Football Manager Scouts Are Not Good

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Identifying and signing potential wonderkids is my favorite part of Football Manager. It felt a little more hit or miss than usual on FM21, with the transfer signings I made on my new FM save sometimes falling by the wayside as soon as they arrived because, well, they’re not wonderkids. They were just not good enough. Then I filmed a video with Demand More and found that some players we knew had great potential were simply given the wrong star rating on their potential by the perfect scout we employed. This got me curious. Are scouts in Football Manager really not that good?
I came up with a test and off we went! A perfect scout all the way to a scout with 1’s at every important attribute, the competition to misidentify wonderkids was going to be fierce. The scout at Manchester City was going to give a different star rating than the one at Arsenal, but it was a rough look at how scouts and potential interacted on Football Manager in a way I had not thought to look before. The results may surprise you! Obviously, that’s why we’re both here, so go finish watching the latest HOT FM video.
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@aaronwhyley207 3 жыл бұрын

Feel like the dressing room fit is related to the personality of the player vs the squad, so you'd expect that to vary by team

@isaaclodziak-green6326 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and also the scout recommendation also takes into consideration wages and fee so will naturally be lower if your club has less money

@daemian550 3 жыл бұрын

@@isaaclodziak-green6326 tell that to all the Mbappes i scout when playing as Feyenoord

@Jhelil 3 жыл бұрын

@@daemian550 if you put those players on a top team then their stats will get worse

@giannis.ioannidis.1995 3 жыл бұрын

Sancho might have had former teammates in the Man City squad which is natural since he's originating from their academy. Former teammates = friends = better chemistry

@fangool 3 жыл бұрын

Think you should have had all 3 scouts in the same club and then compared their reports. Then the scouts had the same current players to judge the youngsters against.

@devileh 3 жыл бұрын

This.

@ZealandonYT 3 жыл бұрын

I did all three at different clubs in the same save so they could scout the same player in the same universe. This prevented any variables between different universes in my mind, and if I scout the same player three different times from the same club, there is already a club knowledge of that player from the other scouts that go first

@devileh 3 жыл бұрын

@@ZealandonYT You can do three scouts from the same team by loading the save again when you're doing the next scout. That way they start from scratch each time. Also: Going through your Oriental Dragon vids atm, love it.

@RexOedipus. 3 жыл бұрын

@@ZealandonYT create universe. Immediately save. Then you can now just reload this save and make the scouts

@stefanmichel8639 3 жыл бұрын

@@ZealandonYT I have loaded a save game with one team several times with different scouting attributes for the scout. My Scout had 20, 10 and 1 Attributes like in your video. I scouted the players Gavi(15), de Ligt (21) and Pogba (27). They all had the same reportcard and the only difference I found was that the time to scout them to full knowledge with the worst scout took more time. I don't really see the point to hire any high level scouts anymore, except for shorter scouting and I think this is something SI should be working on. I purposely did choose one really young guy, an almost developt talent and a guy that is in his prime

@BaBaKeIsaiah 3 жыл бұрын

Like others have said already, it would have been better to use the same club all 3 times. You should also try to scout some no names, as wonderkids might already have a reputation, helping the bad scout with his judgment. The worst scout in the world will be able to tell you that Messi is fantastic, but can he tell you how high the potential of the 3. keeper of FK Kauno Zalgiris is?

@alexantony2544 3 жыл бұрын

I'm from Kaunas, seeing the name of my hometown team and my hometown in general was the last thing I expected once I've clicked on the video lol fair play

@2kfanman23 3 жыл бұрын

Should also probably scout with worse teams, the star scale gets compressed if your team is good so that 3* = prem and 2* is anywhere from L2 to championship

@MrMattonico 3 жыл бұрын

@@alexantony2544 hey man, I'm from Argentina, I love zalgiris kaunas, though I know them more because of basketball, the city looks lovely too

@alexantony2544 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrMattonico oh yeah?? that is so cool, I'm more of a basketball fan myself tbh and I live and die by the green&white! much love to you my guy, Argentinian basketball rocks!!

