FOR BEGINNERS - Part 1/2. Review of the Orion Short Tube 80 Telescope

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FOR BEGINNERS
The price has actually come down quite a bit since its introduction in the 1990s. The newest version(s) sell for well under $200, and some of those even include a mount! Orion sold the optical tube (OTA) only for as little as $109.
Early versions had a 6X30 finder and generic eyepieces. Later versions came with a much better 8X40 finder and better Expanse eyepieces, usually 20 mm and 6 mm, and sometimes they even threw in a case. The later versions are preferred if you can find them. Also check Orion's "Clearance" section for bargains.
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@ErikCrowKrahe 3 жыл бұрын

He seems like such a nice guy. I wish I had him as an astronomy mentor as a kid. Those are some lucky school children.

@jongoldsby 3 жыл бұрын

I have read and wrote Mr Ting for years. I have just discovered this KZfaq channel. It was good to actual hear Mr. Ting. I couldn't hit the subscribe button fast enough. And piano stuff too? what a boon.

@elizabethtorres6069 2 жыл бұрын

The last five hours, I have been watching your videos. Thank you for sharing your honest expertise on the Orion Short Tube 80. I am a beginner and your videos were quite informative. I just need to find one I can afford, and hopefully not have any missing pieces. Thank you Mr. Ting

@aemrt5745 3 жыл бұрын

These are great scopes, and not just for beginners. I have been an amateur since 1979 and bought a used one a couple years ago. They are a great grab and go scope. Also wonderful for wide field views. I used it for comet Neowise and it was perfect! It is also good for basic photography. I got an early version, and did exactly what Ed said. Changed over to the ring assembly.

@freeman10000 2 жыл бұрын

I had an early version too and the plastic base broke. However, these 80mm short tubes are fantastic scopes.

@caseynicholson9190 2 жыл бұрын

Im new to astronomy and really enjoy your videos. Ive learned a lot! Thank You!

@squeakyeyes_ 3 жыл бұрын

I did exactly what you described in the beginning if this video. Came across this by searching for astronomy telescopes for beginners. I enjoy milky way photography with a DSLR and am looking to move on to telescope type photography. Cool channel, glad I found it!

@ryanyoder7573 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent presentation and explanation in your videos. I’m very surprised you are below 1k subscribers. I find your explanations extremely helpful for people new to telescopes like me.

@bobbailey7235 3 жыл бұрын

Perfect in every way possible-Thank you!

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for your nice comments!

@SpaceFactsWax 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. I had the chance to witness a rocket launch in 2018. Amazing experience. I shared a pretty fun video of the trip to my channel.

@billmartz4290 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Ed. Cheers!

@Justfishcatches 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ed, I just ordered a short tube 80.

@patrickfrancoeur2688 3 жыл бұрын

Thank You Ed!

@nvspace126 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this review - I just received my Orion as my first scope and your video was the tipping point. The dobs didn't pass the wife factor, so the Orion seems to be a good second option. I went into Astronomy thanks to my photography...so I'm already breaking your recommendation in the follow-up video (but I'll focus on visual for now).

@timothyliban8003 Жыл бұрын

Where yo buy orion telescope

@bawattsyl 3 жыл бұрын

My first scope was the Orion tabletop starblast 6" dob. (Was gifted to me) It was ok, but as a taller person, it was hard taking it out into the field without dragging some kind of table or stand along too..That was ok, the real issue was the plastic 1.25" focuser. Very cheap, and was hard to achieve focus at times. It also ended up breaking..ironically right after the warranty expired. 😅 the red dot finder it came with was also useless. I swapped it out for a right angle erect image finder scope. Night and day difference..For me on a dob, they are much more practical. Just my opinon;) Those red dot finders are often very cheap, unreliable and temperamental... At least in my experience. Several of our club members never stop ranting about how bad they are.. even though they no longer have one 😅🙃 overall it was a nice first scope, but I grew out of it very fast. If it had come with a better focuser , I would have gotten more use out of it.. it's Definitely a great option for kids, or younger people looking to get into the hobby.., or for people who plan on using it for occasional views off a balcony, or someplace with a guaranteed sturdy table or stand to put it on. . . Ironically, I was able to get a lot of use out of the base..( with a few modifications.) I used it primarily to have a viewing station on my balcony with some smaller scopes I've had.. anyway, Thanks for all your videos! Always a pleasure to watch!

