Captain Carl Pelo's Model 1954 Prototype Semiauto Rifle

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Carl Pelo was a an engineer with Sako in the 1930s, and developed a series of self-loading rifles. He used a short recoil mechanism with a pair of locking flaps on the bolt, much like the Degtyarev machine guns from the Soviet Union. Pelo attempted to market his design both to the Finnish armed forces as well as the UK and Sweden, but was unable to get any interest (in Finland, this appears to have been largely the result of trying to sidestep standard military procurement channels by appealing directly to civil government authorities).
Prior to the Winter War, the Finnish Army was short on funds and did not see the value in trying to adopt a self-loading standard infantry rifle, but this opinion changed by 1940. There was not nearly enough time to develop Pelo's rifles between the Winter War and Continuation War, but by the early 1950s the Army was willing to give the gun a real chance. It performed surprisingly well in testing, but was ultimately rejected for its cartridge. The Finnish test rifles were chambered for 7.62x54R (53R in Finnish usage), and in Swedish testing 6.5x55mm. Finland decided to adopt a rifle in 7.62x39mm instead, and this made Pelo's design moot. While testing and iterations on the design continued through the 1950s (the model in today's video is a 1954 pattern), nothing was ever put into production and surviving examples are very scarce.
Thanks to Sako for giving me access to film this one from their factory museum!
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@Horizontalvertigo 3 жыл бұрын

Ian's kinda quietened voice here makes me imagine that he was invited to tour Sako's facilities, but then he disappeared from the tour, got into the collection, and started filming haha

@caprise-music6722 3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha yes 😹

@walmorcarvalho2512 3 жыл бұрын

I have this headcannon that Ian has became something akin to a gun fairy that gunsmiths and engineers of good heart call upon to inspect and suggest improvements on their designs or bless their workshops. All one needs to do in order to summon him is to light some candles, offer some Roth-Steyr pistols and chant CHASSEPOT three times in rhythm

@ynotdeviltry5968 3 жыл бұрын

@@walmorcarvalho2512 also becoming a member of his Patreon wouldn't hurt lol!

@beargillium2369 3 жыл бұрын

He should do that at Winchester mystery house

@stephenchapman4440 3 жыл бұрын

Either that, or he's nursing the mother of all hangovers.

@themeatpopsicle 3 жыл бұрын

No loud speaking at the Sako factory, noted

@victoreem2 3 жыл бұрын

Or maybe little too much gin the day before 😅

@AmorrSummerstorm 3 жыл бұрын

Give him some slack, hes drinking all the gin and fondling every historical firearm we can offer, must Be tiring

@andersjjensen 3 жыл бұрын

I think he had to film at a location with significant echo.... Or just no loud speaking at the Sako factory...

@zdwaffles 3 жыл бұрын

He was in the library of the sako factory

@wastedangelematis 2 жыл бұрын

good timing, my parents were sleeping next room

@Afrohare 3 жыл бұрын

Now *that* is a forgotten weapon - just like the Ahlberg, had no idea this existed.

@exploatores 3 жыл бұрын

some of weapon arn´t even forgotten. to be forgotten. I don´t think many know they existed.

@Trashcansam123 3 жыл бұрын

Trials guns are like that. So obscure that they don’t even make the lists on Wikipedia

@Afrohare 3 жыл бұрын

@@Trashcansam123 Well, yes and no. Jatimatic never "made it" either, but it is extremely notorious here in Finland.

@Afrohare 3 жыл бұрын

@Samson Holdsworth 2016 called and it wants its punch line back.

@Afrohare 3 жыл бұрын

@Google Ghey Umm - I don't know, I don't remember. Something as relevant as "what are those?!?" or something.

@herknorth8691 3 жыл бұрын

"I've got a couple of those." - Fireplace guy

@catfish552 3 жыл бұрын

I dunno man, he only seems to do pistols.

@gunsbeersmemes 3 жыл бұрын

I wish we lived in a time, where we could have an Ian McCullum and Bob Ross crossover.

