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Shooting the Yugoslav M49/57 Submachine Gun

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The Yugoslav M49/57 submachine gun looks very similar to the Soviet PPSh-41, but it constructed quite differently, and has a much larger recoil spring. The question is, how will it shoot? Will it be fast and controllable like the Papasha or slower like the Sudayev?
Thanks to Marstar for letting me examine and shoot their M49/57!
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@mnk9073
@mnk9073 6 жыл бұрын
Trigger slap is obviously very clever slav engineering to remind our soldiers to not waste ammo on full auto. After all 7.62×25mm Tokarev rounds don't grow on trees, not even in most glorious Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
@TheRedneckPreppy
@TheRedneckPreppy 6 жыл бұрын
My father enjoyed the M49/57 videos. He carried this in the Yugoslav army back in the day. He had fond memories of that subgun.
@blazenkagordic2050
@blazenkagordic2050 4 жыл бұрын
Jel ti cale srbin?
@TimCools_WithALongO
@TimCools_WithALongO 2 жыл бұрын
I like the fact that when you compare the slow-motion footage from this and the PPSh-41 you can see the PPSh rattles quite a bit between its upper and lower, whereas this gun doesn't. Nice to catch those tiny distinctions made by different manufacturing processes.
@von_nobody
@von_nobody 6 жыл бұрын
This is not bug but feature: trigger kick mean "stop shooting, you waste ammo" :D
@ewokuk
@ewokuk 6 жыл бұрын
It doesn't trigger kick if you run it till it's empty - it's a feature installed by ammo manufactures!
@yamahonkawazuki
@yamahonkawazuki 4 жыл бұрын
@@ewokuk they want you to waste ammo though...you buy more that way
@atilliar
@atilliar 6 жыл бұрын
I find it really interesting that these older sub machine guns are a large as modern carbines. It's no wonder that the Russians called the AKs smgs and used them as such.
@wyattpeterson6286
@wyattpeterson6286 3 жыл бұрын
Well, guns like the ppsh-41 and the AK-47 are sturdier than the over priced plastic toys soldiers use today.
@firestarter5205
@firestarter5205 2 жыл бұрын
@@wyattpeterson6286 lmfao no
@zelpyzelp
@zelpyzelp 2 жыл бұрын
@@wyattpeterson6286 Okay Mr. Boomer-fudd lmao
@MG-wi1eq
@MG-wi1eq 6 жыл бұрын
3:42 that tactical Yugoslavian reload.
@MCsMRBONE
@MCsMRBONE 6 жыл бұрын
So I'm not the only one who saw this :D
@MG-wi1eq
@MG-wi1eq 6 жыл бұрын
Mister Bone I'm gonna reload like that from now on.
@jeffengland2791
@jeffengland2791 6 жыл бұрын
Talk about a dream job. lol
@AKATenn
@AKATenn 6 жыл бұрын
The ppsh-41 wobbles around like a wet noodle when you fire it, this gun is totally solid
@jondrake8896
@jondrake8896 4 жыл бұрын
To everybody complaining about this dude not dumping the mag......he is probably being respectful to the actual gun owner
@quistan2
@quistan2 6 жыл бұрын
The slow motion footage reveals a silky smooth operation. The bolt look well decelerated before impacting the receiver, and a very ridged barreled action, with little flexing.
@tomalexander4327
@tomalexander4327 6 жыл бұрын
Sunburnt Ian.
@MrHws5mp
@MrHws5mp 6 жыл бұрын
The thing I find myself looking for on the slo-mo videos these days is parts flex and bounce. It's really quite scary how much supposedly 'solid' bits of the guns move around relative to each other when you see it slowed down. This one seems remarkably solid, but then it's not firing the most punchy round in the world.
