9:45 that's the Dredge alarm, it's a cube failsafe they programmed in to keep the strategy in check. You're probably the first to trigger it which is why it's not widely known

Anyone else think it was THEIR fire alarm going off?

Round 1 - what an insane opposing deck.

Agreed that Wrenn and Six and Life from the Loam are both sources of lands in hand and can be slightly redundant. But the card Six is much more of a sink for lands in hand than it is a source of them. Having Six makes me want Loam even more.

The hogaak getting hit with smirking spelljacker sure did bring a smirk to my face. The dredge deck jumps through so many hoops just to get completely destroyed by just about any interactive spell in the cube.

Man I was stunned to see he actually did the thing! Round one opponent stomping him with the ol' LSV special is ironically insane.

44:48 - Rules question - can you keep the psychic frog in the graveyard because Grist also counts as a creature in this scenario, so you don't need to exile both for the nethergoyf escape?

That first opponent truly had it all.

the irony of forcing this deck and then being in the seat that kinda needed to force the deck based on how the packs broke is peak lsv value.

"But no no, I was gonna do more" I love that after decades of magic, LSV still enjoys the game like us, common folks. pure joy lol

this deck actually seemed insanely good. Your opponent round 1 had a completely busted deck, and even then the stuff you were doing those games seemed impressive ignoring the absolute insanity on the other side of the table.

round 1 the opponent was really cookin, crazy deck. they probably didnt even draw their academy 😂

I was hoping for a p1p1 academy again to see if you could resist

Watching a railroad draft is a lot different than the normal thoughtful drafts. I wouldn't mind having a "force x archtype" draft episode once a week.

Thank you for creating videos with strategies that you normally don't do, it really makes it more interesting for a lot of the viewers like me :)

Clearly the fire alarm went off because this deck is fire.

3:28 "BK's not wrong" Better hope BK doesn't watch these!

LSV having a blast playing the deck in the archetype he trash talked is poetic justice. Super sweet interactions! "This deck is a little better than people give it credit for." - LSV Are the "people" in the room with us now, LSV?

The problem with dredge cards in cube is that they need to work in multiples. Like an artifact deck would take more copies of Urza for consistency, but getting one Vengevine back is so much worse than 2-4

Lol that fire alarm almost made me jump off the toilet. 😂

Dredge in cube is the equivalent of shooting the moon

At the end, everything becomes Crab.

The alarm went off because this dredge deck is just too hot!

@LSV when my fire alarm went off with no explanation, it ended up being the dryer vent that was so backup up with lint it was starting to smoke at high heat levels. Just something to check.

Forcing dredgevine! *literally no cards with dredge or vine in the deck*

47:45 - what am I missing, isnt Troll + Bestow Phoenix onto Ghast lethal? Lol - nevermind!

Good times! The phoenix is looking great these past few days so strong with the land cyclers in both directions. I like this over winston.

This video really sold me on Detective's Phoenix. Really low opportunity cost for such a powerful effect!

I’ve force drafted gaak 4 times on mtgo and have been pretty impressed. 2 trophies, a 2-1, and a 1-2. I think it’s a totally reasonable archetype, but if it’s ever contested it’s basically unplayable. I believe it’s best when you get some of the busted red three drops, they all play so well in the deck.

I was listening to this while driving and I nearly had a heart attack.

Poor Vengevine can't even make the cut in the Vengevine deck

We finally did it! (Kinda). The key cards to make all of the vengevine/rootwalla stuff work are survival of the fittest and (to a lesser extent) bazaar. If you see those early, that's a good reason to give it another go.

BK should be a weekly guest, at least love watching y'alls drafts

Cube facts: - Nothing wrong with a Mox - Fire covenant is good, but we don't take it - Deep Cavern Bat wheels

man that first match felt like lsv being 100% justified in his beliefs lol

"Forcing DredgeVine" - proceeds to pass Vengevine

Great draft, really excited to see this ❤

Fun to see this, and all the cards are always available. Personally I would ditch the frog + atraxa and focus harder on the archetype (Vengevine in) + some hand destruction and it would've been even better. Please hard force it again, was fun to watch once the graveyard popped off like that!

The madlad finally did it.

Jesus Christ that first deck what the f. Anyways, i LOVED your deck here, it looked awesome to play.

This is so absolutely hilarious, thank you for your sacrifice to science 😂

“BK’s not wrong.” 3:36 This is LSV’s “I’m being kidnapped and held under duress” signal

Luis, thanks for posting every day. I watch your drafts when I’m iced up at physical therapy and they help the time fly by 😊

I appreciate you going for it. I'm not sure this was even the best version of the deck but you managed to build it well given what was there. The grave hate in the current cube seems tough. I hope to see you try it some more in the future. Seems like some hand disruption would strengthen the deck quite a bit.

The one we have all been waiting for!

At 44:44 can't you leave pyschic frog in the graveyard because grist counts for two types?

Sometimes they just have Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Grim Monolith, AND Sol Ring - lol.

Says a lot when cards built for the archetype are still getting cut.

I've been waiting for this!

Round 2 opponent had one of those decks that only your opponents can cast your spells thing going for it. Truly polar opposite matches from round 1 opp who looked like they got to bring their constructed vintage cube deck to a draft

25:43 casually queued into competitive edh

This is what we've been waiting for.

Faithless looting would have been like a 10 in this deck

Excited for take 2 of this deck, feels like there’s actually some gems in here. Hogaak+Phoenix was definitely a thing

Really cool to see a new archetype being played. 🦀 is a house. Wouldn't mind seeing more of this because there might be more card combinations and it's nice to get the all the wheels. Last pick detective phoenix which carried multiple games at the end.

