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Q&A 35: Books, Black Powder, and Why the DP12 is So Annoying

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Forgotten Weapons

Forgotten Weapons

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@lovelybraintoaster164
@lovelybraintoaster164 4 жыл бұрын
Timestamps, from the description, for the mobile community: 0:00:36 - Why so few .380 ACP military pistols? 0:02:09 - Thoughts on the NGSW program guns 0:03:24 - Exciting new things in the firearms industry today 0:04:21 - Why did the USSR not use detachable mags on the SKS? 0:06:40 - Books on the Krag and Trapdoor Springfield 0:08:05 - Ideal guns for Classic Division in Desert Brutality 2020 0:10:05 - If Forgotten Weapons a team or still a solo enterprise? 0:10:38 - Semiautomatic guns using black powder 0:13:16 - Is the Mosin Nagant really such a bad rifle? 0:15:19 - Why is it so hard to design something like a good bipod? 0:17:00 - Magazine coupling systems - good or bad? 0:19:25 - If small arms cause only a few casualties, do they need to be the best? 0:21:36 - What would guns like the FAL or MAS-49 look like with 50 years of development? 0:23:55 - Why did the .303 British cartridge have a rim? 0:27:01 - When did 3-round-burst become a thing and why? 0:32:29 - First semiauto pistol I would choose over a revolver 0:35:44 - Next joint project with C&Rsenal? 0:36:49 - Why do I now link to RIA KZfaq and Instagram pages? 0:38:05 - If you take over FN or DWM in 1900, what do you convince them to make? 0:40:29 - No NFA: What is your first new machine gun? 0:42:09 - Why no more dual firing pins on rimfire guns? 0:43:48 - Why no .30 Carbine AR15? 0:46:51 - Thoughts on the Horne StG45 0:48:37 - What's up with front sights on French rifles? 0:51:30 - Mauser production under French occupation 0:53:49 - What goals now for me and Forgotten Weapons? 0:55:38 - Non-Colt-made C&R eligible 1911 0:57:41 - What is my favorite Brownells Retro rifle? 1:00:02 - Which is better, ZB26 or Bren? 1:01:13 - Advice for a would-be firearms designer 1:02:53 - What is France had not rushed the Lebel and 8mm round? 1:06:08 - Overlooked obsolete calibers, and 7.65 French Long 1:07:27 - Movie guns I hate 1:09:18 - Thoughts on the L85A3 1:11:24 - If I could buy or build any one gun 1:12:51 - Why not more delayed blowback pistol-caliber carbines? 1:15:09 - How will 3D printing impact arms collecting?
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 4 жыл бұрын
The comment's MVP
@blacksuite1
@blacksuite1 4 жыл бұрын
You sir, are a KZfaq hero.
@AMX-30B
@AMX-30B 4 жыл бұрын
lovely brain toaster PogChamp
@Gojoe107
@Gojoe107 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@dhananjaychafale6545
@dhananjaychafale6545 4 жыл бұрын
Cool, very useful but i used to watch full video, never get bored.
@flashbandicoot5444
@flashbandicoot5444 4 жыл бұрын
K/D doesn't matter, play the objective -Gun Jesus 2019
@Paradox_Edge
@Paradox_Edge 4 жыл бұрын
as with everything, there is balance in the two. Only playing the objective will only get you so far until your enemy has had the time to enforce defense and strategy. The best way to prevent the enemy from doing that is to NOT play the objective and instead focusing on just killing enemies. The best performance comes when you divide those two up into sections. play the objective, then oppress your enemy when you see or notice they're trying to form a strategy. Once your enemies have been oppressed, continue with the objective. Rinse and repeat until you have won.
@zeta4687
@zeta4687 4 жыл бұрын
totally agree from an asian player
@troypowers750
@troypowers750 3 жыл бұрын
You mean BFFs
@shadowlord0162
@shadowlord0162 3 жыл бұрын
@Joe Exotic he maybe is a nerd but hes a good one
@majormalfunction0071
@majormalfunction0071 3 жыл бұрын
@@shadowlord0162 He's *our* nerd
@zbm-2375
@zbm-2375 4 жыл бұрын
I think the John Wick one was actually a KSG.
@fluffywolfo3663
@fluffywolfo3663 4 жыл бұрын
Yup. I checked.
@josephk5654
@josephk5654 4 жыл бұрын
Was going to say this, but you beat me to it.
@agentofchaos9769
@agentofchaos9769 4 жыл бұрын
A Kel-Tec KSG Gen 2 with EOTech 512 sight and Magpul AFG precisely.
@fluffywolfo3663
@fluffywolfo3663 4 жыл бұрын
@@agentofchaos9769 You went and checked IMFDB too, didn't you?
@andreasmuller4666
@andreasmuller4666 4 жыл бұрын
This needs more likes.
@epl803
@epl803 4 жыл бұрын
When a French Officer Cadet has a Negligent Discharge right next to your foot with his FAMAS, you'd better believe that having a burst setting rather than just full auto is preferable; if his "group size" had been any bigger I would have been able to count the amount of toes I had left using only one foot...
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely makes sense if you're expecting your troops to be less trained
@gunner678
@gunner678 4 жыл бұрын
It happens unfortunately in every army (not always without injury or fatality), all too often with experienced officers as well as officer cadets. I know from personal experience (not my error I must add) and it would be rude to mention the countries of origin involved, but it comes down to sheer ignorance or complacency, both equally deadly, both universal!
@MarvinCZ
@MarvinCZ 4 жыл бұрын
@Natty Fatty Powerlifting As mentioned above, that is universal to any large armed organization, and even more so in a conscript army. Ian's great term from the last Q&A was “Statistically guaranteed idiot.”
@bobghengis
@bobghengis 4 жыл бұрын
@@MarvinCZ Never saw this in four years in USMC Infantry
@Ompasikom
@Ompasikom 4 жыл бұрын
You can have perfect gun handling for 10-20-30 years... it only takes one moment you're not paying attention just enough...
@ridermak4111
@ridermak4111 4 жыл бұрын
The mantle....the globe....the books....the jacket. I keep looking for a Meerschaum pipe. 🧐⚜️
@JustanOlGuy
@JustanOlGuy 4 жыл бұрын
It's in his slipper.
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 4 жыл бұрын
We'll hope Ian is perpetually "on the case", since Holmes's other vices were quite destructive.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I like the style, but I'm not into heroin. :)
@Loweko1170
@Loweko1170 4 жыл бұрын
@@JustanOlGuy And fires .32ACP from a concealed barrel.
@ulriklange3924
@ulriklange3924 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe with a bit of reefer in it ... Not to fuck up Ian. But come on!! .. what a laugh 😂
@tennoskuum9632
@tennoskuum9632 4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes 1 hour of ian talking about guns. This is my lofi hip hop.
@spencerhanni6984
@spencerhanni6984 4 жыл бұрын
Chilled Cow is legit one of my favorite channels though lol
@skooter21108
@skooter21108 4 жыл бұрын
@@TugaAvenger you seen that suicide awareness video they did? Girl straight tries to murder herself. Tbh I'd do the same if I was forced to study 24/7 while listening to lo-fi. That's some kind of fresh hell and I love lo-fi when studying lol
@w.callens1629
@w.callens1629 4 жыл бұрын
someone should put Ian's voice on some chill music, learn something while relaxing
@jameskunkel3491
@jameskunkel3491 3 жыл бұрын
i just woke up and saw this paused 😂
@billynomates920
@billynomates920 3 жыл бұрын
@@jameskunkel3491 same but seven months later! :-)
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 4 жыл бұрын
"Red Russian shellac covered glasses"🤣
@proteus2103
@proteus2103 4 жыл бұрын
@@bmstylee Do they not have roses in Russia?
