FORBIDDEN Overland Topic - 6 Payload Tricks

FORBIDDEN Overland Topic - 6 Payload Tricks - Overland Build Planning

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@jeromeburrasca6710 Жыл бұрын

Finally the video that EVERYONE needs to comprehend the safety risks they’re taking. Good job, it’s your best video. 😊

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Thanks… hopefully people actually watch it… it is one of those super important and inconvenient things.

@rossipremier Жыл бұрын

It may not be the flashiest subject, but this was a great breakdown on the subject and why it matters. Should be mandatory viewing. Im going to start a 4Runner soon and had an F150 previously, the f150 wasn't heavily modified, i did some napkin math on the major things, tent, rack, bedside, bed cover....it really adds up. But I never took it to the scales, but I will do that with the 4runner. Also... Sometimes passenger weight can be easier to shave than wait off the vehicle lol, got back into running and have dropped 20 lb since the beginning of the year, just saying there are many ways to attack that GVWR 😂

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

I love it... I had to do a bit of work on myself over the winter as well... Managed to drop 29 lbs 😬

@sonoranskyoutdoors Жыл бұрын

This is also important for people that want to tow as well. The hitch weight of the trailer has to also be within the payload rating. Some trailers within tow rating have a high hitch weight (like 800 lbs). Add coolers, passengers, and gear, and you’re way over. Just because it can tow 10,000 lbs doesn’t mean you have the payload for trailers up to 8-10k lbs. Do not trust your RV/camper dealer to keep you within specs.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

This is good advice. I feel like towing is almost its whole own video. It is a very misunderstood topic for sure.

@mikonrad Жыл бұрын

This has been a big consideration of mine in rig shopping. A bit of a wrinkle on this subject - in digging around the overlanding forums, I came across a document from New Mexico Fire Dept suggesting any off road driving should limit to 85% of max payload. The concept makes sense when you're in situations of unusual load bearing with one or more tires off the ground. I could see these OEM payload calculations made primarily during normal driving on paved roads. Entertaining threads out there on this subject; payload really is an afterthought (find the thread "Challenge: How Obese is Your Rig" :). IMO, full size trucks, especially higher-trimmed crew-cabs, really take a hit on payload.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

If you are thinking about it already… you are ahead of the game. Definitely the high end packages eat a ton of payload.

@andrewr5203 Жыл бұрын

Well done mate! Here in Australia, remote touring means we often need to carry extra fuel and a lot of water - so these issues can be even sharper. Not enough people talk about it!

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

When I do Baja Trips I have to carry both and it eats into my Payload SO much… Water is so heavy I never carry water for showers… just for food and hydration.

@beachtaco Жыл бұрын

great video on payload. i think it's one of the most overlooked topics in vehicle ownership. it's funny how many people weigh they vehicle and don't understand how they are over their payload/gvwr with some simple bolt-ons and camping gear. it all effects how your rig drives, handles, brakes, wear & tear, etc. just because you have HD coils/springs or air bags, doesn't mean you can technically carry more.

@thelandcruiserproject Жыл бұрын

Well done on this video. Great information and hopefully people will start to get the message. Maybe Toyota will also listen and build and sell trucks in the USA with adequate payload.

@josephschlaerth3384 Жыл бұрын

Great video!. I replaced most of my tools with a Leatherman and extra bits, removed both back seats, aluminum skids, stayed with factory tire size BFGKO2s, and passed on a 250 lb winch/front bumper. I'm still close to the Tundra's max payload. I try to keep the 38 gal gas tank half full when going off-road. If something breaks or I get stuck, I'll call for help.

@terrarecon Жыл бұрын

Great job and video talking about the elephant in the room we ignore the entire time we own our rigs. It needed to be said, and it should be talked about more often.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Thanks, its definitely an annoying topic... but I keep learning that if I strive for a light build... ultimately I enjoy the simplicity and obviously the ride quality and lower mechanic bills.

@terrarecon Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto truer words bro, Truer words!