@paullytle1904
@paullytle1904 2 жыл бұрын
@Stefano Pavone it's a better submachine round than pistol round
@paullytle1904
@paullytle1904 2 жыл бұрын
@Stefano Pavone yeah there's definitely a reason they adopted the Makarov at the same time as the ak
@paullytle1904
@paullytle1904 2 жыл бұрын
@Stefano Pavone yeah there's definitely a reason they adopted the Makarov at the same time as the ak
@jamesgravel7755
@jamesgravel7755 2 жыл бұрын
Standard surplus 7.62 tok in a pistol runs about 1700-1750 in a smg it’s right around the 2000 mark. I think it’s a pretty damn good smg round. The stuff you buy nowadays is more like in the 1400ish range. That’s why I ordered rounds from 1950 and they are still perfect run just fine.
@kw9849
@kw9849 2 жыл бұрын
This isn't restricted to guns; you'd be surprised how wobbly and flexible an awful lot of everyday things are that we generally consider solid and immutable.
@vintageyamahasquid
@vintageyamahasquid 6 жыл бұрын
You should get something like a PPSH and an Mp18 to fire side by side with slo-mo. It would be interesting to see two different rates of fire and watch the action cycle side by side in slow motion.
@Moredread25
@Moredread25 6 жыл бұрын
I like how the leaves react in the background of some of the slowmo shots.
@zacht9447
@zacht9447 6 жыл бұрын
I love when he links the video at the end and you can see it a day early
@SundayBlunts8748
@SundayBlunts8748 6 жыл бұрын
you are a real Inspiration, doing what you love for years and letting us watch :)
@witeshade
@witeshade 6 жыл бұрын
During the last slow motion scene it looks like you could actually see the trigger being kicked forward by the bolt as he moved his hand.
@Pyrosteveo
@Pyrosteveo 6 жыл бұрын
I always hate myself for doing this, but I can't help I to... Now I have to wait two days for a new video...
@goaliesforpres
@goaliesforpres 6 жыл бұрын
Unrelated. No matter how crappy my day Gun Jesus is always there to help
@dropebk6069
@dropebk6069 6 жыл бұрын
you can actually see the trigger snap forward at 4:16
@ancientwarrior3482
@ancientwarrior3482 5 жыл бұрын
Yugoslav M49: Son PPSH-41: Father Suomi KP-31: Grandfather
@raditya5663
@raditya5663 4 жыл бұрын
Mother : beretta smg
@dankovac1609
@dankovac1609 3 жыл бұрын
Grandfather: Mauser C96 Schnellfeuer
@LUR1FAX
@LUR1FAX 3 жыл бұрын
@@dankovac1609 Schnellfeuer is also from the 1930s.
@dankovac1609
@dankovac1609 3 жыл бұрын
@@LUR1FAX yes
@5t6blue
@5t6blue 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely can see the trigger kick back in the last slomo clip.
@ScottfromNP
@ScottfromNP 2 жыл бұрын
Great touch seeing the muzzle deflect gas to the side moving the vegetation. Quite a lot of deflection.
@markdavis-oi6om
@markdavis-oi6om Ай бұрын
2:45 I wonder if you could design a gun like that on purpose. It would basically knock your finger off the trigger just long enough for it to reset. Then when you pull back, it would go off a second time.
@6172crew1
@6172crew1 Жыл бұрын
I’ve shot both of the M49 and PPSH, the M49 is much more controllable. Thanks for sharing to everyone who can’t own one. Mine is a Stemple tube gun so it’s possible they tuned it better than the real ones but it’s very easy to shoot in TT ammo but also shoots 9mm which is a bonus.
@shawnr771
@shawnr771 6 жыл бұрын
The trigger slap although it might be a bug and not a design of the weapon . It could be useful. The slap could be trained into the shooters as point to release the trigger. Thereby shooting bursts instead of emptying the magazine.
@bdockett
@bdockett 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like a gem. That an M4 carbine or an AK actually outperforms this thing in close combat is rather scary.