@andjesussaid2343 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this vid, I bought the Orion ST 80 today, based on your recommendation, I wanted a bigger scope but decided to go with this one to see if I enjoyed astrophotography enough to buy a super expensive scope

@Jami3UK 2 жыл бұрын

Hey! 8 months on, what do you think of this model? Any good?

@andjesussaid2343 2 жыл бұрын

@@Jami3UK Its a very good beginner scope, maybe the best! I found I wanted more very quickly! lol But if you just want to gaze at the moon, planets & occasional deep sky object, its great. I've since moved up & bought a Celstron 8 inch, but its an investment. Good luck!

@Jami3UK 2 жыл бұрын

@@andjesussaid2343 Thanks for the reply! I'm interested in making my first purchase of a telescope but it's mind boggling all the different varieties, even with Ed's help! lol.

@andjesussaid2343 2 жыл бұрын

@@Jami3UK Confusing is an understatement my friend! The vid I linked also helped me, this guy gets more out of less than anyone I've seen! If I recall he also highly recommends the Orion ST 80 for beginners like us. Its an expensive hobby for sure, that's why I liked the Orion, it lets you see if you really like astronomy before you drop big bucks. Let me know what you do! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hMddlKWZyMXLhI0.html

@rodneyjohnson4794 Жыл бұрын

a year later- i sent amazon's back and got a complete one from orion. what it didn't come with was the case to ed's right. at present i'm using a craftsman plastic toolbox from lowe's with a padded case inside re- purposed from a breathing machine. for the accessories i'm using a long discontinued lowe pro padded camera case. the mount is.....usable, but i'd like a e.s. first light nano.

@AmatureAstronomer 10 ай бұрын

Just bought a Gskyer short tube 80mm achromat grab and go. Only cost a couple hundred dollars. It looks exactly like the Orion Ed has there, except I use a 90 degree 9x50 spotting scope and I mount it on a Sky Watcher AZ GTi go to mount. With my Canon T2i, entire rig only weighs 14.5 pounds.

@freeman10000 2 жыл бұрын

These 80mm short tubes are fantastic scopes but they perform the best at lower magnification. They are at their best until about 80 times magnification (5mm eyepiece). Above 80x the image starts to go soft. The good news is that at lower powers the views through the telescope are fabulous and even at 80x that is enough to show the four largest moons of Jupiter and its major cloud bands as well as Saturn and it's rings.

@davidmuth4571 3 жыл бұрын

Whatever scopes I have in my collection, the 80mm short tube gets the most use. I used to tell people it would take $500 for a starter scope. Now that price is $150.

@MiguelAriasS 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Mr. Ting. Excellent videos. Have you an opinion of the Sarblue Planet Mate 60mm Maksutov telescope? Please.

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, what a find! That looks...interesting. If you get that, let us know how you like it...

@slider6177 Жыл бұрын

Hey Ed! Great info. I have a question for you. I have a Sky Watcher Star Adventurer 2i with a pretty half decent tripod from Amazon and a Canon Rebel DSLR camera. I really want to just try a beginner set up... is this Orion ST able to be used with my Sky Watcher? Cheers from Kelowna, B.C.

@jansolanafernandez3008 3 жыл бұрын

I recently recived my Orion Short Tube 80, i'm using a camera tripod and a fluid head, compact and portable setup. So I decided to try it at home, and although I lived ina very light polluted city i was amazed by the view of the moon. Best thing i've done in my life, I'm even more in love with space. Thanks, i followed your advice and i think this telescope and I will soon be best friends. Thanks again for sharing your love for astronomy.

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience!

