Ford Quick Tips #76: Door Ajar Switch Testing and Replacement

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7 жыл бұрын

Welcome back to the shop! Let go in depth with some theory and testing of Ford door ajar switches.
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@FordTechMakuloco 7 жыл бұрын

A mix of rust penetrant and WD-40 fixes most of these: Rust Penetrant I prefer- amzn.to/2pTXk94 Follow up with this- amzn.to/2rrmsF5 Long Life Latch Lubricant- amzn.to/2pL16pa

@MichaelAChang 7 жыл бұрын

These videos are so helpful. Thanks so much!

@buckelsass8599 6 жыл бұрын

I got the door ajar switch out.. I crossed the terminals in the plug - when I do that the dome light stays on &I get the dinger alarm.. when I remove the jumper, the dinger stops.. and the dome light stays on. when I reconnect the door ajar switch the dome light stays on.. when I depress the metal button on the switch, the dome light stays on AND I get the dinger alarm.

@kellimoneyhan3017 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I stopped the video to try the rust penetrant solution first...and it worked!!

@user-lw2po6lu3k 2 жыл бұрын

bad advise

@kiingmj441 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-lw2po6lu3k why so? And I’m just curious

@jdbwz5307 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting this video. Spraying WD40 fixed mine. I am so grateful to people like you who post helpful videos like this.

@craigape 5 ай бұрын

This video is amazing, thank you so much. As an American living abroad, this saved me from waiting three weeks for the part to ship internationally. The diagnostic work to tell if the wiring is faulty is so simple but I wouldn't have thought of it. I pulled the sensor and sprayed WD40 directly at it to try to clear it up, plugged it back in and pressed down to test it. If I pressed lightly it thought the door was closed, but if I pushed even harder it thought it was open again. I decided to open the sensor itself by lifting the tabs at the middle on both sides, and once I got the part in the middle out that rests on a spring I saw a ton of gunk that was interfering with the contact. I cleaned that out and it worked, but once reassembled I still had occasional issues. This is when I sprayed WD40 into the overall mechanism, and after that I had no issues. My advice to anyone who can't fix it with the WD40 alone and is going to replace the sensor, is to try opening and cleaning out the sensor. At this point you don't have anything to lose, and it worked for me.

@Walterlaron1993 6 жыл бұрын

The paperclip trick worked perfectly. I've been dealing with the chime for months waiting for warmer days. Within 5 minutes had the door diagnosed. Thanks for uploading.

@d.spcsolutions1758 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the informational video. I just purchased a pre-owned 2012 Ford transit with this issue. I'm a hands on type of person, I will tackle this fix with more confidence knowing what to look for. I appreciate you helping out the car community. I hope you continue to do so.

@KenSellers 4 жыл бұрын

@ 5:14 - the unlocking of the tab to allow the switch to come out - just what I needed. It wasn't shown in other videos. Thanks!

@doughibbard8462 4 жыл бұрын

Very helpful information. My switch wasn't stuck and never would have been able to get it out without breaking something. Opened swith up and had to clean contacts inside. Working great now. Thanks for vids.

@BrianSmith-lo3mj 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting another great video. I know these things go bad a lot on the 1998-2011 Ford Ranger 4-door extended cab and I think the back sensors go out more than the front ones do. It's really annoying when you're going down the road and it's making the beeping sound and you're dome light keep going off and on.

@charlesbaumgartner3295 3 жыл бұрын

penatrent worked like a charm. A million thanks for that tip!!!

@benjaminmeza5372 4 жыл бұрын

2005 ford taurus se, the door panel was easy as hell to get off and then removed some of the moisture plastic, removed the three mount screws and oiled the lock enough that the door sensor and electrical plug came off with a little twisting, ( Had to feel around because you can't see because of the way ford designed the door....idiots ) After i removed the door ajar sensor and just left the plug hanging i drove the car around the block and no more annoying dash noise.....thank god! Put the door panel back on with ease and now i will never ever have to hear that noise again. ( I am not going to replace it, not really necessary to have a door ajar chime. ) Without your video i would of never new what the hell i was doing...THANKS A MILLION, this is not the first time you have saved me.