@anorakadventures Жыл бұрын

I like that you kept this short and sweet and the topic light (pun intended). I think you should do a whole series of videos on it. There's so much to talk about from axle capacities to each part in the payload chain, and my favorite... 'geometry' of where weight is added. My other favorite topic is how more weight performs on different terrain (lookin at 3/4 ton and 1 ton guys here who love to say, just carry 10k, instead of carrying less)

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Ha lol 😂 yeah I was going to cover towing related stuff with tongue weight… and that would have made this longer than Avatar… so I decided to cut it shorter’ish 😳

@Russianmafia10 5 ай бұрын

I weighed my Tacoma in daily driving form, 33 inch tires, front end rear bumper, winch, sliders, prinsu rack, misc gear I keep in the vehicle, empty bed, and myself in the driver seat and I was already over the 5600 pound GVWR. Given I've seen Tacomas with these mods along with full skids and a canopy and tent weigh at like 8k pounds with no issues, I think I'll be fine.

@Kristian_Saile Жыл бұрын

This topic is especially important given that some of the most popular overland platforms in NA have really awful payload and I see them so grossly over payload all the time I just shake my head. I think the Overlanding principles video that Scott Brady did really covers it well and it’s true, if you have done it long enough you realize you don’t need so much superfluous stuff, especially if your goal is travel. A couple of extra points to consider too, if you are over your GVWR and involved in an accident, even if not your fault, you can be found liable or not covered by your insurance. Secondly, as it is pretty popular now, pulling a trailer, that tongue weight gets subtracted out of your GVWR. Additional you need to look at your GCVWR and your towing cars it y to make sure you are good in both areas. As a single dude traveling a lot in Land Cruisers in my 20’s and 30’s payload wasn’t a big deal, especially since I preferred more simple systems for accommodations. Now with 3 kids and a family of 5 we pumped up to a rig with a 9,500lb GVWR and over 2000lbs of payload (an e350 Sportsmobile diesel) so as to not have to be overly concerned about what we bring. Still though, we keep a super simple, yet functional kit and don’t resort to festooning the outside and top of the rig with gear. That’s with 5 people, all of our food, till kit, recovery gear, hiking, and mountain biking gear. It takes thought and planning and having a serious discussion about what you actually need. If your goal is to have a small city deployed when you camp, we’ll that’s your jam I guess but there is so much you can do without and still be comfortable. Getting rid of things is freedom. Spend more time doing stuff rather than setting up and breaking down camp is a good frame of mind.

@heismyrefuge1027 Ай бұрын

Good vid, I have always kept weight in mind. I have front rear bumpers and a rack leer topper drawers and bed platform with minimal gear otherwise. My gwvr is 6600 and weighed in at 6380. Thing is I still have sliders to add and my winch. It will definitely be close. I have upgraded with bigger brakes and all around suspension. It drives nice and handles weight well. I also regeared and added locker in rear. The regear also helps get up to speed like I never added weight. I do plan on gusseting other things to strengthen the truck more.

@ensatlantic 11 ай бұрын

very good, detailed and necessary video. Should be watched by all overlanders before they build or even buy a truck

@OutdoorAuto 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching... definitely a video I hope people share with their friends... this stuff gets lost so fast cause there is so much cool gear.

@DBCoffroad Жыл бұрын

🤣 I'm at this exact point right now. I wish the Overland 101 manual would have said start as light as possible BEFORE buying all the gear. Thanks for the video!

@alexs825 Жыл бұрын

It’s apparent you’re not an engineer! That’s all I thought about when I started the build

@warrenhunts Жыл бұрын

Really, everyone needs to watch this. IHMO an important reason that Toyotas are reliable is because they're designed with big safety margins. But if you drive hard off-road (in any vehicle) you're eating deep into your vehicle's safety margins. If you're at or above your vehicle's GVWR and you drive hard off-road.... you should expect you're going to break things even in a Toyota. I went up to an F250 due to payload considerations for my hunting/overlanding truck. I prefer the peace of mind of being well below my GVWR and so when I push it off road Im a bit less likely to break something vs being overloaded in a half ton. But even with more room in my payload, I still have to be super weight conscious. Lbs add up quickly.

@junodog113 4 ай бұрын

thank you! for this video! Struggling to plan a build and stay within the limits..