@bonnome2 3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't be even that crazy. Bob Ross was in the US state air force for 20 years. He left at the rank of Master Sergeant.

@pyrobob5724 3 жыл бұрын

Happy little guns?

@MrTeton 3 жыл бұрын

@@pyrobob5724 Tiny people with little guns Little armies march to little drums What do they want? What do they want? Tiny soldiers with little guns Little tanks, no bigger than your thumb They want you

@CptKob 3 жыл бұрын

Gun Jesus!!!

@SlavicCelery 3 жыл бұрын

I'm pulling for Mr. Rogers first. "Each and every firearm is special in its own unique way. Along with the person holding it."

@TR-xp9yj 3 жыл бұрын

Not surprised a guy formerly in the military would want to bypass the mess of any armed forces development cycle and try to catch the eye of the politician/bureaucracy.

@demonprinces17 3 жыл бұрын

Isn't that how the ar/m 16 get sold to the air force

@torg2126 3 жыл бұрын

@@demonprinces17 Eugene Stoner showed up to a Airforce brass BBQ. He impressed them by shooting watermelons

@mencken8 3 жыл бұрын

@@demonprinces17 Yes- but that wasn’t the whole story. Curtis LeMay was in a position to adopt it for the Air Force as what would amount to a sentry rifle, but it would never have made it past Ordnance for general adoption. Waiting in the wings, however, was Robert MacNamara as Sec Def, who was very impatient with the Armed Forces bureaucracy, and he decided that the AR was good and got behind it.

@TheSpekkel1 3 жыл бұрын

Carl Pelo worked with Tikka and State rifle factories (VKT) during the interwar period and was well aware of the hardship of getting anything even considered by the army. Earliest known semiautomatic prototypes designed by Pelo and produced by tikka as far as I'm aware are from late 1920s, so pulling stunts to get seen after 30years of developing a rifle that nobody is willing to check out must be frustrating.

@jeremylewis4450 3 жыл бұрын

762×54 is a fun cheap round. Why hasn't anyone made this platform again?

@Guro512 3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact about Sako. Name comes from Suojeluskuntain Ase- ja Konepaja Oy, which means Civil Guard Gun and Machining Works Ltd.

@ikwer111 3 жыл бұрын

I actually prefer Sako.... makes life a lot easier

@spazzypengin 3 жыл бұрын

I have learned enough Finnish on Duolingo that I actually think I know how to pronounce those words!

@luisnunes2010 3 жыл бұрын

Thx!

@justskip4595 3 жыл бұрын

@@spazzypengin I actually once tried out the duolingo out of curiosity and boredom and went to test Finnish and I disagreed with the stuff there a lot. For me it seemed like it was made by someone who had learned Finnish but never spoken it.

@Ethnarches 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing better than seeing Ian cover Finnish small arms I wasn't previously even aware of although I'm a Finn.

@juhomaki-petaja 3 жыл бұрын

No perkele

@wilsonlaidlaw 3 жыл бұрын

One wonders if it could have been developed as a semi-auto sporting rifle, similar to the H&K 770.Sako have such a good reputation for quality, that there the expense of manufacture would not have been as critical. Its design would mean that there was no gas fouling to deal with as on a gas powered auto loader. Its profile and appearance are far more sporting than military.

@matthewspencer5086 3 жыл бұрын

A lot of the military problems with a recoil-operated rifle are to do with the bayonet, so a sporting rifle would have more chance. Thing is, John Browning and Remington (and FN) had already done that back in 1905 with what became the Model 8. Which sold quite a lot of rifles for a sporting semi-auto.

@jannehansen-haug3375 3 жыл бұрын

I guess that a recoil operated rifle might have some accuraty broblems whit its moving barrel

@jameskazd9951 3 жыл бұрын

@@jannehansen-haug3375 it is accurate enough, but it definitely wouldnt be a precision rifle. Almost all of the most popular handguns today are some sort of short recoil, often with a tipping barrel, and they can be made to be more accurate than you would think possible.