@johnhans2929
@johnhans2929 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that was pure gold.
@worldfamousgi86
@worldfamousgi86 4 жыл бұрын
We do not laugh at glorious leader comrade.
@slowpokebr549
@slowpokebr549 4 жыл бұрын
way better than cosmoline covered contacts comrade.
@duckman12569
@duckman12569 4 жыл бұрын
Re small arms inflicting so few casualties by %, your heavy hitters aren't of much value if you can't keep enemy infantry away from them. I imagine it's comfier holding an air-strip with an automatic compared to a bolt-action.
@VT-mw2zb
@VT-mw2zb 4 жыл бұрын
There are authorized strengths, and there are "actual" strengths in a squad. There are guys who are sick, on leave, etc ... On a good day, it's 80%. After heavy combat, 30-50% is more likely. A squad has about 4 heavy weapon systems that matters: grenade launcher, AT weapon, LMG, DMR. Half of a squad are riflemen. Guess what most of them are for? Yeah, to pick up those weapons when strength is at less than authorized.
@duckman12569
@duckman12569 4 жыл бұрын
@@VT-mw2zb Extra men picking up the weapon when it's dropped is redundancy, which is at the heart of most military planning. Or you can be a bad-ass, with a GL in one hand, and the LMG in the other.
@VT-mw2zb
@VT-mw2zb 4 жыл бұрын
@@duckman12569 yes, the thing is that the most casualty-producing firearms are not rifles. LMGs do most of the suppression and things that go boom kill. Explosives, from the hand, grenade launcher, rifle grenades, RPG tubes, mortars, etc ... of the infantry do the killings or covince the other guy that his position is untenable. Rifles are almost hilariously ineffective that way.
@loserface3962
@loserface3962 4 жыл бұрын
@@VT-mw2zb without rifles i bet our casualty rate would be higher due to people charging someone with no close range defense
@VT-mw2zb
@VT-mw2zb 4 жыл бұрын
@@loserface3962 the scenario I painted was more towards long(er) range defence; but even in the attack and in close environment like urban, while rifles (or other similarly short, handy weapons) are important, reliance on them to fight the enemy rifle-on-rifle lead to heavy casualties. Good video on this watch?v=PJ63GPi9hIQ Rifles, in general, are more defensive weapon; a discouragement method to ask the other guy to not get too close or stay in place while the big explosives are being dialled in. In urban structure clearing, the initial stage of Fallujah showed that attempts to clear structures with rifles on rifles lead to 50% casualty in one attack. That's impossible to sustain. Solution? Explosives, and more of them. Instead of entering a house through a door, use a tank cannon, a recoilless rifle round, or an explosive charge to blow a hole in the wall. If the structure collapse, well, you don't have to clear it. If a hole opens, chuck grenades through it. Frag your way to the objective. Rifle-on-rifle room clearing has its role; typically in situations where collateral damage is a concern (hostage, high value, must not kill targets, etc ...). On the defence, explosives are just as important. Mines, claymores, and overwatched barriers to deny access and slow down attackers while the mortars, artillery are being called in. Any defender worth his salt should prepare defensive fire plan to immediately drop a lot of explosives on the attackers.
@COLONELDRIVER
@COLONELDRIVER 4 жыл бұрын
I have a DP-12 and I love it! 16 shells in about 4-5 seconds. Reliability of a pump shotgun but yes she is heavy.
@Bmaenpaa2
@Bmaenpaa2 3 жыл бұрын
As do I. Love shooting it.
@venomfang8560
@venomfang8560 3 жыл бұрын
Brings a smile to my face everytime I take mine out of its case. It's not for lightweights.
@bonergiver1914
@bonergiver1914 3 жыл бұрын
I love mine. 16 Rds, 4-5 seconds. Very minimal recoil. And back to the bedside
@ryantanzola
@ryantanzola 2 жыл бұрын
What’s the time stamp for the DP12?
@SteelSaint749
@SteelSaint749 2 жыл бұрын
@@ryantanzola 1:07:47
@aussiebloke609
@aussiebloke609 4 жыл бұрын
55:23 "I kind of have a goal of doing... _all_ of the guns." It's good to have goals - and that one in particular sounds like there should be some fun along the way.
@theJellyjoker
@theJellyjoker 4 жыл бұрын
1:10:21 Here's the mail it never fails it makes me wanna wag my tail, when it comes I wanna wail! Maaaaaaail!"
@iaaiasromo1541
@iaaiasromo1541 4 жыл бұрын
He jumped
@moosemaimer
@moosemaimer 4 жыл бұрын
I listened to the .mp3, and had to watch it just to see his face
@shadowstorm657
@shadowstorm657 4 жыл бұрын
Nice.
@gerald8573
@gerald8573 4 жыл бұрын
@@iaaiasromo1541 I'd also jump.
@anthonyflanders1347
@anthonyflanders1347 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think anyone got the reference but as someone who was a kid in the 2000s nice reference.
@Pheonixco
@Pheonixco 4 жыл бұрын
"Didn't boost C&Rsenal" That makes me really really sad. Such a great channel and all that effort and still only a slight bump in recognition..
@JoeWalker98
@JoeWalker98 4 жыл бұрын
Probably mostly due to KZfaqs rando anti gun waves that quash anything about irl guns, history or not. Probably killed its reach, didnt have it as a notif for people.
@JakimAkim
@JakimAkim 4 жыл бұрын
@@JoeWalker98 more likely it is not a casual enough channel to grab viewers.
@alanfhall6450
@alanfhall6450 4 жыл бұрын
Worked for me. I wasn't aware of C&Rsenal before Project Lightening (been a longtime follower of Forgotten Weapons) so that's one extra buck per month it got them. REALLY hope I'm not the only one one because Othias & Mae do a fantastic job. I do realise that that kind of depth is a definite time commitment, though.
@fuzzlemacfuzz
@fuzzlemacfuzz 4 жыл бұрын
I came the other way, found here through C&Rsenal, which I found from The Great War
@danielcadwell9812
@danielcadwell9812 3 жыл бұрын
@@JakimAkim Exactly I saw their cross over videos but still didn't have much interest in watching them.
@michaelathens953
@michaelathens953 4 жыл бұрын
These Q&A episodes never fail to provide well-presented information and thought provoking, intelligent discussions.
@zumkzwxwq
@zumkzwxwq 4 жыл бұрын
Think about it, even dogs would immediately bark in frustration by the mere mention of an L85....... I think thats pretty obvious how that went for all of us.
@andyd2960
@andyd2960 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see Ian get a small role in an action movie.
@KTo288
@KTo288 4 жыл бұрын
I'm binge watching the time travel TV series Timeless, in which in one episode one time traveller takes a period appropriate firearm. I can imagine Ian doing a cameo as himself as a consultant/armourer Q type character for a time travelling organisation providing era and geographically appropriate firearms for the team.
@zacharyclarke4240
@zacharyclarke4240 4 жыл бұрын
small role? he should star in one!
@jonathanshaltz7750
@jonathanshaltz7750 4 жыл бұрын
John Wick 4, maybe? He should be an arms dealer. "So, I hear you need to infiltrate the 1930s French Foreign Legion?"
@andyd2960
@andyd2960 4 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanshaltz7750 or maybe a bad guy. A Hitman with a thing for the old West.
