I'm going to try forge welding without flux, and without a sealed billet. Instead, I'm using WD-40! My Website: firecreekforge.com Shirts: firecreekmercantile.etsy.com
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@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
Capillary action is the term I was looking for, that pulls the WD-40 between the layers of steel.
@witchdoctor91453 жыл бұрын
Do you think this methode will work with a coal forge?
@GrahamCrannell2 жыл бұрын
funny enough, capillary action is caused by surface tension, so you were basically right haha
@Afro408 Жыл бұрын
@@GrahamCrannellthe phenomenon is also known as ‘wicking’
@Mr.DeathMachine3 жыл бұрын
Criminally underrated video and channel.
@FireCreekForge3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@steveocvirek66712 жыл бұрын
I have often wondered about using 10w-40 since it was mentioned on Forged in Fire - thanks for makeing this video and proving it to be effective.
@vinn3327 Жыл бұрын
Well i use WD-40 on cleaning the blade but never thought that WD-40 could weld thankyou im going to try this thx mate 👍
@rg2blades4292 ай бұрын
I've done this. ITs worked. But it was only a san mai and a 5 layer. Oh and tie wired them not welded lol great video
@davebrookbank4831 Жыл бұрын
I will try wd 40 today better than rebuilding your forge Thank you great video
@billwoehl30512 жыл бұрын
Surface tension-capillary action, same thing.
@blackflycanada49433 жыл бұрын
I think I'll give this a try. I actually did my first forge weld today. It was pretty awesome!
@FireCreekForge3 жыл бұрын
Cool!
@billwoehl30512 жыл бұрын
Congrats 👍
@jackdub753 жыл бұрын
Very cool video. You make it look easy.
@reneemills-mistretta7903 жыл бұрын
I use WD-40 to forge weld, it work's the best in my opinion. It hasn't failed me yet & doesn't leave my forge all sticky.
@THR33STEP Жыл бұрын
That looks really good!! It’s going to be a nice knife!!
@billwoehl30512 жыл бұрын
Just inherited a William Forester coach maker anvil guessing about 90 lbs and a round pan forge with a champion hand crank blower, was frozen up but only took some WD-40 and gently played with it and she freed right up. Made a tri legged stand for the anvil and got to use them both today.
@steveschlobohm57934 жыл бұрын
Interesting...enjoy your weekend. Stay safe my friend!
@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Steve, you too!
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
Awesome to know! I heard about this but never tried it. And just found your channel and it’s awesome!
@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate that very much!
@TheCoalDragonForge4 жыл бұрын
Fire Creek Forge no problem!
@hblegal83092 жыл бұрын
Very well done!
@FireCreekForge2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ivorboyd31262 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, just came across your video. Would be so much cleaner and also not destroy my gas forge .Thanks for the demo.
@sronnau99 Жыл бұрын
Thank you this is very helpful!
@pingabl32 жыл бұрын
heating up wd-40 is increadibly dangerous seeing as the material safety data sheet states Thermal decomposition will release hydrogen fluoride, carbon monoxide and phosgene and with phosgene being a deadly gas it does not seem like a good idea
@FireCreekForge2 жыл бұрын
That's basically what all fuel does...
@pingabl32 жыл бұрын
@@FireCreekForge acording to google tho its pretty much only chlorinated solvents that release phosgene
@FireCreekForge2 жыл бұрын
@@pingabl3 I see
@cilismoniker7322 Жыл бұрын
@@FireCreekForge Pretty sure not all fuel turns into phosgene gas. Most tend to be water vapor and a hydrogen bi-product. Phosgene gives you a chest infection feeling. If you inhaled enough, you'll come out of it, only to get sick again, and possibly die of "choking" because that phosgene gas reacts with the water in your lungs to make stomach acid... digesting your gas exchange structures. Nothing to be careless with. Hope everyone doing this is not working in a small garage. The "It ain't killed me yet" crowd usually find out 20-30 years too late. Like battery workers and handmade ammo makers.
@IronMountainAxeandTool4 жыл бұрын
wd 40 is a hydrocarbon, and is comprised of around a third kerosene. when this burns it leaves carbon on the surface fighting the oxidizing(scaling) process. Also, carbon lowers the melting temp of steel, which is why it can forge weld at a lower temp without borax. using a carburizing flame also helps this process. flux sux
@NKG4163 жыл бұрын
hey will wd40 degrade my propane forge insulation?
@dozernmike24233 жыл бұрын
@@NKG416 I assume the kerosene will just burn
@billwoehl30512 жыл бұрын
Sound like Roy from Christ Centered Iron Works. "Flux Sucks"😁
@Eldormen11 ай бұрын
that was cool. thought it was a bit click bait but it worked. nice to know in a pinch or as borax is something one has to search to find here in Sweden if I run out.
@sleepingmonkey3 жыл бұрын
I usually use kerosene, I’ve never tried wd. I learned the kerosene trick from Jim pore world renowned shoer
@kenlude973 жыл бұрын
@shurap uses Kerosene a lot, and his work is "ok". ;) I just haven't tried it yet, my last bunch of forge welding was all canister so no flux was used.
@Aleeknives4 жыл бұрын
Forge welding with WD-40 I would have never thought of that one! Good job man, I agree probably not the best thing to be breathing though! At least you don't have borax all over the floor of your forge though
@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah i heard about it and had to try it. Kerosene and Diesel are supposed to work the same way.
@mking32192 жыл бұрын
Cool man,Thanks!
@althesmith2 ай бұрын
I've been using a borax/fluorspar mix for 20-odd years but I may just want to give this a try. Not running short on fluorspar, just curious. Won't try it on anything important, though, my rule of life is first try at anything I will f**k up something.
