain a reasonable range. Once battery technology significantly improves, which I still think will be a decade or more away, then this concept will make a lot more sense.
@zorbalight3933 3 жыл бұрын
Stating the obvious - everybody on the planet knows they don't have the range, but 5 years ago we didn't even have a AC let alone a certified one. Wilbur and Orville only flew a few hundred feet the first time.
@fredpinczuk7352 3 жыл бұрын
Have you considered the maintenance cost associated with ICE training planes vs electric. Never mind the cost of the energy/fuel. Its a no brainer to add one or 2 of these planes into any flight schools. ROI has to be less than 2 years.
@GeoffreyEngelbrecht 3 жыл бұрын
@@fredpinczuk7352 It is interesting the Pipistrel salesman de-emphasised the cost as an advantage. Given the batteries are only good now for 700 charge cycles which with an hours duration means a little over 500 hours flight time assuming 15 minutes for taxiing. Compared to an ICE aircraft which can fly for 3000 flying hours before a major overhaul I wonder how the real costs compare. Lithium Ion batteries are not cheap and I imagine replacing them will be comparable to a new engine every 500 or less flying hours. If they are able to get the charge cycles up to 1'400 as he says they target for the future then perhaps the cost savings start to be more significant given he indicates the regular maintenance is half the cost of an ICE plane. Of course as you say the fuel prices are a lot less so it would be interesting to look at the real costs. Most clubs here in Switzerland only have a handful of aircraft and most members are recreational flyers. My club does have a Tecnam P2008 to attract students. But the Tecnam has the range to also be attractive to renters who already have their license. I'm still not convinced for such clubs this aircraft would be that attractive. But I may be wrong. For a larger flying school with a large throughput of students then I agree with you this aircraft makes a lot of sense but that is not what my comment was referring to.
@fredpinczuk7352 3 жыл бұрын
@@GeoffreyEngelbrecht I looked in the battery choice and chemistry, 700 cycles is right at the mid point of the suggested cycle life for NMC (Nickel Manganese Cobalt). Frankly, it appears not to be a very good choice for the application, and must be as consequence of suppliers availability. batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/types_of_lithium_ion Sounds like there maybe a business opportunity to sell upgrade battery packages. Would could also explain why the re-gen isn't enabled. The battery life cycle is very dependent on the actual charge cycles. And not just speed of charge.
@GeoffreyEngelbrecht 3 жыл бұрын
@@fredpinczuk7352 I suspect the bigger problem is the certification process. Aircraft certification airs on the side of safety and requires rigorous testing and experience. As there is no experience with Lithium Ion batteries as a prime energy source in certified aircraft (this is the first such aircraft) I imagine this is why the regulators cut in half the maximum number of charge cycles that the manufacturer recommended. Given enough time and experience I'm sure the maximum charge cycles will eventually rise to the 1'400 which Pipistrel and undoubtedly the battery supplier are saying should be the charge cycle limit. This is normal in certified aircraft with the introduction of new technology and I've seen many examples of this occurring for other technologies.
@nannyg666 3 жыл бұрын
Cover all flat upward facing surfaces with solar cells and use that at cruising speed to supplement range. Might be worth another 20% under good conditions.
@Ulbre 3 жыл бұрын
It's a pity you had to put that music in to cover up all the engine noise (I'm being sarcastic you know) :P :P :P
@Mrsournotes 3 жыл бұрын
😆
@johnsherman7289 3 жыл бұрын
Yamaha makes an e-motor that doesn't spin up, but sounds like someone ripping paper.
@dsthorp 3 жыл бұрын
Could gliding increase the efficiency of this vehicle?
@waynelakey6573 3 жыл бұрын
Where was this location? And secondly what cameras are you using? Are you using 3? I am looking at Pipistrel brand but not electric.
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there: We flew out of Ecuvillens in Switzerland (LSGE). I used a Gopro Hero 7, a DJI Osmo Action, a Gopro Session 5 plus my Smartphone.
@mattwoody1089 3 жыл бұрын
Hi how did it fly
@scottfranco1962 3 жыл бұрын
They (electric airplanes) are at about 1 hour flight time, and people are talking about airplanes with 2 hour flight times. But that is for 2 place no baggage. You have to get to 4 hours and more carry capacity before this is practical. The issues are: 1. Batteries are not optimized for weight. A car cares far less how much the pack weighs. 2. Batteries don't get lighter as you fly. Gas fueled aircraft do.
@jebise1126 2 жыл бұрын
sight seeing is quite short usually. so with an hour flight is enough 2 would be nice. but of course long lasting battery is needed. something that can last few thousands of cycles. or alternative cheap to replace battery that is easy to recycle.
@MrMinefeld 3 жыл бұрын
1 hour battery. in australia you need 30 min fixed reserve for private flying day vfr. this would half the time your allowed in the air.
@gregandkaruna6674 3 жыл бұрын
Even for a training aircraft that would be much cheaper to learn to fly and doing touch and go circuits?
@christophersahlstrom626 3 жыл бұрын
I'm ready, when can I buy this in the USA? Battery tech has improved a lot. Should be able to get 2 hours flight time now!
@petersellers9219 3 жыл бұрын
I think that was a 10 minute flight.
@wickras 3 жыл бұрын
So what was your actual time flying this thing and how much battery was left at the end?
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there! Sorry for the late reply, I had to look it up in the unedited raw video. We were airborne for 24 minutes (excluding taxi), started at 100% and came back with 49 % in the front battery and 50% in the back battery ;)
@ICKY427 3 жыл бұрын
i wonder what the flight time could be if you replaced your copilot with another battery, maybe even a little more than that. it clearly had no problem staying in the air.
@optimusprimezombie1782 2 жыл бұрын
Piston engines nowadays manage to climb the rotation very fast, electric motors have almost instantaneous torque. I was wondering if there's a noticeable difference?
@racepnd 3 жыл бұрын
Plug in charge up and go again! Totally going to be one of our futures and no noise to bother neighbours. NO NOISE COMPLAINTS!!!!
@johnsherman7289 3 жыл бұрын
Some airports may eliminate noise restrictions on E-planes, making some takeoffs safer.
@68Jaguar420G 3 жыл бұрын
Put good pressure recovery wheel fairings on that aircraft and I wouldn't be surprised to see at least 5 more minutes endurance if not 7 or 8. Unfaired wheels induce so much drag they kill speed and energy consumption!!
@TimothyParker1 3 жыл бұрын
How much does it cost?
@gamer-yc6zd 2 жыл бұрын
this could be used as a recon plane it only lacking is the radar stealth and state of the art camera
@jerrymiller8313 3 жыл бұрын
when I was training a plane made a bad landing and the runways were closed. Still had over two hours of fuel onboard and many options. 50 min total fuel not so many.
@shadowxxe 3 жыл бұрын
for a small bush/hobby plane i'd say it enough especially when you are only going to be flying out small local airstrips
@TheLiasas 3 жыл бұрын
how about a noise comparison?
@yxhankun 3 жыл бұрын
what is the weight of battery in kg? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipistrel_Velis_Electro does not mention.
@ASWISSPILOT 3 жыл бұрын
Hi ;) Front and rear battery each weigh 60 kg, so the total battery weight is around 120 kg I think ;)
@McGyver777ATGMAIL 3 жыл бұрын
Really hope battery tech gets double energy density than present so it can get to at least a couple hours...then it almost becomes a viable option for low entry IF the batteries hold out long term. Imagine if Tesla were to design an airplane with state of the art batteries.
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