@ajd26 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting this. I use the cleaning option and my door switch is working now you’re the best. I used PB blaster

@gregc6661 4 жыл бұрын

Your video is very clear and concise, thank you! Let’s hope this solves the problem on my daughter’s ‘11 Mustang tomorrow

@mikecont9742 5 жыл бұрын

Really informative video. Invaluable information. Thanks for taking the time.

@sizmasta 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Didn't even know where to start looking LOL one shot of WD-40 and it fixed the problem thanks again

@TravelingBeasts Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video! With the help of this video and another. Was able to easily understand how it goes in there. As well as how to get the switch not only out as easily as possible without removing the whole latch like you did. But by simply watching the other video 1st on how to get it out by removing the latch SCREWS, then moving the whole unit out a little, then removing the door lock (yellow piece) away from it. So that way I could pry the whole unit out a bit. Sticking my head through the inside of the door helped too. To see where the spot was to insert the new switch. With that I lined it up like you showed and popped it back into place. Not as hard I thought. Thanks again!

@markh3478 2 жыл бұрын

All your videos are very well done and helpful , especially showing where and when to clean and lube when working on Ford vehicles . On this one am wondering if a simple continuity test at the two pins would work to diagnose whether the door switch is faulty . Open door latch = infinite resistance and closed door = little to no resistance ? By the way on horns that stop working have fixed them by drilling small hole in upper horn body and shooting in WD40 to free up the vibrator mechanism then shake out excess WD 40 . Then smear grease into hole to block potential water and crud ingress.

@colbybenson3997 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you bud! Great video! Bingo! saved me the trouble of reading schematics and wasting time! I appreciate it!

@timmesic 7 жыл бұрын

Again, really like your videos! Thanks for the info and the education. Tim

@lauragall6715 2 жыл бұрын

I'd just like to say thanks. Very helpful. Fixed my door latch.

@seanmehnert1282 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome video brother! I have a 2004 focus SVT where when I am driving and hitting minor imperfections in the road, The door ajar light and interior light comes on and goes off intermittently. The plunger on the striker plate side seems to be working just fine. The lock actuator works fine, as the light goes on and off fine as the car stationary. Part of me thinks it is a short in the connector for the striker plate switch, because the jostling from the bumps in the road makes it go on and off. Any help would be great thank you

@morganjenkins3965 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I have wife's 2013 Edge with this problem, was wondering how to fix it. She hates the warning message and lights being on.

@bkcurtin2621 3 жыл бұрын

Yes!! Worked on my '99 Expedition (it was the liftgate latch). Thank you!!

@joshingforfun 5 жыл бұрын

The WD-40 worked on my 2003 Mercury Sable! Thanks!

@reaperronin8898 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting, a great help...! As I was watching your video,, I was thinking, while I’m in there, I will be installing a after market alarm in my 2006 F150... could you tell me which wire I would use for the alarm, if someone opens the door when the alarm is armed..... Again, Thank You for all your help...!

@joshmckinnon1111 7 жыл бұрын

Good to know how to test it...I had a problem with mine last winter(puddle lights staying on)...sprayed with a lot of plastic safe lube and it fixed it (at least for now);-)

@janghyuk8636 Жыл бұрын

Having this problem, but mine is a 2013 cadillac SRX, this helps me understand more of what needs to be done, the concept is pretty much the same. As you said, the hardest part is getting the door panel off and all the othe stuff lol.

@frankdaiii6403 4 жыл бұрын

I LITERALLY followed right along with you with my pop's rear door latch on my kitchen table!! THANKS A TON!!

@micahobaca 3 жыл бұрын

thank you for this video, i had an alarm installed on my 02 mustang gt and the shop said the alarm wont trigger on the passenger side until i replace the door pin switch, i was looking for an explanation for this, great video! thanks a lot!

