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Forgotten Aircraft - the Armstrong Whitworth Argosy

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The Armstrong Whitworth Argosy was the predecessor of the C-130 Hercules in the role of capable transport aircraft for the RAF. This walk-around video was recorded during the Shropshire Modellers’ Show 2018.
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@andrewmonteith8794
@andrewmonteith8794 3 жыл бұрын
RAF Benson 70's still remember the sound of those engines.
@j.d.peppmeier9041
@j.d.peppmeier9041 3 жыл бұрын
I ran across an Argosy a few years ago at a new air museum at Sioux City Gateway Airport. Despite being knowledgeable on military aircraft types, I did not know what it was until I inquired. It looked impressive !
@scopex2749
@scopex2749 3 жыл бұрын
When i joined the RAF, my first posting was to Brize Norton. There were many Argosy’s there used by 115 Squadron. I managed to grab a flight in one for a days flying, wonderful memories! Extremely slow but they did a job for a while lovely old lady! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻🇬🇧
@seandoyle7076
@seandoyle7076 3 жыл бұрын
Safe Air operated Argosies and Bristol freighters out of Wellington airport NZ for years flying fright across Cook Strait. Potentially Safe air was the lat commercial operator of these aircraft.
@geoffnottage8894
@geoffnottage8894 3 жыл бұрын
Aren’t you thinking of the Bristol Frighterner! Travelled from Penang back to Singapore in a RNZAF beast on Nimrod MARDET. God awful, and I’m an ex Shack driver🤬
@chrismccloughen7178
@chrismccloughen7178 3 жыл бұрын
@@geoffnottage8894 These were operated in New Zealand. One is still here and I believe it still flies.
@seandoyle7076
@seandoyle7076 3 жыл бұрын
The last flying Argosy is now on display in Marlborough NZ. There is a video documenting its preservation.
@ralphhull6946
@ralphhull6946 3 ай бұрын
I flew on Argosys numerous times from Changi..( now Singapore International Airport) to Kuching in Borneo where I served in the Army Air Corps. Argosies were a common sight in Kuching as they also did supply drops to to many Jungle outposts where British troops were serving. I was involved mainly with Westland Scout helicopter operations and the bulk of our fuel for the scouts was air dropped into forward jungle locations by Argosy aircraft. That was nearly 60 years ago..but it seems like only last week...or last month !!!
@peterglennon4955
@peterglennon4955 3 жыл бұрын
FLEW BACK FROM MALTA in one of these. Sat in nets for nearly 7 hours. Landed Ln FRANCE at Lyon for some reason. Stopped on board. We had a stripped down SCOUT helicopter for company.
@1tonyboat
@1tonyboat 3 жыл бұрын
I joined the RAF in 1971 and my very first flight was in a Argosy .We were square bashing at RAF Swinderby and our intake of 30 airman had a great time on the Argosy.
@melvyncox3361
@melvyncox3361 2 жыл бұрын
Did the same in 1975,but this time in a Belfast.Great flight in another rarity!
@larryrayner3826
@larryrayner3826 3 жыл бұрын
One up the road from me, parked outside a cafe in Blenheim New Zealand, You're allowed on board and can climb inside and up on the flight deck.
@brianwilliams6340
@brianwilliams6340 Жыл бұрын
it is still there 2022 youtube safeair blenheim new zealand
@mothmagic1
@mothmagic1 2 жыл бұрын
The whistling wheelbarrow. I actually had one flight in this type.
@TheShanampan
@TheShanampan 3 жыл бұрын
I remember going to Lydd airport on a school trip in the late 60's and seeing an Argosy,I believe it was a ferry type service to France,we were allowed on board..one of the best school trips ever.
@annoyingbstard9407
@annoyingbstard9407 3 жыл бұрын
I think that may have been a Bristol Freighter. Those were used on the cross channel routes from Lydd.
@thomasterdington3181
@thomasterdington3181 2 жыл бұрын
​@@annoyingbstard9407 yes you are right. They were operated by Silver City Airways and used to transport cars and racehorses over to Le Touquet in France. Silver City also used Bristol Superfreighters which were a stretched version of the Freighter. But you probably knew all that, being an annoying b'stard...
@billmillar8626
@billmillar8626 Ай бұрын
Joined the RAF in aug 1971 first flight ever was in the Argosy
@egdiryellam68
@egdiryellam68 3 жыл бұрын
A small number of these aircraft were operated for a few years in Australia by a company called I.P.E.C (Interstate Parcels Express Company) for over night air freight container services between major state capitals. Don't know if they were X RAAF or X RAF aircraft didn't take much notice at the time, was too busy unloading or loading the aircraft depending on which shift I was working on.