@wilsonlaidlaw 3 жыл бұрын

@@jameskazd9951 I suspect it could have been made more accurate than the average ability of most hunters. The standard accuracy/sighting test for UK deer stalkers and their rifle(s), is three shots in a 4 inch/10cm circle at 200 metres prone and I would think that would be well within the capabilities of such a rifle. My choice would have been to have it in either 6.5 x 55 Swedish or 0.270".

@matthewspencer5086 3 жыл бұрын

@@jannehansen-haug3375 I've read a modern review and test of a vintage Remington Model 8, which concluded that it was no worse than a lot of bolt and lever-action sporting rifles. And the Johnson military rifle used by the Dutch and the USMC certainly had an acceptable reputation. Ian made a shooting video of the Remington Model 8, too: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jtmBi86ktZO9mH0.html A sporting model of the Pelo rifle could have been acceptable.

@spudrobera4099 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if Ian had the chance to take a look at the 7.62x39 AR-10 offered for Finland in the late 50s. The Finnish military museum has done a good job of protecting it from the public eye for half a century.

@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 3 жыл бұрын

Like a CMMG Mutant, but old school?

@spudrobera4099 3 жыл бұрын

@@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 In the sense that it's an AR that fires 7.62x39. It had proprietary magazines, a folding charging handle and so on. One can find a picture online.

@gluemola 3 жыл бұрын

Another Finnish firearm I did not even know existed.

@davidbrennan660 3 жыл бұрын

Good field security.

@SlavicCelery 3 жыл бұрын

One might even accuse it of being a forgotten weapon.

@caprise-music6722 3 жыл бұрын

Name of the game

@TheArklyte 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly(?) it had failed to succeed in its own time frame and by the time question had arisen again, finns were already developing their own AK based rifle.

@plood1 3 жыл бұрын

One could even say that in the firearms world it's been forgotten

@sqeeye3102 3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, I'm really looking forward to the Sako reference collection videos that will follow. Fantastic video as usual, Ian.

@MRannikko 3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact mate! There are lot of prototypes and modifications in Sako showroom.

@hektonian 3 жыл бұрын

This thing has so many parts coming off of it with potential to go missing it's no wonder it wasn't adopted.

@JanTuts 3 жыл бұрын

Carl Pelo Perl Calo Perl cele Perkele! Yup, it sure is Finnish!

@nkwlde6978 3 жыл бұрын

Sr Pelo

@joro5748 3 жыл бұрын

Had this one been adopted, quite a few 'perkele's would have been uttered.

@hurri7720 3 жыл бұрын

Probably spoke Swedish as his native tongue though, and moved to Sweden before World War 2. Year 1940 he offered his weapon designs to Swedish (Eskilstuna) and Norwegian (Kongsberg) factories, but without success. When Swedish Armed Forces tested semi-automatic rifles year 1941 also his prototypes were among those tested, but lost to Ljungman design, which became automatgevär m/42 (automatic rifle m/42) of Swedish Army. In these Swedish tests the main handicap of Pelo's design seem to have been manufacturing costs, which were considered too high.

@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556 3 жыл бұрын

Carl Pelo Kar Palo

@thespecialbru 3 жыл бұрын

Flamboyant presentations to presidents? Burgess would like a word

@danielburgess7785 3 жыл бұрын

Nah, I'm good.

@Pcm979 3 жыл бұрын

There's a special place in my heart for prototype semiautos.

@LazyLifeIFreak 3 жыл бұрын

This rifle would not have worked out in the military, its not idiot-proof enough.

@Unus_Annus_ 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@Schrodingers_kid 3 жыл бұрын

Same as AK-12

@lightweight1974 3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't matter how idiot proof they made it. There's always a better idiot somewhere..

@noremorsewoodworking2258 3 жыл бұрын

@@Tounushi Leave a marine alone in a room with an adult magazine and he'll do irreparable damage to his own d**k

@wvwombat4866 3 жыл бұрын

@@noremorsewoodworking2258 leave a sailor in solitary confinement with an anvil for a weekend, and that anvil will end up missing, broken, or pregnant.