@_girltype 3 жыл бұрын

zealand vs understanding controlling variables when doing an experiment

@munkey00 3 жыл бұрын

You should look at their ability to find players though: Send 3 scouts from the same club (in three different saves) to scout one league, once complete see which one returns the best prospects based on what’s available in that league

@AkshayMasare 3 жыл бұрын

I feel the locker room fit will vary team to team, regardless of the scout

@PH-jv4ik 3 жыл бұрын

Zealand hates the glazers, just when I thought he couldn't become more of a legend

@tombardsley3081 3 жыл бұрын

I’m the same with the owner of the NFL team I support (LA Rams). Can’t stand Stan Kroenke even though I’m not an Arsenal fan

@TheHumbernator 3 жыл бұрын

Everyone hates the Glazers

@dannlawrencellabore8060 3 жыл бұрын

That scout who keeps sending reports on Mbappe but you're in a second tier Serbian club

@shahir1395 3 жыл бұрын

wow, no scout has ever recommended me Mbappe ever.

@draganpajevic2090 3 жыл бұрын

Radnički 1923 is my club! ❤

@Diamond-vy1lx 3 жыл бұрын

Scout: Look, you must sign Mbappe at all cost! You: But I dOnT HavE tHe MOneY

@draganpajevic2090 3 жыл бұрын

@@Diamond-vy1lx And he won't join my second tier Serbian club. 🤣

@gregorgerzson1767 3 жыл бұрын

Once I had 200k for transfers. Keep pushing me Real Madrid stars to buy it cause they would be superb... You dont say, man..

@draganpajevic2090 3 жыл бұрын

Scouts in FM are the reason why i have trust issues. 😅😂

@dazham1 3 жыл бұрын

Surely the value of a good scout is also their ability to FIND the wonderkids. The better scouts (assuming identical knowledge) will find players other scouts won't, and that's precisely what you are looking for to get ahead of the big clubs. Also, star ratings are relative to the league the club is in and the players in your squad. If a scout of a League 1 club scouted players in the Premier League, they'd all have 5* current and potential ability. Best thing to do would be to use the same 3 scouts you created but have them at the same club, make sure that their knowledge is the same (say just England) and then send them all to the same country that doesn't speak the same language (say Brazil) and then simulate the game and see 1. How quickly they gain knowledge of the country, 2. How many players they find, 3. Where they've scouted the same player, see how variable the scouting reports are. Nice video idea though!

@TheMightofDab 2 жыл бұрын

The star rating is relative to your squad, yes, but not the league. You can test this pretty easily. Get promoted and you'll see your star ratings don't change until you sign better players, then suddenly your 5* striker is 3*

@e_o_zoca 3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, the test was done wrong. As yourself said, the reputations of the clubs are different so that as well affected the outcome. You should do a test with 3 scouts from the same team and also use regens because of the random side of things

@patrickgallacher1302 3 жыл бұрын

So the millions of pounds I've been spending on compensation for better scouts had been pointless that's good to know now

@MirasMak 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah man, don't pay for their useless skills, but pay for their sweet knowledge

@melodic_ez0657 3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see this experiment at a lower league level, I have a feeling that that's where you can see the difference between the scouts more.

@rich63113 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I think you're going to see waaaay more variability at the 65 pa/ca range with better scouts.

@giuseppegreco2667 3 жыл бұрын

MOMBOT

@FMDNA 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic vid...always a great watch

@ShaunDoesFM 3 жыл бұрын

Nice vid Z, intriguing stuff

@flik69able 3 жыл бұрын

168 potential can still be 5* if the attributes are better filled out, so Sancho at 175 wudnt necessarily have a better potential

@TheJW7 3 жыл бұрын

Surely there were way too many uncontrolled variables for this to be the actual conclusion

@patrickgallacher1302 3 жыл бұрын

Quality vid good luck with graduation man

@bookerjam 3 жыл бұрын

“Uniquely unlikeable” Yes! You’ve won me back after that Paul Gascoigne debacle t’other day!

@FMJellico 3 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to dive a bit deeper into this, there's a lot of variables at play that if taken into account might reveal some more results. Teams with different reputations, scouts with differing knowledge of the area they player they are scouting in, scouts adaptability and So on.

@christopherteer4764 3 жыл бұрын

Does player's preferred position relative to the primary tactic make any difference in overall rating from the scout? i.e. doesn't currently play the position that our primary tactic lists (let's say advanced forward vs. poacher), so therefore overall rating is lower?

