Ford Ecoboost Cold Startup Turbo Rattle Explained

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In this video we show you exactly what is making all that noise on cold startup and decel on the Ford Ecoboost Engine.
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@kelvinhill9874 4 жыл бұрын

I own a 2012 Ford Falcon with the same 2.0 Ecoboost engine. It rattled from new and Ford did nothing when I complained about the rattle. It rattled upon light acceleration and on deceleration. After much messing around I learned that the wastegate on my car defaults to open and uses vacuum to close it upon start up. It did not have the wear shown on this video. It was just poorly adjusted and never fully closed. It turned out to be a simple enough task to use the adjustment nuts to adjust it so that the wastegate fully closed at idle. Power and torque improved, fuel consumption improved and no more noise. Fuel consumption improvement was 1/2L per 100km. My car now has 104,000km on it and runs beautifully.

@kailin4639 3 жыл бұрын

You are right. When there is no wear, it is closed. As the wear increases, the tightening rod can not be closed. I almost changed the turbine for this focus ST 2.0T

@Itsa_Mea 4 жыл бұрын

I think I'd drill out the lever hole to make it round again and then press in a bronze bushing to make it like new again. Or just adding a spring to keep tension on the lever may be enough to stop the rattling. I know these aren't a "dealer" fix but for an owner on a budget it would save alot of money.

@DonkeyHammer 4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't use bronze. I would go with a stainless or high temp alloy. Bronze will work but wont last like the Stainless / HT alloy will.

@Dirtyharry70585 4 жыл бұрын

@@DonkeyHammer yah on the inside.

@FACafe-pt9bd 4 жыл бұрын

You boys got great ideas. Hope ford is listening or they’ll prob just cash in on the parts. Nobody’s making durable parts anymore.

@gabewhisen3446 4 жыл бұрын

These are made out of chinesium metal , worthless

@robertbell525 4 жыл бұрын

The bushing idea sounds good, and that internal part, maybe a couple of c clips or snap rings to act as shims

@timothycc711 4 жыл бұрын

My favorite mechanic on KZfaq put out the first video of the year. Great times. Thanks Fordmakedyouloco!

@Davido50 4 жыл бұрын

Ford never let me dwn. Truth.

@dmh297 4 жыл бұрын

I don't even have a modern ford, but I watch all your vids in aww of your abilities to pin point these problems. I'd love to see you work on some older model Fords.

@renderingrocks 4 жыл бұрын

Some aftermarket company needs to make a bushing kit for this. Seems like your throwing good parts away

@RadDadisRad 4 жыл бұрын

Machine shops do it for cheap. They cut the tab and weld a larger tab, machine the opening and add a phosphor bronze bushing.

@gglovato 4 жыл бұрын

Was going to say this, that old turbo is fixable for a fraction of the cost of the new one

@BlindBatG34 4 жыл бұрын

In my experience turbos seem to last 100-150k however if I also had to replace the CAT, I’d definitely try to have that arm bushed and see if I could squeeze another 50k out of it.

@chrisj197438 4 жыл бұрын

Michael Dennis If I owned a shop I’d only replace with new to prevent call backs.

@excelerater 4 жыл бұрын

turbo is tiny anyway,better off stepping the whole plan up

@ferminsalas9772 4 жыл бұрын

Watching your videos from when you were at Ford til now. Just amazing. You sir are badass.

@johncramer99 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your videos. You saved me alot of money from the dealer/parts changers. Had a completely clogged cat which caused misfires, pegged my pressure gauge at idle. they wanted to fix the misfires before swapping the clogged cat. Cat was under federal warranty by the way. With your videos I was able to intellegently argue my way to a new cat. And once that was done all the other problems dissapeared. Imagine that

@plheywood Жыл бұрын

Cat and not turbo? Under federal warranty? My dealer says it’s my cat and not turbo, even though I can reach down and wiggle the loose waste gate??? Anyway, how do I at least get covered under federal warranty?

@TruckStuff1 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video man. I don't have this problem, but if I ever do I'll know exactly what's wrong. I always appreciate your videos.

@bobbysweeney5377 4 жыл бұрын

I had a dealership try to sell me a 2013 F-150 EcoBoost that had a hard rattle on startup on the left side. I asked about it and was told it's fine. Just probably a shroud or something loose. It sounded worse to me. Turns out the one turbo was shot. I got my deposit back after an hour or so of high blood pressure "talking".

@jdpower5552 4 жыл бұрын

Thats terrible, glad u got your money back

@jaandel1 4 жыл бұрын

Can you please explaim what the turbo really does ??? Or I just to make exhaust noise loud???

@bobbysweeney5377 4 жыл бұрын

@@jaandel1 it gives you a shitload more power, I believe by recycling exhaust into forced induction, and a lot more fun, but at the cost of worse fuel economy by far when on boost, way more wear and tear on your motor and transmission because you'll be horsing it all the time, and more things that can go wrong. They're great if the vehicle isn't your only means of driving.

@charliesgarageusa4986 4 жыл бұрын

For $2000 I would live with the noise for a while.👍😀

@ak2112 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Let the next owner deal with it.

@boobizzy4173 4 жыл бұрын

Charlie James 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@JohnDiMartino 4 жыл бұрын

It’s throwing a low boost code,here in Ny it wouldn’t pass emissions inspection .

@Davido50 4 жыл бұрын

Cant friggin barely hear it .. wtf

@Davido50 4 жыл бұрын

@Martin Herndon possibly the owner didnt follow very strict maintenance standards an more wear within turbo!? The Ford EcoBoost motors gen1 & gen2 are reaching high mis w/orig turbos!