@TrashPandaGarage Жыл бұрын

Great discussion in this video. The only thing I would add is that many manufacturers include the weight of a full tank of gas in their GVWR. So if you don't fill up your tank before you weight it, you might be getting a false reading. I have a 2022 Chevy Colorado. I called Chevrolet customer service about this. They confirmed that full fluids are included in the GVWR, and that this is actually captured in the owner's manual. P.S. This payload vehicle just got you a new subscriber :)

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Can you imagine if it didn’t include a full tank of gas… we would be doomed. Great call out. Thanks for watching and subscribing.

@Crumb_Trails Жыл бұрын

Payload has been my primary concern when choosing a vehicle purchase. There have been some great vehicles out there that I've stayed away from because i KNOW I'm going to max out or exceed the payload. Then I plan on towing my rv and I don't want to have to take off my bed cap or RTT to axing for tongue weight. And I've found that payload numbers are very difficult to come by if your truck isn't built yet. Thank you for making this video. Payload is disregarded by so many people.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Your point on Payload being hard to know until the truck is built is a HUGE deal. At most dealerships they just quote the "advertised" numbers which are never close to accurate. Good luck on your build.

@ADanNeedsAName Жыл бұрын

You may not get a ton of views according to some but this has been good info, thanks!

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Yeah... I feel like it was just a video that needed to be made for people that were actually looking.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

HAPPY FATHERS DAY DADS!

@inqufox1750 Жыл бұрын

Fun fact one of the only vehicles in know in the US (not Australia) that can be straight "upgraded" for more payload would most likely be the Nissan frontier, the frame, rear axel and a lot of the drive line are the same as the titan, its bigger brother. So by doing the "titan swap" technically yeah the frame, axels, suspension, brakes and such can technically carry what the titan can, you can even put the VQ56 into the frontier with OEM parts and everything its actually kinda crazy its like a legit lego car. But obviously weather its considered what the Australians call a GVM upgrade is debatable.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

I am a big fan of Titan swapping Xterras… the whole Titan swap thing is a hidden gem of Nissan

@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw Жыл бұрын

I think some Ford F-150's can be had with a heavy duty payload package

@dixonbuttes6564 Жыл бұрын

A+ on this video. It’s super important! Your points about overland gear are also on point!

@MegaJrjohnson Жыл бұрын

Great video and info. Going tomorrow to get my ride weighted

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Hopefully you do better than me 😳

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Hopefully you do better than me 😳

@Russianmafia10 5 ай бұрын

Australia is kinda cool where you can legally increase your payload with heavier suspension and such

@takenpictures Жыл бұрын

I don't run extra lights on my truck. I like to find camp and get a beer in my hand two hours before sunset. If I'm still on the trail after dark, I have bigger problems than no aux lighting.

@gatordunn Жыл бұрын

great video, you da man!

@ajkhoa Жыл бұрын

Very good to know. Excellent video.

@nesbitt0 Жыл бұрын

Payload is key, thanks for discussing it.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the support.

@Alexjay1234 3 ай бұрын

Great video! Thank you for making it.

@kennb.3389 Жыл бұрын

Great information ! Removed my rear seat to help.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

I always do that for my big trips

@thejamiefoster Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto do you have a temporary "rear seat delete" setup? I'd be interested in seeing that!

@kennb.3389 Жыл бұрын

Made a 3/4 inch plywood platform where seat was.

@thejamiefoster Жыл бұрын

@@kennb.3389 thanks! Do you bolt it down or just set it in place?

@kennb.3389 Жыл бұрын

@@thejamiefoster put screw thru plywood into pieces of 4x4 near front to help level. Cover with moving blankets from HF. It sits in place. .

@rbparker4 Жыл бұрын

Beyond the payload of a vehicle, have you ever been on the trail and thought "that would have been easier with more weight"?

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

SO true... pretty much am never left wishing I was heavier... especially top heavy

@JP-ps1ut Жыл бұрын

Great info. Thanks!

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching JP

@kmaamk1620 10 ай бұрын

I love these informative videos. Wish you had a Tacoma 😂

@OutdoorAuto 10 ай бұрын

I will do a tacoma build sometime soon. But first it will probably be an old Toyota pickup.

@DarkCavalry1228 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video!! Ounces make pounds and pounds HURT!

