5.8 version: 20 rounds 9mm version: 15 rounds R6S version: 10 rounds. Take it or leave it

we need a "whats that forgotten weapon?" segment at the end of the video like the old pokemon cartoon :)

Funny thing is a CF 98 is the form the Canadian military uses for injurys on the job...haha

Anonymous collector is such a nice person.

when you realize that this thing is more delibrately engineered than the sevice rifle.

That style of trigger pack disassembly reminds me of the Tokarev TT pistol. It really is a nice solution, because any problems with the trigger pack can be fixed with a new complete assembly, very handy for armorers. From a mechanical design perspective, I'd call it pretty well done for a military service pistol.

Honestly that’s a really good design and if using better materials and higher precision machining this could be loaded for extremely high pressure loads. They could make a modern high capacity magnum with this design.

in the Canadian armed forces a CF98 is an injury report form....

"They are available up in Canada" seems to be a commonly heard phrase on this channel.

This gun had long history of inconsistent quality control and issue with the double fed magazine. Some police force in China actually use imported glock 17 gen 4 instead of this.

Thanks for the overview, Ian! Those trigger pulls looked a little rough, I'll bet it's a split between the military not being concerned about a handgun's trigger quality, plus some imprecise fitment due to the modular nature of the FCG. That's a slick and unexpectedly modular system on a military wonder-9, I kind of love it. Double-feed mags are just icing on the cake, and Ian called it: that star was the first thing to catch my eye after taking in the gun's general profile. Then he said one of the magic words for com-bloc nerds: Norinco. 'Ooo, an unobtainum Norinco handgun? I clearly need that.'

I really appreciate the contribution you ve done for the firearms enthusiast community. Awesome!

I've been watching you for a while now and you remind me of my nephew. I always enjoy visiting him and his arsenal. You are a fantastic teacher type person and you are very easy to listen to. It's great to have someone yakkin' about old guns that is non-abrasive and genuine. Don't go anywhere, Ian.

one thing I have learned from beinga a subscriber to forgoten weapon is that things that are rare, are rare for a reason. their are a lot of strange guns out their.

Yeah, we get the Norinco products up here. They're dirt cheap, and they work... usually. Flaws are usually minor enough to be corrected with metalworking tools.

I have a Beretta PX4 Storm Compact and I will say that one thing about the rotating barrel is that it makes the gun very pleasant to shoot recoil-wise. The recoil on the compact is milder than my full-size SR9.

also point out one thing. some armed police units in the west-north China(troubled by isis sort rebel) has got round 400 of glock17gen4 as their need for a reliable pistol for gunfight. a lot of good cop died or suffered injury because of their type 92 dis functioned. the simply avoidable casualty get the cops protesting about their handgun and Glocks came. Some SWAT unit from rich province also get some Glock to play with.

Norinco is hit and miss; sometimes you can get an awesome firearm. and other times you get "boat anchors". But for the cheap price one pays for a Norinco product, they are a firearm!

Would love to see how the 5.8x21 models compare: the Chinese have a habit of producing lower quality products when they’re destined for export

great info as always

This is actually my favorite pistol I own. Thanks for the video.

surprisingly neat design

Ah, elegance and intrigue found within total ordinarity. My kind of pistol!

Feedback should you want any: I really appreciate the caliber comparison you put on screen, helpful for want-to-be [myself] or less experienced enthusiasts.

That cartridge seems interesting, the 5.8x21mm. That's actually the first I've heard of it.

When the magazine feed is the pistols best feature.

I´d love to see a slo mo test with this one but I guess is not possible. Great video as always, Ian!

The reason why they uses rotating barrel is due to the requirement of sound suppressor. Browning short barrel stroke system require the barrel tilt upward, a heavy suppressor will change the delay and action characteristics. The rotating action will avoid most of them, hence became the action of this pistol. The Type 98 is reliable, both 5.8 and 9 version. However, only when you uses standard military standard 9mm round, no HP no flat tip at all. The feeding slop is designed only for standard military round.

Norinco firearms are hit or miss but it'd be very cool to see a reliable manufacturer making this.

rotating barrel, modern and available in 7.62 TOK, I want it...

I always wondered why pistols don't use the double feed magazine system. I guess at least one of them does. Strange that it is not more common, especially given how wide slides tend to be nowadays.

Thanks for sharing the CF-98 with us!

Just bought one. Here in Canada they sell for $270 CDN (about $200 US) At that price, why not? I have other Norinco pistols, shotguns and rifles. They work well.

I own a QSZ-9 chamber in 9mm, typically the military version of this firearms. Shoots great and never have any malfunction. The trigger is a bit mushy but that is ok for me. Anyway, great review :)

Happy Chinese New Year, Ian! What a coincidence that you have made a video about a Chinese firearm during Chinese New Year.