@blacklabel131
@blacklabel131 4 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanshaltz7750 Yeahh an arms dealer or a gun store owner works really well for him i think hahah, i can imagine john wick walking into an antique-esque gun store with all these really old and historic weapons up on all the walls and then after john talks with ian he pushes a buttons and then all the shelves switch into modern, prototype and mil spec weapons xD
@dyveira
@dyveira 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone who asks if equipping people with superior weapons over muskets makes a difference has never been in the army or at the very least never read anything about battle doctrine. Suppressive fire is a key part of taking objectives, by decreasing enemy ease of movement and enemy fire to allow your own forces to overtake them. As for the machine gun burst, in the army we were taught to say "sonofabitch" under our breath and hold the trigger for exactly the amount of time it took to say it (usually a second or two). It works. 🤷‍♀️
@zachpalmero1356
@zachpalmero1356 4 жыл бұрын
Do you want me to thank you for your service? I feel like that's what you want
@benzracer
@benzracer 4 жыл бұрын
For us on the 240 it was "die little people die get some" and release on the get some.
@noclass2gun342
@noclass2gun342 3 жыл бұрын
@@NormandyFoxtrot you are incorrect sir. Yes artillery is important in taking a point, but its infantry with small arms that actually holds a location. Does no good to take a location, only to have it taken back as soon as you stop shelling it
@terry7907
@terry7907 3 жыл бұрын
But where he is wrong, both historically and currently, is in stating that the objective of war is to take terrain, not inflict casualties. We can take all the terrain we want to in Afghanistan, and we have not won. The objective is always to impose your will on the enemy to convince them continuing the war is futile, by territorial occupation, casualty infliction, economic effects, or something else. Ian’s favourite war, WWI, is a prime example. When the war ended the Germans still occupied a significant amount of Allied territory, while the Allies had not put one soldier on German soil. Yet it was the Germans that surrendered.
@noclass2gun342
@noclass2gun342 3 жыл бұрын
@@terry7907 Afghanistan is a whole new war... were not fighting a traditional army on a traditional battlefield anymore
@scubasteve4355
@scubasteve4355 4 жыл бұрын
I believe the actress in Terminator actually had the DP-12's stock above her shoulder when she was "shooting" it.
@skepticalbadger
@skepticalbadger 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is apparently the weapons handling that will help save humanity... www.imfdb.org/images/4/4a/TDF_142.jpg
@scubasteve4355
@scubasteve4355 4 жыл бұрын
@@skepticalbadger haha, to be fair, she is fairly short and clearly the gun's too big for her.
@stephenwoods4118
@stephenwoods4118 4 жыл бұрын
Dog: Dangerous packages, must protect Papa and Mama!!! Just had that here too.
@edm240b9
@edm240b9 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the little surprised jump at 1:10:21. Just priceless IMO.
@jlucas9342
@jlucas9342 4 жыл бұрын
I had to rewind and watch it again, made me laugh even harder the second time :D
@coolsenjoyer
@coolsenjoyer 4 жыл бұрын
I was mostly just annoyed that Ian didn't take the opportunity to make "clearly the dog doesn't like SUSAT" joke
@slowpokebr549
@slowpokebr549 3 жыл бұрын
6:15 I carried an SKS as a truck gun in Missouri in the 90's. I kept it loaded in the passenger seat, muzzle down in the floor board. Back then you could not have a loaded rifle in a vehicle. A Sks mag could be dumped by simply reaching down and pulling the mag release. It's a great 75 yard and under rifle and it's reliable as a hammer. I still have a soft spot.
@epl803
@epl803 4 жыл бұрын
Just because you have foresight into what's coming next in arms development/tactics does not mean those around and, more importantly, above you, do. The joys of being in, or working with, militaries; often the oldest and most outdated pieces of equipment in their inventories are their senior officers.
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 4 жыл бұрын
I think the trick would be to convince someone with a ton of money to set up a shop and start pumping out LMGs night and day but keep it secret. Then when war were declared: "Hey guys, we happen to have a million of the best LMGs on the planet stockpiled over here. Got a few tons of gold you could spare for them?"
@trooperdgb9722
@trooperdgb9722 4 жыл бұрын
In their defence you have to acknowledge that EVERY inventor claims TO those old/senior officers his new gun is "perfect" for any/all roles... even when its a piece of junk no one can get to work. New ideas often ALSO require massive adjustments in the logistic tail of an Army.... a factor that those most keen on new inventions often seem to forget about. "Amateurs study tactics (and weapons development) , professionals study logistics"
@deathlis
@deathlis 4 жыл бұрын
The camouflage velour robe...for the sophisticated outdoorsman!
@kyleno4mk27
@kyleno4mk27 4 жыл бұрын
My answer for the "what would you do at FN or DWM in 1900:" Come up with some kind of intermediate caliber proto-assault rifle/carbine. The trick would be to sell it as being for the cavalry! A small, handy, cute, very Victorian little gun; that has lots of target and sporting feature from the era. I'd probably try and go with a tappet style gas system, and a triangular bolt like the Leader T2. 5 round detachable mags, that load from a stripper. That would appeal to the military of the era, but leave the gun up-gradable for trench warfare.
@MARCBOIREAU
@MARCBOIREAU 4 жыл бұрын
my anser: nuclear bomb
@onsesejoo2605
@onsesejoo2605 4 жыл бұрын
5:45 Finnish captain Kari Pelo designed a sub machine gun in the late 1940's that had a fixed magazine or semi fixed perhaps. For the loading the magazine opened on a hinge. It was intended to be loaded with pre-set paper package of cartridges. Only a few prototypes were made 1949 - 1951. The Pelo sub machine gun was lightweight, 2,9 kg roughly 7 lbs and meant to be carried in a holster with magazine and stock folded. There are few pictures available on it. Edit. the right side of the magazine opened for loading.
@Zorglub1966
@Zorglub1966 4 жыл бұрын
a very interesting design, but at first glance, it looks a bit fragile.
@ostiariusalpha
@ostiariusalpha 4 жыл бұрын
So, it follows the Breda Modello 30 school of reloading. And you know everybody is a huge fan of that machine gun.
@onsesejoo2605
@onsesejoo2605 4 жыл бұрын
@@Zorglub1966 I haven't found more information on Pelo but at that time, the army had already adopted the Finnish copy of PPSH 43 on 9mm parabellum as "Kp m/44" nick named "Pelti Heikki" - "Tin Henry". It was used until 70's e.g in the UN operation on Cyprus. Also the Frontier Guard used it.
@JanoTuotanto
@JanoTuotanto 4 жыл бұрын
1954 Finnish military bought huge amount of surplus Stens for price of scrap iron . These filled the need for any compact submachinegun.
@onsesejoo2605
@onsesejoo2605 4 жыл бұрын
@@JanoTuotanto And obviously, Suomi - was available and in reserve up until buying Chinese AKs in the 90's.
@crazyfvck
@crazyfvck 4 жыл бұрын
The only movie gun that truly annoyed me was the Glock with a "hammer" from the first Ant Man movie. That was really dumb. All they had to do was use a gun with a hammer!
@leroyatleroys
@leroyatleroys 4 жыл бұрын
I could go on about movie guns that bug me. But the main one for me is the Morrita rifle in Starship Troopers. They are needlessly bulky. The officer carbine versions look sort of okay. But then you remember that they don't have sights of any kind. A few have these ridiculously huge scopes that kinda remind me of the experimental night vision scopes from WWII. You have a society that mastered space travel, but can't even put a post up front or back to at least be able to aim. Plus the absurd length defeats the purpose of being a bulpup. The dumbest part is that the props were built off Ruger Mini 14 receivers. They went to so much trouble to make the rifles functional, just to forget the most important part of a service firearm.
@NicholasAdeptus
@NicholasAdeptus 4 жыл бұрын
Hearing a hammerless gun “cocked” in movies always gets a chuckle out of me.
@mauer594
@mauer594 4 жыл бұрын
Glock 7
@hildebrand142
@hildebrand142 3 жыл бұрын
@@leroyatleroys yes yes yes yes yes yes. PLUS, the apparently underpowered caliber. WTF? here, go fight the bugs, but you don't have a firearm that'll actually kill them unless your entire platoon joins in! (that being said, i still enjoyed the movie overall).