@joshnabours9102 2 жыл бұрын

It looks like the actual switch comes apart. I'm going to try it tonight. We will see if it does. Edit: well figuring out how to get the door latch out on my 15 year old Ford took more hours than I am willing to admit. After I finally got the thing out I found that you can indeed take the sensor apart easily. A precision flathead screwdriver is all you need. At 0:13 in the video you can see how there are 2 different colored plastics for the sensor by his thumb. You lightly pry up the latching tab for the darker white plastic part on each side and the case pulls apart. The first side's u shaped latch will sit on top of the locking tab while you do the second one if you do it right. I will add a other edit later on if I was able to get it working again. Edit 2: it was probably savable. All that is inside is a rubber / silicone seal, a plastic piece that holds a u shaped metal contact, and a spring. The grease or dirt from the past 15 years was blocking the u shaped metal piece from connecting the 2 contacts together. I cleaned it out with "heavy duty silicone spray and multi-use lubricant" I am sure any brand silicone spray or electrical cleaner would work. I broke the spring though so I will need to find a new one to replace it with.....

@fluffykandie 6 ай бұрын

Hi did you end up getting a new spring? If so, where please?

@IIISWILIII 5 жыл бұрын

Super helpful video - thank you for posting this!

@BkA61 7 жыл бұрын

Question for you I swapped my cluster in 08 f150 gained a tach, but lost the door ajar warning I have crank window cluster is out of electric window model. do I have to get into vehicle control module to fix this? or Simpler way?

@hfdpyle Жыл бұрын

I should have started with step one...penatrating oil. Once I realized my fat fingers couldn't unplug the connector easily, I tried the wd40 and it worked within seconds! Thank you

@JIMN26 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I sprayed mine down with WDFantastic40. Does that usually fix this stuck switch issue?

@shaunfreeze9703 3 жыл бұрын

Dude you are amazing! Please keep the videos coming!

@clarencemitchell4020 17 күн бұрын

Just did my 07 expy xlt, worked like a champ thanks for the video

@busaboi4669 3 жыл бұрын

Just it hosed down with wd 40 and worked like a charm! Thanx! Actually my door lights would not turn off and now they turn off and on when i open door like there supposed too thanx!

@biggouger 6 жыл бұрын

pulled the fuse 10 years ago , finally fixed it thanks to you!

@tonyorob 4 жыл бұрын

Which fuse did you pull?

@Eric.schmidt 7 жыл бұрын

I made good money replacing these switches when I was a tech. When my 99F250 started having issues I hosed it with pb blaster and didn't have it act up for about 8 years of ownership afterwards.

@christianhilditch9333 2 жыл бұрын

Excuse me sir? Do you have any experience with 97 F250. Do you remove the whole door latch? Or weasel in thru the door access ports.

@Eric.schmidt 2 жыл бұрын

@@christianhilditch9333 some you could sneak in others you have to loosen the latch from the door. Don’t take all the rods loose, just let it hang in the door

@garybruno4360 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. Do you have any information on the interior alert system, my intrusion alarm keeps going off in the middle of the night, I have it selected to perimeter only but it keeps going back to the full system. My neighbors aren’t very happy with me. This is a 2019 F-350 Superduty. Thanks

@SubliminalVerde 10 ай бұрын

Really good video helps when you pull it out and actually see the mechanism 😊

@soderlund416 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips. The pb blaster in the jam trick seems to have worked.

@HijodeDios305 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man worked on my 2006 mustang. Even though I had to remove the door panel and literally remove that part to lubricate it by hand since mines was in a really bad shape.

@TeamKlockworkbassfishing 5 жыл бұрын

Hey buddy have a quick question having same problem with my 04 Monte Carlo inwa s told they have the same issues. My door ajar light and some lights stating on

@KERNFUZED 5 жыл бұрын

Bud i love all Ya vids!! The Ghost thing made me spill my Coffe Crackin up ! I needded that ..Have good one! Back to work on my 05 6.0 excur..

@BegoneJonah Жыл бұрын

2004 Ford Explorer. Gee, I'm glad you took that switch out of the door latch assembly at the 5:11 point. Very illustrative. I spent about an hour trying to test fit the old part into that hole just to make sure I did it right with the new part, and didn't realize that a bit of plastic, a tab, snapped off of the old part. It was stuck inside the assembly, so the test fit wouldn't hold. Confusing. I used a very small screwdriver to remove it. So beware! Check the switch you remove; it should have a tab on the shaft. If it doesn't, check inside and remove the broken part or you'll never get the new part to snap in and hold!

