So nice of Lyn to handicap himself using a D tier unit in order to give Happy a chance to win.

Mad that in 2024 we are still watching Warcraft3 competitive play.

Grubby: "Happy is so strong!" every replay commentary: Happy loses

These uploads are the best content on your channel. Top tier replays with your commentating and breaking down the game play👌🏼👌🏼

Calling it a "desperate" strategy, just because it cannot win against Happy is a rather strange argument, considering that the strat has had a lot of success against other players If winning against Happy is the threshold, pretty much every single strategy in the game are considered desperate

Lyn has given this matchup a lot of thought vs Happy UD. It's a great strat working through the levels. Hats off to him for the separation to avoid splash damage. That's what I was most impressed with. Never seen that dispersion of the same units before like that to avoid splash damage. Very cool.

@7:41 🤣 full body gaming

That happy ruler story before games made my day. To know that to be the best you need to not just have talent but a lot of prep work and effort that no one sees or knows about.

I got bamboozled by the length of the video, thinking it'd be the whole match

beautiful micro spreading poison, its non lethal but single chain can kill them all when at low hp after poison was spread they focus fire armor 3 prevent bat to 1 hit but with poison slowly draining their hp it makes it easier for the bat to kill at low hp threshold perfect counter 100% even raiders to prevent bats to coming in near wind rider

FAV!!!! FUCKING FAV! you mentioned him! ive been looking for him for ages now,i have my search history as proof! god knows how much i watched your battles against him back in like 2005s god... GRUBBY VS 4K.FAV!!!! in iran we used to download your replays on dial up internet god... god bless you grubby!

Lyn is using 3 control groups for splitting wind riders. What a revealation for warcraft 3 players 😂

I used to be a wrist player, now I'm a finger player. I move the mouse between the range of my fingers' stretch, holding it with the tip of my fingers while placing my hand/wrist down on the table.

So fucking beautiful to see an undead player lose to a hard hero focus regardless of having a DK that for some reason has enough mana for about 8 coils.

whoah i was just rewatching a happy vs lyn game u casted the one where he went firelord bats and stuff, and now a new upload so coollll, what a coincidence lol

I could listen to Grubby all day spitting out WC3 anekdotes :D

Well this is a treat. Lyn vs Happy. Have not seen Lyn play in a long time. Blizzard wouldn't dare delete Taurens, they are one of Orcs coolest units. I can hear all the voice lines from the Tauren in my head right now 😂Boo Lyn for suggesting to delete Taurens 😆Nice color shirt 👍 7:40 LOL funny impression 😆. Interesting about Happy getting his ruler out to measure before he plays. I have always had a bad taste in my mouth from Happy. After having watched you stream and speak highly of Happy, I decided to go check him out on his stream. I wrote something along the lines of hello I watch Grubby play a lot and he speaks highly of you and I pointed something out that was happening in game while he was *leisurely watching a replay. Crickets.... Im the only one typing English because I don't know Russian. Maybe he was thinking along the lines of USA vs Russia or something I don't know. That didn't even cross my mind. I wanted to get a feel for how he was as a person. Completely ignored.... So every time I see him play vs someone I root for the other player 😆 Childish I know 🤣. Nice win by Lyn 😆🤣😂 Well at least now if you face Happy you have more options for victory. Your main Orc with Wind Riders or Human with siege tanks. You could tell Happy was so mad when Romantic beat him with siege engines. He steam rolled him 🤣

Hello, Grubby, can you try a match with only flyers?

this is an amazing display of players' skill and depth of the game

22:05 Totally wiped the whole UD armory and heroes without a single chance by a tier D unit…😅

Considering both players have amazing micro, what could Happy have done differently? The most straightforward answer is to attack earlier to prevent the mass Wyverns but I'm not sure he ever had the population to delay him for too long. It seems like his strategy was doomed from the go, even if he did play really well of course.

Zenith and nadir are the more formal or more exact words for peak and valley/trough, just fyi :P

Yessss, love these Grubby casting videos, more please!!!

I'm always happy to see an old game getting lots of love from its community

Love the commentary vids!

good morning gamers. rts is awesome. thanks for playing harstem

Looking forward to seeing the other 2(?) games of the series. Edit: I see that one just showed up. If you're going to get rid of Tauren units, then make Tauren Warrior Hero out of the ashes (this would be different from Tauren Chieftain). This is part of my idea to replace some problematic units with 1 new Altar hero for each faction that is only available starting at Tier 2 -- so Siege Engine Hero replacing Siege Engine unit for Human, Mountain Giant Hero replacing Mountain Giant unit for Night Elf, Tauren Warrior Hero replacing Tauren unit for Orc, and something similar for Undead (maybe Abomination Hero?).