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Yes they do!

@bruceknirs9987 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for this information video this is something I preach to people all the time

@OutdoorAuto 8 ай бұрын

Someone had to make this video... I was actually surprised some people are actually watching it... it is one of those videos I hope people share with their friend that is starting a build...

@theangrycamper 11 ай бұрын

Great video, learned a LOT!!

@OutdoorAuto 11 ай бұрын

Awesome… I wasn’t even sure anyone would watch this one…

@theangrycamper 11 ай бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto I'm overloaded to 7640 rn, but I know a guy on here that has his Tundra at 8100lbs, I think that as long as we are not rock crawling or hitting trails with ratings at 5 or above, we should be fine, what do you think?

@ChaseChristopher1 Жыл бұрын

Good stuff!

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Thanks! 🙏

@joshlarsen7553 Жыл бұрын

I did enjoy your video. Wondering if you could go into a trailer and trailer weight in the future? Cheers

@abraham5233 9 ай бұрын

Cool thanks

@GaryChastain 17 күн бұрын

Very informative

@mikechandler3791 10 ай бұрын

One thing you didn't cover - what about tongue weight - how does that calculate into the overall payload? We have an off-road camper we pull when camping where we store spare fuel, water and other equipment (not over the tongue area when possible). We base camp so I stay away from using the term ‘Overlanding’ for what we do. I grew up car and backpack camping in the mountains, not that we don’t go off-road exploring where we base camp, we just do very little sleep and go style camping. Really enjoying your videos and information - thanks for creating.

@OutdoorAuto 10 ай бұрын

Yeah... I didn't cover towing at all... towing would be its whole own video... there are a lot variables in how you setup towing to optimize it. Lots to cover there.

@DM-fv7hw Жыл бұрын

Don't forget about LIABILITY! If you, in your overweight vehicle cause an accident, YOU, are on the hook.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

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@nickknack5884 5 ай бұрын

This is good

@tumbleweedbikes Жыл бұрын

It’s crazy that the Tundras are so weak on payload, I have a 2014 regular cab Tacoma that has a max payload within 100lbs of my 2021 double cab Tundra. It wasn’t until I dug deeper on Land Cruisers that I realized I can carry 500lbs more on my 80 series or 100 series than either of my pickups.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Gotta love those 80 series solid axles… I want to build one of those so bad.

@SigmaWolfOutdoors 9 ай бұрын

I did st.joe to kelly crik...to lochsa ...8 gallons extra fuel ...got some brake fade ..

@Taithland 11 ай бұрын

I have a 2023 tundra limited crewcab short bed 4x4. You are so right about it all and it's so deceiving. I overland with a family of 5 and i count ounces. No towing. My payload is 1450lbs but 5 people, upgraded tires, just our daily basics and we blow through it quick let alone equipping it as an overlander.

@OutdoorAuto 11 ай бұрын

A lot of people go through the journey of getting all the heavy stuff and doing a heavy build… then starting over and going light. Properly loaded trucks are so much more fun to drive.

@Taithland 11 ай бұрын

@OutdoorAuto I couldn't agree more! Did the same thing you said loaded heavy and then now it's almost a game to see how light I can get her. My GVWR is 7250 and I am pretty sure I can be right at that and go 5 days at least totally off grid. 1 year old, 3 yo, 5 yo and wife we make it work!

@jamaisvu2664 11 ай бұрын

This is why I was thinking a 99 - 07 F350 SRW 4x4 Extended Cab 6.5ft bed would make a good overlander. Get it with the XL or XLT trim and you have a 9000lb plus GVW with about 3000lbs of additional payload

@HiroProtagonistak 10 ай бұрын

I work across the country and it seem like every Jeep and Toyota has been turned into an overlander. In Laramie WY I saw Suzuki Swift with a roof top tent AT tires and a winch. I thinks the max capacity of a roof on a car should be taken into consideration if your going to put a mini house on your forester. Those 4x4 sprinter vans look especially tippy when people start piling stuff on the roof racks.

@OutdoorAuto 10 ай бұрын

Yeah... those vans are tall... but the top is light... I dont think it is wise to load up the roof on those...