The modular frame is a nice idea.

Ian, I haven't seen any videos of a Ruger P series on you channel yet, and I really think it would be a cool gun to review, and while they aren't really forgotten in gun culture, most people who aren't big gun people haven't heard of them.

This is quite different and very interesting. Thanks!

5:03 TACTICAL MAGAZINE SPIN!!! 戦術銃弾の回転!!!!!! Senjutsu jūdan no kaiten! ! ! !

The French MAB PA-15 also has a rotating lock. Besides accuracy, I think it also adds to reliability. Since the locking system works in the opposite direct to the rifling, the bullet in the barrel keeps it closed and is, in a way, self-adjusting, as the stronger load will hold the action closed longer while a lighter load will release it more quickly. I've never had a jam with my MAB and it's accuracy is greater than my ability as a shooter.

I liked the modular system like the sig of nowadays

ALWAYS great vids!!!

It's like they tried to make a less elegant Ruger P89, if that was even possible.

Would be interesting to see someone like Hudson experiment with a rotating barrel to lower bore offset beyond even what they have managed with a tilting bolt.

These pistols are quite common for civilian sale here in Canada.

It’s far from forgotten, but you should take a look at the p320/xm17, and discuss what set it apart from the other pistols in the xm17 pistol competition.

Looks like a really nice design, wonder how they are in everyday use.

Thanks for another great exposition video. The frame mounted safety decocker is very desirable. The steel subframe makes for easy maintenance. The bushing is good for practical accuracy and the rotating barrel with dual recoil springs should allow a pleasing recoil impulse. The DA/SA trigger is long and hard like most duty pistols. Your last reference to it not competing with Glock made me chuckle because Glock is beta testing a very similar rotating barrel design with the Germany Police. LOL

Interestingly there are quite a few of these in the UK as well, deactivated or otherwise. Mine seems to be a much higher serial number, with completely different markings as well - 0701085, MOD. CF98 CAL. 9X19.

These are plentiful in Canada, not very popular although they are pretty cheap.

The reason for a hole in the guide rod is to help strip the pistol down more easier . You pull the slide back put a screw driver thin enough to fit the hole release the slide and the take the slide release catch out.

I shot the Type 92G in China last year, along with full auto milled Type 56, Type79SMG, Type 81 and Type 95-1. The newer Type 92G is based on the export version of the 92, which uses 9x19 Luger, added standard accessories rail. It's an okay gun, for the price it's pretty good 😂 but, because gun ownership is banned in China, so there aren't really any competitions going on, and soldiers and police officers don't know what's good or what's bad. They only know how to effectively use the weapon they were issued with. The feeding problem gets worse in 5.8mm version, which only issued to officers as a symbol of command. Type 92 is starting to retire from a lot of police departments. The border anti-terrorist unit switched to Glock 19/17, the regular PDs started to make a switch to NP22 (Sig P226 clone) and China's own 9mm revolver ( rimed 9mm case, oddly shoots like a .22lr ). And since most soldiers never use their pistol, the Army isn't too concerned about the quality 😂 Unlike the US, all firearm design and manufacturing are owned by the government, so the trail for new pistol is just a bunch of internal bureaucracy. China has the ability to make good products, the new Oppo and Huawei phone, the supercomputer and the missile. But because of this internal bureaucracy, there aren't any quality control with firearms.

The original design of the Type 92 is no problem, but it has never been able to pass the muddy water test on the light weapons test field, so it is not appropriate to change the magazine to a double-row double-entry + hollow design. However, after changing the magazine, the design team did not change the internal feed route: the original magazine was single-advance, and the bullet's horizontal feed route was straight; but the double-entry magazine had to " Twist "a certain angle to" arch "in. This change is no problem for the 5.8mm 92, because the 5.8x21mm bullet is "slim", but the 9mm bullet is "thick and short". This change is a serious flaw for the 9mm 92. It could have been further improved, but the military stated that instead of using 9mm 92, the design team would not have to follow up and improve. However, the police did not have the right to entrust the design of light weapons. At that time, they had no choice but to use the 92-9 defective handgun. （I am not good at English, I use Google Translate）

This is pretty neat, I'd like to see the MP433 Grach.

That magazine follower looks like it could be trimmed a bit and still not tilt, so you could probably get a couple more rounds than 15 in there.

We need more modular hammer fired pistols, take note SIG

Happy New Year

Year and day of the year is a fairly common modern way to date code and track right to the worker on the line.

Great machining marks 😁

Happy new year🎆

It reminds me of a funky cross between a SIG P226, a CZ-75 and a Beretta PX4 Storm.