@rbrtck Жыл бұрын

While choosing between a traditional finder and a red dot finder is largely a matter of personal preference, there are practical considerations, as well. Those who live under heavy light pollution, for example, would benefit more from having a traditional finder, through which so many more stars and other objects can actually be seen in comparison to using a red dot finder. Traditional finders are also more precise than red dot finders, which helps those whose telescopes are only capable of relatively narrow true fields of view. They help less with small, short telescopes that have relatively wide true fields of view.

@nikandbdog 2 жыл бұрын

I have a StarBlast 4.5 and I am thinking of going to the ST80 instead. I just find the images of Saturn and Jupiter are not sharp and lack detail. Would the ST 80 be a better choice?

@KitsuneCentral 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly Orion dosen't sell these new anymore. However, Meade does! Meade sells them as the Infinity 80 and Adventure Scope 80 if anyone is interested in buying one. They are the exact same scope, same factory, just a different paint job and Meade's name slapped on them.

@jongroubert4203 3 жыл бұрын

Yup, as an owner of an ST80 and an employee in a scope store, I can confirm this - the Meade is EXACTLY the same as the ST80.

@southbronxny5727 3 жыл бұрын

Orion still sells it under a new name....the CT80.

@superIuminaI 3 жыл бұрын

@@southbronxny5727 Unfortunately the CT80 is of lower build quality, it has a plastic focuser and dewshield

@Null_Vampyrr 3 жыл бұрын

From what I can see ST80 is back on their website now.

@allnamesaretaken 3 жыл бұрын

Skywatcher Startravel-80T has better accessories than the Meade Adventure scope and costs the same. You need your own tripod but then the Meade version tripod is junk, a cheap Zomie Q111 or M6 tripod works well with any ST80.

@ramaswamyve 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Ed.. Fantastic content and delivery on your channel. I like the matter of fact approach and your dry humour makes it enjoyable! One query: what are your thoughts on Zhumell Z100 4” Altazimuth Reflector. I am in India and we have to import most brands which makes them 3x/4x costlier compare to their listed price, say in US. I have found a supplier for this Zhumell who is reliable and not hiking the price much - but I was not sure of the telescope per se.. any thoughts? I am a beginner.

@thestellarcorpse 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, i also live in india and kind of struggling to buy a budget telescope too but they're so expensive here in india if you could tell me more about your supplier i could get it too and yes it's a good scope but the primary mirror is fixed in zhumel z100 n thats a bit downside.. also i don't know if zhumel 100z parabolic or spherical primary mirror.. do let me know .. you can write me at rkk16s@gmail.com

@ramaswamyve 3 жыл бұрын

Sure.. will share the details with you.. the specs say parabolic.. and yes, the fixed primary is a downside, am hoping there is no shipment damage!

@endautrestermes 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Ed, would you recommend polarizing filters or contrast boosters in order to reduce diffraction on this scope? Thanks for all the advice !

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

No, we usually don't recommend that. Use the scope "au naturel".

@endautrestermes 3 жыл бұрын

@@edting thanks Ed !

@PARANOlDDROlD Жыл бұрын

Is the ST-80 comparable to the Celestron Powerseeker 80AZS? Or are there significant differences?

@Ben_the_Ignorant 3 жыл бұрын

The f/5 beam is tough on cheap eyepieces and the color spread is strong, so the f/7.5 beginner 80mm achros make more sense, and they cost 127€ at Teleskop Service.

@allnamesaretaken 3 жыл бұрын

Plossls work fine in f/5 telescopes and they can be bought cheap.

@genjim100 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Hmm this or a orion 120mm refractor??? Decisions decisions

@mitrovarr 3 жыл бұрын

I woukd say to decide mostly on how much you're willing to spend, and maybe a little on how much you want to carry. The ST120 is quite a lot better at everything except terrestrial observation than the ST80 (it has more aperture than you really want for terrestrial and the chromatic aberration becomes problematic). However, it is more expensive, expect to spend about $600 when you also buy a mount. And the whole kit is bigger - not very big overall, but the ST80 is kind of tiny and the ST120 is more of a medium size scope.