2:40 Territorial Jules

I think my only problem with this deck is that ultimately most of your wins came from just casting crabomination. Hogaak and co. just feel like a lot of hoops to jump through for less payoff than just jamming your big threats. On the other hand, some of the engines like wight of the reliquary, six, detective’s phoenix, and psychic frog are very strong. I can see the discard/graveyard archetype being a staple just without going all-in on dredge.

9:45 SMALL HEART ATTACK

Now this was fun!

Actually really pleased to see this deck get vindicated. Glad we finally made it happen.

It was the Dark Depths Alarm 😂

Malevolent Rumble FTW … gunna need to add that to my vintage cube now.

I find it both funny and a shame that Vengevine didn't even make the cut in the dredgevine deck.

On the fire alarm I would say check it for bugs, we had one go off multiple times before I checked and there were some dead bugs in it.

I played in a league the other day and got DESTROYED by probably the best version of this deck I've seen. Had Hogaak, Six, Vengevine, the one that gets +1/+1 per permanent in the GY. . .deck was NUTS. . .he had that card up to...I think 13/14.

1 pick in and I'm already confused, isnt the DredgeVine deck jund aggro, so isn't Laelia the pick by a mile?

Ok I did not expect the dredge vine deck to be so much fun

“I’m gonna force dredge” Proceeds to pass almost every card meant for the archetype and draft jund reanimator

So, with Nethergoyf, could you have exiled two cards and then either Grist/Phoenix? It says "four types" so that would've been creature-planeswalker or enchantment-creature and left you with one additional card.

Dredge OP confirmed! Just as you suspected! 😁

might not be the best, but it surely works and seems like a blast to play

Im like 10 mins in, but the fire alarm came on because of this fire deck OBVIOUSLY

The fact that this deck isn't great but also gets wrecked by reanimator hate is rough. I've had this archetype for a while in my, admitedly slightly weaker, cube and I've cut down a bit on graveyard hate. Especially mass grave hate like relic and endurance. I'll also say things like vengevine and the blazing rootwala never worked out for me. Getting an aggressive version of the deck to work just requires too many moving pieces and there's not enough redundancy imo. On the other hand I've seen self mill decks with things like bazaar and dredger or hogaak + altar of dementia use thassa's oracle as a wincon and be quite powerful, especially alongside dread return. edit: and tbh this deck fared not that badly since, let's be real, not that many decks could beat those game 1 draws.

It would be cool to see the lands deck, pack 1 there was a late scapeshift into titania with a late zuran orb in pack 2

after watching these hijinks, i gotta request more dredge when possible

Ok this was great content. A lot of novelty, very interesting, felt like I had to say it after commenting that Academy gets boring.

Crabominatin seems sweet. Especially if you can recur it.

Dredge with no dredge.

I think if you’re trying to promote a “big graveyard” package like this, you might also need to de-emphasize cards that hate it out. Deathrites or Scavenging Ooze probably still fine, but Endurance, Soulguide, Relic of Progenitus kind of cards just randomly hating on an already sketchy archetype. Sure, you want to have answers for reanimator, but why is there still so much of it?

Its no the best archetype by a long shot but it did well here, honestly the first opponent had a 10/10 deck so

The cards for this sort of deck ending up both in the side board, or just not picked at all over better cards for the deck (and LSV offers valid reasons he didn't take such) but like, he had access to every gof and walla in the cube and didn't need any of them. The deck as it is showed its perfectly viable without any of those things in it. Which says to me that all of those cards are a bad addition to the cube, that LSV thinking so is 100% right. That this deck as he drafted it is better perhaps then he/others give it credit for? Like it was competitive against other decks which were not "the nuts" or so on, which is more then fine for any vintage cube deck to be worth keeping cards for it in rotation. But the rootwallas? The gofs? Vengevine and bloodgast? Yah. You could replace all of those (and ok maybe the goyfs are worth keeping i dunno) with other cards that are meant for this exact kind of deck, and make it both more viable while not having all those aforementioned cards essentially always being the last 1-3 cards you see in packs and no one ever plays.

I usually pop on an LSV video when i am going to bed. Talk about a jump scare when that alarm went off lol. Maybe just edit it all out next time and explain why?

When he brought back goyf shouldn't he not have been able to use psychic frog and grist?

When the archetype gets hosed by counterspells, removal spells, hand disruption, artifact and enchantment destruction, graveyard hate and most of the random hatebear cards, oh, and is beaten by faster decks and decks that do more powerful stuff, there does seem to be a bit of problem with the archetype.

Your round one and three opponents were just filthy cheaters with their perfect draws 🤣

Uhhh can we talk about how many tinkers this man opens yet? I mean I’ve been waiting for years for someone to explain this to me😅 😉

I came here for nonsense and wasn't disappointed again.

les go

the issue with this deck is that it's just a straight up legacy cube deck.

alright we’re forcing jund *third picks a blue card*

Why not Crop Rotation for Bazzar?

I think the take away from this is Modern Horizon cards are good.

your deck seemed sweet, do not judge it too harshly based on how ridiculous your match 1 opponent was!

So basically if they are going to have this dredge stuff they should get rid of the graveyard hate? it isn't powerful enough to survive through a peice or two of hate.

Why is there rite of flames in a format without duplicates ?

I wonder if it was too much of "this is generically good in a dredge deck" and not enough "this is good with that" ?

Malevolent Rumble sitting in the wrong pile, wow BK needs to joke on your for this one

Right. Last time too probably.

Lunch time

I feel like dredge might be the single worst 60 card to singleton power fall off.