My question is: can I play 'vanilla' For Sale with this box, if I just don't use all of the components?

Whoops - never mind. Answered below!

I agree

Oh but the advisors are soooo good!

And the travel edition is 100% cuter :)

I just imported the Iello version myself- it’s so pretty!

If the game separated out the advisors as an expansion and everything was the same except the artwork it would probably get a higher review.

Cardboard box anyone?

Since they’re the lowest valued cards in the game, I’m guessing they’re never doled out to the winner of the bid, but are always given to someone who passes.

Exactly. Where is the manhole?!

Well for sale is 25. years older than nidavellir. I think it would make more sense to point out similarities to for sale in the nidavellir review, which they might have.

Disagree, makes the game a ton less intuitive. Original is a classic.

Played the original once, was enough for me (ok game); have played this version multiple times and enjoy it considerably more due to the advisors - they make the game for me.

Yes, you can easily play this with the original rules. Simply leave the advisors deck in the box and use the original rules

Yes it can! The advisors are listed as an expansion so you can play this game with the original For Sale rules, to my understanding

Your last sentence nails my point precisely. Some games can just be simple and incredibly fun!

@@DTChrisYi and some games can be more complex and fun. What's the point? It's just really weird that you guys are judging the game so harshly because it's more complex than the original. I have to imagine this review would be very different if you hadn't played the original. I think your take was more measured than Tom's tbf. Wanting to give the game a 1 is wild, even if he was likely being hyperbolic. Edit: I also am not sure you guys would be calling this game complex if it wasnt being compared to the original. I'm not saying y'all would like the game anymore, it's just some of these criticisms are weird to me. Tom seem legitimately annoyed that this existed. People who want something as light as For Sale still have that option and people who might want a step up now have an option as well. I think the concern that the name may dupe some people is legitimate, but a lot of the other stuff just seems 'don't mess with my stuff' to me.

@blakebush7661 You raise an interesting question: in a world where I haven't played For Sale before, how would I rate this? I likely wouldn't be as harsh on it. But that isn't my experience, so I honestly can't say. I do also have other games I could make comparisons to. For example, I think the three different phases of Autorama doesn't feel as tight as having 2 phases of play, like the trick-taking game Claim, based on the older German Whist, where the first round sets you up with the cards you will play for the second half. That's a great balance. Three phases doesn't feel as innately tight as 2, so I might still feel like the game is longer than it should be, or that the first phase feels disjointed from that nice balanced 2-phase gameplay you see elsewhere. That's a long-winded way of saying that we never review games in a vacuum. Hope that helps clarify a bit why we both chose to approach the review this way. Also, it's worth noting we didn't discuss our scores or our exact approach going into the review, so I think Tom and I actually both came in with a higher score than we expected each other to have.

@@DTChrisYi you certainly can't rewind time or delete any biases you may have due to past experiences, so I understand. I think where the review fell flat to me was that it seemed me that neither of you felt like this game should exist or fills any role. I don't think I agree. I think there are people who might want a more in depth game. I also think that the criticism of the three phases is a good one and while I know you mentioned it in the review it unfortunately was buried underneath all the talk about how this wasn't For Sale. I'm also surprised you both thought each would give it a lower rating as the ratings were fairly low already. I don't know your scale as well as Tom's but a 5 is not a good rating for him. That's usually what many of his games in the "I played this so you don't have to" series get.

You might as well call all the games with a huge social element boring - like poker - On the other hand people who like huge engine building euros with little interaction, then it's much cheaper to play a diverse puzzle/efficiency games on the PC as a solo player -ie don't have to find a group of people who understand the meta and have a reasonable ability- that's my opinion - but for those people when the play it might be really great experiences . I will give you the reason - as from your observations and reading can not comprehend - It's Fun - with a capital F - great for gamers and not gamers - skill will win out - but even the worst player will get a few wins - A real nice blend between luck and skill - games are short - everyone is involved 100% . As for luck element - you judge the win - if you have a bad deal - just finishing not to far behind is a win - Ie it's fun . I play games to socialise - if I wanted an individualistic reward - then designing a game would be so much more rewarding to me than playing one - as much more creative. Anyway rant over - you need to not be such a negative nelly - The game is not for you - it's too simple and boring - that does mean the game is simple or boring - there is some very good subtle strategies that many players never learn . I'm happy you find games you like - but your comment adds negativity - a simple For Sale is too simple for me , this variation will improve - but probably not for me - great you can download original rules - hope some of yous enjoy it

Tom did state his score for the original in the review. Also, we both did state we consider it pretty much perfect game, so you could guess it would be rather high. The way this particular box is sold, it's not a base game with a new expansion; it is a new base game so it got scored as one.

@@DTChrisYi I get that especially without the rules distinction in the box, but it still contains the base game with a new theme.

@@LuisMontes Alas, it doesn't contain the rules for the original game, so an owner cannot recreate the original game with new theme. An owner can download the original rules but if reviewers judged based on unofficial variants, it'd descend into arguments about selection of unofficial variants and publishers complaining their products are being judged on something that's nothing to do with them.

@@warmachineuk generally speaking, sure. This one is kind of a unique case. For Sale is 25 years old and extremely popular. Just not using the new phase isn't exactly a variant, it's just the original rules. The publisher obviously botched not explaining that in the printed rules, but does that oversight actually merit a 5 & 6 rating?

Yes it does.

Too much text decreases accessibility

@@Poiuytrew.Q That I can completely understand.

Autorama doesnt give you this option. THIS is stupid. Cant play the original one if you dont know it.

The way this product is sold, this is a new base game not an optional expansion. I specifically call out that the classic rules weren't included. That means we review it as a new base game. I stand by giving this one a 6 and the original a 9.