@kw9849
@kw9849 2 жыл бұрын
In close quarters, 900-1000rpm out of this thing is probably better than either.
@nutz4gunz457
@nutz4gunz457 6 жыл бұрын
We are the chosen ones!
@cricetus9361
@cricetus9361 6 жыл бұрын
nik pik John Rambo
@thelaststraw3311
@thelaststraw3311 6 жыл бұрын
Really? I don't feel Jewish....
@davell1078
@davell1078 6 жыл бұрын
It was said that we would destroy the sith, not joint them.
@planesrift
@planesrift 6 жыл бұрын
I love the aesthetic.
@TheRogueWolf
@TheRogueWolf 6 жыл бұрын
I know I made a litle fun of it for being an "overengineered PPSh", but man, there is just no flex or shake to that gun at all- especially compared to the PPSh-41 itself!
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 2 жыл бұрын
Might be what they had to make it with, too - big presses for the Shpagin, lathes and mills for this?
@GunFunZS
@GunFunZS 6 жыл бұрын
Ian- when you do this sort of video, I really would like a "3rd person" type view, so we can get a feeling for how easily you can keep them on target. Side view doesn't quite convey that you keep them all in a vitals area, or that it rattles around a lot, etc.
@applechocolate4U
@applechocolate4U 6 жыл бұрын
Pro mag grab at 3:43
@vengefulone5725
@vengefulone5725 6 жыл бұрын
Gotta love that ROF, I really wanna get my hands on one.
@AequitasVision
@AequitasVision 6 жыл бұрын
4:16 You can see the trigger slap on the last round fired.
@fhlostonparaphrase
@fhlostonparaphrase 6 жыл бұрын
Something that I've been wondering on; in general is it advisable to use the magazine as a grip when firing? Depends on the design I guess, but can't that cause trouble with feeding? Or is this rarely a problem at all?
@miguelgameiro8063
@miguelgameiro8063 2 жыл бұрын
It depends rock and lock mags don’t damage if u pull them a specific way
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 6 жыл бұрын
when Not-Ian was shooting you can see it looks like there was some trigger slap along with a lot of recoil
@NiklasKing87
@NiklasKing87 6 жыл бұрын
you're the best Ian. first thing I do every morning is watch your vids before 0630 PT formation lol
@dorjedriftwood2731
@dorjedriftwood2731 6 жыл бұрын
Seems faster and more stable, considering it’s milled instead of stamped it makes sense.
@Traderjoe
@Traderjoe 6 жыл бұрын
Imagine a stick mag that was 20 feet long and had over 1000 rounds in it? I wonder if it would get so hot that it would destroy itself?
@vaclav_fejt
@vaclav_fejt 6 жыл бұрын
#StickingWithTheStickMags
@MG-wi1eq
@MG-wi1eq 6 жыл бұрын
Václav Fejt #Drummagsareinconsistant
@sjoormen1
@sjoormen1 6 жыл бұрын
Only thing I miss are targets:-)) After shooting It would be nice to show how precise theese weapons are.
@omardumbrell435
@omardumbrell435 6 жыл бұрын
That gun shoots so damned fast you can only see Ian's hat in the slo-mo footage.
@spoke1183
@spoke1183 5 жыл бұрын
what a great rifle
@interstellarlapisthecccp4946
@interstellarlapisthecccp4946 6 жыл бұрын
Not really sure why people are comparing this to the PPSH41... yes, aesthetically the two guns are similar, but in terms of design it is more like a Beretta Model 38. In that sense, the two guns are extremely different and pretty much polar opposites when it comes to the two schools of thought at the time as to what constituted a good SMG. On one hand, we have the heavy, machined, mid-low rate of fire, high stability and high quality Beretta. On the other, we have the cheap and quick to produce, relatively light, high rate of fire, get as many bullets downrange as quickly as possible at the expense of accuracy PPSH41. Which one is better? I really can't say... it often depends on the situation. I will say the PPSH definitely had a greater impact during WW2, and it was often used by the German and Finnish forces that were able to capture it. If I had to choose between the two in a battle to the death, I think I'd go for the Yugo as it has better accuracy and probably won't have the same feed issues as the PPSH. One last thing I should mention is that not all PPSH-41's are made the same, it also depends how well your specific gun was made because quality control back then was almost non-existent.