@ianjohnson1920
@ianjohnson1920 4 жыл бұрын
Ive been on the Argosy at Baginton Airport at the Coventry Air Museum
@vinniemoreno704
@vinniemoreno704 3 жыл бұрын
I find these type of aircraft remarkable and these videos enjoyable indeed.
@tonyjohnson9079
@tonyjohnson9079 3 жыл бұрын
My first job after college (1960/61) was as technical illustrator working on drawings and page layout for the repair manuals of the 650 and 660.
@markbennett2170
@markbennett2170 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds impressive! I congratulate your early achievements. You must be a skilled individual! We need more people like you in the workplace.
@fredtedstedman
@fredtedstedman 2 жыл бұрын
did you know Geoff Tedstill ??
@alltransman5033
@alltransman5033 3 жыл бұрын
I remember the argosy at heathrow, b e a had a couple of them powered by darts like the viscount and the vanguard with tynes, the days of the turboprops
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын
yes they served the Channel Islands. I flew horses on them. Far better than the Bristol Freighter.
@fleetwoodmac4123
@fleetwoodmac4123 4 жыл бұрын
I did a few jumps from these in the late 60's. They were popular with RAF pilots and dispatchers doing night drops because the forward looking window made it easy to assess whether one was correctly above the DZ. Conversely C130 pilots had to use dead reckoning to estimate when they were equidistant and between two DZ lights on the ground. This often resulted in inaccurate drops with chaps landing in trees or on roads etc.
@chrisweeks7965
@chrisweeks7965 4 жыл бұрын
That panel was graduated, like a bomb-sight, which made accurate dispatching much easier. The panel was just forward of the escape hatch, which one had to lay on top of to view the approaching DZ. It was rather a strange feeling, knowing that, if the hatch activated, it was a long way down...
@HistoryNeedsYou
@HistoryNeedsYou 4 жыл бұрын
Were they more pleasant to jump from than a Herc too? What was the turbulence like as you stepped out the back door?
@chrisweeks7965
@chrisweeks7965 4 жыл бұрын
@@HistoryNeedsYou An RAF para mate, who jumped from both, has told me that the Argosy was better to jump from, either from the tail or side doors, with a lot less turbulence. I presume that this was because of the Argosy's different aerodynamics, due to the twin boom configuration - although personally, I prefer not to abandon a perfectly serviceable aeroplane!
@unmea69l8er
@unmea69l8er 6 жыл бұрын
Not forgotten by me, my father helped make them at AW in Baginton.
@HistoryNeedsYou
@HistoryNeedsYou 6 жыл бұрын
Such a great aircraft. I raise my tea to your dad and all his colleagues at AW.
@chrisweeks7965
@chrisweeks7965 4 жыл бұрын
Nor by me, either. My father was an AID Inspector for AWA at Baginton and Bitteswell for 30 years until they closed.
@glynmatthews6697
@glynmatthews6697 3 жыл бұрын
Such a rich area of automotive and aeronautical manufacture back in the day, my workshop is just off the end of the runway at Baginton in a small holding , amazing history and legacy , the Alvis aero engine building is still there too .
@shingerz
@shingerz 3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@mjc8281
@mjc8281 4 жыл бұрын
I flew on the one at the very start of the clip while it was in use at A&AEE, brings back some memories!!!
@kanome123
@kanome123 4 жыл бұрын
I was in the USAF and saw an Argosy land at Pease AFB NH in 1965.
@mjc8281
@mjc8281 4 жыл бұрын
@@kanome123 Small world my three daughters all live up around Portsmouth NH, my trip in this Argosy must have been 1980 I think..... it was the last one that the Military owned(although it wasn't in the RAF by then)
@kanome123
@kanome123 4 жыл бұрын
@@mjc8281 Even more amazing. After my time in the USAF and in fact quite a few years later, I went to work for Zantop Airlines who at one time flew the Argosy. I started with Zantop in 1985 in Macon Georgia. I flew on company business many times on the Locheed L188 Electra the DC8, and an exciting trip on a Convair, however Zantop had already stopped operating the Argosy so I missed that opportunity.
@Shamrock100
@Shamrock100 4 жыл бұрын
Contrary to what is stated here, very few ex-RAF Argosies went on the civilian careers - not even a handful, I would say.
@davidobyrne9549
@davidobyrne9549 Жыл бұрын
My dad flew the civilian version of the Argosy with Saggittair in the early 1970s. Armstrong-Whitworth were based at Coventry in the UK, which incidentaly happened to be where dad was born in 1917.
@kesimmonds
@kesimmonds 5 жыл бұрын
When I was stationed in Hong Kong in the early '60's, these things used to come whistling along to park up fairly near our billets. As they approached, the whistle became hardly bearable and I used to have to put my fingers in my ears to keep my hearing. Thought them a brilliant aircraft of the time.