Interesting indeed! Looks like a DP-51 (the south Korean K5) but with some quite nice way to operate. Now we need to see a MP-443 (or 446) to complete our eastern exotic view of modern handguns. 😇😁

While maybe not the best pistol ever designed it certainly is an interesting design with a lot of potential for improvement. Beef up the fire control frame a little, improve the overall quality (especially trigger feel) and provide more grip options (and more caliber options) and this could be a very serviceable pistol.

I've never handled a CF98, and I know I don't know anything worth speaking about, but looking at your example gives me flashbacks from the Ruger P98 selfloaders I used to sell at the shooting range where I worked. I can really FEEL that wiggly trigger as it's pulled through its arc... it makes me pray for Smith & Wesson. I don't know if I can watch this! It makes me queasy...

The 3 dots on the sights are lumes, but they fade over time.

I owned this pistol 2 years ago but I couldn't like the finish when I compression with np34 from the same company maybe because the quantity of the frame

Thanks!

The 08 238 marking on the slide may also be year and day of manufacture. Just a thought

QSW-06 needs to be added on the list of Forgotten weapons. That's a rather unique gun in a cool caliber.

Was the CF-98 ever chambered for the 7.62x25 cartridge? Ian didn't say it was but the image pictured above in 0:25 I thought implied that it was, though over the last few days of looking around I've had no luck with finding an example of this pistol or even any information about it being chambered for 7.62x25. Does anyone else know anything about this?

I shot the Type 92, the military issued version of this. It was okay, shitty double action trigger, awfully high bore axis, but the recoil impulse is surprisingly comfortable

Retrospective on this video... it has the modular system of the ZEV OZ9.

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Thanks

the type 92 pistol actually has a terrible reputation among the guys using it. 5.8mm version is a bit better, but the 9mm version is simply cursed by heavy duty region police, dis function has cause the cops numbers of casualty....

It could be that the 08 236 is like the MRE date codes, 236th day of 2008.

I own a px4 and a 10mm grand power. I need one of these.

Surprised to see how little tool marks could be seen on the slide.

At 06:55 there is also a serial number close to bottom of little arch, it reads 88627, if I'm seeing it correctly.

Now I'm kinda interested in that chinese cartridge the gun is being used in China. However I suppose China being China there isn't much information about that out there

love to see a field test in any calibre

Soon it will be good if we can see a review for 92G

I wonder how well this suppresses with the rotating barrel

GI Sportz made a .50 paintball marker named the "Menace" modeled off of this.

I'd love to see a video on the Shanghai Police revolver.

Ian, any thoughts on how the existence of this effects the Steyr - Sig lawsuit. The patent claim is over a metal serialized chassis in a plastic grip. Steyr's patent is from 2001 and Sig's is from 2007. This being prior art to both patents could have major implications to the validity of both patents and any claims.

i wish we could get the 5.8 pistols in the states, seems like a neat little round

I wouldn't mind getting one of these in the US. But I imagine they are quite rare and priced so. Looks like a sturdy piece that I wouldn't mind beating up, like a tackle box gun. If the price was decent that is.

Like John said below, externally, it looks a lot like the early Ruger P series.

Ian, rotating barrels go back a little bit further than the Steyr Hahn.... remember the Roth Steyr m1907..?

They already made lots of changes to the design a long time ago. This is not the standard service pistol. 9mm versions are not only for export but also used by police. (5.8 penetrates too much, SF don't even use it in international competitions because it would penetrate the thin steel target and fail to knock it down - thus not counting score-wise) NP-22(sig-clone) and the likes were preferred over this original design, so they made a QSZ-98B or was it 98-1.

Given that the Chinese put a arsenal number on all their weapons, the final 3-digit number is the factory number. (As an aside, I got lucky way back in the 90's and picked up an MAK with the '386' mark, and milled receiver... the same factory that makes their sniper / Olympic marksman weapons. For an AK, it's uncommonly accurate.)

Looks like the Chicoms got a hold of a P85 and P89 and made it even uglier

I'd still like to have one of these things!

I would love one of these in 7.62x25t. I am a fan of that round, but not a lot of modern firearms are chambered in it.

I'm surprised to see it's only about 40% plastic. That trigger / hammer assembly looks nice and frail though

I would honestly like to have one of these in 5.8

I suspect it would perform better with that 5.8mm mini-rifle round rather than what I assume would be a 9mm conversion sold for export. What with 9mm para being a much heavier round. It seems a tad like a Chinese interpretation of the FN Five-Seven plus a predecessor of the P250's removable lower.

I always think Browning's barrel desigh destory the weapon's one piece looking in action, but never know you can do it in some other way. It would be even cooler if there is a gun combine this with striker fire :p

I can't believe rotating is enough time for the gas to leave the pistol.