@thoughtengine
@thoughtengine 3 жыл бұрын
That annoyed me in a Tony Park novel as well.
@craigfurey942
@craigfurey942 4 жыл бұрын
I thought you were going to talk about books on the Krag without realizing there were two sitting right beside you and I almost peeled my face off
@blastshadowproject
@blastshadowproject 4 жыл бұрын
I have had the thought experiment before, relating to the question of How to convince militaries to adopt an "ahead of the curve" firearm. Here's one idea. Say you have designed a simple, reliable stocked machine pistol during the First World War. How to get it into the hands of the boys storming the trenches? Two words. State fairs. Sell your guns, not to the military, but the families and home towns of the boys fighting "over there." With the expectation being that they would send them to their loved ones on the front as a little extra to help them, along with letters and photographs and snacks. Care packages were one of the regular sources of irregular small arms in that conflict. Sell enough of them on the home front, and if the design does well in the hands of the troops, a military contract might follow
@chemistrykrang8065
@chemistrykrang8065 Жыл бұрын
This sort of thing would be too expensive for the "here's a pistol from your uncle Tom" care package market. Even if the military were happy for grunts to use non-issue weapons (they weren't - officers could private purchase some things but even then there were rules) then we'd be talking the equivalent of thousands of dollars at the time - just look at how expensive Thompsons were.
@diestormlie
@diestormlie 3 жыл бұрын
On the "up to date small arms" question: You beat an enemy when they stop fighting you. That can mean 'they're dead, but honestly, them being far enough away from you that they can't stop you? Good enough.
@ryanreese5885
@ryanreese5885 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great work man, keep it up. You’re doing great things for the gun community.
@carlcarlton764
@carlcarlton764 4 жыл бұрын
Re: "You are transported back in time" Easy. You start by err 'inventing' the kind of guns you know militaries will buy. That gives you a reputation as a great gun designer and once you got that and a ton of money from your 'inventions', you can work on the kind of guns militaries will buy once 'war were declared'. Like a direct blowback select fire pistol caliber carbine that is rather easy to manufacture. Not too easy. Cheap looks look bad pre DoW and radically and quickly simplifying your design would only increase your reputation.
@brucebaxter6923
@brucebaxter6923 4 жыл бұрын
my list is ak, owen, aa12, minigun
@ootdega
@ootdega 4 жыл бұрын
Ian has too much integrity for that.
@stevenbobbybills
@stevenbobbybills 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta make the STEN before WWII, easy and simple to produce and made in good numbers for the Commonwealth and resistance movements in mainland Europe.
@matchesburn
@matchesburn 4 жыл бұрын
Part of the problem is that the people that invented those firearms had the clout to get it looked at and issued. History, as Ian's channel has shown, is littered with examples of great designs being passed over because whoever was designing and making them didn't rub shoulders with the right person while many times the inferior design or concept won out through sheer "who you know" metrics. So even if you time travel and convince the people there that you're a genius, if you don't convince the right people they won't give you the time of day. And a design too advanced will just make them leery.
@Asghaad
@Asghaad 4 жыл бұрын
id say before WW2 you would do well if you put forward long range precision bolt rifle - its a tech military back then would understand but capabilities of magnified optic on super accurate platform would get your "foot in the door" then you could work your way up to select fire rifles pretty quickly
@stamfordly6463
@stamfordly6463 4 жыл бұрын
Re: The 1900 question I think you could convince the British of the value of a light machine gun if you could provide an example of a robust man-portable design along the lines of the Bren. Anything bigger, heavier or more embuggering, even Lewis sized, might have been more difficult to sell at the time. This is because I don't think that at the time the British problem with machine-guns was not that they could see the value of them but that things like the Vickers didn't fit in with how they thought they were going to fight. Lacking a large conscript army the British thought that their soldiers would have to be as mobile as possible and as good shots as possible. After-all the whole idea of the SMLE's volley-sights was to achieve the effect of an MG with something as manoeuvrable and flexible as a section or platoon. If in, say, 1910 you'd shown them a gun that was nearly as accurate as a rifle in single-shot mode, that was simple and robust, that one man could carry and use and yet could still keep up with a rifle company I think that Horseguards would have bitten your arm off.
@coreys2686
@coreys2686 4 жыл бұрын
re: 3D printing and C&R firearms. I can also see 3D printing (and heat-treating, etc) parts that can break and using them while keeping the original part undamaged. That way you can fire it to your heart's content while preserving its condition and original value.
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 4 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that is exactly what Geissele did with the Lightning Trigger Bow on the Tavor. The 3-D printed part only lasted 5 or 6 shots but it proved the concept well enough that it was put into production.
@ZombieWilfred
@ZombieWilfred 4 жыл бұрын
@@dbmail545 That's prototyping, which, yes, 3D printing is great for, but I think this person is saying that you could make disposable reproduction parts, which is not the same thing.
@guitarguru167
@guitarguru167 4 жыл бұрын
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@TJ4774
@TJ4774 4 жыл бұрын
That's impressive that you do all of it yourself. I bet between research, filming, and editing you stay extremely busy. I'm surprised to hear this because you'd think with that kind of work load the quality would be bound to suffer somewhere but nope, not even the slightest. Keep up the good work Gun Jesus 👍
@heinzxzxzxzxzx
@heinzxzxzxzxzx 4 жыл бұрын
German infantry man here: the G36 mags have very little doctrinal use of a dual mag. We're supposed to clip two together when defending a dugout or trench. However bc every magazine has those damn nipples its a pain to do speedy reloads or put away used mags thus its common practice to aquire mags that you don't have to give back and cut the nipples off or get G36 magpul PMAGs when you get deployed. Every guy i know (including me) has one modified mag that he keeps for a speed reload. So while the mags should have an advantage most of the time they are just super annoying.
@SgtKOnyx
@SgtKOnyx 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's my experience from back when I had an air soft M8. Mag changes were awful, those pegs would get caught up in the pouches. Nowadays, my "extra firepower" on my AR15 is a couple of 40 round mags.
@rhvette
@rhvette 4 жыл бұрын
There seems to be a decent logical reasoning for the clips. Namely that there’s a benefit to having that first reload/extra firepower in the gun at all times. Even going back to the SMLE using a ten round mag and reloaded with five round stripper clips, there seems to be a thought that “the soldier may get separated from the rest of his gear, but a soldier without a rifle isn’t a soldier, ergo if we keep extra ammo with the gun, he can get back the rest of his stuff.” And it’s not entirely without merit. The infamous “soldier fighting the Taliban in boxers” picture highlights the fact that you can’t have every trooper ready in full combat gear all the time, they have to eat and sleep eventually. So having a little extra firepower immediately at hand isn’t a bad idea. The problem, like you said, is in the details. Those nubbins get caught on everything and make it a pain to find mag pouches and carriers that fit. You have to design it properly so that the mags don’t interfere with accessing controls or the function of the gun. And no military likes the idea of intentionally stocking multiple “redundant” items that are distinct enough to keep separate. It’s one thing to have USGI aluminum M16 mags and PMAGs, since their use is doctrinally the same you can just toss them all into the same bin. It’s another to have to sort and store them separately. Which means the long and short of it is that you either tend to have to deal with the clips on mags that don’t benefit from them, or you don’t get clips.