@saitsaatcigil9830 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, My Friend. I am grateful!

@robertwelch3899 Жыл бұрын

Great most of the time. Sounds real good especially for a triton and its got good fuel pressure.

@mtlassen1992 Жыл бұрын

Soaked it with WD 40 on only my driver door latch since its the one used 99% of the time. Works great now. Thinking the desert dust with be sticking to it now, so I might take it apart later and do a good cleaning, maybe use dry graphite. Thank you for this video!

@artxofxwar 8 ай бұрын

trying this now to see

@lauchondecaucho 6 жыл бұрын

HI guys, thanks so much for your videos. I have an issue and I've been searching in the internet for a while with no luck. I have a F150 2003 Lariat. The lights on the doors doesn't turn on. Also, the reading lights of the rear part of the cab. They work though if I press the switch, but in order to turn them off, I have to leave the switch press half way. If I press it all way, when I lock the truck, they turn on again. Weird, uh? If any of you can give me some advice plz! Thx!

@selvamg635 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, Your video is very useful for me. thanks for your video and clear explanation

@fausterking4383 3 жыл бұрын

Done. Thanks you, I didn’t even have to call ghost busters.

@mitch5589 7 жыл бұрын

Ford Edge has this problem slot. We have a lot of people ask in our FB group pages.

@jameswalker8706 2 жыл бұрын

Right on brother. I’m gonna try this next. I replaced the DDM and no change. So this is my next attempt. I’ve got an active door ajar indicator on the dash but no chime. I’ve got no dome lights and no door locks. But power seats and power mirrors and power windows all work fine. No response from door lock function at switch ( tried a new switch ) no response when ignition key cycled 8 times, no response at keypad with last two buttons, no response when in drive or in park. Also noticed no power to trunk release. Even tho this is an aggravating issue I must admit I’m having fun trying to figure it out. Gonna keep the car for as long as God allows so new door switches next!!! Lol

@thomasmiddlebrooke1012 4 жыл бұрын

@FordTechMakuloco, Okay, so I got into my 02 explorer driver door, and found two damaged but not broken wires. Taped them up. Now the door sensor works KOEO, but not KOER. The moment after I start it up, it begins acting up as if no repair has been made. Ideas?

@whoisroman6415 6 жыл бұрын

Got my Focus fixed..thanks for the info

@mrvic92154 6 жыл бұрын

I was about to stop watching it until you mentioned to lubricate it with WD-40 and thank you very much it's fixed

@MrGdbsti05 7 жыл бұрын

thanks you for your videos i bought a used 07 f150 5.4l with 100k miles i was a little scared but your videos helped me out

@yazzyfresh 3 жыл бұрын

I have the same problem did you replace the whole sensor or did the wd40 work for you

@MrGdbsti05 3 жыл бұрын

@@yazzyfresh i did use the wd40 and it worked for about two months then i ended up replacing the sensor and has been working correctly for about 2 years now.

@handydaddy4232 2 жыл бұрын

Silicone lubricant spray fixed mine. Thank you for the tip!

@stevewilliams6354 3 жыл бұрын

Great job on the video very detailed thanks

@davidlaforest 7 жыл бұрын

Had that happen on my 98 and 06 taurus door ajar when closed and wd-40 fixed it when sprayed into door latch

@MrFnarocks 4 жыл бұрын

Could this also be the problem of random alarm going off on 06 Ford Taurus? I have soaked with lithium grease & WD40. It stopped for a couple of weeks, but started up again.

@hootsjob 7 жыл бұрын

Do you have a video showing same problem but door lock assy has cherry switch?

@Curtis.StMartin 6 жыл бұрын

I'm experiencing the same thing but I also noticed the drivers side electric door lock doesn't function either. Could this be a separate issue ???

@tssa5466 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Can you do one for the tailgate ajar? Looking to do it as an addon. 2017 f150 Lariat

@mercman0071 2 жыл бұрын

THIS RIGHT HERE!!! I wish I had found this first before reading forums and doing a lot of unnecessary work.

@Felipe302GT 4 жыл бұрын

How would I try this method on a 2017 Ford Explorer with the Liftgate? Thanks!!!!