@skippyjnr 3 жыл бұрын

Just a thought - the other scouts in the team, does it affect the report and knowledge? So the history of scouting and knowledge of the player before the scout report happened (pre existing data from before the game started)

@p839aul 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah would be a good idea to test this on the same 5 regens.

@yehangyeo6470 3 жыл бұрын

I think the rating can also be affected by the price to pay for the player.

@alexandre526 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure, I remember scouting players that were way too expensive and my scouts said they were great players

@yehangyeo6470 3 жыл бұрын

@@alexandre526 That's usually the scout's own reports. I was referring to the assignments that where I ask a scout to scout a specific player.

@SimersFM 3 жыл бұрын

Yes the scout number rating takes into account cost. A 5 star potential player who costs 1mil will have a higher scout rating then another 5 star potential player who costs 30 mil.

@Draven.G 3 жыл бұрын

so thats why messi had 5 stars at my bolton save

@yehangyeo6470 3 жыл бұрын

@@Draven.G did you ask your scout to scout messi specifically? I've gotten a lot of high scouting reports because I asked my scouts to raid Colo Colo for their 15 year old for less than a million. And then there's the scout reports where I don't ask them to scout players but they throw me "sign at whatever the cost" for mbappe in my first season a bath city.

@marioNOW 3 жыл бұрын

Another example how broken scouting is in FM and not working as intended and explained by SI. Really looking forward to the scouting speed (please check the individual and general scouting assignments). I found out in my test that 1 scout can have 3 players individually scouted at the same time (scouting priorities) and general assignments (nation) does not affects this at all. So no point of leaving a scout unassigned to check for individual players as it will not be faster. Edit: but others mentioned in SI forums that their scout had 5 players scouted simultaneously in the priorities so maybe there is some attribute dependence I missed in my test.

@veselinbakov5448 3 жыл бұрын

Fist of all, a great (although with disturbing results) video. I'd be really interested to see some kind of a test (can't really think of a way to make it consistent tho) of how good the different levels of scouts are at suggesting players, instead of scouting a predefined list. Maybe assign several scouts at the same region, for the same amount of time, with the same requirements, and then compare the results (number of suggestions, suggestions over a certan threshold, comparison of these suggestions with their actual PA and CA, etc).

@masonma1971 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting results, and I've noticed many times in games when I've scouted the same player with the same scout a few weeks apart, you get a different report, which doesn't really make sense. I only really use scouts now to give me an idea of what to bid and what wages to offer. For judging players, it's better to use your own judgement

@maud3444 3 жыл бұрын

You should have used 3 scouts from the same team.. that way you could compare the stars better. Gread video btw! It confirmed what I was already suspecting

@g0dseye80 3 жыл бұрын

Another brilliant vid from our boy zealand. is this another thing broken then, love your content mate. Stay safe 😷😷

@richardoh1047 3 жыл бұрын

mombot poggers

@kingfait5437 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to see someone else in the intro 😂

@jameshenesey-smith1010 3 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting with regens because they have more personalities which the worse scouts might not be able to pick??? They are also rating them relative to their squads, it would be better to test this on regens with the same team.

@kirbyspark4599 3 жыл бұрын

I’m new to the game and I started a save with spennymoor in the vanarama north. When my scouts find players the reports are basically useless with very broad stat ranges and if I use the player search I can’t filter by stats as none of the scouted players have complete reports. Do I simply need to fill out my recruitment team with new scouts or do I need to change where the way I am sending them out

@Minidunkathon93 3 жыл бұрын

Intro was gold lol

@MrFulawka 3 жыл бұрын

It's nice when you scroll down to the comment section and see everyone have the same thought you did while watching the video. Unless they're all scouts on the same team I don't know how relevant this is unfortunately.

@godseye13k Жыл бұрын

I do miss this style of video these days. I rewatch them all the time. Probs have a hunred views from me alone lol stay safe. 👊

@Flinsenberger101 3 жыл бұрын

The good thing about this is: FM21 thinks i might have a career option in scouting football players.

@milosruss 3 жыл бұрын

you should test this on mid and lower league teams. it will be interesting :)

@alexleathem1188 3 жыл бұрын

MOMBOT, the wheels of this whole operation

@ArjanSchaeffer 3 жыл бұрын

feel like this is something to again check with SI... would they have anything to uncover on this topic as somehow you COULD say the game is just operating wrong on this subject.