@MrHomeSki22le 4 жыл бұрын

Alot of this might just be owner maintenance and it might not be. I Had a 16 fusion with the 1.5 ecoboost to 100k not a single issue. Now have the 2.7 ecoboost f150 at 50k and nothing yet. Probably alot of people with this issue and just as many without this issue. It is good information to know!

@slim56 4 жыл бұрын

There goes all the fuel savings from buying a turbo four over a V6

@onenikkione 4 жыл бұрын

The "fuel" was saved but your wallet not so much

@joedfazio 4 жыл бұрын

Be sure its not a twin turbo V6! twice the waste gate fun....

@juandominguez8536 4 жыл бұрын

Aris Torm ok boomer

@Mustang6504 4 жыл бұрын

Actually it's a lost cause from the start turbocharged engines running more than 4-6lbs of boost are factually less efficient all the time because they have to have a lower compression ratio in order to prevent hotspots from forming on the piston and causing detination "knock" If you're not familiar with what knock is it's when the fuel ignites before top dead center in other words at the wrong time and it's really really bad. If your goal is fuel economy a naturally aspirated engine is much more efficient. Unless it's turbo diesel than it's a different story.

@Chris-hw4mq 4 жыл бұрын

That turbo could have been repaired

@rotaryenginepete 4 жыл бұрын

i have to hand it to you FordTechMakuloco, you picked the most lucrative brand for auto repair!

@FordTechMakuloco 4 жыл бұрын

That's right! I know what I am doing....

@Randomvoice246 4 жыл бұрын

Vw has same failures on their turbos.

@rotaryenginepete 4 жыл бұрын

@@Randomvoice246 because those turbos are also made by the same company, Garrett

@SergePupko 4 жыл бұрын

@@hkk3656 not so much a repair as a time-bomb reset if he's using OEM parts. Same piece of kit, integrated waste gate, failure-in-waiting. Just looks prettier.

@MRodrigues421 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 2014 1.5 EcoBoost Fusion. 146k highway miles over 3ish years. Never had a problem with anything

@gianfrancoa 4 жыл бұрын

Wont be that far until starts to fall apart

@socialjusticewarrior9601 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 2016 Titanium with the 2.0L at 63k miles, it's already falling apart

@Davido50 4 жыл бұрын

Hardly anyone does. This is new to me. I've owned 3 EcoBoost Fords. 2- Gen1. 1- Gen2

@Davido50 4 жыл бұрын

@@gianfrancoa what ur Hyundai?

@bobbyenginejr3959 4 жыл бұрын

I guess it's all about the owner and how you maintain your vehicle. 2014 with over 160k and it's still like new.

@svernwarunos546 4 жыл бұрын

Ford engineering appreciation for customers loyalty.

@joedfazio 4 жыл бұрын

@@LynxStarAuto The turbos are sold to the customers by Ford not Garrett, for customers Ford is responsible. The Catalyst needing replacement was an additional problem for the customer because Ford changed the design. Way to take care of your customers Ford!

@joedfazio 4 жыл бұрын

@@LynxStarAuto I am well aware of all factors impacting my vesicle ownership. including the heavy cost of new car depreciation. Having owned cars from US, Japan and Germany, I have a clear understanding who builds cars with best chances for easy ownership during and well beyond the warranty period :-) Oh... and its amazing how markets work, the cars with better durability had higher resale value when my ownership period was over.

@Drivethisnotthat 4 жыл бұрын

@@LynxStarAuto built to Ford's specs.

@wander_r 4 жыл бұрын

Comes back once a month, drops a bomb video, and *leaves*

@MikesSoftLemonade 4 жыл бұрын

Service writer: never ever heard an ecoboost have a turbo rattle. We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas

@billydarley6925 4 жыл бұрын

@Don Olypopper last diesel mechanic i talked to said something to me that i thought made a lot of sense. "power costs money."

@billydarley6925 4 жыл бұрын

@Don Olypopper same mechanic told me the order of domestics he works on the most are Ford, then chevy, then dodge. so no im not too surprised about dodge.

@ThePSPJesus 4 жыл бұрын

@Don Olypopper just curious was it one of the newer ones ? I drove an 2015 6.7 for work a few years back it was supposed to have like 900ftlbs and it was a great truck never had a single issue with it drove amazing would peel out and haul ass. Realistically I think when they stared forcing stricter rules on everyone all the makers had a rough few years with their diesels. If I had to pick anything personally 4bt all day. But if I had to pick a truck...90s F350 XLT with a 7.3 idi please.

@ThePSPJesus 4 жыл бұрын

@Don Olypopper oh man things are engineered to fail nowadays for sure. No profit in repair just like Apple says. Like I said if I had to put a motor in one. Cummins. Ive just never like the looks of modern dodges. Edit: I put around 36k of hard hard labour on our truck alone regularly maxing payload while towing trailers and equipment all over WV took my leadfoot and more.

@billydarley6925 4 жыл бұрын

@Don Olypopper ive seen that at my local ford dealer. blew me away that the whole cab had to come off to do head work. ford sure likes to build them to generate labor money. if they cant gouge you enough on the parts they'll gouge you with the labor.

@Blue-moon12 4 жыл бұрын

I loved my 2013 Taurus SHO when it ran right. Maintained it meticulously however the left turbo began to leak at 80k miles. Traded it in. No more turbo cars for me.

@RadDadisRad 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a 2014 but I swapped out my turbos for aftermarket Garrett G25/550. I traded my ecoboost F150 because of how expensive maintenance is on the ecoboost engines.