@blindprophet182
@blindprophet182 5 жыл бұрын
Ppsh seemed a little more controllable. Cant really tell through the screen though
@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273
@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273 3 жыл бұрын
Will probably be buying one in near future, can't wait...
@gautierlejeune8156
@gautierlejeune8156 6 жыл бұрын
it's rly quiet, surprising !
@RaoulKunz1
@RaoulKunz1 6 жыл бұрын
This honestly looks like a cross between the PPsh and PPD ;). I know that it's design wise and in manufacturing different but that's my first impression: "Oh look, a PPD, the Germans got a ton of those during Barbarossa..oh wait.." ;). Best regards Raoul G. Kunz
@donwyoming1936
@donwyoming1936 6 жыл бұрын
You can always tell who shoots a lot of bolt action battle rifles. They never wrap their thumb around the wrist of the stock. They always lay the thumb on the side of the stock. Avoid whacking your knuckle into your nose during recoil.
@ap1s2k78
@ap1s2k78 6 жыл бұрын
My closed bolt semi auto mac 10 clone has gnarly trigger slap. Hurts most with cold fingers. Needs a sprung disconnector like ar15.
@kenhelmers2603
@kenhelmers2603 6 жыл бұрын
A nice way to spend part of a day! :)
@rageagainstthehygiene2357
@rageagainstthehygiene2357 6 жыл бұрын
Great, so it is a PPSh-41 only a bit more expensive to make and a bit less comfortable to shoot. Why not just make exact PPSh-41 clones?
@viktordimovski6490
@viktordimovski6490 6 жыл бұрын
Yugoslavia in that period went agents warsho pakt and SSSR and they nedeet guns after 1949 Yugoslavia whit get military aid from USA until the later in the 1960 whit Hruschof then Zastava whill start whit SKS and AK variants
@dansneyd4646
@dansneyd4646 6 жыл бұрын
My bet is they didn't have the technical capabilities to produce the complex stampings
@MikeDCWeld
@MikeDCWeld 6 жыл бұрын
Rage Against The Hygiene it's only a PPSh-41 in basic layout and magazine choice. Mechanically, it's a different gun more closely based on the Beretta submachine guns. It also has an easily removable barrel, which the PPSh-41 doesn't have. Your question of why not just build a straight clone is valid, but the Yugoslavians decided on this route for whatever reasons. They _may_ be documented somewhere, but I don't know if anyone has ever found any such documents.
@therideneverends1697
@therideneverends1697 6 жыл бұрын
I mean these would have a longer service life since the barrel could be changed
@christophergoodwin7618
@christophergoodwin7618 6 жыл бұрын
The Mad Marxist 3
@serioussoldier7977
@serioussoldier7977 6 жыл бұрын
Ian have you ever seen a Toz 82? That is a pretty interesting forgotten weapon imo.
@yemum2364
@yemum2364 6 жыл бұрын
It's like a Suomi and a PPSh-41 had a baby
@Leander_
@Leander_ 6 жыл бұрын
3:44 If you had messed that throw up Ian, would you have redone the take? Rather brave of you to do something with such high degrees of 'fuck-it-up' potential at the end of a take :P
@joshmeads
@joshmeads 2 жыл бұрын
Canadian law questions - aren't all machine guns in Canada prohibited firearms? We're not even allowed to own most semi auto rifles. How is marstar allowed to have these guns and how is Ian allowed to come to canada and fire them? Thanks
@Cohac
@Cohac 6 жыл бұрын
I noticed you were holding the magasine in the last shot. I know that it causes misfeeds on the MP40, but doesnt the same apply to this one?