@commando552
@commando552 4 жыл бұрын
I've used G36Cs in the British police (and less so SG552s for that matter and the same applies), and literally the only time I ever coupled them together was when playing the "enemy" role in a training exercise when not wearing a load vest. They are dire for getting in and out of a pouch, fortunately for police use you are pretty much only ever using single magazine pouches so they are at least not getting hung up on each other. Fortunately, after they started getting MCXs my force got AR-15 mag-well adapters and started using the same Lancer mags for all weapons and they are like night and day in terms of speed and ease of use. I can imagine that when these weapons were adopted though it was probably seen as a good idea. For example, back in the 80s and early 90s seemingly the standard for British special forces was to tape mags together. However, these days you never see this. My guess is that back when taping/clipping mags together was "in vogue" web gear was less developed than it is today, so the bulk on the rifle trade off was worth it for that initial reload speed. Now vests, pouches and webbing are for better for speedy reloads so I think the equation has flipped to the other side where it is not worth doing. The only instance where I can see it still having a place is if you are in a situation where you are carrying your rifle for self defence but not your full web kit, where doubling your round count and having the ability to switch away from a potentially bad mag could be helpful.
@heinzxzxzxzxzx
@heinzxzxzxzxzx 4 жыл бұрын
@@commando552 clipping mags together isnt even that bad imo, when you have situations where you have a high volume of fire at a close range, so trench combat, cqc or fighting of eastern hords ( I know that idea is kinda cold war but still a thing somehow) i see it being really useful for speedy reloads so i occasionally used it and there are ofc tricks to make the shitty standard issue mag pouches work.
@commando552
@commando552 4 жыл бұрын
@@heinzxzxzxzxzx In my experience I never really saw the point. Granted my military use was with bullpups where doing this brings other problems, and with conventional rifles it is only police use which has other priorities so I may be biased. The problem I always had was not so much with the first reload, but with everything after that. Coupled/taped mags are a real pain in the arse to deal with, they won't go into a regular web pouch that you are taking a replacement single mag out of, if you have a mag pouch big enough they are a far more awkward shape to get in than a single mag, and if you put it in a dump pouch or drop it down your jacket it is more of a brick that gets in the way more. The only way I could really see it working is if you ONLY used coupled mags so they were all treated the same, but at that point you are only getting 2 mags into what should be a 3 mag pouch which means you are adding a lot of bulk to your kit. On the topic of pouches, what are the standard German G36 pouches? I have seen single along with doubles with no divider so I assumed that if the doubles were used they were meant for coupled mags. All that being said, I can imagine them being useful if you are only in a static position and don't need to necessarily worry too much about managing them in and out of webbing or the bulk and weight they add to the rifle, but for such a specific use it seems like a total waste to make every magazine 50% wider than it otherwise needs to be.
@kevbrand8824
@kevbrand8824 Жыл бұрын
It's 3 AM and poppa Ian's putting mijo back to sleep. God this dude's a treasure.
@williamcramer7623
@williamcramer7623 5 ай бұрын
I hope you continue with your podcasts. You have a way of making technical information entertaining and enjoyable. Thanks.
@CanalTremocos
@CanalTremocos 4 жыл бұрын
About the 1900's weapon visionary scenario:: the best way in my mind would be to send an advisor a few weapons to a small nation on a small conflict. There were still many "undeveloped" nations fighting small colonial armies where just a couple LMG's could change the tide of the war and make ink flow back in Europe. The trick is not getting too much of a great power mad at you... A few examples would be African revolts against Portugal, Indonesian revolts against the Netherlands or South American conflicts where arming locals against world powers would be seen as less of a faux-pas.
@ostiariusalpha
@ostiariusalpha 4 жыл бұрын
The pre-Belgian Congo would have been the perfect candidate for this kind intervention. I'd put pre-Rhodesian Zimbabwe as a good runner up. Both were privately backed colonial projects that wouldn't require killing any European nation's actual uniformed soldiers, and therefore requiring their governments to carry out punitive military expeditions for the sake of national pride.
@ldkbudda4176
@ldkbudda4176 4 жыл бұрын
Yea.. Imagine British Khakis with Lee Metfords/Enfields charging against Boers with LMG's...> (after some short time) > Boers with LMG's charging against last British ships evacuating South Africa for good! A la Dunkirk in 1900! Vivat Transval!!! :)
@ostiariusalpha
@ostiariusalpha 4 жыл бұрын
@@ldkbudda4176 That would be logistically impossible, even if someone was willing to foot the bill. There's simply no way to supply the Boers with enough ammo to make sustainably effective use of MGs against the UK army to save the Boer Republics, much less drive them out of South Africa. The only outcome that would have produced would be more dead British soldiers, and subsequently more British MGs brought in to counteract them. You still would have the internment camps, and eventual Boer surrender; the British Empire's resources were simply too large to make enough of a difference. You would definitely spur on early development for LMGs though.
@voiceofraisin3778
@voiceofraisin3778 4 жыл бұрын
@@ldkbudda4176 Mr Vickers and Mr Armstrong would have an opinion on that!
@troopertrooper8925
@troopertrooper8925 4 жыл бұрын
The Brits HAD Maxims in several pre WW1 colonial conflicts...and THAT did NOT convince them of the battlefield superiority that became so obvious in WW1. They were not "proper" wars and so no lessons could be learned!!!!
@joshy7759
@joshy7759 4 жыл бұрын
On the SKS: Nyet, rifle is fine.
@joemarsh4724
@joemarsh4724 4 жыл бұрын
My .22lr story: I believe it was 1976 or 77. I was working at Olin corporation's St. Marks powder plant. We had just redesigned the mixing (blending) barrel to put the pack out in a separate building. The first night shift was interesting. This was a three sided shed in Florida, in the summer, with street lights inside the building. You might say bugs were a problem. We (3 man crew) tried to shutdown the process but the Forman said keep running. We even put bugs in the QC samples. Bugs in the powder bugs crawling all over us. Miserable night. So the powder got shipped to Winchester's St. Louis factory full of busted up bugs and made into .22lr. About a month latter, surprise, Winchester recalled about a million rounds.
@CFABN267
@CFABN267 4 жыл бұрын
Sat down to cherry pick through the timestamps. End up watching whole thing. Thanks for your work, Ian.
@paulmanson253
@paulmanson253 4 жыл бұрын
Ian. You mentioned drinking a smoky tea. The strongest smoky tea I am familiar with is Lapsang Souchong. I have no idea what US availability is like,but it is a tea you either like a lot or you don't. No doubt others seeing this post will make knowledgeable additions,but this is what I have personal experience with. Cheers.
@itatane
@itatane 4 жыл бұрын
It is available, I have even seen it at Wal-Mart before. It is marketed as an "American" style tea since it has a smoky, almost bacon taste and aroma. Count me as one of those who absolutely abhors the vile stuff. I would rather put Darjeeling in the microwave for ten minutes, then add sweetened condensed milk and microwave it for another ten, and subsequently let it go cold before drinking than taste Lapsang Souchong again....
@paulmanson253
@paulmanson253 4 жыл бұрын
@@itatane You sir have made your position unmistakably clear. Rather than get in any way upset,after all,personal taste is exactly that,may I suggest you find someone knowledgeable in Vietnamese coffee drinks. That is if you like coffee. There are some wonderful mixes that (I think the spelling is Pho) restaurants and others have that is nectar of the Gods. I hope you find things you enjoy. Lapsang Souchong being one you abhor. So be it. Cheers.
@itatane
@itatane 4 жыл бұрын
@@paulmanson253 I do hope that my comment gave you a bit of a chuckle, as it was meant to be tongue in cheek hyperbole. (I have a British friend who groans in agony whenever I describe microwaving tea.) I enjoy most different caffeinated beverages, but lapsang souchong is just not cuppa tea, if you will pardon the pun. My thanks for the recommendation of Vietnamese coffee, I shall have to look it up. On that note, have you ever tried Masala Chai or Indonesian Minsus? Minsus can be hard to get, but you can find it in Indonesian military rations. It is like a spiced coffee/hot cocoa mix. Cheers!