@fnfallout5664 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a simple Finn, i see blue-crossed flag, i click.

@davidweikle9921 3 жыл бұрын

When is the Fallout: Finland mod coming out?

@robgoodsight6216 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidweikle9921 🤣🤣🤣👍

@Unus_Annus_ 3 жыл бұрын

Damn burning leftist books

@fnfallout5664 3 жыл бұрын

@@Unus_Annus_ Stickers**

@SlavicCelery 3 жыл бұрын

Figured out how to sell my plant based "Viagra" through a sketchy email ad campaign. Finnish flag icon link!

@kenibnanak5554 3 жыл бұрын

I feel sorry for Capt. Pelo. He spent his life around one design that was no adopted. :(

@griffgoldstein6378 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly that happens to many firearms designers.

@314299 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting to see a Lee Enfield 303 mag adapted to 7.62x54R, as the SVT-40 mag was adapted to use 303 with the Globe "Mohawk" 303 semi auto SVT conversion.

@terry7907 3 жыл бұрын

Having worked with many foreign militaries-and foreign military weapons-over the years, what I find most astonishing is your ability to do D&A on them so smoothly.

@Fr0z3nS0liD 3 жыл бұрын

Oh man, more Finnish firearms. Time to like and comment for engagement.

@FoxMacLeod2501 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Much like, so engagement.

@_ArsNova 3 жыл бұрын

Sako? I just bought an M39 Mosin that was made there in '44 a few months ago. Fantastically accurate rifle.

@ynotdeviltry5968 3 жыл бұрын

I've never learned so much about a subject I didn't think I was interested. Thanks Ian. That said, for all its shortcomings, this is a beautiful weapon. The wood is stunning.

@jessebianchi2631 3 жыл бұрын

another interesting firearm. one suggestion, a small penlight would help illuminate those dim recesses and add nothing to your camera equipment's weight.

@ZomCon7.62x39 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, a penlight and perhaps one of Othias's patented plastic pokeys👆 🌈🌈🦄🦄

@mihalybalint8969 3 жыл бұрын

Ian: Short recoil in military service usually does poorly Barrett M82: Am I a joke to you?

@classifiedad1 3 жыл бұрын

Key word: usually

@DeliveryMcGee 3 жыл бұрын

The M82 is meant to reach out and touch someone a mile away, battle rifles of the time needed to be able to stab the dude RIGHT THERE when you were reloading, see also Ian's video on the Johnson rifle and its weird lightweight bayonet when the USMC adopted it.

@509Gman 3 жыл бұрын

Man portable semiautomatic .50 BMG is a niche case with enough advantage to allow it. No other semiauto x54r that I am aware of used recoil operation.

@Valkanna.Nublet 3 жыл бұрын

"54 rimmed, or 53 rimmed by Finnish terminology" Some people just have to be different :p

@ftdefiance1 3 жыл бұрын

Comrade Ivan says dah is true.

@foleymaj 3 жыл бұрын

The cartridges are actually slightly different in spec, not just the nomenclature. As a general rule, you can shoot 54R through a 53R chamber if it locks without resistance, but in general it's not recommended. And obviously, you can shoot 53R through any 54R gun.

@foleymaj 3 жыл бұрын

@dimapez That might be the case, I was referring to the fact that since 53R is slightly smaller it will not have problems in 54R barrels and chambers. I do wonder if that extraction problem could be mitigated by just adjusting the gas on the PKM. However, not like it's ever going to be an issue since 53R is only really made and issued for the TKIV85 as high quality sniper ammunition.