@carlcelle2060 2 жыл бұрын

Can you use a scanner to figure out which door is causing the issue? I have a 2004 F150 SuperCrew. I have had this issue for years. I tried various sprays but it didn't work so I just learned to live with it. Now I want to try and tackle this again. Thanks

@202tupper 4 жыл бұрын

2005 Sable happened to pass side door found the power ground exact opposite open off closed on- simply unplugged switch that day as i only had a phillips screw driver so couldnt remove latch

@jefftitus8502 Жыл бұрын

Answered my questions! Thanks boss!

@crashbang1566 7 жыл бұрын

We had to standard no button keys programmed by a locksmith for our 2013 f250. They work fine but when we start truck with them a message appears saying intkey cant be programmed. It dissapears after few seconds. The original remote key dosnt do this.. Why do the new keys trigger that message and will it cause issyes later?

@Antbop1 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, WD 40 fixed my problem. I had constant chime noise while door was closed and alarm will randomly go off. What i think caused the problem is a couple days before the issue i had my tints done and they have to use water to put the film on.

@DoomBoss-lc2it 7 жыл бұрын

I'm having problems with my 2017 Ford pickup F 150 when I in the morning when it's cold jumps you have to have the brakes on a really hurt so far they haven't figured out what's wrong with it I wondered if you had any idea thanks name to Dennis VA GI

@josephlam3607 2 жыл бұрын

Do the 6th gen Mustangs have the same mechanism? On mine, the door ajar warning works fine but the window randomly does the small drop as if I was opening the door. It feels like the switch now has two steps (or there are two separate switches that trigger at slightly different points)? When it works fine, I tried slowly opening my door and noticed that it would first trigger the small window drop and as the door opened a tiny bit more then door ajar / dome lights came on.

@MrFreddyelgato 6 жыл бұрын

HI I have a 02 ford explorer the problem with that is that the dome light and the side mirror light stay on for like 30 minutes then go off what could b the problem?

@TheFordmudtrucks 7 жыл бұрын

I have a 03 f150 the door chime's about 5 times every now and again while driving the dome light doesn't turn on. Would this be the problem?

@bIgbossdornel1574 4 жыл бұрын

Does this apply to Lincoln town cars as well ? Hey he passenger rear door won’t lock at all, even when you drive off. Any help appreciated

@Monahandsom3 4 жыл бұрын

Just had this issue for the first time today. Don’t know if it’s related to the cold or not, but it’s quite annoying to try to drive around with dome lights you can’t shut off.

@larryguidry1463 2 жыл бұрын

I tried it what you said to do and it worked thank you very much

@institches7321 4 жыл бұрын

I need some help... I jumped my connectior at the door switch but still get the door ajar message. I tested continuity from the switch connection to the A pillar connection, which checks out good. I should be able to test now from the switch connector to the fuse panel connector, without taking the door off again correct? what if that checks good?

@eddiereichel9354 3 жыл бұрын

3:23 I just fixed a 2006 F250. No door ajar operation from passenger side. I found that the system operates exactly opposite of what you described. Open circuit the dome light is off. When ground is applied (switch closed) it turns on. When I tore the truck apart it was missing the door ajar switch on that side. I ordered one from Ford and plugged it in andnothing. Got to looking around found the last mechanic's light in the door. I traced wire back to a broken spot on driver door sill.

@simonmeadows4779 5 жыл бұрын

I sprayed a fair amount of wd40 into the latch , it kinda worked after open and closed few times, the warning was gone but then it came bk on after I open and closed again?

@jamesmalekisabellasking2031 5 жыл бұрын

My 2006 Ford Crown Victoria driver front door acts opposite of this. Door opened or closed the door open indicator chime does not illuminate and dome light does not come on. All other 3 doors work as they should. Would this be the door latch sensor or something else??

@allenheld1015 3 жыл бұрын

question...do you have to replace just the driver's side or are there switches in all the doors that need cleaning. How do you know which door sensor is bad?

@Ilovetosingem 4 жыл бұрын

Nice one, thanks for the tip. Singem. PS Do you know the colours of those two wires please.