@williamsager805
@williamsager805 6 жыл бұрын
I like that Gun Jesus knows the name "Trigger Slap" for when the trigger bounces forward when the bolt slams rearward.
@user-og3ei3ni6w
@user-og3ei3ni6w 3 жыл бұрын
M49 and 100 type Submachine Gun Oh~~~Yeah!
@MG-wi1eq
@MG-wi1eq 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome SMG and video.
@AtholAnderson
@AtholAnderson 6 жыл бұрын
I know they weren't all that great, but can the M49/57 run the drum? (Assuming the drum itself is working properly)
@lenardmalcolm8800
@lenardmalcolm8800 6 жыл бұрын
That’s a nicer version I think looks better looks strong and the rate of fire could be dropped a little
@desert_jin6281
@desert_jin6281 6 жыл бұрын
So... would you say it handles like a PPSH41?
@barbatoslupusrex8712
@barbatoslupusrex8712 6 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna be the first to say this probably: PLEASE HOLD DOWN THE TRIGGER. I understand you are wanting to make more accurate shots, but it’s hard to register how fast the gun cycles rounds! Just do ONE FULL MAG DUMP. Or half a magazine at the least! That way we can really understand the cyclic rate of such a gun! Props to ya, otherwise, Ian! You’re doing god’s work for teaching people about guns and their history!
@dave4956
@dave4956 6 жыл бұрын
Full auto in Canada, and yet here we are only aloud to take my Ar to the range and back
@viktordimovski6490
@viktordimovski6490 6 жыл бұрын
Yugoslavs partizans loved the Beretta m38 this gun is mix caliber whit disayne in 48 Yugoslavia didn't go whit SSSR and they needed their guns
@billypaulwilliams
@billypaulwilliams 6 жыл бұрын
My God! I want one.
@binarystein8077
@binarystein8077 4 жыл бұрын
trigger slap ...a burst reminder in full auto
@yamahonkawazuki
@yamahonkawazuki 4 жыл бұрын
you my friend have the best job in the world. you get paid to have fun.
@XtreeM_FaiL
@XtreeM_FaiL 3 жыл бұрын
Inconsistent RoF. Is is because of the gun or ammo?
@matejmatej3554
@matejmatej3554 6 жыл бұрын
Jugoslavija Jugoslavija Jugoslavija Jugoslavija hehehe POZDRAV svim jugoslovenim iz domovine SLOVENIJE
@vesnarajic9631
@vesnarajic9631 6 жыл бұрын
Ima nas i ovde
@zorans5200
@zorans5200 5 жыл бұрын
Cuj.."pozdrav" a sjebali jugoslaviju sa odcepljem..😕
@jessesands4099
@jessesands4099 4 жыл бұрын
Matej matej Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore!🤨🇷🇸🇭🇷🇲🇰
@stanislavt6376
@stanislavt6376 5 жыл бұрын
Cool gun !
@SentimentalBadger
@SentimentalBadger 6 жыл бұрын
PpSH...hell of a shotgun
@Bladsmith
@Bladsmith 6 жыл бұрын
u wot
@fiasco7P
@fiasco7P 6 жыл бұрын
the first shoot seam to recoil lets them the subsequent round
@teufeldritch
@teufeldritch 6 жыл бұрын
A lot quieter than I was expecting.
@baronhouba1
@baronhouba1 6 жыл бұрын
I need some mag dumps Ian, this bursting is absolutely unsatisfying :(
@thebaddest2562
@thebaddest2562 6 жыл бұрын
Looks very controllable
@pickleparty247
@pickleparty247 6 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't holding it by the magazine cause misfeeds?