@Blue-moon12 4 жыл бұрын

@@RadDadisRad How are the aftermarket turbo's compared to stock?

@12wingwfetech 4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately more and more vehicles are going turbo ever year

@allenkennaley 4 жыл бұрын

@@12wingwfetech Cheaper to make power and mpg. The have been going away from the big v8s that use to last 200k plus

@robc8468 4 жыл бұрын

@@RadDadisRad You know what happens with expensive owner funded maintenance it gets put off buy owners. Some owners will do it many/most will not. A lot of people switched from cars to trucks when cars went to front wheel drive they became fragile and harder to maintain. Trucks were simple and more durable. A lot of owners expect to last 200,000 to 300,000 miles or more and got it with not much more than oil changes lube jobs and brake jobs and a rare tuneup. Ford is about to lose its market share in light duty trucks as consumers and the used truck markets begin to realize the ECO boost engines are not going to make it for the long haul out in the real world. Chevy is also dumber yet bringing out a 4 Cylinder Turbo Silverado Pickup.

@jorgenascimento9710 4 жыл бұрын

The strange thing is, here in Europe we barely have any problems... Ford uses the original oil at dealership from castrol. From my experience and having 2 ecoboost cars I have always changed oil 5w20 every 10000 km and my previous Ford fiesta was sold with 200 000km 0 issues no carbon build up problems, changed timing belt at 100k and never had to open engine and same 0 km power and speed after 200 000km. Change the oil with factory brand, because that is what it was designed for. And once in a while drive in the highway at higher average speeds you drive in the city like 120km/h 140km/h for some more extended periods and magic no carbon build up or whatsoever. Now I own a focus st (European model) with a 2.3 ecoboost 280hp and I will treat the same.

@chrismisc7856 4 жыл бұрын

The worst part about this is, the turbo isn't even bad, which is what everyone was worried about. The parts supporting the turbo are causing problems!

@logicalguy488 4 жыл бұрын

The old one can be fixed by putting a bushing on the outside linkage and tightening up the waste gate. I do not see why the whole expensive thing needs to be replaced. That's like buying complete new wheels when your tires are worn.

@williamwhite9767 4 жыл бұрын

I think most folks would run that thing to failure.

@cryptsys 4 жыл бұрын

And this ladies and gentlemen is why you chuck those ecoboost trucks into the junkyard and go with the NA bigblocks they have this year. Ford learned their lesson.

@j.d.martinez153 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip for techs seeing these vehicles with high mileage. Happy New Years, man. Keep the good tech tips flowing.

@patrickscahill254 4 жыл бұрын

And being an almost lifetime mechanic myself I would have repaired it with a bushing or weld and machine repair.

@johnh9507 2 жыл бұрын

no doubt about that , a simple fix for someone mechanically inclined

@joeallen9897 4 жыл бұрын

“Loose to pivot and seat perfectly.” Sounds like an excuse to manufacture shitty parts. Valves dont pivots loosely to seat perfectly. I’m sure they could do A LOT better with that linkage.

@GodKing804 4 жыл бұрын

Turbos get really hot spinning at 250,000 rpm they need wide tolerances, especially the waste/exhaust side

@joeallen9897 4 жыл бұрын

Are you shitting me? It’s a pass though valve that has one moving part and spins at no RPMs, the metal is too soft and built like trash. I’m convinced you didn’t watch the video.

@tomtalker2000 3 жыл бұрын

As others have stated i would live with the noise. It's NOT that bad at all. And thankfully my 2015 Lincoln MKC 2.O Ecoboost which is the same engine as the Ford Escape isn't doing this yet with 35k on it. I will say they are GREAT engines don't let this problem in the video deter you from these vehicles. They are solid vehicles. My next one will be a 2018 Ford Explorer Platinum with the 3.5 V6 ecoboost.

@mikeexelby 4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad my 2002 Mustang GT 4.6 doesn't have a turbo and I live in a state (MI) that doesn't have emissions check. No cats. Car has been running great forever. I plan on keeping it forever.

@406Steven 4 жыл бұрын

Just make sure you torque those plugs properly, lost my '02 GT due to a shop's screwup that resulted in a blown plug and engine fire. Then, 4 years later, lost my '03 Mach 1 to an inattentive driver with no license or insurance. I love keeping my reliable old Fords on the road but when human error comes into the equation you're stuck looking for a replacement.

@phillijp 4 жыл бұрын

$2000 in parts alone offsets all that fuel economy gained by running a smaller, turbo charged engine. No thanks.

@Nostradamus_Order33 4 жыл бұрын

phillijp That’s an excellent point.

@onenikkione 4 жыл бұрын

the actual fuel was saved, the owners wallet not so much. with the EPA they are only concerned about the fuel savings, not the cost to the consumer.

@mrelectron6220 4 жыл бұрын

@@onenikkione right eco boost is really economy boost every time it has to be replaced it helps the economy LOL

@SergePupko 4 жыл бұрын

@@mrelectron6220 what doesn't help the economy is people have no money to spend anywhere else. And while this may bring ass-tons of revenue to the automotive repair industry, the rest of the industries suffer.

@drewfoster1493 4 жыл бұрын

I have the 3.5 ecoboost F150 with a ten speed and i certainly didnt buy it for better fuel economy, but for the speed and enjoyment of having turbos. If it breaks, I will fix, i absolutely love it.

@patrickscahill254 4 жыл бұрын

I think the noise wouldn't have bothered me as much as dropping 2k plus labor, but the bypass valve not seating tightly against the surface it was intended to seat against would have been bleeding off boost.