@1804unclesam
@1804unclesam 4 жыл бұрын
Best non-colt C&R 1911 is one made by Singer sewing machine company. Of course, if you even find one it’s going to cost a massive amount of money. Something like 500 were ever built before the war department had them making the norton bomb sight.
@lucajohnen6719
@lucajohnen6719 4 жыл бұрын
Another point on the stripper clip Vs detachable magazine thingy: If you stay at around 10 shot capacity, strippers are way more efficient. Imagine a Smelly (even if the mag was detachable like a modern rifle) and think about how much ammo you could carry in stripper clips on your gear for the same space and weight a clunky mag has. Only with higher capacity or smaller bullets (intermediate for example) a magazin really becomes the only viable option. That's why most modern firearms using full sized rifle rounds and having a detachable mag are usually either civilian weapons or marksman's rifles
@Dragon100098
@Dragon100098 4 жыл бұрын
Luca Johnen I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that. Any sort of battle rifle such as an M14, FAL, AR10 or Scar-H are chambered for a full-sized rifle cartridge and feature detachable magazines. Obviously, the FAL and M14 have proved the efficiency of using detachable magazine over stripper clips, else rifles like the SKS would still exist.
@tomprice6918
@tomprice6918 4 жыл бұрын
Dragon100098 remember though theyare 10+ c capacity
@edwalmsley1401
@edwalmsley1401 4 жыл бұрын
Relying on stripper clips is like relying on one mag,if anything goes wrong with the feed spring,follower of feed lips,or just get gunk in it your pretty screwed,in a removable mag gun you change your mag and all those critical parts are a new and clean
@lucajohnen6719
@lucajohnen6719 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dragon100098 Yeah, like Tom Price said, I wanted to add that any mag fed rifle UNDER OR 10 rounds
@lucajohnen6719
@lucajohnen6719 4 жыл бұрын
@@edwalmsley1401 We are talking 1950s Soviet Union, mass mobilisation, Conscripts and limited training. And its easier to damage said parts on a magazin, and you also carry these things over and over and over again.
@SamnissArandeen
@SamnissArandeen 3 жыл бұрын
Quick note on your viewer asking about movie guns and mentioning 007. That line about "Brick through a plate glass window" was written in reference to the Beretta 25, only for one of Ian Fleming's first readers to write him a letter basically explaining why the PPK was an infinitely superior handgun for someone like Bond. The movie adaptations kept the line just with the new weapon. This is actually referenced in Licence to Kill!
@dinonatorful
@dinonatorful 4 жыл бұрын
Ive seen this guy hanging out on a couple planks somewhere before
@SawedOffLaser
@SawedOffLaser 4 жыл бұрын
Why did I think this was a pirate joke.
@EeroafHeurlin
@EeroafHeurlin 4 жыл бұрын
Metal 3D printing (at least with the common selective laser sintering on powder bed -approach) is definitely not going to produce equivalent strength to milled-from-billet part regardless of heat treating. The surface finish is also rough so the way to make something like bolt would be to make oversize one and mill/grind it to correct dimensions and surface finish. DMG-Mori published (already 5yrs ago, gods!) a super cool combined method system kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNiPg9GWyt-zY2g.html but the price tag and operating costs mean that you better be raking in lot's of that sweet aerospace biznez money.
@darkally1235
@darkally1235 4 жыл бұрын
For anyone wanting to be a gun designer - see Hudson H9
@marcusborderlands6177
@marcusborderlands6177 17 күн бұрын
That want really a gun design fail, it was a marketing one. They marketed the lighter aluminum gun before delivering the steel one and lost all funding as everyone pulled steel frame orders for the aluminum models release
@ristoalanko9281
@ristoalanko9281 4 жыл бұрын
I can listen almost two study hours of Forgotten Weapons, I never could keep awake when my history teacher was speaking. Ian has a wonderful style, explaining details of guns and history.
@MikeNepo
@MikeNepo 4 жыл бұрын
2030: "Hey Ian, how many guns have you covered?" "All the guns" O.o
@xx-ph5ml
@xx-ph5ml 4 жыл бұрын
Listening to his Gospel. #blessed
@newtclovers
@newtclovers 4 жыл бұрын
*His gospel. Capital H, bro!
@chuckcochran8599
@chuckcochran8599 2 жыл бұрын
I also believe Ian, that with the SKS it came down to practicality. They were looking for a mass produced weapon, intermediate cartridge, semi-auto to replace the Mosin. The Mosin was stripper clip fed, so there would be no need for additional training of the conscripted peasant soldier if they stayed with a stripper clip feeding mechanism. Basically, they could just hand these new carbines and the ammo, with very little time needing to be spent training/retraining the troops.
@guardrailbiter
@guardrailbiter 2 жыл бұрын
Doggo channels inner AOL: "You've got mail." Sadly, Ian only hears barking.
@Bruciando
@Bruciando 4 жыл бұрын
@ 1:07:40 -- No, Q is selling Bond on the PPK in .32 after he [Bond] came back from rehab after having the snot beat out of him by a Soviet agent who didn't like it when Bond tried shooting him [said Soviet agent] with Bond's (previously) favorite little mouse gun when he [Major Boothroyd, aka Q] makes that statement...
@lewhanwen4302
@lewhanwen4302 4 жыл бұрын
None of the John Wick movies as of now actually have the DP12. The scene you're likely remembering is the scene where Wick declares he's back and chases after Viggo. Keanu actually uses a Kel-tec KSG there, though the two guns are substanially similar in appearance and feeding.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 4 жыл бұрын
Oops!
@painmagnet1
@painmagnet1 4 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons The KSG is dumb, too.
@lewhanwen4302
@lewhanwen4302 4 жыл бұрын
@@painmagnet1 At least it's not the DP12. The DP12's a awkward heavy piece of crap that has no real reason to exist other than "we can make a double barrel kinda semi auto pump action" The KSG has the sense to use only one barrel and has a legit reason for the dual mag tubes.
@FelixDKatz-tb7or
@FelixDKatz-tb7or 4 жыл бұрын
@@lewhanwen4302 It is kind of heavy for the ladies no doubt, but 10lbs is not that heavy. I fill mine with half shell slugs. 24 of them. And it works flawlessly. It is not "two guns stuck together with some plastic." If it were, it would probably weigh less then 10lbs. it is a solid aluminum block with a small amount of poly. "piece of crap"? seriously? what is your standard for a good shotgun under $5k I think this would meet it. It may not be your cup of "tea." But it is certainly not crap. It is very well made by Connecticut Shotgun Co. makers of high quality Shotys so pricey you dont even ask how much. And they are always worth it. it is a fun and impressive gun. That has reliable design, made of top quality materials. And it functions really smoothly. My favorite part is that you won't shoot your hand off. yes, it is a gimmick. But a very neat one. that honestly would make any intruder soil him/herself pretty easily. And it can keep it's munitions within most walls. and yeah you could really clobber them with it when you go empty. But at 24 shells if you go empty. You have to many advisories for just one gun.
@FelixDKatz-tb7or
@FelixDKatz-tb7or 4 жыл бұрын
@@painmagnet1 KSG totally lame. pump shoot......switch tubes......ow! my thumb!!! Vs. boom-boom click click boom-boom. goes faster that way. And you can keep your entire hand after.
@michaelknightmustdie
@michaelknightmustdie 4 жыл бұрын
This was lovely. Spending an hour with Ian talking about firearms history is a great way to spend a day!
@bumholekid1383
@bumholekid1383 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly love this channel more than you know, mad respect for you Ian appreciate the grind!
@JustanOlGuy
@JustanOlGuy 4 жыл бұрын
AR-15 the IBM PC of firearms!