@finerbiner Жыл бұрын

Payload of my 4Runner Off Road Premium is only 880lb But, the SR5 has almost double. Difference is I have a rear locker which is responsible for the 880. I'm not rock crawling with a 1000+ load but 4runner owners should know you have about double the payload if needed.

@CACressida Жыл бұрын

The locker only weighs less than a couple of pounds. Your 4Runner doesn't lose that much payload because of its locker, it loses its payload because of the offroad specific springs and shocks.

@finerbiner Жыл бұрын

@@CACressida Nope. The 880 is because the locker is the weakest link. You add 10,000 lb springs and the payload changes zero. Explain why the SR5 has twice the payload.

@CACressida Жыл бұрын

@@finerbiner the locker isn't the weakest link. You're on drugs if you think your locker cant handle a payload more than 800 pounds but its ok to tow 5000 pounds. Go to sleep.

@DADVNTRS Жыл бұрын

Loved watching this video as I consider what to add on & take away on my 4Runner…I can’t help but feel the wheels I chose right at the start are too heavy (Black Rhino - Abrams) can you recommend rim/wheel brands that have the strongest & lightest wheels?

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

I have been a fan of Method wheels for a while. They also came up with the Bead grip wheels that seem to be pretty impressive so far. But I have run Fuel, KMC and others in the past. All of those brands have much lighter options than the Black Rhinos.

@DADVNTRS Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto Appreciate the quick reply, looking into method as well as Rays, keep up the very practical content, its obvious you know your shit!

@joegenshlea6827 11 ай бұрын

I have a 2024 Jeep Wrangler 4xe Rubicon and went down this rabbit hole about payload last week. Here's what is going on GVWR: 6600 (per door sticker) Curb weight per manual: 5226 lbs Actual Curb Weight: 5460 (I had it weighed with a full tank of fuel) Payload: 850 (per door sticker) There is a variance here though. 6600 - 5460 = 1140 lbs, not 850 lbs (which is the payload). So if I load up to max payload then my Jeep will be still be 290 lbs under GVWR. So what gives? Why can't I load up with 1140 lbs? Am I losing 290lbs of payload? I think it has to do with the Gross Axle Weight ratings: GAWR Front 3250 GAWR Rear 3550 Actual Weight: Front 2720 Rear 2740 From this it looks like I have about 810 lbs (3550-2740) to play with on the rear axle. I suspect the engineers accounted for this as most payload is in the rear of the vehicle? Just my hunch. BUT what if I add a winch and a heavy front bumper which loads up the front axle? Can I still get 810 lbs of cargo on the rear axle? Told you it was a rabbit hole! Lastly Tongue weight (if you tow) has be be factored in to GVWR and the rear GAWR as well. I don't tow though. Thanks for the video... sorry for the wordy comment!

@spookerr 4 ай бұрын

Relocate the breather on your rear diff.

@billchristo7894 Жыл бұрын

Great video, makes you think. Question: would upgrading suspension with heavy duty shocks and springs and also LT tires on stronger rims add payload capacity at all??? The way I read the sticker it is telling us the weight limits in relation to tires and psi. 🤔. The crazy thing is my 22 ORP 4Runner is at 880 lbs and my 22 RX350L is 1250 LBS. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 😳

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Those upgrades potentially make your vehicle ride better with extra weight… but it wouldn’t negate the extra wear in your drive train, strain on your frame, or increased stopping distance. So it doesn’t increase your payload but it can improve your ride a lot while carrying extra weight 🤷‍♂️

@billchristo7894 Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto thank you.

@ProGoHERO Жыл бұрын

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@bod7425 10 ай бұрын

If I knew what I know now about payload, I would've got a bigger truck. Oh well, in the meantime, it's like you said. Take weight off. Streamline gear. I like how you mentioned counting ounces for backpacking, it's something I do so the practice can carry over to the truck payload. What about getting a trailer? If properly balanced, the trailer tongue weight should be 10%? So in theory, 1,000 pounds of trailer will only add 100 pounds of payload to the truck?

@OutdoorAuto 10 ай бұрын

A trailer can be a great way to shed weight if your trips are trailer friendly. My trips are 50/50 right now for trailers so I have never owned one out yet. I did pull a trailer on a baja trip one time and it wasn't that bad, except I had to go a lot slower then normal.