@houbal7350 3 жыл бұрын

exactly bro

@jessev2197 4 жыл бұрын

same as FCA 2.0l with 47k miles . Sets low boost code too. You can lengthen the rod a bit and get another 10k miles until flap leaks enough and needs to be replaced. It delays the boost a bit which feels better too. These are all the same issues that were common when turbos were popular in the 80s.

@swedemake5571 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video. I have a Volvo S80 with this engine. And are getting crazy of the bad sound from the engine. Now I get the picture.

@trezsr 4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like my garbage disposal when I couple of popcorn kernals fall in there.

@infotechsailor 4 жыл бұрын

It does!

@infotechsailor 4 жыл бұрын

This is a 2012.. in 2017 they redesigned the turbo to use an electronically controlled wastegate. FordTechMakuloco, do you know if they have this same weakness on gen 2 EcoBoost ?

@Baneslayer 9 ай бұрын

I have a 2011 F150 FX4 with 3.5L Ecoboost Engine. After spending $5,000 to have the timing chain replaced, all 4 new phasers, VCT Solenoids, all gaskets, 02 Sensor, filter screens in both turbos, fuel system service, replace engine air filter and new OEM oil filter, engine flush, oil change and all brand new spark plugs... including dropping the oil pan to check for debris/blockages in the uptake screen/tube... Ford says they still don't know what's making a "ticking / rattling" sound and they want to sell me a remanufactured engine.... After watching videos like this, I'm very inclined to just to get my truck, drive it home and figure it out myself... They're just guessing with my money at this point. I feel Ford service dept "gave up" and said, just buy one of our remanufactured engines....

@professorplus2440 Жыл бұрын

c43 amg with 34k - this video is exactly my sound. thanks for the great vid

@salfamily1235 4 жыл бұрын

When mine goes, it's aftermarket turbo and tune. Forget stock crap.

@ryanjamieson8779 4 жыл бұрын

it's a shitbox crossover suv, relax with the tune and upgraded hair dryer, guy.

@ForesakenVengance 4 жыл бұрын

Same. What’s 2-4K on a suv that’s 60k

@paulb8878 4 жыл бұрын

Is this a common issue to look for on a 16 2.7 ecoboost or a 15 3.5 ecoboost as well

@FordTechMakuloco 4 жыл бұрын

All Ecoboost engines

@aaronturner1072 4 жыл бұрын

@@FordTechMakuloco So I have a cold start rattle that I hear inside my 13 KR with the 3.5. Mostly from the passenger side. Still think it's this same issue? Was really hoping for a loose piece of interior trim but it goes away once the truck warms up. Already on the hook for a boost control valve and adapter, turbo oil lines, and a tranny line o ring. Glad its only at 68K

@paulb8878 4 жыл бұрын

@@FordTechMakuloco kinda figured it would be all EcoBoost but wanted to make sure thanks love the videos keep up the good work

@dentonator96 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. Thank you. I am getting both my turbos replacedon my 2016 F150 with 2.7 EcoBoost. Im at 222,000 miles.

@mattomite9097 4 жыл бұрын

Very cool video. I liked how you zoomed in on the problem and let us hear what it sounds like.

@jt88219 4 жыл бұрын

I had a 2013 3.5L twin turbo, on cold starts the timing chain was slapping, noped out of that real quick and traded it for a 6.2L F-250. Never buying an Ecoboost again. If for some reason the 3/4 tons go to the Ecoboost in the future, i'll be switching manufacturers. Its a shame because i loved the truck, and its options, but sub par parts on a $45,000 truck just boggles my mind.

@thealgorithmisbroken 2 жыл бұрын

Same thing happened to my bosses ecoboost f-150. When I bought a new 1/2 ton truck I wanted a Ford but I'm not a fan of the Ecoboosts or overhead cam V8's so I ended up with a Dodge with a Hemi. I'm a Ford guy but if Ford would've offered the 7.3 gas engine in the F-150 I would've been all over that instead of a Dodge.

@johnh9507 2 жыл бұрын

@@thealgorithmisbroken wait until you see the roller lifter turn sideways and eat out the camshaft , a common problem with those

@thealgorithmisbroken 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnh9507 ya I heard about the Hemi's eating up camshaft lobes. Hopefully that's a long way down the road lol.

@farming4g 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 3.5 eco, it makes a rattling noise from the engine most of the time when starting, cold or warm, and goes away after a bit.nHaven't tried the deceleration test, but doesn't sound like what's on this video. Only 37k miles. Has there been other issues for something else coming loose or wearing?

@crish2897 4 жыл бұрын

Farming... the 3.5 v6 both turbo and non-turbo have issues with the timing chain and cam phasers wearing out. Do a search, Makuloco did a video on it. I recently made that very repair on my buddies 2011 3.5 N/A engine. Made it like new again for about $1000 as opposed to a shop doing it for $3000.

@allenkennaley 4 жыл бұрын

What year is the vehicle and model

@cheeznhard 4 жыл бұрын

Farming 4G I have a 19 3.5 that has this extreme wastegate rattle as well, it’s definitely not the timing chain or cam phasers. Next time you start your truck put some pressure on the wastegate actuator linkage with your finger (cold start) willing to bet the sound will subside

@farming4g 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the responses, I'll be looking into it and running some of your suggestions to narrow it. I did come across Makuloco's vids on the timing chains and that could be what's going on. It is a 2013 XLT The dealership I bought it from brand new has been good to work with, so I'll be taking it to them sometime... I'm confident they'll work something out to make it not as painful on the pocketbook.