Personally, Taurens reminds me of SC2 Ultralisks, basically just bulkier zerglings with splash damage but is a beefy damage sponge... Problem is, spellcasters ignore Chitinous Plating & Carapace upgrades (Disruptor balls, Psi Storms & Steady Targeting/Snipe from Ghosts)... Unlike in BW where the only kill threat against it is usually Irradiate (which also threatens your bio balls), mass Siege Tank + Spider Mines (mech is risky vs Zerg)... and Defilers exist. If Orc had a defensive spellcaster or spells then Taurens might get some value beyond being a bulkier Grunt with an optional splash attack tech.

flash also did the ruler thing and is the GOAT, ruler required to be the goat confirmed

Always a good day when there’s a grubby content :))

This was indeed, almost exactly the same build as Grubby's 20 years ago, except Lyn didn't build a single tower. However I wonder what was Happy thinking to not have a single fiends this game?

You don't need high APM to pass items quickly. You just hold shift to q commands.

"It's a tankless job" -Grubby 2024

The moment u realise grubby watching a replay has more APM than you playing the game

Does Happy still have that retro rubber dome keyboard? I remember seing him when he played sc2 with it.

lmao the KR mouse range of movement shocked me too when i first saw KR FPS pro players, they are out there accurately whipping their mouse around🤣

Haha, wyverns vs Happy, this is never going to.. WHAAT!?

I love the Lich's death sound ngl

Being flying and ranged has always its advantages. You should mention those advantages in the Tier list. For example, WR can free farm golems. Gryphons cannot.

I guess Happy was experimenting to see how static his destroyer build could be against mass wyverns. Every time i see grubby do this orc strat, he always tries to use wyvs early and he loses a lot on healing them back up or straight up losing them. So the orc play is to straight up not engage with opponent until a mass is created unlike how grub will play it. And undeads overall mistake here was not going aggresive enough on the anti air front. Triple ud heros can handle 20 pop air which we usually see in games with smaller maps, but cant tackle 40+. But yeah, overall boring game because both playera decided to not clash, but interesting info can be drawn out. Guess magic shell banshees instead of destroyers would also be a lot more useful...

Antonym of power spike = power trough. One of the definitions of trough is "depression, low point"

takeaway: windriders - never fight, creep but run away, mass high pop

This Wind Rider strategy Lyn is using will only work against Undead and maybe Night Elves. Undead has options though with CryptFiendswith Webs and Gargoyles.

Lyn hurts me man i love the Tauren they just need help movement speed armor attack speed just something man

Wheres the rest of it??

Grubby pretending he couldn't stomp these nerds if he really wanted to, even as crypt lord first UD.

where is game 2? Where are the vods of his stream located?

I noticed the agility tome gave armor 4 to 5,was it really an accident? Maybe he values it higher?

Wheres part 2???

Would it be too OP to make taurens tier 3 and have an upgrade to make them magic immune?

!Grubby for president!

Where is game 2?

lyn focusfired tthe wind riders but he had 2 split groups. both doing different things.

Grubby, you should know by now…it’s not about a unit or a race it’s all about in who’s hands that unit or a race is.

Scout and Counter by a tower push by ud. Ez.

Those few Raiders with the ensnares are so cool in that army! EDIT: originally thought there was only 1 Raider but guess there was atleast 2

I've always played wind riders like that in fights - just attack ground and let them do the work with poison, instead of me focusing, they just do a better job 😃

15:38, wtf happened to batrider?

15:38 WTF how did this bat rider died (0.0)

17:12- Grubby the opposite of a spike is a dip

7:24 np

Has shadow hunter always been agility based hero?

It's shame that they didnt invent rewind funcion in replays in Reforged.

why are tomes so often missed and left on the ground? I see that on seemingly every other grubby video, where a tome is left for several minutes.

It would be good if we know how much food they had in last fight..

why happy didn't make a spiders?

Give Taurens the Endurance Aura. Give TC Pulverize. 😂 - Taurens back to T3; - Taurens now have EA level 1; - Can be upgraded to level 2; - TC has Pulverize level 1 and 2; - Also, can have it level 3. TC would be a fighting beast and you'd always go T3 for the aura.

20:53 I look into into the fortune teller's crystal ball and it says: "Grubby will play with wyvern again." Grubby ten times before in previous maps: "I will never play wyvern again!". And on 22:40 Grubby admits: "This will be on the test!" :-)

So do you think this invalidates your tier placing of them?

WHERE IS GAME 2

Honestly sooooo much better than Neo!!

Grubby can you still compete with them? Do you think they are much higher skill level than you?

Who is the best of all time? And is Grubby in top 10 of all time?

Best caster

5 minutes and 1 comment? This channel goin up

Lyn is incredible

Neo is the best!

Anyone know why Grubby stopped playing Dota?