@RedXlV 3 жыл бұрын

The 7.62x53R has a 7.85mm bullet diameter (compared to 7.92mm for 7.62x54R),53.5mm case length (compared to 53.72mm), 14.4mm rim diamater (compared to 14.48mm), and 77mm overall length (compared to 77.16mm). That difference is usually not enough to matter, though. Unlike some other not-quite-identical cartridges such as .308 Winchester and 7.62x51 or .223 Remington and 5.56x45, 7.62x53R and 7.62x54R also have identical maximum pressure. So a gun that can fire one can almost always fire the other. So why does 7.62x53R even exist? Apparently after becoming independent, Finland switched to smaller diameter (7.82mm) barrels when the original barrels of their Mosin-Nagants started to wear out. Why did they do that instead of replicating the existing bore diameter? No idea. I know they bought a bunch of new barrel blanks from SIG in the early 1920s, so maybe that's just what SIG had in stock at the time.

@foleymaj 3 жыл бұрын

@@RedXlV Yeah that's my thought as well, they bought barrels or tooling abroad and the way they measured actual caliber was different from what the Russian did. So they just went with the smaller caliber. I think some earlier Finnish Mosins that have not been altered may have slight issues, but the Finns did start to modify their rifles chambers during WW2 to better accommodate 7.62x54R, as they would obviously capture some of this ammunition. Which is why no one really talks about this 7.62x53R thing in the US with Finnish rifles. They will take 54R just fine.

@DRNewcomb 3 жыл бұрын

That's one complicated mousetrap you got there, mister.

@scipio10000 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing better than a whiff of Finnish gunpowder in the morning ...

@calanon534 3 жыл бұрын

Unless you're Russian.

@terhazza 3 жыл бұрын

Carl Pelo is an interesting figure. He designed bunch of rifles and submachine guns for Finnish Army trials, and at least one of his semiautomatic rifles was trialled by Swedish Army, though they ended up with what eventually became AG 42. As I recall he designed both short and long recoil rifle prototypes. His submachine guns were workable and might have been produced if Finland had not captured PPS 42's which was promptly copied. After the war, he produced interesting fixed-magazine 9mm SMG, which was loaded by 30 round paper clips. The idea was to get around the problem of shortage of detachable magazines which had been very acute during the war.

@zendell37 3 жыл бұрын

It feels like there's an uppity librarian just off camera waiting to shush Ian.

@jameswoods7276 3 жыл бұрын

When I saw the thumbnail I thought "Finnish sks type Thing?" Soon as I heard "Flapper locked thing" I was like "Oooh this will be interesting!" And it was definitely interesting.

@jamesparker2413 3 жыл бұрын

Between this trickle of Finnish guns and history and HPC I decided to learn to speak Finnish. Can't get enough!

@IamOutOfNames 3 жыл бұрын

Ei voi muuta sanoa kun onnea vaan yritykseen.

@sportsman48 3 жыл бұрын

Y Sako Forester from the 70s is smoother and as accurate as a modern manufactured rifle and with a better trigger. Sako makes an amazing rifle and should be a top choice for many.

@tonyjohnston19701 3 жыл бұрын

Love the historical commentary, really the best part of these videos, well except for the times you get to shoot them :)

@mmclaurin8035 3 жыл бұрын

Is it weird I that I'm in love with the knurling on the bolt handle?

@leftnoname 3 жыл бұрын

All in all, the Finns made an excellent decision to go with a domestic AK variant. AK was cutting edge technology and cutting edge tactical asset at that time (AR wasn't there and wasn't as refined as today and the battle rifles somehow got replaced by intermediate cartridge weapons in most militaries for good reasons).

@quentinking4351 3 жыл бұрын

The advantage to working night shift is that I can watch Ian's vids right as they publish. Can't wait to see more of this reference collection

@TC-re7nv 3 жыл бұрын

Woah, I stayed up all night on the east coast - this is the earliest I’ve been to one of your uploads. just wanted to say thanks Ian, for everything!

@shrekhanson3758 3 жыл бұрын

Oh boy do I love Sako rifles. Both the 75 and 85 are excellent series.