@genjim100 3 жыл бұрын

@@mitrovarr thank you for your input!

@jesusgarcia-xj2mz 3 жыл бұрын

Hello guys, I was recommend to buy the Celestron star sense 114mm through Best Buy. What do you guys think about that telescope? People say that it’s a great one for beginners but I want to explore more the sky, not just some clusters, nebulas, galaxies etc. lmk and thanks in advance

@allnamesaretaken 3 жыл бұрын

@@jesusgarcia-xj2mz The star sense 114mm is a bird jones telescope, they are best avoided. Whoever is telling you to buy it needs to stop advising people on telescopes.

@3dfxvoodoocards6 3 ай бұрын

For 200$ you can also buy a Skywatcher Evostar or Bresser 90/900 mm F10 achromat which certainly are much better than the 80 mm Orion short tube.

@steve3890 Жыл бұрын

Hey Ed. I’m looking at purchasing a used ST80 but am having trouble finding tube rings and a dovetail bracket like I see on yours. Can you point me in the right direction where I can purchase these? Thanks for your help Ed, I loved the videos, Steve

@edting Жыл бұрын

Check Orion's web site to see if they are still selling replacement rings and plates. Orion is shifting suppliers right now, so if they are out, you are going to have to venture into ebay or the used market.

@marita0827 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Ed thanks for all your videos, I was so far a month watching all infinites best or not best telescope and so on. I'm very interesting to watch the sky, but very disappointed with a lot of variety and differents reviews, those drive me crazy. Can you please make a video or a review for the best angled spotting?. I saw a video this guy make to the moon and was good using a celestron angled spotting scope. I would like to see if you had any good advice about it. tysm

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, we typically do not use spotting scopes for astronomy. I did an article about this on Scopereviews, you can check that out. Spotting scopes are optimized for birding and terrestrial viewing. For astronomy, the 45 degree angle and helical focusers become inconvenient, the correct-image prisms become unnecessary, and many spotting scopes do not allow you to change eyepieces.

@elizabethtorres6069 2 жыл бұрын

Mr. Ting is 100% correct, I wanted the best of both worlds, Terrestrial viewing as well as Planetary. Spotting Scopes did not work for me. It was either a Refractor or a compact Optical Tube like device, and I chose.. Since I'm just starting a Orion Star Max 90mm Cassegrain Table Top Telescope💕💕💕It was so cute, compact and the Lenses are interchangeable. Exactly what I NEEDED, something small enough to carry and strong enough to view, and at a price I could afford. Mr. Ting you are awesome, I have been going back and forth with your videos for about two month, and Ken from Orion Telescopes and Binoculars. Thank you sir, for I have a better knowledge of telescopes 🔭

@mperc1550 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video my ST 80 with an equatorial mount showed up last week. The 25mm eyepiece is excellent but the 10 isn’t. I plan on buying a Barlow would you have any suggestions for good eyepieces that don’t break the bank. I’m looking for something like a 15mm

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, low/mid priced 10 mm eyepieces are going to have similar issues. They tend to be small and "squinty". Barlowing the 25 mm might be a better solution. For comfortable eyepieces in the 10-15mm range, you're going to have to spend some money, so think carefully before doing so.

@mperc1550 3 жыл бұрын

@@edting thanks

@darylcheshire1618 3 жыл бұрын

Disconcerting where he cuts frames and he suddenly moves to a new position. I don’t know what pros doabout this?

@natem7440 3 жыл бұрын

What about an 8 inch dovetail instead of Rings? I'm wondering why that wouldn't work? Bolted on to the scope it should be sturdy, or not?

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

You'll find the rings more versatile in the long run. Putting a plate on the bottom will work on paper, but every time you have to attach or remove it you'll likely have to disassemble the scope to get at the mounting nuts inside.

@subhashrao9664 3 жыл бұрын

Ed could you please give me your advice and review of the skywatcher BK 1025eq1 telescope and skywatcher BK 1309eq2 telescope. I'm looking for buying my first scope and priorities are max aperture, ease of use, portability and low maintenance. Budget is about 400 USD. I stay in a city with light moderate pollution.

