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I don't agree with it. There is no scarcity of imagination in today's generation.

You obviously dont understand the immensity of the statement. You're the living example of " dearth of imagination " thank you for being the example.​@yenaremadun7184

@@yenaremadun7184 It is just a catchy phrase of the kind Mr. D uses. Mr. D., today's guest, sprinkles many such comments. Many Indians are happy just to hear the words Vishnu and Shiva. The rest of the non-scientific, unvalidated stuff that today's guest spew out is fit for garbage bin alone.

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Pls provide scriptural reference that the puranic version of shiva and Vishnu were popular and widely known before 500 BCE. Devdutt’s point was “what we know from verifiable documentary sources”. If you want to “believe” they are older, that is just faith and that’s perfectly fine

And this channel owner is also trying to propagate lies

⁠@@krishashok modern evidence suggests that the timeline of 500 BC is not factually correct and many historians have challenged it, to say that if you believe otherwise is a matter of your own faith is ignorant to say the least. Devdutt Patnaik is neither a historian nor a religious scholar, his books are based on his own interpretation of scriptures so what he thinks need not be taken seriously. Acknowledging something that is beyond our expertise is a sign of open mindedness because science and research are constantly evolving.

Contrary to your belief, archeological evidence suggests that all manifestations are progression from the vajrayana sect of Buddhism. While I do not subscribe to this completely, but I believe that the Shiva and Shakti traditions may have come from tribal tradition and amalgamated into the Tantra sect of Vajrayana, whereas Vishnu became a stronger manifestation much later. Well it's just my belief and not even a theory. Yet to be proven with evidence and I am trying.

Why is it nonsense? The Rid Veda has no real mention of shiva or vishnu in the present form that we pray to. Religious customs are forever evolving.

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Agreed, mythologist spreading myths I guess

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You missed it the metaphor 😂 they don't eat ....

He answered the question. Re-watch.

Just checked with Shiva , he had masala dosa. And vishnu had poori baaji. By the way, shiva is my class mate & vishnu is my colleague,

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@@utubevenkySo you're a student and also working somewhere at the same time. 👏🏼👏🏼

What do you wanna say??

@@MrSur512 exactly what i mean

don't know how old are you, but you sound like an adult. So why are you dependent on your mother for food. You at least require more than 100 gm of protein every day. Plan it yourself and prepare meal. There are tons of meal ideas on KZfaq

@@swagatnag5184 not an adult still 😅

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Thank you. One of the things social media has done in conjunction with polarised politics is to make forget that it's OK to disagree politely and have a diversity of opinions on faith and religion. As you can see with some of the comments below, people form their own cultish tribes on the basis of something as trivial as tweets. Somehow, people can read 50 of his books and have a polite, intellectual and enriching disagreement or counterview BUT reading 2 tweets you find triggered you gives one the right to use silly extremist labels!

​@@krishashokyou said it! I'll add that expression in the anonymity of social media emboldens you to be more foolish/shallow/border-line mean; & such expressions, in my view, are always more exciting to engage in than the more polite/intellectual conversations that one should ideally have. The allure of showing off your dark side ( or ignorant/lazy side) under anonymity (social media) is very tempting .

@@krishashok yes you are right, I’m a person who does not give much attention to others comments except for few videos. But I believe people who support you and gaining from your knowledge is far more than the negative actors and u already know that. I’ll be looking forward for the next topic from you patiently. Thanks once again

They are not the same as the hugely popular deities we now know. The primary deities in the Vedas are the elements - Indra, Varuna, Agni, Surya, Savitar etc. There are 250 references to Indra, 200 to Agni, and merely 6 references to Vishnu and 4 references to Rudra. The most popular hymn from the Rig Veda is dedicated to Savitar (Gayatri Mantra). It is the Puranas from much later that feature the version of Vishnu and Shiva we are familiar with. And the Shaivite and Vaishnative movements from the 8th century onwards that popularized the concept of temple religion. The Vedic culture DID NOT have temples. None of this is controversial - all you have to do is speak to vedic experts even if you do not trust Devdutt or random youtubers like me. You might want to consider that other people also read these things and do not make stuff up for their convenience. And last but not the least, the diversity of how we interpret the Hindu faith is something worth celebrating, not fighting over in the comments section.

@@krishashok At first, I appreciate your reply. I also agree about Vaishnavism or Shaivaite traditions are which are later from 8th based on empirical evidence. However, some of the views expressed are merely wrong. 6 and 4 references of Vishnu and Rudra are truly wrong. What basis you are saying? Primary evidence or other secondary sources. There are several references about Vishnu in every Veda. Right from Achidram, ashwadedam, Mahanarayana Upanishad till sooktas, dedicated especially to Gods. Additional empirical evidence of Greek Heliodoros adopting to Vishnu worship and erected a column with Garuda as staff. Though I truly enjoy you posts on food and agree with many of the claims. It is clear Sri Devadutt was offline mentioning about Vishnu. Might be he intended to say, Shiva and Krishna instead of Shiva and Vishnu. Scaring that Indian society allows authorship with limited research. While I totally agree about Bhakti /temple traditions which are later import. Regarding your suggestion to talking to vedic experts, I have read Yaskar (very old) and Vidhyaranya bhashyams (less than 900 years) with vedic experts, without any hidden agenda. Let me rest my case with this.