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@alexs825 Жыл бұрын

You won’t see me rocking a RTT for this reason. Take a 150 lb hit over my backpacking tent plus 60 lbs for the bed rack. It’s just stupid. Saves you 5 minutes costs you $2k and payload. Steep price to pay

@mas921 Жыл бұрын

unsprung weight especially the rotational weight (tires, wheels and brake discs) are the worst kind of weight to add. since it rotates, its mass generates momentum and that affects the chassis 4-6x a similar weight thats static (doesnt rotate) on the chassis, say like a steel bumper. it counts "as is" towards payload though, not 4x its weight since a vehicles payload is certified standing still.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

I could be wrong about this... but my understanding on the physics of rotational weight is that it counts against you at about a 5x multiple to sprung weight but that multiple is really applied to the efficiency of the machine... so the added wear and tear is primarily MPG on the efficiency front and wear and tear on the drive train. As far as the traditional way people think about "payload"... rotational weight has very little effect on the weight a vehicle is engineered to uphold.... I think we are saying the same thing... and your point is a good one for clarification.

@rossipremier Жыл бұрын

Rotational is bad for everything about vehicle dynamics, and is tangentially related to overall capacity of the vehicle since during motion it can apply higher or different loads to the chassis than the stock tires and wheels did for example. But it is not the same as 500lbs sat directly in the bed. I think your two points are similar as well

@richiewagstaff2156 10 ай бұрын

Understanding your position from NA but Many parts of the world have very clear position on wheel weight; so you may replace the loud guy with the local law. There is precedent in certain EU countries that an overweight vehicle will have insurance claims rejected and injury in a collision has left the driver responsible for manslaughter. Finally; larger wheels may have a significant impact on your braking distance due to the change in rotational mass & associated momentum.

@OutdoorAuto 10 ай бұрын

Agree with you on all of this… but the US is still the Wild West… not only are there no rules… nobody is being told to actually pay attention to safety… this video is actually just trying to remind people that they can actually build unsafe vehicles… and that they should think about it.

@grahamkearnon6682 10 ай бұрын

Why do you need a heavy hard shell tent when a pop uo groud style is SO much lighter etc, did I mention top heavy too.

@OutdoorAuto 10 ай бұрын

No one NEEDS a roof top tent... I will definitely agree with you. But for people that spend 100+ nights a year camping... in all 4 seasons including snow.... they are pretty awesome.

@florianrausch3607 Ай бұрын

What's up witb those ridiculously low payloads on that full size trucks? In my mind I'm of course always comparing it to other trucks I know of: My mid size Amarok comes in at a payload of 750kg (~1653lbs) including an 80kg driver, the V6, the proper 4x4 and a hardshell topper in the 2,33t empty weight of the truck. Granted it's the lower spec and has the oem heavy duty springs, but even the other specs have about the same payload as the Tundra. And don't even get me started on comparing that to the Ranger or Hilux exceeding the 1t payload in some specs. Don't get me wrong, I like the full size trucks, but the ratio of size to payload really is kinda bugging me.

@AdventureBraten01 Жыл бұрын

I guessed 900, 1000, and 1800, but I got the vehicles right

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Dang… that was close

@dalekoop2207 Жыл бұрын

So, a "Crew" cab that in the odler days was advertised for taking a whole crew of 5 Men to construction sites... you cant take 5 - 250lb men in a tundra? I dont believe that... but i've been wrong before! need to do my own research now...

@carloso5102 5 ай бұрын

How about a fiberglass hood and/or bed gate?

@OutdoorAuto 5 ай бұрын

I have easier and cheaper ways to save weight right now... but who knows... it may come to that point..

@carloso5102 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for the responce and for working through all those numbers, excellent job! Someday, when I feel entrepreneurial 🙁, I will approach a Fiberglas fabricator and ask what will it take to make hoods and gates.

@phlfly10 10 ай бұрын

and mass of payload is effecting your tire pressure :) but it's all good man. Leave your family - just a joke. My Nissan Titan has GVWR 8990 - CAT is 8960 with 2 people inside and water 10 gal, add another 30 lbs for winch as been added lately. So my point is yes we do all over weight otherwise no way. RTT, racks, storage boxes, Decked systems (just drawings), kitchen, spare parts, tools, chain saw, jacks, solar panels (very heavy).