UUNE DABOOU 🦅

2:15 -- naaah, Gгuб-mate... The aco was CLOSE ENOUGH to the creeps so that they just *ATTACKED HIM* out of sheer AI that's coded into them... This had *NOTHING TO DO* with the months-ago discovered repair/unsummon worker commands that mess with Creeps... :P .

Don't delete tauren!! Make them 1 less farm or something, even if HP has to be nerved a bit.

14:50 What does it have to do with who used to play it? It’s a common sense to have armor upgrade versus superior air units like Bats. It’s,like when you play Heroes of Might and Magic III game and you hero is a caster, you go for the armor upgrade so you could last longer and cast more spells. Pretty simple for Orc’s units too, for bats you want attack upgrade and for wind riders you want armor. Since it’s hard to have both at the same time, In this situation you also want armor for both units.

goooooooooooooo

Why do these pro players keep focussing the lich? Why not the DK? Every time the Lich gets thrown several coils. The DK would just go down. All that DPS is wasted, the Lich lives. But they keep doing it. Is it a mistake or what am I missing?

wouldn't a pack of 10 crypt fiends just win the game? why can't pros ever move off meta? he would've known he was going wind ryder too because of the lack of units being produced.

Main points seem to be: fast tech with far seer creeping, into ww harass to keep oppo in base, into selling items to achieve critical mass and one raider for control. Really wanted to see how this strat would work woth early harass, Lyn did have 3 burrows very early, and shortly after two ww that ghouls could never deal with. It really does seem that having one fiend w web or maybe even firelord for base harass would have greatly benefited Happy

Wind Riders won...

I can't say i understand the UD logic here for insisting on Destroyers spam for three games in a row. Destroyers versus an army that has basically zero spellcasters, aside from FSeer wolves and SHunter hex and the rare Scroll of Speed. Destroyers damage output (ironically) even with their Orb is rather mediocre for their 5 population cost. And they take DOUBLE damage from Wind Riders, so instead of 850 hp they got a miserable 425 hp vs WRiders. Overall feels like they perform extremely poorly vs WRiders.

Spoiler alert comment.

The “night elf players are just smarter” sarcastic joke is so backwards it’s actually comical. Night elf, starting at a decent elo, is almost exclusively strategy. Cannot play 1 base at all, have to interrupt creeping of enemy 2nd hero, cannot let get second base up, and have to have perfect defense for timings. Very backwards to think otherwise but good bias coming through as usual and the army of trolls nod

As a UD, I've always thought that this particular Orc build is *TERRIBLY* imbalanced, practically ever since it's first been seeing use back in like 2004-5. Personally, rather than Happy's method, I've always preferred simply MASSING Fiends and then either Panda or Pit Lord 3rd, for Haze/BoF and Howl respectively. (PL *CAN* be coiled, btw) Problem's 2 things tho: With my method, you 1) Lack mobility, thus Orc has free reign to lame / harass / tower many expos / outcreep you, etc. *AND* 2) you spend SO much $$ on ALL upgrades. Both these factors will result in a situation where the Orc is eventually BOTH ahead economically *AND* has higher hero levels. Happy's method counters both these problems, but it requires *INSANE PRECISION* and *VERY* careful and gradual play to make work *PLUS...* *...PLUS* if the Orc catches you with your pants down at any point before you get your final configuration of units / heroes / items, *YOU'RE DEAD.* ... ... because at earlier stages you only have ghouls and mb 2-3 gargs. Whereas if you go fiends, you gradually build them up and can fight ANY time if you meet. . *ULTIMATELY,* I honestly think that the biggest problem in the entire situation are *NOT* the Wind Riders themselves ... ... -- *it's the INSANE UTILITY of the **_Shadow Hunter_* 70-mana hero-kill spell and 90-mana Healing Scroll ?? (actually, *STRONGER* than a heal scroll) ... And on a hero who *NEVER* has mana issues anyway... Who *EVER* thought this up?? :( Hex can be dispelled, alright, but good luck keeping your destros alive for long enough... (protip: *You CAN'T, if the Orc knows what he's doing.* ) btw, if you think me weird for saying that, let me jus tell you this: DeMuslim (the British *_Human_* player) once stated in interview that to him, *SHADOW HUNTER* is most imba hero in the game. Go figure. ----> ... :) . *P.S.* What is more, I actually think that Lyn *did NOT AT ALL need to sell his items* like he did at 12:20. Honestly, what's the point? A little buffed-up heroes are *MUCH* better than the 2-3 extra wyvs you get from the gold acquired via selling. I honestly think this move actually made him *WEAKER* , not _STRONGER_ . :P .

You are over-analyzing the windrider climax fight, it was decided at the very beggining when the gargoyles died to the bats. Undead didn't have enough firepower against air after that.

I could listen to Grubby all day spitting out WC3 anekdotes :D