Ford Raptor vs RAM 2500 Power Wagon: Can the Power Wagon beat the Raptor?

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Күн бұрын

I've owned my Raptor for about 5 years. It's an amazing truck and it really lives up to its reputation as a capable all-round off-road vehicle. I just picked up a new 2022 Power Wagon. Whenever I get a new off road vehicle I test it out to see what it's capable of, and where the weak points (read potential upgrades) are. In this video I'll show you how the Power Wagons stacks up against the Raptor as I try it out off road for the first time.
Video Contents
00:00 - Introduction
00:27 - Washboard Test
01:55 - Ditch Test
03:06 - High Speed Dip Test
03:29 - Ramp Test
04:23 - Conclusion

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@vincentowens3513 Жыл бұрын

The difference between these trucks is that a power wagon would be leaning towards a working individual using that truck for those needs, firewood, rough roads, etc. Raptor is for a dude named Thad to pick up his kids every other weekend from their moms house.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

It makes me so sad to see people buying Raptors and *never* taking them on the dirt. They are such awesome off-road trucks.

@stevehinkley1530 Жыл бұрын

Might as well be comparing a spoon and a fork. Two completely different trucks - about the only thing they share in common is that they have wheels, 4 doors and a bed.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

You're not wrong, but there's a method to my madness...

@decklanburkhart8113 Жыл бұрын

for real. Powerwagon would be a boss for legit trails slow to moderate speed and much better at slow crawling... specially with the solid front axle. Hell it probably would have outdone the raptor int he ditch test if the swaybar was disconnected.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

@@decklanburkhart8113 The Raptor still had more articulation on the ramp test - the suspension travel on that truck is superb! Watch this space to see how I address this...

@Ls-gz2uc Жыл бұрын

I keep seeing this test over and over and I don’t know why. I don’t judge people for their videos. I can’t wrap my head around this comparison. I guess it’s just a PW owner tick we have. All owners truly know why they have a wagon, pros and cons.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

@@Ls-gz2uc For me, it's because I love my Raptor, but it's got to go and so I have the PW. When I buy a new vehicle I like to find out what it's capable of, so that I can drive it appropriately. In this case, it's not as capable as I'd like to it be, or as the Raptor was, so I need to be mindful of that....

@saggon2001 Жыл бұрын

It might be useful to know the raptor is a 1/2 ton truck and the power wagon is a 3/4 ton truck. The wagon is nearly 2,000 lbs heavier, has solid front suspension and capable of locking all 4 tires together directly for maximum traction, oh and it also has a wench, and despite its greater capabilities, it’s sexier interior, it’s also a bit less expensive. So eat your heart out Raptor.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

The weight difference makes a big difference for sure. The Raptor does have a torsion locking diff at the front, so the front wheels do lock when they lose traction. I love the torsion locking diffs and had them on my old Bronco. The locking diffs in the PW are great, but sometimes take a bit of work to engage.

@mackenzieklazinga6507 Жыл бұрын

Power wagon is a rock crawler… Raptor is a dune buggy meant for the Mojave desert… I’m not understanding why you’d compare the two

@zacateco5010 Жыл бұрын

So true

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

I agree with you - they are different trucks. In my opinion *any* off-road truck should drive along a washboard road with control, which the Power Wagon does not. Also, when you get a new truck it's important to understand what it is (or is not) capable of. In this case, its nowhere near as capable as the Raptor - even with the "rock crawling" tests like the ramp test and the ditch test. So, as a "rock crawler" it definitely has its limitations, and now I have identified them I can try to address them.

@MissleT0E Жыл бұрын

I see what you’re trying to accomplish but next time, either do Tremor vs PW or Raptor vs TRX

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

I'd love to do that. Sadly I don't own all those trucks. If Ford and RAM want to lend me some trucks I'd be happy to do another video.

@bryanlewis8891 Жыл бұрын

Apples to oranges comparison.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

They are very different, but its still good to see how they stack up.

@fscottgray9784 Жыл бұрын

Better get yourself a TRX to compete with your Raptor. Many people think that going right to 37s on a PW is the thing to do but I feel there are too many trade offs so I prefer going to 35 inch tires on my PW. Good review.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the compliment! The TRX is impressive, but I think the Raptor is still the benchmark. The low MPG and small tank on the TRX don't really make it the long-distance desert explorer that the Raptor is. I know the Power Wagon doesn't compare and that's ok - I'm going to use it for what it was made for. Stay tuned...

@marvinheadrick3511 Жыл бұрын

Are you sure you had the sway bar disconnected on the ditch test? The PW will absolutely out flex the Raptor. The Raptor is made for bombing (which it is awesome at) while the PW is for crawling. I see lots of people going with Carli suspension to fix the fast washboard road situation, which is great, but people rarely address the low front bumper on the PW. I put on the Chassis Unlimited front bumper, which I would recommend. It would have allowed you to get up the ramp test unobstructed.