@devileh 3 жыл бұрын

You should have just had 3 different scouts from the same team do this. Load the game if you want a blank scout report or something. Rating and locker room fit is completely relative to the team.

@utsavbasu1048 3 жыл бұрын

Can anyone help me I have my scout reports for a player available but I can't scout him fully There in the release clause section it's written scouting required but I don't get any further reports and when I go to scouting, there it's written the player is been scouted already

@Swarogg 3 жыл бұрын

One other thing I would like to see aside from every scout is from the same club, is to see the player at the club when the scouting is finished to see if the pros and cons were right

@mickeyb4551 3 жыл бұрын

Very very interesting! I think I noticed I slight glitch though Z. You used the report from medium scout twice for Demir mate. If true that’ll change this up a little

@mickeyb4551 3 жыл бұрын

That said I feel a lot better about the 14-15 skilled scouts I can attract at Hearts now!

@andraskurucz839 3 жыл бұрын

Zea the problem with this concept is that you put one scout into a dogshit team like Arsenal and one into Manchester City and United. Of course there is gonna be differences because they compare the star ratings to the teams themselves(as you always said). So you should really test it by doing 3 different saves at the same team with different scouts to make a more accurate comparison.

@ozancanan9879 3 жыл бұрын

You are right but on 3 different saves, these players will have different potential ability. He can just make 1 save and change the scout report staff to see the different ratings.

@andraskurucz839 3 жыл бұрын

@@ozancanan9879 Actually no. Every player that is not a regen has a certain potential ability at start. That means that Sancho will always have 175 potential ability and over time this could lower. But zea's scouts came back in around a week as he said. In that little amount of time Sancho won't lose any sort of potential (except maybe if he is hit by a train or something). Try launching 10 saves and check his potential with ingame editor or some sort of 3rd party tool like fm genie, it's always the same.

@danlehman4646 3 жыл бұрын

@@andraskurucz839 That's not entirely accurate, most players (I believe) under the age of 21 have variable potentials within a range. For instance, some of these players have a chance to start a save between 150-180PA. This value is assigned after you load the save up the first time. FM does this to create variety between different saves and also to keep players from potentially being upset by the ratings assigned. If you were to look into the FM editor(Not the in game editor) the potential abilities of these players will say something like "-8.5" which is how FM assigns a random potential ability.

@PatJDelaney 3 жыл бұрын

@@andraskurucz839 Every player that is in the game does not have a set potential. Most players have a set potential but there are players that have potential ranges and every save it is a random value in that range. Exmaples: camavinga, Reyna, youssoufa moukoko. You can use the database editor to look at those potentials. Also PA does not change during a save, this is not Fifa.

@andraskurucz839 3 жыл бұрын

@@danlehman4646 You are actually right on that one, my bad. But he could really just choose some youngsters whose ratings are set in stone such as Sancho.

@romulobarretofernandes8545 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Zealand, great video. Could it be that Scouts abilities are significant when they are scouting for unkown players on assignments instead of being sent to scout directly?

@Stemmy03 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you could try the same thing but with these scouts in average/sub top european team and then with average and bad players? Not sure if it would make a difference, but it's also important for your scouts to recognise bad players.

@dhummel47 3 жыл бұрын

the recommendation might not only respect the feasibility of a transfer regarding transfer fees but also salary expectations. in my saves, just decent players with basically no more potential often get a high recommendation when the financial part of a putative deal is easy to handle. I would like to know if the scouts also consider the club expectations. if the board just wants you to finish mid-table, an average player (in respect to the league you play in) that is very cheap is obviously a good signing. club culture (e.g. sign and develop young players to then sell them with a huge profit) might also affect the recommendation?

@manedwolf815 3 жыл бұрын

would scouting have more effect if you were using attribute masking?

@jbetts4360 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if at a younger age there is more variability in terms of exactly how close to a player potential ability they can actually reach. Obviously as a player gets older and other factors ( training, injuries, play time etc...) come in this increases/ decreases that top ability that the scout thinks the player can reach out of their potential ability. This is then framed within the general ability of the team scouting them.

@rejectwokeness1314 3 жыл бұрын

I noticed that a scout with higher attributes can uncover the player's attribute faster than a scout that have lower attributes. Not sure if my observation is valid though

@zakrulzs 3 жыл бұрын

What if you scouted players that the 3 teams had 0% knowledge on? maybe the bad scout gets assistance from the clubs prior knowledge and that impacts his report. Like all 5 players were somewhat known to those clubs beforehand. It would be interesting to see them scout the same 5 obscure south american players and see what they come back with.