@CarswithNash 4 жыл бұрын

I could certainly fix that up, but I can see how a shop would just replace the unit, but you could certainly fix that play with a bushing or some weld.

@nickking1510 4 жыл бұрын

Matt's Garage 100% agree

@101francis101 4 жыл бұрын

Why can’t the actuator be replaced? Looks like it could be. Integrated designs are terrible when things go wrong. If the same thing happened to my 1.6 fiesta ST it would only cost £100 for a new actuator fitted!

@ryland20 4 жыл бұрын

Just had ours done over Thanksgiving week. Covered by Ford's CPO warranty. Here we are on January 10th and it is now making the same noise. Our Explorer has been in service for loads of stuff to include front engine cover seal, faulty seat belt buckle, defective hood paint, pealing adhesive interior door panel leather, recalled rear-end toe links, recalled emissions safety issue, dual-zone A/C blend door actuator fail, wheel hub bearing fail and finally a full turbo replacement Thanksgiving week. I hope they Lemon it - I'm done with Ford.

@user-ts6ct7sk9v Ай бұрын

Had three Ford explorers. Never made it past 50k. All kinds of promblems..minor an major..now have 2016 transit. 50420 mi...

@HousesandCars 4 жыл бұрын

I can hear Scotty saying "I told you so" 😛

@corralesms 4 жыл бұрын

Said the same thing

@FACafe-pt9bd 4 жыл бұрын

I can hear him blaming fiat for this.

@N3PRO-Dave 4 жыл бұрын

"Just endless money pits!" :-D

@corralesms 4 жыл бұрын

And ppl say my vw is a money pit jajajajaja

@HousesandCars 4 жыл бұрын

@@N3PRO-Dave Ha ha. Perfect

@rymorales4 4 жыл бұрын

Why replace the whole turbo when it’s 2 linkages that rattle?????

@houbal7350 3 жыл бұрын

follow the money

@itsmeray01 4 ай бұрын

Now thats a noise I can live with . It will probably last another 200K Miles. Great Video!

@JFomo 4 жыл бұрын

Turbos are fun but suck to replace when they eventually die. My next car will be an NA. I've have my fun with Turbos.

@osamahamib3796 4 жыл бұрын

Good job and professional

@SonnyWolfSmiles Жыл бұрын

That’s why I went with aftermarket OEM parts are junk, they have the aftermarket turbo kits for the Focus ST , I haven’t had a problem besides falling in love with the turbo flutter and Blow Off sound and cold air intake.

@lospolloshermanos2692 4 жыл бұрын

256k miles on my volvo 850 turbo with the stock turbo. 0 issues and the car runs strong! Volvo used to build cars like tanks!

@packratswhatif.3990 4 жыл бұрын

Ahhh crap ! Just another problem to worry about on my eco-escape. Between this, the drive transaxle lubrication issue and the fact that my escape goes thru batteries every two years, I think its time to dump this money pit for a Honda.

@patdennis3751 4 жыл бұрын

I'd just wrap some lacing wire around that and take up the slack before I threw down 2K on an entire new unit.

@billydarley6925 4 жыл бұрын

now that ive seen the video i fully agree with you.

@Jordan-ym5gf 4 жыл бұрын

You need the wastegate to open in order for the turbo to function properly though.

@billydarley6925 4 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan-ym5gf i think we have two different visions of how to use that wire. if i understand Pat correctly his idea would keep it functioning properly. someone else also floated the idea of using a bushing in the hole. for $2k id be willing to try anything.

@patdennis3751 4 жыл бұрын

@@billydarley6925 you are correct. I was thinking of it only being used to take up the slack. You'd think Ford would used hardened steel in those areas since they stupidly made it as one unit. Why in the world they didn't make it serviceable is beyond me. If you're gonna make a hard part that shitty you ought to at least engineer it to have those parts serviceable without needing to replace the entire assembly. They'd still make the same money in labor possibly even more, but the greedy bastards want to sell you a second shitty part.

@billydarley6925 4 жыл бұрын

@@patdennis3751 same thing was done to the transmissions in the explorer. Steel rod sliding thru an aluminum hole. Hard vs soft metal. Softer of the two always loses.

@trevorjohnson5213 2 жыл бұрын

When I idle I can hear the ticking noise also I got a wrench light and the truck started to lose power and then a check engine light came on I went to auto zone and they read the code it said it was an under boost issue. Any ideas?

@saturnfire 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2013 F150 3.5 Ecoboost. Only 67,000 miles and i am starting to hear this...not going to deal with it now. only during morning start-up. All fluids and everything else is fine. When the time comes, will probably trade it in for a F350 with the 7.3. Or get a Toyota Tundra with the 5.7. My Sequoia with the 5.7 is ~12 years old with no issues. Turbo Engines are I guess a rebuild waiting to happen.

@jonathanmurray2186 4 жыл бұрын

My wife’s 2014 edge did the after about 50k. They replaced the turbo.

@nlitenurmind 4 жыл бұрын

Did they figure out the 5.0 tick/rattle on 18-19 F150? I heard the fix is not working.

@mattweeks2272 4 жыл бұрын

nlitenurmind my 18 5.0 F-150 has the rattle but it’s not significant and sometimes isn’t there at all. I was concerned at first but after hitting 20,000 miles on it I’m not nearly as worried. I’ve sent my oil out to be tested after changes to determine if there’s anything unusual in it and it comes back with normal numbers every time. The truck doesn’t lack power and drives smooth. So unless they come up with a fix that does work and doesn’t send me back to the dealership multiple times, I’m probably gonna deal with the noise

@DSKSeattle 4 жыл бұрын

Whoa?! Problems with a non-turbo engine?? You don’t say...