@williamcarrington61
@williamcarrington61 5 жыл бұрын
Same problem with the Viscount , ear plugs needed !
@timhancock6626
@timhancock6626 4 жыл бұрын
@@banky4943 I thought it was the Whistling Wheelbarrow
@chrisweeks7965
@chrisweeks7965 4 жыл бұрын
@@timhancock6626 At Benson, back in the day, we called it the Flying Tit - because of the shape of the nose and radome, of course. The Whistling Wheelbarrow nickname came later.
@johnbutte8752
@johnbutte8752 5 жыл бұрын
Great days at raf Benson 69 70. Traveled all over and posting to Bahrain . Good fun .
@dilltdog1158
@dilltdog1158 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent aircraft.
@williamcarrington61
@williamcarrington61 5 жыл бұрын
The Argosy was a stand-in , until the C 130 arrived . I'm happy that it replaced the over-worked Hastings , after its' tragic , fatal crash . Even the Beverley was preferable , and one always felt safe in that aircraft . Jumping from a Nord Atlas , showed that a 'plane as old as it was , could serve as a good platform for paratroopers , in 1976 . After 14 yrs with the Para Bgde , the Hercules will always be the one for me .
@petermicklethwaite6281
@petermicklethwaite6281 Жыл бұрын
I worked in air movements at RAF Sharjah while in the RAF. We mainly worked on Argosy and Andover aircraft. I loved working on the Whistling tit as everyone called it, because of the nipple on the nose.
@markbennett2170
@markbennett2170 5 жыл бұрын
My Dad was involved in the design of the Argosy.
@markbennett2170
@markbennett2170 3 жыл бұрын
@stephen turner It's because i'm very proud of my Father's acheivements in the aircraft industry my friend. You sound very upset?
@CrusaderSports250
@CrusaderSports250 3 жыл бұрын
@@markbennett2170 stay proud, I have had the pleasure of working with someone who worked in the design department of one of our aviation companies and then went on to work for other companies, it was important work, without the backup we have today, and take so much for granted, Cosford by the day is a great museum and well worth a look.
@davidmiller3709
@davidmiller3709 3 жыл бұрын
I remember these types from the early 60s. Particularly at Changi, and Sembawang though I think it was the twin Pioneer there.
@reinhardlehmann8161
@reinhardlehmann8161 3 жыл бұрын
Saw one flying in 1975, somewehre between Chichester and Worthing...Another one I saw standing in Mebourne-Airfield....Unluckly 1 choosed al too long exposure time...
@lothruin1
@lothruin1 5 жыл бұрын
The last two operating Argosies were owned by a company in my home town, and when I was a little girl we spent a lot of time at the airport because my dad was a pilot. Horatious (XP 447) and his brother were our good friends. They sat at the end of the tarmac half the year, and flew cargo to Alaska the other half. We would visit them and make up stories about their adventures. XP 447 was finally put out of service in the early 90s, and would eventually wind up at a museum at Fox Field in Lancaster, CA, which is now closed, and I'm not certain whether the Argosy is one of the two twin-boom aircraft left from the museum, still sitting at the airstrip. I'm told it is, but I'm not sure the man I spoke to really knows an Argosy when he sees one. Not many do.
@lothruin1
@lothruin1 4 жыл бұрын
@@bfc3057 My dad started his PPL when I was about 5. He took a job as a lineman at the FBO to help defray the costs. My sister and I did touch and gos with him while he was training, and made friends with all the airplanes. We had a little piper cherokee named Charlie, too. Dad went on to be an instructor, then to open an FBO, which was my first job at age 15. I eventually outgrew having to go say hello to my favorite airplanes and offer then candy, but I never outgrew a fondness for them, like a plush animal, only... bigger. Somewhere, there is a photograph of me and my little sis hugging Horatious. We can just reach his chin, under that big, silly black nose, so it's less of a hug and more of a pat. But we really, truly adored him just as if he were a favorite teddy.
@lothruin1
@lothruin1 4 жыл бұрын
@@bfc3057 I'm so relieved to know it's him. His brother was sold to a museum of flight in Iowa, which is where Wikipedia lists him, but I am fairly certain he was actually sold on to Yankee Air Museum in Willow Run and destroyed in the fire in 2004, though I can't verify that.
@lothruin1
@lothruin1 4 жыл бұрын
@@bfc3057 Honestly, I have sort of kept tabs on both planes for a while, because I loved them as a child and wanted to know, one way or another. I have often said that if I won the lottery (which I don't play, so take that as you will), I would buy one of them and make a home out of him for the sake of some kind of preservation, as it really does pain me to see them pass out of history. But either way I am always curious of their current disposition.
@lothruin1
@lothruin1 4 жыл бұрын
@@bfc3057 I would quite like to know!