@xxheartbrokexx100
@xxheartbrokexx100 4 жыл бұрын
Ardy Head agreed
@bryceforsyth8521
@bryceforsyth8521 4 жыл бұрын
So; awful design, but ubiquitous?
@SuperAsdf21
@SuperAsdf21 4 жыл бұрын
Good enough and now refined into a variety of very effective examples spanning a variety of budgets.
@Slick263
@Slick263 4 жыл бұрын
I love how you jumped when Dharma started barking. Happens to me with my dog all the time.
@Yamatool
@Yamatool 4 жыл бұрын
Love my mosin. With the bayonet on she shoots 2moa at 100 yards standing. I was blown away it could shoot that good also a little surprised I shoot that good. It also really helps polishing the trigger bits making it such a joy to shoot. Mine also appears before me it had absolutely no wear and has potentially never been in service.
@baen1466
@baen1466 2 жыл бұрын
Three minutes in, listening back after the result of said trials and it's fun to see time exist.
@forestcampbell8962
@forestcampbell8962 4 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy the Q&A videos.👍
@aerofd
@aerofd 4 жыл бұрын
One of the problems with extensive live fire small arms training is cost. As a long retired Air Force vet, my military firearms training consisted of two days during basic and then maybe 60 to 100 rounds per year for the next 22 years. Now I generally shoot once a week at an indoor pistol range, firing between 150 and 300 rounds per week. That translates to $27 to $54 per week, assuming I only shoot 9 MM. With approximately 1,300,000 people in US military service it would cost between $35,000,000 and $70,000,000 per week for the same amount of 5.56 NATO. Would it be money well spent? I think so. For me, a radar technician who never fired a weapon at anything more dangerous than a paper target no, for combat ready Soldiers and Marines I certainly hope so. You talked of controlled burst in full auto, my AF basic training in full auto was one 20 round mag that was not scored. I have no idea what sort of small arms training AF troops are receiving now, if some one in my old AFSC is deployed to a combat zone I hope they get more than I did. A lot more.
@jonathansanino6072
@jonathansanino6072 Жыл бұрын
I cant believe how much you get done by yourself. As always, very impressed by you sir
@GoldphishAnimation
@GoldphishAnimation 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to praise you for putting timestamps on these videos, and love how knowledgeable you are on guns. Keep up the great work, and God it makes me wish more of KZfaq was lit this challenge
@arieheath7773
@arieheath7773 4 жыл бұрын
I believe it was a KSG in John Wick. And the plate glass window was referring to the PPK, after Bond was forced to upgrade from his little Beretta .25
@tycinis
@tycinis 4 жыл бұрын
the reaction to the dog was priceless !
@hughquigley5337
@hughquigley5337 3 жыл бұрын
Ian's dog scared the SHIT outta me and I couldn't help but laugh until my sides hurt at 3 in the morning. I'm so glad he left that in the video
@davidaxman
@davidaxman 3 жыл бұрын
I have just one thing that I would like to add to these fantastic Q&A videos: pictures! When I'm at a computer I have separate window up, searching for pictures of everything you're talking about. But when you're on your phone it's not as easy. For instance, when talking about the EM-2, maybe add a picture of the EM-2. Other than that, these videos are top notch!
@Axemantitan
@Axemantitan 4 жыл бұрын
I would try to convince pre-WW1 militaries to adopt intermediate rifle/machine gun cartridges.
@lenheinz6646
@lenheinz6646 4 жыл бұрын
Great Q&A, as always! On the issue of what gun to design at the turn of the 20th century, I agree that it's a tough call but my choice would be a semi-automatic military rifle. I also agree that SMGs are not the first choice, as armies in 1900 could not conceive of a tactical use for them. I'm concerned that those armies also would not see the utility of LMGS. I think they were in a transitional period of still seeing MGs as very light artillery rather than somewhat less mobile infantry, so the utility of an LMG would be lost on them. (Witness the Madsen, as you said.) I might be able to sell LMGs to calvary, but even then I expect it would be tough sledding. But a semi-automatic rifle would be understood as augmenting the firepower of individual riflemen, and that would be attractive to 1900-era armies. As you know, these sorts of arms were already in development just after the turn of the century. No one quite got to the finish line before the Great War began, but someone could have with an earlier start and a bit more focus. I'd have to sell people on the firepower versus ammo wastage issue, but armies were already heading in that direction. One point about the effectiveness of small arms on the modern battlefield--it also plays an important role in defense. Volume of fire can do a wonderful job of convincing the bad guys not to come closer, allowing you then to drop some bad news (read anything from rifle grenades to JDAMS) on their heads. This is the converse of your point about small arms firepower shooting in an assault, and I'd argue that it had even more of an effect on the modern battlefield. Either way, small arms fire can fix an enemy so that heavier weapons can finish him off.
@1804unclesam
@1804unclesam 4 жыл бұрын
Q&A = instant like. Best thing about the drive to work.
@Gangxisiyu
@Gangxisiyu 4 жыл бұрын
In 1900s, what might work with future knowledge. I think targeting the love and romance of cavalry is the way to go. They loved the cavalry so much, selling them on an SMG, something that could be used for hit and run tactics, easy to use, with a lot of firepower, with a big magazine that they could easily swap while riding and showed that it was BETTER then the foot brigades, I think appealing to the ego of the cavalry office of having "A single rider be able to fire more then a squad of foot infantry" would sell. And then by the time they're all dead due to HMGs you can take the SMG production and give it to the infantry.
@psinno
@psinno 4 жыл бұрын
Suddenly I want forgotten weapons movie reviews.
@MongooseTacticool
@MongooseTacticool 4 жыл бұрын
Paul Harrell sort of did the new Rambo lol
@theozone5481
@theozone5481 4 жыл бұрын
Why no 30 Carbine ar15, because 556 is to much.” **300blk has entered the chat**
@blindprophet182
@blindprophet182 4 жыл бұрын
When i started this video i paused it. Made some tea, came back and hey it looks like im on the same wavelength as ian.
@blindprophet182
@blindprophet182 4 жыл бұрын
Of course there's merit to stacking mags together. Of course its situational and you have to comprimise weight and possible reliability. Trekking through the desert probably not a good idea. Clearing bldgs and needing to switch mags in a pinch, or using from a confined space in a veihicle without having to manuver yourself to get the mag.. maybe
@oklahomahank2378
@oklahomahank2378 6 ай бұрын
The question about rifles at 19:52 reminds me of Jeff Cooper’s comment about handguns in combat. He said almost no soldier needs a handgun but they all want one.
@Govanmauler
@Govanmauler 4 жыл бұрын
We are all forgotten weapons, we are legion!
@danieladams553
@danieladams553 4 жыл бұрын
You missed a golden opportunity in the case rim discussion to say that due to poor qc rounds varied on a "case by case" basis.
@honeybadger2332
@honeybadger2332 4 жыл бұрын
Love the bar globe! Have one just like it! Love your channel! I learn something new every time!
@Compgeek86
@Compgeek86 4 жыл бұрын
There is a 100% chance that globe is actually a liquor cabinet
@max-fightmaster7673
@max-fightmaster7673 4 жыл бұрын
There is a pseudo-AR15 carbine in use in Israel, IIRC they were made to take advantage of surplus M1 carbine ammo and magazines. UPDATE: It's a special version of the Galil called the MAGAL
@JakimAkim
@JakimAkim 4 жыл бұрын
The one he talks about in the video you mean?
@SomaticApparition
@SomaticApparition 4 жыл бұрын
The DP-12 shows up in the new call of duty too - although it’s barely pretending to be realistic anymore of course.
@Calvin_Coolage
@Calvin_Coolage 4 жыл бұрын
You haven't been keeping up with it I see. The marketing and hype was foaming at the mouth with 'muh realism'. Althought the DP-12 is really the only weirs, impractical memegat in that game. Every other weapon makes sense except for it.