@MarkNOTW 4 жыл бұрын

Bore liner right?

@cheeznhard 4 жыл бұрын

Nah they just drinking oil like a drunken sailor

@alankuentz4617 4 жыл бұрын

Same problem on the N54 BMW turbos. Ecstuning makes a repair kit with new stainless parts. Looks like it might work to repair these turbos, as well.

@hsavin6069 2 жыл бұрын

What the difference between a wastegate rattle and the VCT rattle?? I have a rattle on cold start but kinda subsides after a brief moment but I can definitely hear it when I bump the accelerator.

@gmlover82 4 жыл бұрын

Gonna see this more and more on all these new turbo motors as they age. I’ll take a V6 any day over this, I could care less about the torque or fuel economy.in comparison.

@406Steven 4 жыл бұрын

@@LynxStarAuto As someone who has spent a fair bit of time around German vehicles (VW/Audi specifically) turbo failures are nothing new, I've specifically avoided anything turbocharged because it's such a precise piece of equipment that undergoes such incredible stresses and any deviance from their tight tolerances can smoke the turbo and engine--I think it's technology best left to performance cars and not stuff the general population would drive.

@Ilikeryche 2 жыл бұрын

@@406Steven I was going to write that, but then I realized you did.

@JG-kv4oi 4 жыл бұрын

Always, a "better idea from Ford"

@chriscosten80 3 жыл бұрын

What are your opinions on the 2.7L ecoboost. Just bought a fusion sport 2018.

@ethannash4153 4 жыл бұрын

Is it only the 2012 that requires the new cat? I have a 2013 with this issue. Debating about just running with it if both need replacing but it threw the underboost code during interstate driving. Thanks

@ozzstars_cars 4 жыл бұрын

Nothing a little spot weld can't fix. 🤣👍

@Joewest2k11 4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing!

@FordTechMakuloco 4 жыл бұрын

Spot weld what exactly? Every part is a pivot point and must turn free. The flapper valve must also be loose to seat.

@ozzstars_cars 4 жыл бұрын

@@FordTechMakuloco that was a joke bud.

@legros731 4 жыл бұрын

@@FordTechMakuloco weld the worn hole in the arm and redrill the correct size for the pivot

@nobullshit9721 4 жыл бұрын

Simon Legros you know that might actually work an for $2000 I’d definitely give it a shot

@360milliondollars 4 жыл бұрын

New Fords last for three years, lightly driven....such as mine for three years around 40,000 miles.....3000+ dollars to get it running again just to sell it, before a major expensive break.....then the compound breaks begin. You borrow these cars for three years thinking expenses will be cheap but its more like you should be making huge sums of money for the three years to pay upwards to about 10,000 in repairs around the 50 - 100 thousand miles range. It's not like its a break of the most expensive things at the same time more like like over a mileage you'll fix something then another thing breaks that can be critical for the car to run.

@waynes.2983 4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't you make a repair part with a bushing to take up the slack in that actuator?

@jake-the-neko5531 3 жыл бұрын

Does this problem occur on the 1.0 3 cylinder ecoboost

@robertmontgomery7158 4 жыл бұрын

Any harm to ignoring the turbo rattle?

@FordTechMakuloco 4 жыл бұрын

Eventually it will throw a P0299 Under boost.

@kevinkloepfer6079 3 жыл бұрын

@@FordTechMakuloco Does that light up the CEL or will it only be found through an OBD scan?

@williamwade7059 4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be happy either, 90k is nothing on a car that's been well maintained.

@JohnDiMartino 4 жыл бұрын

William Wade not at all, we get 150-200 k trouble free from our work trucks and there run hard , 3/4 t 6.0 Chevy/GMC.

@Davido50 4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDiMartino theres no issue with motors here ur comparing apples to oranges.

@williamwade7059 4 жыл бұрын

@@Davido50 Back in the day I could buy a Caterpillar turbo cartridge for $873 if I replaced it before the turbo failed, so I would do that as preventative maintenance. Cat doesn't offer them anymore so now I have to buy a rebuilt turbo for $2k. A person shouldn't have to replace a turbo because the waste gate has failed, there's something wrong with that picture.

@williamwade7059 4 жыл бұрын

@@LynxStarAuto Thanks for the info, I've never owned gas powered vehicle's with turbos, only diesels. I've always avoided turbocharged gas engines for that very reason but Ford has gone all in with them.

@Davido50 4 жыл бұрын

@@williamwade7059 I cant argue with that logic. I'm just not seeing failures across a wide range of engines...or in my personal case ..none.

@tro8p 2 ай бұрын

Great video and also so annoying we I have this problem, the turbo seems fine, no shaft play etc but the housing on wastegate is loose like this video, can you not just replace the flapper or intake it that requires some machine work? I have seen the flapper for sale.

@LukeRT 2 жыл бұрын

My truck just went in today for this noise thankfully has full warranty still, ford says it's the cam phasers so I'm stuck with them having to replace them first 😑 they are tapping as well but definitely have the waste gate issue as well

@rickketchumn4458 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve a 2012 f 150 FX4 I drive every day it’s got 141 K on it just started leaking transmission fluid from the front of the transmission had the transmission service about two month ago any thing to look for

@frugalprepper 4 жыл бұрын

I'd see if it's just leaking from the pan. It may just be loose bolts or a bad pan gasket hopefully.