@barrandilltanathlas1177 3 жыл бұрын

Ian "Man this thing is full of difficult camera angles", points with finger, "Hi i'm Othias, What you need is a patented plastic pokey finger".

@SlavicCelery 3 жыл бұрын

He has used a patented plastic pokey purple hand. I'm guessing he's getting sued for patent infringement.

@Suompel 3 жыл бұрын

I hope you got to take a look at a lot of weapons in the Sako museum. I love to see finnish firearms on your channel!

@cav4353 3 жыл бұрын

First Sako rifle I've seen that i would never want. A little snow and mud in that and it's a club.

@onsesejoo2605 3 жыл бұрын

The way of construction oozes back to 20's, almost Victorian era. Kari Pelo ? He also designed a sub-machine gun that did not go further than few prototypes, between 1949 - 1951.

@SlimRhyno 3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations to Sako! Seriously. Do you have any idea what it takes to create (and then sustain) a profitable enterprise? It's insanely difficult. And it's even more complicated with firearms. I mean, just look at the respective histories of Remington and Colt. They are both widely considered to be historic institutions of gun manufacturing, and even they have just hung on by the skin of their teeth in multiple occasions! But, I digress. Congratulations, again, to everyone involved with keeping Sako afloat for ten decades! And here's to wishing you all at least another century of success! 🍻

@thescatologistcopromancer3936 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Ian snuck into this place

@PitFriend1 3 жыл бұрын

I can see that disassembly lever being a problem in the field. I can see it getting bumped to open and someone not noticing it and firing the rifle, getting a surprise bolt to the face.

@davefellhoelter1343 3 жыл бұрын

I just Love how Gun Dude tears into a "Forgotten Weapon"! No Fear, 100% spot on! Please Never Stop, never Fear!

@k3psu48 3 жыл бұрын

I hope you eventually come across an AL-43 assault rifle somewhere. Would be really cool to see a video of that

@Peiksum 3 жыл бұрын

This is my hometown! Can I get like an autograph or something, or are you gone already , Ian?

@felixchaus 3 жыл бұрын

Nää on kuvattu finnish brutalityn aikaan joskus talvella.

@joearnold6881 3 жыл бұрын

I love whatever that red finish is

@loupiscanis9449 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you , Ian .

@earlyriser8998 3 жыл бұрын

a very interesting 'forgotten weapon'

@harperhellems3648 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like M1 Garand and M1 carbine had a baby.

@chlebowg 3 жыл бұрын

Locking flaps have always been interesting. DP28 and RPD come to immediate mind

@andrewpiltenko9432 3 жыл бұрын

Ian's voice is particularly calming today. This channel is slowly turning into a gun ASMR channel and i can't complain about that.

@markb6811 3 жыл бұрын

Yet another semi-auto that I never knew about! Awesome video as always! Please consider a video about the Czech VZ52/57 series of rifles. I'm surprised they haven't been covered here given the age of this channel and it's vast content.

@jimmywilliamson8540 3 жыл бұрын

Ian does the best job of showing how these things work why are they we’re not likely to ever successfully directly compete with the weapons it ended up being adopted.

@den2k885 3 жыл бұрын

The Pelo rifle would be quite successful in Italy :D

@jamesramirez85 3 жыл бұрын

Un "pelo" costoso ma ne vale la pena

@Mrboombastic266 3 жыл бұрын

@@grrrexky also female genitalia in southern regions lol

@jarkkohaimakainen2378 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mrboombastic266 Hehe. There wasn't something like Google translate/Urban dictionary back then to help in checking what meaning does product's name translate to in other languages.

@ArcturusOTE 3 жыл бұрын

Well the Italian military doesn't use 7.62x54R that much, so I suppose being a civilian gun would be a good choice for the m54

@liszca7578 3 жыл бұрын

awesome sound quality

@deterstruble 3 жыл бұрын

Ian's got his Library voice for this one

@randywatson8347 3 жыл бұрын

Flapperlock precission milled... such a treat.