@andrewsutherland7913 3 жыл бұрын

It wonder if looking through the coach reports for your team and comparing the reports of coaches with various judging scores would be a decent test?

@newgoogleplussux2802 3 жыл бұрын

Possibly do the experiment with 3 scouts from the same team (maybe cloned) if possible? I feel like that would be a better control.

@deserter85 3 жыл бұрын

Can you please make a video on player descriptions? Like what makes a cultured, explosive, commanding, enthusiastic etc. I can never understand what they mean.

@natalkumar6132 3 жыл бұрын

Florian Wirtz. And please give tips and strategies for mobile FM21 , don't have a fast laptop.

@DarrenCassey 3 жыл бұрын

Is it better to keep your scouts in the same region year after year or switch them every now and then? Or does it not matter?

@Ren_1090 3 жыл бұрын

It’s better to have your scouts in a region of high familiarity to them. So if they have a good understanding of the region after looking for players there for years, then you have no reason to move them.

@716979827169 3 жыл бұрын

Wholesome intro

@kumbrainorshine 3 жыл бұрын

what if you scouted the player for longer, and added a DA, does that change things

@danijelpil 3 жыл бұрын

Might be able to judge a player but can the 1 rated scout find me the next Messi? Would be fun to see if you send the tree scouts to the same regen to see witch targeted they found after 1 week, 1 month, and 1 year.

@bentn13 3 жыл бұрын

you could do one of these with like 50 players, and make a whole excel with all of it, and maybe also see if different scouts from the same team looking at the same player improves the overall knowledge, and maybe including looking at players from countries that one of the teams has no knowledge on the country.

@mikefredson 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe part of the variation in the different player reports has something to do with their ability to reach that potential; so even though players had the same PA, one might not ever reach it, and they get rated lower because of it. And the top scout puts that information together better?

@trevorfrancis5045 3 жыл бұрын

I feel as though the difference in star rating at the same club could be position Sancho has to compete with sterling and marhez where as demir may have been compared to gabriel jesus meaning that the stars might not be in a vacuum of potential but relative to the team by position. So being a 5 star winger on a team with a great attack but poor defense will be harder than a 5 star CB on the same team.

@googleforcedhandle 3 жыл бұрын

Shouldn't the 3 scouts be on the same team? The stars will change according to the club

@aldojuan1985 3 жыл бұрын

My guess is the main difference in scouting is how well they do their assignment (i.e. find me first team players in eastern europe) - when scouting a single player, it's probably not that important who the individual scout is, bc of team and league knowledge, etc

@Donpaull90 3 жыл бұрын

Just a thought, even though a player has a PA doesn't mean they will get to that level. Maybe the better scouts factors in their opinion on what max level the player is likely to get to, which could be more accurate.

@niks2392 3 жыл бұрын

It used to be a scout had to have 16 on judging ability to find out about consistency and injury susceptibility

@expeditiousgrim 3 жыл бұрын

Would scouts have different levels of accuracy based on their region knowledge? So would a scout with 100% knowledge of Brazil be able to more accurately judge a player from Brazil than someone with no knowledge of Brazil?

@danlehman4646 3 жыл бұрын

The way I have always interpreted regional knowledge was the ability to find players and how quickly a full report is compiled. The actual substance of the report shouldn't change, but it is FM so who knows.

@mohammedjibrin2362 3 жыл бұрын

What i would love to know is if their rating affects how quickly they can deliver the scout report

@danlehman4646 3 жыл бұрын

It may be useful to include some variable levels of player if you were to do this experiment again using the same club as others have suggested. Perhaps do some scale that goes up by 20 PA each player. So PA100, 120, 140, 160, 180. See if the level the player is expected to hit impacts the reports. I would like to see how the reports compare with sub-par players. I would like to see if the difference may be apparent on lower ability players. When using players with higher potential that all scouts know will be "great" moving forward it allows for less variation.