@ecocav0222 Жыл бұрын

@marvinheadrick3511 The sway bar will reconnect at about 20 mph if I remember correctly. The problem with the Power Wagon is the heavy sprung springs even though it's softer compared to normal 2500.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

@@marvinheadrick3511 yep -swaybar was disconnected.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

@@ecocav0222 yep - those stock springs are *so* stiff. I'll be glad to be rid of them soon!

@patrickburgmeier7902 Жыл бұрын

Dip test you didn't disconnect the front sway bar. If you would have done that Powerwagon wouldn't have come off the ground. The washboard test you drove the Powerwagon at 40mph and the raptor at only 30. But with the suspension in the raptor it should be softer. But the real test is the narrow stance on the trails, electric locking differentials and the front winch standard equipment on the Powerwagon.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you noticed the speed difference on the washboard test. Good catch! You know how, when you're driving along a washboard road, you tend to reach a "comfortable" speed, and sometimes the faster you go the smoother it gets?. The raptor got there at 30mph. I was still trying to find that "comfortable" speed at 40mph in the PW, when it started to hop around at the back end, so I stayed at that speed. 30mph in PW was even worse. The Raptor is certainly wide for narrow trails. The PW is longer, so it makes navigating narrow trails quite challenging - both trucks have their compromises.

@artszabo1015 11 ай бұрын

Funny how you didn't respond to the swaybar question@@goofingoffroad

@Steve-yr5vi Жыл бұрын

I was gonna knock this video; however this comparison IS useful. Comparisons between the Raptor R and TRX result in "both are great trucks", but this comparison illustrates key differences between these two different types of very capable off-roaders.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the recognition. I hope to be illuminating with the information I am presenting.

@saulloya9877 Жыл бұрын

I can’t believe your channel hasn’t exploded yet but it will soon my friend! Thanks for the great content and as always look forward to the next one

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words of encouragement! There are more and bigger things coming soon - watch this space...

@stevenpeterson7234 Жыл бұрын

Umm... not understanding your video!! The Power Wagon is the best heavy duty truck available!! It would crush the Raptor. The only thing the Raptor beat the Power Wagon in was the high speed off road test.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

Maybe try watching the video again?

@user-rk2ww2cm4v Жыл бұрын

Maybe he's just "goofing off" and you don't need to understand it... just enjoy it (which I do)... I can't wait to see the "real reason I bought the PW" video...

@stevenpeterson7234 Жыл бұрын

@@goofingoffroad I'll watch it again..... 🤔

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

@@user-rk2ww2cm4v its coming...

@Konig91939 24 күн бұрын

I wish this is still the case (power wagon being the best heavy-duty off-road truck ) because now, there is the Shelby Super Baja and it's monstrous. What yall think is better the PW or the Shelby Super Baja?

@johnmorales9584 Жыл бұрын

The powerwagon has a better RTI score than the ford. Articulation is better on the wagon. Plus, independent front suspension is not as good as solid axle for serious offroading. It didn't look as you were measuring front and rear articulation, just the rear. Also, your comparing the two trucks on the ford's terms where Baja was what it was designed for. Try comparing in rock crawling as well as other situations where it does not cater to the strengths of one. Saying the wagon is not as good on high speed whoops then declaring the ford a better offroader seems strange to me. I could just as easily say, the wagon tows more, therefore it's a better truck. Considering the price difference between the two, I would buy the wagon, put on a Carli suspension, still save about 10k dollars and have a better Baja and rock crawler in the end.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

They are definitely two different trucks built for two different purposes. RTI doesn't always equal real-world performance. For example, the PW's front bumper is a major inhibitor of approach angle and the Raptor's larger tires IFS mean better ground clearance at the front. I've rock-crawled the Raptor and it can be hairy for sure - but the point is to look at the trucks "from the factory". Spoiler alert - we can explore the PW with the Carli suspension and see what that's like - watch this space...

@johnmorales9584 Жыл бұрын

@@goofingoffroad RTI specifically measures articulation, I'm not refering to approach/departure angles and their effects on real world performance. It is also worth mentioning that a simple swap of tires to 35 would even out those approach/departure numbers without needing any modifications on the wagon to do so. I would agree that 35 tires are not stock, but the truck itself is still stock and would be a better way to compare the trucks on even footing. Of course, I am looking forward to your Carli suspension videos on the wagon.

@emhawkins3214 Жыл бұрын

The Power Wagon, historically and currently, is an off road work horse. The Raptor is an off road toy you can also do light duty truck stuff with. The Power Wagon is a medium duty work truck you can also take off road or on poorly maintained service/fire roads either for work or play. Power Wagon owner here. Fun channel, though.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

Nice summary. What do you like now about your Power Wagon?