@RevereOverland Жыл бұрын

Who do we pay to load?

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

🤣😂🤣 I guess the mechanic... eventually 🤷‍♂️

@MRunar007 Жыл бұрын

this is why i dont use a roof top tent, bringing spears and tools is way more important

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Spears? I think I want to hang out with this guy. 🤔

@MRunar007 Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto lol. spare parts

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

@@MRunar007 oh man… I really thought you meant spears… I was thinking maybe spear fishing 😂

@MRunar007 Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto i remember trying spear fishing, i would have starved , to hard. maggot and hook for me :)

@Russianmafia10 5 ай бұрын

It's crazy to think if you have 5 dudes in your truck, that's already 1000 pounds

@marcustomz 10 ай бұрын

Put minimal AIR in your spare tire to shave weight.

@OutdoorAuto 10 ай бұрын

😂 never thought of that 🤔

@JeepCherokeeful Жыл бұрын

Unless you’re just two people or have a 1 ton pickup it’s gonna be overweight. Or a 3/4 ton gasser!

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

I get what you are saying… but on the other hand… I have hiked off the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, started in snow, camped at the bottom in 80 degrees for 5 days and out with a 35 lb pack… if I can carry everything I need for a 5 day camping trip… certainly my truck can… it’s just about priorities

@carlossalazar2164 6 ай бұрын

So what about putting one tons??

@OutdoorAuto 6 ай бұрын

One ton’s doesn’t address suspension, the frame, the breaks, etc, etc…. So same as I said in the video… you can’t fix payload with an upgrade.

@djwambach6192 4 ай бұрын

So many people think payload is how much can be put in the bed.

@OutdoorAuto 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, it is an uphill battle to try and get people to start think about some of this stuff the right way.

@blazinferno79 5 ай бұрын

You need to not only know what your MGVWR is but also register your vehicle for that weight with the DMV (it costs more money). Example: Your MGVWR is 7,000 lbs., but it was only registered for 6,000 lbs. In the event of an accident or being stopped by law enforcement, they can weigh your vehicle with portable scales. In this example, they weigh your rig and you weigh 6,500 lbs. You are under your manufacturer, MGVWR, but you're overweight for your registration, and you will be cited. Ignorance of the law will not be an excuse. I live on the East Coast, and law enforcement routinely stop and weigh pickups, full-size suv's, and vans because a lot of folks do this to save money (almost half the cost). Far as I know, you can only register a vehicle for as much weight that's listed on the driver door placard. Stay safe everyone. 😊

@Tazzspaz 11 ай бұрын

If I can get to the point of shedding some of this fat I will get to add 40 lbs of gear!

@user-zl5gi8sv7u 3 ай бұрын

Why not just get a small trailer. After you add 3-400 lbs of passengers you are going to be over gvwr with almost no gear. Which, if you are not living full time in your vehicle, you only need 100lbs of gear anyways anything else is for glamour

@OutdoorAuto 3 ай бұрын

I have a 550 HP Tundra made for going fast over huge bumps.... putting a trailer on that completely defeats the purpose of the entire build...

@beadblaster9508 6 ай бұрын

Instead of calling it overlanding they should call it overloading. Most rigs are massively overloaded. In bc if you are pulled over at the scales during a road check blitz and you vehicle is overweight you are walking unless you can drop it down to legal weight. You will also be fined and probably sent for full vehicle inspection which will all cost ya money.

@marillinkovalaske4797 Жыл бұрын

💕 "Promosm"

@OffPathAdventures 7 ай бұрын

Great video but now i am sick to my stomach, my Jeep 392 is heavier than your truck…..