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, those look like variations of Chinese-branded stuff we sometimes see here in the US. Both of those seem OK. If you cannot find a 6" or 8" Dobsonian reflector where you live, they should be acceptable alternatives. $400 USD for those seems a bit high, but I don't know what the exchange rates are where you live. Hope this helps.

@eonsprite6109 Жыл бұрын

What kind of tripod would you need for this? Because it doesnt come with one.

@FizzleNickel Жыл бұрын

i have a question @Ed Ting for the Orion short tube 80-A Telescope which will be the best high zoom eye piece accessory for this particular scope and that is compatible and where to buy it on the Orion website?

@edting Жыл бұрын

I do not care for zoom eyepieces myself. Those things never seem right. The cheap ones have the maddening changes in their field of view.

@pauljohnmarcelino2121 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Mr. Ting. I've been wanting to get this Orion Short Tube 80 but I would like to know what do you think of the Orion 10022 StarMax 90mm TableTop Maksutov-Cassegrain or Apex 102mm, compared to the ST80? Do you have any videos of any StarMax Mak-Cas telescopes? What would you recommend as a beginner scope? Thank you.

@jamesrodgers3664 2 жыл бұрын

Not speaking for Ed, but getting both would not be a mistake. I bought my ST80 back in the mid 90’s and still use it regularly. Today was putting my solar filter onto it and did some sunspot watching (never attempt this without a solar filter!). I also have a mak and they are both used a lot. Two different scopes for different purposes. The mak is a planet and moon specialist. The ST80 is a sky sweeper and open cluster (such as the Pleiades) scope, and I use it daytime with a prism diagonal. Together, they cover everything a beginner could want.

@digvijaynilekar9046 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Ed, I am a fan of astronomy from India. I am using Nikon 10x50 Binoculars with a camera tripod for stargazing for around 2 year now. I am sure now that I want to get into the hobby. I have a tight budget. I can afford only upto Rs. 40,000/-. As you always suggest the Orion Short Tube 80 and Orion XT8 Dob model, I am confused between the two. In India Short tube 80 is available for around 26,000/- and XT8 for 38,000/- Which one should I buy ? Storage space is not an issue for me. Please guide me through. Thank you. And yes, I really appreciate your work in astronomy and love your videos. Please keep uploading new videos. All the best.

@edting 2 жыл бұрын

No contest here - get the XT8. If the prices are this close where you are, don't even think about getting the Short Tube 80. Get the XT8!

@digvijaynilekar9046 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much sir. 🙏🙏🙏😇😇😇

@terryjones8360 Жыл бұрын

Hi Ed. Complete newbie here and I have two questions. The image is backward or upside down in some telescopes, is this one of those? Also is this good for terrestrial viewing as well? Thanks and love your videos.

@edting Жыл бұрын

For terrestrial viewing, you need something called a spotting scope. It's beyond what we do here and I don't know much about them. As for correcting astronomical telescope views that are upside down and/or backwards, you can do it...sometimes. It gets complicated depending on the optical design of the scope.

@terryjones8360 Жыл бұрын

@@edting thanks so much! Your expertise is appreciated.

@karmatologist 3 жыл бұрын

Hello, Mr Ting. Would you recommend this over the Celestron starsense 80? They’re similarly priced and I wasn’t sure if one would be better than the other.

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, I don't care for that series.

@karmatologist 3 жыл бұрын

@@edting good to know. Thanks for responding.

@naturewatcher7596 3 жыл бұрын

It would be helpful for beginners to see example pictures of what and how well you can see through this scope - how sharp and detailed are they, can you see some planet features (rings, stripes) or they just look like white blobs? As I understand the good beginner telescope should be able to show you a well focused images of bright objects - the planets will be tiny, but well focused, so you can see such features like stripes, rings and satellites. Can you do a comparison of a department store scope like Emarth Telescope Travel Scope 70mm/360mm with similar Orion? It would be very helpful. Thank you.