@TWOWHEELFIX
@TWOWHEELFIX 6 жыл бұрын
Great information and amazing plane. Do you narrate these yourself? This is a very professional presentation!! Like from me 👍🍻
@HistoryNeedsYou
@HistoryNeedsYou 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend. I filmed, edited and wrote this series. My partner in HNY did the v/o. She nails voice overs in one take every time!
@TWOWHEELFIX
@TWOWHEELFIX 6 жыл бұрын
HistoryNeedsYou well done, it's very professional. 👌
@irvan36mm
@irvan36mm 4 жыл бұрын
This Argosy looks like it could still fly, with a little work.
@cnfuzz
@cnfuzz 3 жыл бұрын
The front should be flesh colored , flying boob , for similar size a c130 had a third more payload
@chrisweeks7965
@chrisweeks7965 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this video, though the aircraft's quoted range in the video is incorrect; a zero's been missed. Range was a theoretical 3,450 statute miles, although from memory I think that's unloaded. We used to fly a NAVEX from Benson to St Mawgan, then out over the Atlantic on an arc to Gibraltar and onto various other points in NEAF, such as Luqa, Idris and El Adem. The Argosy was also used on the 1,290-mile Changi to Labuan run during Confrontation.
@HistoryNeedsYou
@HistoryNeedsYou 4 жыл бұрын
Gosh, those would be arduous journeys! RAF personnel were, and are, made of though stuff! Per Ardua ad Astra!
@rmcguire7033
@rmcguire7033 3 жыл бұрын
My Father AEOP William McGuire flew in these....he preferred the Beverly as it was more able to handle rough terrain
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын
BEA flew these , I flew horses on these , and the Bristol Freighter. Argosy was the much better aircraft for the job
@MrRawMonkey
@MrRawMonkey 4 жыл бұрын
It had a range of 1800 miles.
@exb.r.buckeyeman845
@exb.r.buckeyeman845 2 жыл бұрын
Free to enter ? Surely just charge a fiver, everyone will be happy to pay that.
@dovidell
@dovidell 4 жыл бұрын
wondering why BAF didn't buy these rather than the Carvair's when they operated out of Southend airport ( surely an easy enough conversion could have been possible )
@rayjames6096
@rayjames6096 2 жыл бұрын
The C-130 entered service in 1956, the Argosy's first flight was 1959 so it wasn't before the Hercules.
@Firebrand55
@Firebrand55 2 жыл бұрын
I think she meant service in the RAF; the C-130 entered RAF service in 1967; it should have been years before then, but slow thinking at MOD delayed its arrival in the RAF.
@rayjames6096
@rayjames6096 2 жыл бұрын
@@Firebrand55 Yeah, there are over 40 different variants of the C-130 and close to 3000 produced, it's one of the greatest aircraft ever designed and still in production after 67 years.
@pierrebuffiere5923
@pierrebuffiere5923 3 жыл бұрын
Also known as: "the flying wheelbarrow" and "the whistling tit". But you have to have heard and seen them in the air to appreciate that.
@51WCDodge
@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын
Or live in Jersey ,Channel Islands, with a bedroom right under flight path. :-) Them were the days.
@alleycatvietnam
@alleycatvietnam 3 жыл бұрын
@01:29 range was a modest 345 miles??? Per Wikipedia range was more like 3,400 miles. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth_AW.660_Argosy#Specifications_(Argosy_C_Mk_1)
@inkydoug
@inkydoug 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that sounds more believable. With a 345 mile range I was kind of wondering how it would be used!
@mikearmstrong8483
@mikearmstrong8483 3 жыл бұрын
Is that a ferry range? She indicated full load range. Big difference. But, yeah, 345 sounds low even for full load range.
@fredfungalspore
@fredfungalspore 2 жыл бұрын
310 mph top speed Or 510 mph when dropping like lead when the engine's failed 😆
@nigelmitchell351
@nigelmitchell351 5 жыл бұрын
Why on earth did they design a transport with no range?
@aaa111912
@aaa111912 4 жыл бұрын
do you thing she got the range distance wrong.as a para trooper im sure i flew further than that in one go.
@aaa111912
@aaa111912 4 жыл бұрын
i just looked it up .in the 1920s there was a 3 engined argosy with that range.
@boatfaceslim9005
@boatfaceslim9005 4 жыл бұрын
According to someone in the thread above that used to actually fly them she missed off a zero! "Range was a theoretical 3,450 statute miles, although from memory I think that's unloaded."
@tonyhutch1168
@tonyhutch1168 Жыл бұрын
A range of 345 miles not very good for a transport aircraft lol
@marvwatkins7029
@marvwatkins7029 2 жыл бұрын
Good to have a woman narrator. Ads diversity cred.
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