@user-dl4px2gl8i
@user-dl4px2gl8i 3 жыл бұрын
Gdje nabaviti za kupit
@domino52o26
@domino52o26 6 жыл бұрын
@4:16 Jeez that trigger slap is pretty damn bad
@adammedbery4454
@adammedbery4454 6 жыл бұрын
ouch!
@ap1s2k78
@ap1s2k78 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah it is. My MPA 9 has it too but not that bad.
@MrDgwphotos
@MrDgwphotos 6 жыл бұрын
But where do you stick the stick mag you're sticking with?
@TheDLVProject
@TheDLVProject 6 жыл бұрын
Aw happy Ian
@calihernandez3105
@calihernandez3105 6 жыл бұрын
How is possible that the other shooter in slow motion didn't move the weapon betwen shots?
@gabber88ful
@gabber88ful 6 жыл бұрын
Goodday ian if you have the chance can you make a video about the toz 82 with the machete stock
@GHOSTLYIRONPISTOL
@GHOSTLYIRONPISTOL 6 жыл бұрын
great video
@LUR1FAX
@LUR1FAX 5 жыл бұрын
Lahti and Shpagin made love, and had this child.
@CheshireTomcat68
@CheshireTomcat68 6 жыл бұрын
Any reason you had your thumb on the same side of the gun as your fingers, some of the time?
@consul.
@consul. 6 жыл бұрын
Югославский ппш. Интересно, патрон 9*19 или 7.62*25 ?
@PavewayJDAM
@PavewayJDAM 6 жыл бұрын
Whats with all the trees in the backgrou....oh wait its Canada...
@Pcm979
@Pcm979 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder, if they wanted a gun that looked like a PPSh, handled like one, and used the same mags, why not just make a PPSh? One with better QC of course, but why mess with the internals?
@burlatsdemontaigne6147
@burlatsdemontaigne6147 6 жыл бұрын
All explained in the previous video.
@Pcm979
@Pcm979 6 жыл бұрын
No, it isn't. I watched the video again after reading your comment to make sure I hadn't missed anything. I hadn't. You either misunderstood my question or misremembered the video.
@AerodromZeljavagodine
@AerodromZeljavagodine 5 жыл бұрын
Ovaj Automat Je Moj Otac Duzijo u Jna 1971
@csorgb05
@csorgb05 6 жыл бұрын
It looks more like a Suomi than a PPSH.
@bbbbBEOTCH
@bbbbBEOTCH 6 жыл бұрын
have you ever had a chance to try out headsets like the peltor comtac 3, jus curious...or any1 here in the comments?
@AerodromZeljavagodine
@AerodromZeljavagodine Жыл бұрын
my father used this machine gun in the JNA in 1971 in Tuzla
@flyingninja1234
@flyingninja1234 6 жыл бұрын
How is Marstar in possession of full auto firearms in Canada? Interesting SMG, I'm surprised the Yugoslavians didn't ditch the drum magazines entirely.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 6 жыл бұрын
Marstar is licensed to have prohibited items.
@raditya5663
@raditya5663 4 жыл бұрын
Yugos : make axis gun with soviet flavour
@patrolmostwanted
@patrolmostwanted 6 жыл бұрын
Could someone elaborate why it ejects to the left instead of to the right like almost every other righty weapon (assuming that it's actually a righty gun)? Have I missed some kind of explanation in any of these vids? Seems weird.
@acbthr3840
@acbthr3840 6 жыл бұрын
Because thats the side the ejection port is on. Some guns just have a reversed ejection port.
@patrolmostwanted
@patrolmostwanted 6 жыл бұрын
Well, that's what we know already. I'm simply asking why.
@benjaminhenegar291
@benjaminhenegar291 Жыл бұрын
Is to the ppsh as vz is to ak
@candidmoe8741
@candidmoe8741 6 жыл бұрын
Dear Gun Jesus: How can you tell the difference between milled vs stamped receiver just from shooting?
@ductileiron98
@ductileiron98 6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant reasoning on how to burn off firearm oil..
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