@MrDalgard 3 жыл бұрын

astrobiscut on youtube have a vid of it, Only its the sky watcher 80mm

@springbloom5940 3 жыл бұрын

Ill just get them this cheap one, to see if they'll even use it...

@myfishingadventures1509 3 жыл бұрын

Do u think a power seeker 127eq is a good beginning telescope

@rbrtck Жыл бұрын

NO! Absolutely not!

@MikeLikesChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Can I mount this little dude to my Celestron NexStar SE mount? I feel like it’d be fun to give it some GoTo ❤️

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I do that all the time. And at only 400 mm focal length the NexStar looks like a genius.

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

Be sure the diagonal clears the base when the scope is pointed at the zenith. Push the tube up as far as it will go. If you have the smaller of the two NexStars it may not fit.

@MikeLikesChannel 3 жыл бұрын

@@edting I have a 6SE which I think is the larger of the two. I’ll check to make sure it doesn’t crash into the mount at the zenith for sure. I think I can set a limiter to prevent it 👍

@kle2217 Жыл бұрын

Is it best to get the 80-T version for terrestrial viewing as well as stargazing? Essentially both versions are the same? Thx

@edting Жыл бұрын

I'd just get the astro version. The T version comes with a cheap 45 degree erect image diagonal. Those things are awful.

@kle2217 Жыл бұрын

@@edting Thank you! The Astro version would still allow me to view terrestrial without the need for the 45 deg attachment? Won’t the 90 degree site still show a mirror/ flipped image? Thx

@MrTyroneweaver Жыл бұрын

I have the ST80 I've thought of putting a 2 inch diagonal and eyepiece in it. Is that possible and can you recommend a product

@edting Жыл бұрын

No, the Short Tube 80 comes equipped only with a 1.25" visual back.

@robertsonsid 11 ай бұрын

Cloudy Nights discusses 2in focuser upgrade.

@rngmstrdan 2 жыл бұрын

How easy is this scope to lug around? could I summit a mountain with it on my back? I'm about 2 hours from the Shenandoah Valley and figure I'd take the kids on a stargazing trip.

@edting 2 жыл бұрын

The scope isn't bad, but what you'll find is the mount could be cumbersome (this is true of all scopes). Mounts that hold telescopes steady are not light or easy to transport.

@rashie 3 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@jimpoop 3 жыл бұрын

That picture of you with all that gear.... God is that a Tak fc 76 as a guide scope on a huge astrophysics Starfire.... And I don't even know what those huge mounts are... Is all that equipment yours?

@edting 3 жыл бұрын

Haha, no not everything you see on the channel that is mine. The FC76 is fine, however.

@jomon723 2 жыл бұрын

My mother went to a department store when I was a kid and got a piece of junk, but got me started. The mount broke and I was heart broken

@charlessands6933 3 жыл бұрын

I assume part two of this video is not av3silsvle yet?

@blutey 3 жыл бұрын

It's here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hMylh5icutDUiIk.html

@k.h.1587 3 жыл бұрын

I see that epsilon 130

@johnpen269 Жыл бұрын

Sadly this telescope goes for 220$ where i live so thats 2x the price

@quinnishappy5309 2 жыл бұрын

I bet Ed Ting is great with Eve rye Ting to do with Ed i Ting to do with astrophotography

@rodneyjohnson4794 3 жыл бұрын

this is ALL YOUR FAULT!!! i bought one last night on amazon. it was ON SALE!!! orion does NOT show it on sale, ?? now, this is the 'strip' model, i.e. no eyepieces, no mount, no finder, no 45 or 90 degree diagonal. but, this is a good thing for me because i'm not paying for anything i don't want or is of less quality than i want. i'm going to get a zoom eyepiece (i'm thinking a 7mm to 21mm), no quick finder, a better diagonal, an adjustable neutral density filter, and a 1/4"" x 20 mount.

@CHardy09 Жыл бұрын

That’s what happens when you buy things on Amazon