@emhawkins3214 Жыл бұрын

@@goofingoffroad I think it's a jack of all trades and master of...some. I don't tow, so I don't mind the reduced capacity due to the suspension mods. I've had 24 bags of conrete in the back, no problem. I've had it loaded with freshly cut maple (so wet) and no problem, and I won't likely need more payload. I've driven it 20 hours straight on the highway with no discomfort issues (thank God for podcasts or boredom may have got me) so it's a great highway cruiser. I've not done any real technical offroading, but have done things like Black Gap and Old Ore Road at Big Bend Nat'l Park, so it does the sort of fire roads and unmaintained trails I'm interested in. So, all in all, a very comfortable truck for work and play. Completely stock 75th anniversary package, except White Knuckle sliders and a Carli front diff guard as additions.

@dannyhoward3437 Жыл бұрын

Which one does better in a Starbucks drive-thru? My vote is Raptor.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

You get cool points for the Raptor for sure. I'd say a red RAM TRX is the best Starbucks drive-thru truck though...

@panchorancho6274 3 ай бұрын

Cool Comparison everyone Says its not comparable but nobody does these comparisons so its needed in this industry of you cant do this cant do that do whatever the hell you want!

@goofingoffroad 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the enouragement. I hope it was useful!

@malcolmn.5222 Жыл бұрын

Throw a carli dominator system on that power wagon and you kinda heavy duty trx

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a great idea!

@christiandulaney1638 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review. Great production quality! Id pick the Ram all day every day. I just think the interior outshines the Raptor Looks wise, the Raptor is hard to beat, but overall Id choose the PW

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

If you haven’t sat in a Raptor I’d suggest doing so before making a decision. They are both really comfortable and well appointed.

@bearchow1929 21 күн бұрын

Should have done a tug of war. See who breaks front axle first.

@claudewroten5103 Жыл бұрын

Power Wagon is much better

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

What you use yours for?

@t.c.4933 7 ай бұрын

You are comparing a 3/4 Power Wagon to a 1/2 Ford. Power Wagon for work, Raptor for play.

@goofingoffroad 7 ай бұрын

Yep - and I want to do "raptor things" in the power wagon AND have a work truck - and so the journey begins...

@mojo4376 Жыл бұрын

I’ll take the Raptor please.

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

Too late - I sold it already :)

@davidshay4773 11 ай бұрын

Raptor is a desert runner the Power Wagon is at home in the mountains

@goofingoffroad 11 ай бұрын

That may be so, but as I am in the desert a lot of the time, I would like the PW to be at home there as well!

@cesarlujan4920 11 ай бұрын

Jajaja 😂 he visto atorarce a la raptor dónde la power wagon ni siquiera toca los parachoques. DEMACIADO TENDENCIOSO EL VÍDEO A FAVOR DE LA RAPTOR... LA REVEL LA SUPERA, Y LA TRX LA DESTROZA EN EL TODO TERRENO... LA RAPTOR R es lo mismo solo acelera un poco más rápido. Pero a quien le importa un segundo de diferencia.

@briansullivan1882 Жыл бұрын

Definitely not a smart truck guy

@goofingoffroad Жыл бұрын

Cool perspective - what would you have done differently?

@London_pound 6 ай бұрын

PW only wins by lugging more gear and I’m not 6 foot u can actually sleep in the bed

@goofingoffroad 6 ай бұрын

The PW is definitaly rated for a heavier load capacity. Each truck has it's place off-road. The PW is definitely designed for what I use it for and the suspension on the Raptor is too soft for towing anything heavy.

@kentsimpson850 5 ай бұрын

Glad I didn't waste the entire 4+ minutes watching this biased unrealistic comparison, 2 completely different trucks. Never tried to or mentioned using the disconnecting sway bar. Also could see that the Raptor tires were aired down. was that also done with the Power Wagon, or was the stock tire pressure maintained, which at 60/65psi is gonna make any ride more stiff in any condition.

@goofingoffroad 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment! To answer your questions - if you *had* watched the whole video you would have seen that even with the sway bar disconnected on the PW, the Raptor had better travel. On the washboard road both trucks were driving at stock pressure. That was the whole point of the test. Are everyday drivers going to air down every time they drive a dirt road? Probably not - so thepont was to see how they were driving straight off the pavement.

@shonrogers9678 5 ай бұрын

Rediculous comparison, 1/2 ton vs. a 3/4 ton truck is not apples to apples. That Raptor won’t handle load or tow as much as that Power Wagon. This vedeo is lacking in relevance.

@goofingoffroad 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your opinion. There's a reason I sold the Raptor and bought the PW and it looks like you're catching on!