@rickketchumn4458 4 жыл бұрын

No it’s no the pan I’m afraid it’s the front seal because it’s up in that area but just to start one morning

@arkyump 4 жыл бұрын

I had the same problem. Ford said it was a defective pan. Under warranty I had it replaced.

@bradvincet1848 4 жыл бұрын

If it's a pan leak it should be easily identified. I've read F150 transmissions have a known problem called a bulkhead leak.

@rickketchumn4458 4 жыл бұрын

Eric I looked at the pan it’s not pan it looks like it’s coming down and getting on the oil pan and saw bar

@jonarmedpiandsecurityoffic9051 4 жыл бұрын

Is nothing made to last anymore?

@Nostradamus_Order33 4 жыл бұрын

jon jonsson No

@406Steven 4 жыл бұрын

I work for a Subaru dealership and there's a new recall every week. I bought the best extended warranty I could when I got mine, we'll see how it holds up and see if it's something I keep past the warranty. Our sister store sells Toyota, Chevy, and Cadillac with another store handling VW and Audi. Across all of these brands I can attest that not one of them builds a quality vehicle, perhaps the online reviews are right and Hyundai/Kia are worth looking into!

@lbjailer 4 жыл бұрын

I have a Focus ST with the 2.0. So it is making noise, but is it causing performance issues? Is the turbo not providing boost? Is this an issue that has to be fixed? I'm just curious about what happens if you don't fix it? I would be trading my car in if it cost that much to repair.

@ghostinthetreeline 4 жыл бұрын

Walter Williams, I posted this reply to an earlier comment, so sorry to sound like I'm spamming but... "This very thing happened to my wife's '13 Edge with 2.0 ecoboost. Started as a rattle that I chased thinking it was exhaust heat shield/etc. Then one day going down the highway i noticed that it couldn't climb slight inclines without downshifting. That eventually turned into the check engine light for "underboost". I took it to the dealership and bam, bad turbo, one time use bolts/gaskets, need a new cat. I was lucky that it was just barely under the extended warranty, so it only cost me the $100 deductible. Not 4 months later on the new turbo and I already hear the loose startup when cold." I'm not trying to spook anybody, but I lived it with my wife's Edge, so it can happen.

@deanm3464 4 жыл бұрын

I bought a 2017 Escape with a 1.5L ecoboost for my wife and it's now at 50,000km and has had intercooler, intake plenum, and head gasket replaced. The problem started at 8000km and took ford 10,000km for them to diagnose (incorrectly) and repair. Got it back and same issue 8,000km laternow I had cracks in cylinder 2 and 3 so we got a new long block under warranty, 4,000 km later back in dealership and car was misfiring and running like crap got refreshed ran good. 3000 km later and it's back in the dealership getting rear differential rebuilt. Was a huge Ford guy but Ford Canada sure knows how to turn customers into Chevy Customers

@f86fman 4 жыл бұрын

I have never trusted turbos and never will, unless the industry forces me to (pun not intended). Give me a V-6 or straight 4, non-turbo.

@vn1500g3 4 жыл бұрын

And so this is why I haven't purchased a new car of any make for the last 20 years. The new technology is nice, but when it fails kids, you'll be crying when you have to pay to have it repaired!

@406Steven 4 жыл бұрын

I've long been a fan of buying something older for cheap, fixing it, and running it forever but have recently gotten fed up with having to fix old junk all of the time. I bought the first new car of my life about a month ago and it sure is nice knowing I can just get in and go somewhere without worrying about what's going to go wrong next. If something does go wrong, it comes with roadside service and a warranty to fix what's wrong. I'll take the loaner car from the dealership and run that until they fix what's wrong, it's a lot less stress than worrying about what's about to go wrong next on your old rig. I still love my old trucks, but there's something to be said for peace of mind.

@vn1500g3 4 жыл бұрын

@@406Steven Till the warranty runs out ---- !

@andywolf9778 Жыл бұрын

My 2015 f150 3.5 EcoBoost developed a rattle. instead of bringing it in I did some troubleshooting. Thankfully In my case it was failed clamps on the muffler heat shield. Easy fix!

@simonlee3877 4 жыл бұрын

Seems like your engine idle does not have another problem of rough idling rpm, mine and lots of ecoboost 2.0 engines with that problem. After cleaning the IAC, MAP sensors, still not work. Is that a permanent problem there please?

@Technician586 4 жыл бұрын

Wastegate rattle ha. N54 engines have been dealing with this for a decade, the difference Is theirs 2 Turbos.

@leifstrong 4 жыл бұрын

"put some Techron in da tank ! " , or , " Spray some silicone spray on da part ! " Wink.

@tymac3306 4 жыл бұрын

I love Turbos,....on my third turbocharged car now, 2015 golf TSI 1.8, 170 hp,2017 GTI 2.0 210 hp, now 2018 Golf R 2.0 Turbo 292 hp,...love torque

@OKHotrodder-cg5gu 5 ай бұрын

My '18 has this rattle. I go to O'reillys every day for parts(commercial side), and they always give me heck about the rattle. I tell them its the waste gate, but they all think its the timing set. Since I'm a mechanic, I've decided to wait till something breaks or gets pretty bad (turbo wise), so I know how long it can go and still be dependable. I have pretty good hearing and just sound alone, I can tell a lot about things just listening to them.

@kirkenstang 4 жыл бұрын

Whats even more depressing is the rust starting on the bottom of the door and the fact that you cant just replace that actuator bracket by itself.