@wesleymccravy9013 жыл бұрын
"Pocket"... Delamination is the word. And also you can forge weld without flux of any kind if you have a decent smooth grind on the planar surfaces of the stacked metals, and if you have your forge burning relatively neutral - meaning you are supplying enough oxygen to your propane flame to get hot without having an excess of oxygen. Too oxidizing, you get oxidized and burned metal, too rich or "reducing" of a mixture and you are generating water as a product of the flame. Keeping the forge sealed off as you have done is probably what gave you success. If you leave the brick open on the end you will be seeing "dragons breath" coming out. If you notice you will see the fire fluctuating in whooshes which any forge will do while open ended; on the flame drop it is drawing air in that has no fuel to mix with and will oxidize your work piece, then the whoosh outward is the expulsion of heat. Standard draft properties. The rough definition of wind is "the atmospheric effect created by uneven heating of a medium." You get the idea
@markgoggin20148 ай бұрын
Capillary action is the term you were searching for
@ironninja98732 жыл бұрын
Why anyone more use This method? Is soooo AWESOME !
@amsogXO4 жыл бұрын
That's really cool thank you. I've heard of using flux and sand but never WD-40. That's an excellent job grinding also. I'm so bad at it I try to forge it out as much as I can. did you use a guide on the plunge line?
@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thanks for watching. I can't say my grinding method is the best or easiest, although I have personally become pretty proficient at it. I didn't do it in this video, but laying out lines to grind the edge to should make it easier, as well as using a guide for the plunge line.
@jbforged4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I've used kerosene before with good result. Thank you!
@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
You bet, thanks for watching!
@nickhershey99632 жыл бұрын
hey man just curious what PSI you're running to reach forge welding temp? my forge looks very similar, im running a frosty T burner and trying to tune it. I don't have the forge lined with anything maybe that's my issue? Keep up the good work!
@FireCreekForge2 жыл бұрын
Usually 15-20 psi when welding. The single burner doesn't put off as much hear so you have to crank it up a bit more.
@billwoehl30518 ай бұрын
Here's an idea for showing what steal is what color in the etch: make a billet from lowest carbon to highest, then add in the exotics. And then the end grain pattern should be a quick reference guide.
@nateand34 жыл бұрын
Hey man i found it....but I got sidetracked in between lol taking advantage of days off to get caught up around my place. Did you make a video of the finished knife? I bet it came out beautifully
@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, yeah it came out pretty neat, didn't do a video on it but did post it up on my facebook page, might put up a pic here too.
@gurvinderkau1e5w184 жыл бұрын
No flux used. WD 40 is good👍👍👍
@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@col9254 жыл бұрын
Is it Cappilliary action what you were referring to ?
@christoffermarchesan62234 жыл бұрын
Was going to say the same thing .. I’m a plumber so during soldering we rely on the capillary effect.
@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that's the word I was trying to think of..!
@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
Yep, thank you!
@abishopish Жыл бұрын
What kind of belt grinder/sander is that that you’re using starting at around 7:15? I need something like that
@LiamJPenn4 жыл бұрын
I usually use wd40 to dissolve my borax before bringing billet to heat. I’ve had great results.
@FireCreekForge4 жыл бұрын
Yes, a petroleum product seems to work well along with flux (I've done this with diesel).
@jodycopeland1 Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen people use diesel
@codyorvis65983 жыл бұрын
I don't think it is the nickel in the steel reacting to heat that you can barely see it when it's not etched because I made a 1095/ mild steel san mai and could barely see the layers and as far as I know neither of those have much nickel
@jeffreymiller97063 жыл бұрын
I am interested in knowing what brand of forge you normally use low use.
@FireCreekForge3 жыл бұрын
my single burner forge (the one I use the most) is on I built, and I also have a Majestic Forge three burner
@jeffreymiller97063 жыл бұрын
@@FireCreekForge Thanks so much. The knowledge you share is invaluable.
@FireCreekForge3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreymiller9706 you bet!
@ArbeitsloserSack2 жыл бұрын
Would this work with Diesel as well?
@FireCreekForge2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@gwcstudio Жыл бұрын
You're burning the hydrocarbons down and leaving a thin coat of carbon on the metal. Carbon loves to stick to stuff, so it acts as a flux.
@Biggsy83243 жыл бұрын
What pressure do you run your propane at to forge weld?
@FireCreekForge3 жыл бұрын
15-20
@Biggsy83243 жыл бұрын
@@FireCreekForge Thanks man!
@grantpickens27042 жыл бұрын
Capillary action
@K3Flyguy2 жыл бұрын
I have heard from an old timer but never tried it, to dip the stacked billet into a bucket of kerosene before the first heat. Seems to me about the same thing as your doing? Anyone else try this?
@FireCreekForge2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I do that now but with diesel
@robertrodriguez32 Жыл бұрын
there is water in WD-40 right
@abdopeche3 жыл бұрын
Sans borax merci
@Ironsteve27112 жыл бұрын
Capillary effect
@B1ockboy11 Жыл бұрын
and today we'r gana fire weld without flux using the process of getting good flux is for Americans or important structural welds
@cesargatica81934 жыл бұрын
Es una pena que no esté en español
@Youtubeforcedmetochangemyname2 жыл бұрын
There is a guy I can't remember what country he is in but he uses diesel fuel
@gwcstudio Жыл бұрын
Yevgeny shevchenko - "shurap" on yt. Uses kero.
@SBG4202 жыл бұрын
Seems weird to clean it to just cover it in oily wd 40
@FireCreekForge2 жыл бұрын
Making sure there's no scale or grit
@wesleymccravy9013 жыл бұрын
Not spot welded... Spot welding is using high current between two electrodes that are pinching metal together and fusing them. It uses no rod filament nor flux