@OutdoorAuto 7 ай бұрын

Whoa 😳

@BrwnShinobi Жыл бұрын

People won't and Don't want to understand payload lol

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Yeah… ignorance is bliss till your truck folds in half 😳😂

@PathNotTaken Жыл бұрын

None of this is true. If you never weigh your vehicle you won’t know that it’s overweight and don’t have to worry.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

😂 - brilliant

@Gazziza29 Жыл бұрын

If you’re concerned about payload don’t buy a Toyota.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Kinda missing the point… but that’s ok

@Gazziza29 Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto It’s actually quite on point. Toyota trucks have very low payloads. Your Tundra has a lower payload than a Ford Ranger. There’s a reason why so many people are moving towards 3/4 and 1-ton trucks. Today’s 1/2 ton trucks are nearly as big as HD trucks and have such low payloads that people are moving to the HD platform. Toyota simply doesn’t offer a high payload vehicle in the US. Ford at least offers a heavy duty payload package on the F150. You’re 500lbs overweight without people or gear in the truck. You could probably shed 200-300lbs with all the things you’re cutting off/removing and you’re still gonna be over payload. You still haven’t calculated people in it either. The POINT is not to start cutting shit off your truck like the spare tire mount, shock mounts etc etc. That helps but is not the solution. The solution is to buy a truck with the proper payload from the beginning and one that will leave you with 800-1000lbs of buffer after all mods, gear, people. I love Toyota but they simply don’t make a vehicle with enough payload for overland and off-road use.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

@@Gazziza29 I get where you are coming from but I still VERY much disagree. My goal is to be lighter... I don't want a massive heavy truck, they don't drive the way I want to drive. I don't want to "offroad" a Super Duty. I don't want an Earthroamer... If people want all the comforts of home... then just stay home. WIth my Tundra my goal is to build a nimble and fast vehicle. If I want to build an expedition vehicle, then I would do it on the Troopy platform. I have been an many trips with huge super single conversions and super dutys and I can tell you that form of Off Roading... I have no interest in. I can run circles around those builds and it is because I am choosing to travel with less. As far as The POINT of my the video is people should know what their payload is... plain and simple... that was the point. I have backpacked all over the Sierras and Grand Canyon on longer trips then most my Overland trips.... with a 35 lb pack... You think I can't overland in a vehicle with a 1185LB Payload.... the problem isn't the vehicle the problem is excess.

@Gazziza29 Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto I agree with quite a bit of everything you said, truly not trying to argue with your point on payload. The problem with 1/2 ton trucks nowadays is that they are getting larger and near the size of HD trucks yet the focus is on luxury so the payloads are dramatically decreased. Toyota is a largely guilty in this. While I don't doubt that you can overland with 1185lbs look at it this way, you've built a very minimal and lightweight platform and even with the significant weight reduction you plan on doing you are still over payload. You don't have to shop HD trucks to get more payload either. For instance, you can get an F150 SuperCrew short bed with the payload package and bump that up to 1800-2000lbs payload. That is a truck that is the same size as yours with 800-900 more lbs of payload. I don't understand why Toyota, specifically, can't be more competitive from a payload perspective if they aren't going to be in the HD game. IMO, they should have offered the new Tundra with some form of heavy duty payload package. Look I get not bringing an excessive amount of gear, that's largely the culprit of the payload mess. On the flip side, manufacturers should actually make trucks that don't have anemic payloads so you don't have to watch every bit of weight like you're counting calories.

@Gored999 5 ай бұрын

You were 500lbs over with your truck on scales minus YOU AND OR PASSENGERS,DOG ETC. sure you don’t have food etc on board too. Sorry bro but your really a long way away front from making payload. Time fir a trailer.

@oneplus2ins 10 ай бұрын

I'm sure the video is great but the topic is just too heavy of a payload for my brain. So I clicked away.

@OutdoorAuto 10 ай бұрын

😂

@gabrielreyes8476 28 күн бұрын

My Taco is a permanent fatbody. She comes in at roughly 6300lbs when loaded BUT....she a complete OME heavy duty suspension, frame stiffeners along with true rock sliders (no step), she has Wilwood disc, brake and caliper upgrade, she runs pizza cutters, she's got a Procharge supercharger and it is already known that sooner, rather than later, some wheel bearing's and all that fun jazz will be due when the piper comes around asking. So yes, it is possible to run heavy, no, it is absolutely NOT recommended you do it stock because you will most certainly be paying the price inside of a year, maybe two if not immediately. So by all means, love your fat bitch, but make sure that you upgrade everywhere you can as you do.