@CathyTerrito 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 2007 Mercury Mountaineer. Sometimes while driving, the dome light will suddenly come on and the automatic driver seat will move back, like the door has been opened. Really freaks you out going 70 miles an hour! Any ideas on what to check or how to fix. It seems to do it mostly when another door or the back hatch has been opened and shut, but not any particular one. And sometimes when you hit a bump in the road.

@WildCamperAdventures Күн бұрын

You're awesome!! Thanks so much 🙏 🎉

@Jake-uu6qj 3 жыл бұрын

02 Super Duty super cab. New door switches and new calibrated VSM. The door ajar and dome light work in reverse. Door open lights off, closed on. There is a different part number from 01 to 02 reference the door ajar switches. I wonder if I have 01 door latches causing the 02 switches to be incorrect. Any advice ?

@crcdesign9886 7 жыл бұрын

Im currently working on a navigator 06..none of the locks work whether using the fob or either front door. The backlights on the lock switch work. Everytime you press either lock or unlock I hear the relay click inside the VSM..The only anomoly is when you press the driver side lock switch the relay in the VSM only clicks when you press lock. You don't hear it pressing unlock on the driver side. Also I'm not sure if this is related but the driver window doesn't work either.

@412psekustomzllc7 5 жыл бұрын

Does Ford use the same switch on the F150's as the Explorers?

@robertwelch3899 Жыл бұрын

Hey Brian. I have a 2006 Ford F-150 with a 5.4, pretty sure its the 3 valve. Extended cab. Half doors in back. I am having an issue with what i thought was the door ajar switch. I ordered a replacement switch off rock auto which is supposedly a genuine motorcraft replacement, i dont know for sure. I tried to diag with these tips. When i unplug the switch the lights didnt come on. When i turn the dimmer switch on dash all the way up the lights will come on. I havent gotten the latch completely out yet idk if im going to cause im not positive the switch is the problem. Im doing it on the driver door. Could i also have a bad switch on passenger door causing both not to work? What else could be wrong causing this?

@johncollins8304 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Just wish I had an in-the-door switch like this. On my Fiesta '96, they're in the columns. Neither switches any longer operate the dome light or buzzer warning for lights on key in ignition. Manual says module is behind facia between steering column and radio and resembles a relay -- I can't find it. Any ideas before I take car to a shop? Many thanks.

@TEDodd 2 жыл бұрын

Still has to be something on the door to know it's open or closed. The steering volume doesn't know where the door is.

@BonBon-uz5iq Жыл бұрын

Question would the door ajar light have any thing to do with middle Council shutting off “radio, heat” When I’m driving door open will pop up then the middle counsel shuts down sometimes it comes back on a few seconds later last night not so lucky stayed off. I’ve been researching videos I can’t find any connection with the two? I have a 2011 Ford fusion SE

@revdrshad 5 жыл бұрын

Does this switch stop the door from latching during very cold, freezing weather? 2004 Taurus SE. When the weather is very cold, or I've washed the vehicle, and it later freezes, the door won't latch shut until it warms up. I've WD-40'd it, and greased it repeatedly. I now have to heat it up with a lighter until the latch catches, and the door stays closed.

@brokenwrench404 2 жыл бұрын

Does the GEM module control the door switches? I had a windshield leak on my 2000 f250 which killed my battery. After charging them I noticed that my power step courtesy lights were on with the steps up and the doors closed and the steps won’t deploy at all. I’m thinking the windshield leak screwed something up and released the gremlins

@nathantaylor6378 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video! I installed a puck lock on the rear doors but the van kept saying the door was open. Just off enough to not engage that sensor. Just ended up find that connector in the door and closing the circuit with some wire. Now the van thinks the doors are closed 😃.

@JOHNPHUFNAGEL 7 жыл бұрын

This has nothing to do with this video but I need some help I am working on a 05 f150 with a 5.4 engine that has a random BANK 2 misfire, customer put all new coils and plugs in it. Fuel trims are normal O2's are switching normally. I have 3.6 psi of backpressure at 3k rpm and almost nothing at idle. The miss goes away above 1300 rpm. Customer has known good used cats that he is going to put on it but I am not totally convinced that the cats are the problem. What are your thoughts and is this a common problem on this engine? I appreciate the help. Thanks