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Do link to archaeological evidence. As with history, many things are probably older than evidence suggests because the lack of evidence is not evidence of lack, but purely factually speaking, one can only go with the oldest record we know.

We have to rely on America to get proof.carbon dating science and genetics

We have to rely on America to get proof.carbon dating science and genetics

Fun is faith is older.

@@krishashok Would you consider the Pashupati seal from Harappa as evidence? :)

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This guy devdatt Patnaik is a woke and he doesn’t know facts he is trying to tarnish sanatan

Wrong facts stated in video please flag it as inappropriate

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This topic is also explained well by Devdatt Patnaik. Satvic food - A food which involves non-violence and when even eaten it doesn't provoke, or aggravate you to be angry. ( Science -which doesn't increase your blood pressure. ) Tamasic Food - Which food involves violence, eg. eating meat, also Includes onion, garlic aswell. As they aggravate your blood pressure. Can only be taken by some as medicine for thinning blood occasionally if highly necessary, but monks and other sages avoid totally such veges too. Hope it clears your doubt in some way. Thank you 😊

Ashwamedha yagna was not conducted by the average person. It was a rare event that the richest of kings did

Thank you! It's always heartening to see people in the audience who still believe in a pluralist vision of Indian society

for practicality purposes, getting raw milk is hard nowadays

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Haha it's caffeine

In most traditions that is so...Dhatura too.... He drank poison.. metaphor or literal dont know. Many shaivite sadhu ascetics do so...

Shiva doesn't eat Vishnu eats whatever you feed him

They ate everything, vegetables, meat, dairy

Lord Vishnu / Krishna eats vegetarian food, water, fruits & nuts.

​@@kapa1208😂 you want to hear what you want to hear

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Shiva was never a Vedic God...the older God was Indra ( most probably a tribal leader of the aryans )

You try fix your photo of yourself in the adhaar card, with the evidence you have in hand 😜. If that happens, that evidence which you asking for also will come out.

​@@ajithgudepu68 incorrect vedic rudra was lord shiva.

Can you give me some evidence or links saying Vishnu is older than 2500

Yes, my bad. Necrophagy

What is the false information here?

hard to do justice to these topics in any short form video

You are welcome to assume it's my belief, but it is also your belief :) Rudra and Narayana are very minor deities with passing references in the Vedas. Their role/mythology in the vedas is NOT what we today know as those deities. Devdutt's point here is that today's definition and popularity of Vishnu and Shiva's mythology came very much later. You don't have to take my word - speak to scholars if you wish to

@@krishashok no I disagree with this assumption Aslo. In rudram it was said " namo jyestaya cha kanishtaayacha" " I salute to the greatest and the smallest." It was term used in rudram that " Visvesvaraya" which means lord of the universe. How can we assume him as minor daity? Even in narayana suktam of yajurveda " yatra kinchit jagat sarvam drushyathe sruyate piva anthah bhahischa tat sarvam vyapya narayanah parah. " It means " what ever u can see or touch, narayana is spread both in and out of those all".

@@krishashok I don't want to undermine myself less than any scholar because I have my own research. I read the scriptures first hand and spent days thinking of these concepts. It's just my self esteem but I value ur opinion.

To each their own. For the vast majority it breaks the monotony and helps anchor ideas

What kind of references are you looking at? burden of proof is on you; you need to say what he talks is irrelevant. :-) That's how most of the pseudo-garbage is propagated.

Pre work out meal is not necessary.. just have a little of over night soaked oats nuts shake or banana

@@shyamalagowri9992 THAT'S THE PROBLEM...EVEN IF YOU EAT VERY LITTLE AMOUNTS OF OVER NIGHT SOAKED OATS ,BANANA NUTS...EARLY IN THE MORNING..IT WILL TAKE TIME TO DIGEST... ATLEAST 1HR...BUT MANY FOLKS CAN'T EVEN WAIT FOR 30 min. BEFORE THE FOOD GETS DIGESTED .. THEY GO FOR EXERCISE..THIS WILL DIVERT THE BODY FROM DIGESTION TO EXERCISE.. BLOOD FLOW WILL GO TO MUSCLES ..AND THE DIGESTION PROCESS STOPS...AND THAT UNDIGESTED FOOD WILL CREATE PROBLEMS IN THE GUT.

Please link to Nilesh Oak's peer reviewed research. 7500 years ago, we have no evidence for anything other than the earliest, highly basic agricultural settlements like Mehrgarh. Please don't confuse mythology with history.

An engineer is no guarantee for history !! 😂

You do realize the conversation is about the symbolism, not the literal act of eating

Ah interesting. Cultural food habits are best purely seen through the lens of culture and not science.

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Really? Please share the published archaeological finding that we found a shivling in IVC

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@krishashok look for the kalibangan shivling, since I can't share links in youtube. There are also multiple cylindrical objects that may or may not be proto-shivling

what proof do you need for mythology? you understand its all cooked up stuff based on some stories published and some artefacts. You can also say Spiderman is very much active if you find some Webdings in NY. Think about it.. ? Where do you draw the line?

one can same thing about Jesus & Mohammad too..

Albert Einstein said Same thing about Gandhi.people won't believe such a person lived

My channel, my rules.

Why does buffalo symbolise ignorance?

@@krishashok it is slow, not so responsive to external stimulus, it is dull