@Another_Random_Dave 4 жыл бұрын

Upgrading the sound system is cheaper 🤠

@Joemauma_ 11 ай бұрын

A lot of people have luck adjusting the waste gate actuator rod to take up the slack. Solves under boost and helps with a lot of the rattle. Just don’t over do it or you may have an overboost issue, just get the slack out.

@boobizzy4173 4 жыл бұрын

Brian is the man!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 Happy New Years!

@Leroy100 4 жыл бұрын

Even the new turbo didn’t seem much better.

@FordTechMakuloco 4 жыл бұрын

It has to be loose so it doesn't bind in all operating conditions, remember this is on the exhaust side so it get's very hot and must pivot freely even when the metal expands as it heats up.

@406Steven 4 жыл бұрын

@@FordTechMakuloco Turbochargers have been around for a long time and many manufacturers have built turbocharged vehicles that can last well past 100k miles without such a failure, what makes these turbos different?

@bradmironik6137 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. You just proved to me another reason not to buy turbo vehicle. Under 100k miles of use is unacceptable.

@DSKSeattle 4 жыл бұрын

brad mironik Something broke on my non-turbo Toyota. This just proved to me another reason to not buy a non-turbo vehicle.

@Jagg61 4 жыл бұрын

I have had many turbocharged cars and trucks. I have a 2012 f150 3 5 twin turbo now. 74k miles. Not a single issue.

@AJourneyOfYourSoul 4 жыл бұрын

Will M I feel the exact same way. I use to love vehicles. Now, a complete waste of money and pain in the ass. They are too expensive to buy, too expensive to maintain, too complicated, too expensive to fix when they break, and stuff like this always happens now.

@timweflen9158 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for all your tech information. Is the a kit for wastegate flapper replacements on a 2019 f150 3.5 ecoboost.?

@V10PDTDI 4 жыл бұрын

This is not only a Ford problem Volkswagen and Audi cars and BMW have similar issues mostly the bushings that the waste gate shaft pivots into wear out and causes a low boost fault. I’m curious what is brand Turbocharger is it it looks like a IHI one more way the turbo can fail on a Volkswagen CCTA engine is the V band clamp break where the two halves are connected opposite of the securing bolts this is a stupid failure because your can’t buy a replacement at the dealer only if you look enough online you can find a replacement. Looks like the turbo could be a Borg Wagner brand I thought only IHI had a V band holding the center cartridge to the turbine housing but I guess I was wrong.

@robertpolkamp 4 жыл бұрын

Designed obsolescence by Ford.

@JonnyRicter 3 жыл бұрын

Robert Polkamp the turbos are designed and manufactured by BorgWagner.

@chrisj197438 4 жыл бұрын

Strange my old 940 Volvo got over 300K out of the original turbo.

@Davido50 4 жыл бұрын

Not the Volvos in last 5yrs or so. Plenty Ford EcoBoost are getting to 200k mis with orig turbos.

@chrisj197438 4 жыл бұрын

David Klimmek I’ll never own a FWD Volvo. When they started that their quality went downhill.

@406Steven 4 жыл бұрын

How much boost did your Volvo make? I've driven some of those older Volvos and they're great cars but the throttle pedal just determines how much noise it makes, not what you get in terms of acceleration.

@chrisj197438 4 жыл бұрын

UnsulliedSpy I don’t think it was much probably around 9 pounds. I never modified it so it was stock.

@PedroSanchez-rm8ue 4 жыл бұрын

I'm currently looking @ a 17 ford f-150 V6 with twin turbo. I'd like to know what you think. Any items I should inspect or ask about prior to the purchase. Thanks in advance.!!

@mjs43614 2 жыл бұрын

@fordtechmakuloco do you have part numbers for the parts that must be replaced to complete this repair? Thanks

@racekar80 4 жыл бұрын

Another reason to buy the V8 in the F150

@phillipcraggs6202 4 жыл бұрын

pour design, or designed to fail. The latter me thinks.

@JFomo 4 жыл бұрын

Ford engineering

@king21w48 4 жыл бұрын

@@JFomo so basically both

@brightstarlastname2812 4 жыл бұрын

Turbos always have to be maintained. Superchargers are less maintenance.

@brightstarlastname2812 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hatefully_Commiefornian Turbo parts are like tires. If you use them they wear out.

@brightstarlastname2812 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hatefully_Commiefornian It's cool.

@paulfiebke3909 4 жыл бұрын

What happens if you dont fix it? Most people tie the wast gate open for more power, thanks for showing these things and please keep up the good work

@Nostradamus_Order33 4 жыл бұрын

Paul Fiebke You mean, tie it closed

@acemobile9806 4 жыл бұрын

You'll set overboost codes & could overspeed the compressor wheel causing it to explode. The shrapnel that makes it thru the intercooler will go thru the engine & grenade it as well. Still wanna tie that wastegate shut?

@Nostradamus_Order33 4 жыл бұрын

David Oliver That scenario would not happen on a journal bearing turbo. Just saying 💁‍♂️

@acemobile9806 4 жыл бұрын

@@Nostradamus_Order33 how is that? Any turbo will explode if overboosted/oversped excessively. Bearing type has nothing to do with it. If centrifugal forces go beyond what the compressor or turbine wheel can withstand, it's coming apart in spectacular fashion. Usually it's the compressor wheel first because it's made out of weaker material.

@Gregg0112 4 жыл бұрын

I had an 18 escape in with a misfire code. It was running fine but the customer stated it stumbles in the morning on first start up. It was under warranty so I suggested he took it in to the dealer he had just purchased the car from. I guess a bolt backs out and punctures the water to air charge cooler and the inter cooler coolant makes its way into the cylinder on start up.