@piergiorgiocaroli9201
@piergiorgiocaroli9201 4 жыл бұрын
@@Calvin_Coolage Also the Hand-held Minigun and the Frankensniper HDR.
@Calvin_Coolage
@Calvin_Coolage 4 жыл бұрын
@@piergiorgiocaroli9201 The minigun is a basically a given and the HDR is at least a neat frankengun.
@jamesr792
@jamesr792 7 ай бұрын
Coupled magazines are super useful for using a rifle WITHOUT gear. A police officer’s patrol rifle, for example. He may not have time to get his chest rig or whatever out, so an extra mag right there on the gun makes sense. On base use in the military makes sense too. You may not need your gear, but carrying your rifle around with a mag and one extra might make sense. Civilian home defense also may well present a compelling case for coupled magazines, but honestly that’s a stretch. Tl/dr i guess it would be nice to have the ability to couple magazines, but it by no logical means should be a requirement.
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 4 жыл бұрын
0:38:05 There's a general principle that doctrine drives technology, not the other way around. The idea that a military sets requirements for equipment based on the roles they think they need, and technology works to meet them. However, there are a number of exceptions to that principle. Generally, it happens when something is so overwhelmingly superior in technology or capability to it's contemporaries that it carves out it's _own_ role. Barrett M82 comes to mind. To that end, I recommend convincing FN/DWM of 1900 to try and make an MG-34 analogue and simultaneously convince militaries around the world to adopt the General Purpose Machine Gun (GPMG) concept. The -34 itself, if made right, will unquestionably impress officers with it's sheer capability (though I suggest putting a fire-rate reducer on it). Then, using the MG-34 as proof of concept, start rallying hard behind the logistical advantages of a do-all machine gun. Any officer of 1900 would struggle badly to come up with a role that the -34 couldn't easily fill. It'd also be more economic to produce compared to the all-milled monstrosities of the 1900s, and we all know how economically-minded these guys are.
@Dafmeister1978
@Dafmeister1978 4 жыл бұрын
Hands up everyone who saw the question " If I could buy or build any one gun" and called EM2 Paratrooper?
@thelegendaryklobb2879
@thelegendaryklobb2879 4 жыл бұрын
I thought he would say a second model FG-42. I remember the video when he got to shoot an original in full auto
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. My other choice would be the Burgess Folding Shotgun, but that might have legality issues today.
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 4 жыл бұрын
Dafydd Flower hell YES!
@originalSPECTER
@originalSPECTER 4 жыл бұрын
Why are they still wasting time on the L85 when they can get M16 of any configuration by the boatload from Canada or the US for a fraction of the cost...
@DiggingForFacts
@DiggingForFacts 4 жыл бұрын
With new training manuals, added instructor training, new armourer's kit, new slings, new vehicle mounting brackets and of course convincing parliament that the destruction of thousands of perfectly good rifles in order to spend more on buying completely different rifles that essentially do the same job is a good way of spending the MoD's budget (as opposed to "We'll just buy some extra parts"), it gets a lot more expensive very quickly.
@originalSPECTER
@originalSPECTER 4 жыл бұрын
DiggingForFacts You know, you don’t have to destroy the rifles...
@DiggingForFacts
@DiggingForFacts 4 жыл бұрын
@@originalSPECTER You do if you're the British Government. Surplussing them to a former colony isn't going to work as they all have their own service rifles and I don't see any British political party wanting "military assault machine guns" ending up on a commercial market in any way, shape or form.
@SnoopReddogg
@SnoopReddogg 4 жыл бұрын
After the EM-2 getting stooged by the Yanks, there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell the Brits were going to adopt a US Rifle when the SLR was getting replaced!
@mitchnorton9095
@mitchnorton9095 3 жыл бұрын
I bought sn sks from a friend who had never shot it. The first time I racked the cocking lever it ripped vthe whole mag full auto and I never touched the trigger. Remember, always keep the barrel downrange. That is the first time my Army training came in handy on civvie street.
@sultanofsick
@sultanofsick 4 жыл бұрын
About jumping out of your chair when the dog barked really cracked me up :D
@TheMCD1989
@TheMCD1989 4 жыл бұрын
Any chance you'll ever be able to get your hands on a SAF submachinegun? I know they aren't anything interesting mechanically, I've just always thought they were a cool and unique use of the SIG 550 series rifles.
@Spike_B343
@Spike_B343 4 жыл бұрын
For everybody wondering where is DP12 rant timestamp, it's basically the 1:07:27 - Movie guns I hate
@silverspade2570
@silverspade2570 3 жыл бұрын
You clearly haven't shot one!!! It's an amazing and very reliable shotgun.
@Spike_B343
@Spike_B343 3 жыл бұрын
@@silverspade2570 I never said I have. Those are Ian's words, not mine.
@MeatVision
@MeatVision 4 жыл бұрын
Ian's knowledge butters my muffin
@CiastoToKlamstwo
@CiastoToKlamstwo 4 жыл бұрын
magazine coupling is useful, but only when in action in specific scenarios, like CQB. That's why I think SIGs system is actually the best one. It doesn't interfere with anything you do if you're not using it. It's cheap because It's just a small element milled in a magazine mold, so it doesn't really increase the cost and can't be lost. You can easily attach an additional mag before an encounter on the run without fiddling with any additional clips or tape
@tarjei99
@tarjei99 4 жыл бұрын
In order to convince the army that you know what you are talking about you need to establish a framework for discussing your suggestions. Just remember that they will be VERY concered about ammunition expenditure. Remember that the British seems to loose their understanding of machine guns when they disbanded the Royal Machine Gun Corps.
@Joetorres3
@Joetorres3 4 жыл бұрын
John wick It was a KSG, not a dp12, if I’m not mistaken.
@thespicyboys3252
@thespicyboys3252 3 жыл бұрын
Idk if its his cadence or the information but i can listen to him educate for hours upon hours
@ryanhawn1846
@ryanhawn1846 3 жыл бұрын
Mg42 bipod was made to be flexible because you aren't always shooting on flat ground. U are in a trench or behind cover hills ect. It also flips around and is sturdy for flat ground
@steeltalon2356
@steeltalon2356 4 жыл бұрын
If you ever wanted the super shotgun from Doom the DP12 is the closest you'll get.
@idontwanttoputmyname403
@idontwanttoputmyname403 4 жыл бұрын
I thought the super shotgun has always been break-action? Are you thinking the Quake super shotgun?
@steeltalon2356
@steeltalon2356 4 жыл бұрын
@@idontwanttoputmyname403 ah right. Quake 2. My bad.
@idontwanttoputmyname403
@idontwanttoputmyname403 4 жыл бұрын
@@steeltalon2356 it's cool. The Quake Champions one looks really good.
@WendiGonerLH
@WendiGonerLH 4 жыл бұрын
as much shit is flung at the mosin-nagant for its functionality, at least in my opinion, a good, well maintained mosin with pre-war quality finish is far more aesthetically pleasing, they are damned handsome rifles, something about the overall look just gets my mind rolling
@kyle857
@kyle857 4 жыл бұрын
All down to taste I guess. I think they are ugly.
@BeingFireRetardant
@BeingFireRetardant 4 жыл бұрын
Have always loved the finger notch in the back of the trigger guard, and wondered why that little ergonomic grace was not more universal...
@WendiGonerLH
@WendiGonerLH 4 жыл бұрын
Kyle incorrect opinion, your dissidence has been noted
@gymkhanadog
@gymkhanadog 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVE my Mosin. 600yd on iron sights is just a breeze.
@parrotraiser6541
@parrotraiser6541 4 жыл бұрын
Early cartridge designers were probably all thinking about how to stop cartridges falling out of the front of revolvers.
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