@chrisrowe5394 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe it makes more of a difference if you get the scout to do the in depth scouting where they watch matches and whatever? I know most people (myself definitely) only use the quick option

@richardmoore7542 3 жыл бұрын

As far as I'm aware the ability of the scout has more to do with the uncovering of the players attributes than it does the report card. If you scout a completely unknown player with a bad scout you get a scale, ie. passing 10-16 where as a better scout will give you a number ie. passing 14

@Icetuga1 3 жыл бұрын

I am very positive that the only real difference of better rated scouts is how fast they can get you a full report, and that they factor in the probability how likely the players are to reach their full potential. So if the potential star rating is high it is very likely that the hidden attributes like professional and so on are very high too. The star ratings how everyone knows by now is they don´t give you the full picture of how high it will be, so if there is a 5 star rated guy it can be still a 150pa max guy but one that is very likely to get there. The same scout can give you a 4 star potential report for a guy that is 170pa max but don´t have very good hidden attributes to easily reach that.

@mlevko 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Zealand. The experiment is quite interesting, however, there might be a difference in what players exactly you scout. All of the players that you listed have a bigger reputation/popularity, and a bad scout can gain the general info since it is out there, people are talking about it. The difference between the scouts and a showcase of their skills might be tested on the unknown players, that are not popular. A good scout should show better results in terms of working from scratch. You can test it as well

@hspeedful 3 жыл бұрын

Have you thought about testing it the other way around? Same idea with low, medium, high scout but try with a few high potential, medium potential, and low potential players and see if they can identify accurately?

@hspeedful 3 жыл бұрын

Thinking about it, to be thorough, the way to do it would be: 2-3 players of 'high' potential who play the same position and role (premier league potential?) 2-3 players of 'medium' potential " " (championship potential?) 2-3 players of 'low' potential " " (sky bet one/two?) Good, Medium rear, and Bad scout on the same team so that team ability/need/want/reputation and all other variables should be the same (correct? did I miss anything?) and it should just be the difference in scout ability on their reports.

@connortheandroidsentbycybe7740 3 жыл бұрын

Could the bad scout be getting basically accurate scout reports by being around elite level scouts? Maybe try again with one at a Elite level club with elite level scouts, one at a middling club with middling scouts (say, in the championship) and one in the dregs (league 2, say)

@Eibarwoman 3 жыл бұрын

Or let's say Barca, Segunda Division, and a Segunda B semi-pro side (think Portugalete etc.)

@connortheandroidsentbycybe7740 3 жыл бұрын

@@Eibarwoman aye, that works too

@GraTaylor 3 жыл бұрын

that is ridiculous that the actual ratings don't matter for the scouts... you'd feel like that is something to take to Sports Interactive to get them to look at, because otherwise what is the point in having stats for your recruitment staff? great video

@Embetebe 3 жыл бұрын

The way I understood it with no solid evidence to back this up is that the good scout would see Sancho's PA is 175, it would then randomly do a +/- of (say) 5% and then make a judgement on the basis of that. Meanwhile the poor scout would see the 175 and then randomly do a +/- of (say) 20% and then make a judgement on the basis of that. Hence depending on the randomness depending on the ability of the scout then sometimes the poor scout gets it "more" right than the consistent good scout but is also as likely to get it "more" wrong". The way you would test this is to start a save where the club has 3 Good scouts, 3 average scouts and 3 poor scouts and then run the experiment 9 times with a different scout each time. And then compare the differences in reports from each level of scouting skill. I suspect the poor scouts will be less in agreement with each other than what the good scouts will be.

@jeroen12345678901234 3 жыл бұрын

PA and CA also don't always fully correlate to actual ability. Having a lot of stats doesn't automatically means they have the best distribution. A guy with 150 can be a better player(even in attributes than a 170 guy just because they have better distribution of their attributes. But in general scouting tries to add in probability of a guy reaching his max level and the price it costs to acquire him and what is already there into the recomendation number. I have no winger on my team and almost all winger get rated higher than better players in other positions.

@slokane 3 жыл бұрын

when i skout player i always check,wich (if)clubs want them.if its a club like barcelona,real,psg,man city etc then its a go for me.works 8 out 10 times to be a goo dplayer

@harpake 3 жыл бұрын

1. Anyone can identify a diamond, not many can identify a diamond in the rough 2. Nuance, a top scout might be able to project exactly what would be his best role star rating if he reached full potential, even if two players had the same PA that can be different 3. Bad scouts will probably think a youngster might have more upside than he does. Especially if the youngster is looking promising for his age, yet lacking in PA. And vice versa. 4. How does a scout identify talent. Say they're tasked with finding the best talent from a league, what would the results look like

@GianDedin 3 жыл бұрын

I ever have the feeling that the grade given to a player in the report is based in the possibility of a transfer/value/salary relative to your team. I always set my list of players based on the PA of the players and never by the score given in the report, because my team could improve and the score could be higher or lower from one year to another. Yet, the interest in a transfer to my team affects a lot the score, so a player that recently sign a new contract will have a lower score in the report. Resuming: the only thing I consider in a report is the CA, the PA and the hidden atributes avaliation.

@GianDedin 3 жыл бұрын

A good scout also brings you a better evaluation on the value of a player and the salary that he might ask for

@akshitdasgupta7079 3 жыл бұрын

this happened today. i sent my best scout to check this guy federico elbe out (argentine kid playing for estudiantes). he comes back with the report the day spurs sign him. turns out he has 17 drubbling, 18 first touch, 16 technique and 17 pace at 19 years old and i could have gotten him for 5 million. Pain

@franpotok4054 3 жыл бұрын

You should try with regens

@Veaseify 3 жыл бұрын

The further away a players CA is from their PA, the less accurate the scout reports are. Even if the player is only 17 and has a PA of 150, if their CA is less than 100 the scout will usually say 'unlikely to improve the quality of your squad' or something similar. We only consider this to be a mistake because we can look up every players actual PA in the game. The AI controlling the Scout only gets a glimmer of this called the Perceived Potential Ability, there are very few scouts in the game that can get close to the real number. Also it used to be the case that if you didn't pay for the right Scouting Package then your scout ratings would also be adversely affected.

@brocephus1107 3 жыл бұрын

Reputation is big with scouts if you have them scouting in support of a transfer. Declare interest in a player then have your most reputable scout watch their games and you'll likely see a boost in your ability to sign that stubborn player

@harrierjames7727 3 жыл бұрын

How about scouting with national teams? Always seems to cause me problems!

@JerryTheDinoKnight07 3 жыл бұрын

where did you find the Ca and PA NUMBERS?

@Ren_1090 3 жыл бұрын

The CA and PA are hidden attributes that you can check using the editor.

@JerryTheDinoKnight07 3 жыл бұрын

@@Ren_1090 thaaaanks, which I can do where? From the side menu?

@Ren_1090 3 жыл бұрын

@@JerryTheDinoKnight07 The editor is an add on you need to have bought (like $5 or so to get it). You also need to start a new save with it enabled in order to use it in game, but you can also use it to modify in-game databases which you can then turn on when you start new games.

@leafs9328 3 жыл бұрын

Why are the roman numerals in different colors? I might need to get my eyes checked but Im pretty sure they're different colors

@vaaggasje 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry to say this but I think you do need to go to an opticien

@anujpandit3924 11 ай бұрын

Does the scout's own age have an effect?

@wagwanbennydj6003 3 жыл бұрын

Legend in the game z

@PinchePerroMetiche 3 жыл бұрын

Why didn't you put the 3 scouts in the same team? 🤔

@Dylan-tm9zi 3 жыл бұрын

Zealand with the Glazers Out campaign 🔰

@Anone_Anone 3 жыл бұрын

I tend to sign ex-player for staff, but the number who turn out as a scout without decent scout ability is too damn high, while also asking a premium wage 😅

@Draven.G 3 жыл бұрын

I just want to know which atributes they have and at what age, I dont give a F about stars and Ive been succesful so far in my 7 years of being a FM player

@yes2074 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on your doctorate, Dr Zealnd Shannon

@falagarius 3 жыл бұрын

Aren't the star ratings relative to the team? So if there are 3 different teams, not just the scout influences the difference in star ratings. Same with Locker room fit.

@ashleyfletcher8181 3 жыл бұрын

Is it not how quick they can scout the player?

@Dante-mr3rz 3 жыл бұрын

Potential ability should be dynamic. Like if you set a good training regiment and player has a great season his overall potential should go up. This issue has been around for more than a decade. I remember when Vardy and Lewandowski weren't good enough for english 3rd tier only to rocket to world class a year later.

@LOLCLIPsss Жыл бұрын

To make all this expirement more useful you should duplicate the same save and send different levels of scouts for each save but with the same team so you can make a fair comparation