@TheAde71 3 жыл бұрын

Love the quality of the bolt,some nice engineering that

@Pinned2Five 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like it needs more moving parts that have to work for it to cycle.

@SlavicCelery 3 жыл бұрын

@@kenbrown2808 Should we let the swiss loose, with their designs, clocks, chocolate, and blokes/chaps on the range?

@SlavicCelery 3 жыл бұрын

#togglelock

@SlavicCelery 3 жыл бұрын

@@kenbrown2808 STGW 57 is pretty close to that spec.

@SlavicCelery 3 жыл бұрын

@@kenbrown2808 Yeah look at their spring solution. If you want more gearwork then go with the WW1 French non-hotchkiss MG. Ian has a video on it.

@DeliveryMcGee 3 жыл бұрын

@@kenbrown2808 Surely there is some youtuber who a) has access to a Gatling gun, b) is bored, and c) is clever enough to make it run on springs and gears instead of electric motors or hand cranks. Wind it up, flip the switch to release the brake, and what happens, happens.

@christophercripps7639 3 жыл бұрын

Happy 100th Anniversary SAKO. Guess I missed the vid on the .50" BMG cartridge 100th b-day. Oh, the 0.50" BMG is anything but forgotten.

@88Nyman 2 жыл бұрын

Being finnish, love history and weapons about ww2 and after and had no idea about this gun... thank you Ian to teach me again 😄

@stefanmolnapor910 3 жыл бұрын

What a nice finish it has!

@JerryCrow 3 жыл бұрын

Greetings from Finland, great to see these obscure designs showcased on your channel, you are doing so much more than any gun museum i know. Just a small suggestion; Howabout enabling the youtube membership programme? I mean it's cool to get the icon beside your name if you support the channel. You got the abstract framework on levels etc you could transfer directly. And many people do support on both if one has both.

@wortrihanha5731 3 жыл бұрын

Oh no! Defeated by the metric system! Pretty sure he means mm (millimetersl 12-15 cm (centimetres) is about 5-6 inches, which is a lot more cycling than we see in the video.

@Axemantitan 3 жыл бұрын

Was this filmed at the Sako library, or is Ian practicing for a side gig as a librarian?

@dj1NM3 3 жыл бұрын

I suspect that if the curators looked around at the oposite side of the room to where the previous dismantler was working in, the main recoil spring might be found...

@dbmail545 3 жыл бұрын

I am impressed that gun designers kept coming up with short recoil battle rifles after the Johnson M1941 proved the shortcomings of the system.

@SlavicCelery 3 жыл бұрын

The Johnson rifle wasn't that bad. The LMG however.

@noremorsewoodworking2258 3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps those shortcomings were kept as a military secret? In any case, information from around the world was not quite as readily available as it is today.

@kimmoj2570 3 жыл бұрын

Pre-WW2 there were pervasive fears that gas hole bored into barrel would be starting point of barrel erosion. Untill experience showed it is not. That kept many designers (and authorities behind RFPs) away from gas operated guns. Life support for recoil operated guns even in rifle category.

@daniellewis1789 3 жыл бұрын

While this was built after WWII, it was designed prewar.

@Redmenace96 3 жыл бұрын

He heavy machining and robust components just scream expensive and slow to manufacture. Even with one missing spring, the Finns did a great job preserving a beautiful machine.

@joshuathinker8546 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe because it was so shiny but that was some beautiful engineering. Especially the bolt assembly.

@massimothetrog7111 3 жыл бұрын

that's a beautiful use of a lee magazine. I wish someone made a modern rifle in 7.62x54.

@iljavuorinen1957 3 жыл бұрын

Oh I love the throat R sound in Riihimäki. Commendable effort tho, most wouldnt even try.

@GreatgoatonFire 3 жыл бұрын

The Sako staff threaten Ian with the Groke if he made too much noise?

@lukum55 3 жыл бұрын

Groke is so misunderstood, its just lonely and wants to be friends, it can't help it if anyone within 10 meters of it gets severe frostbite.

@MrVern814 3 жыл бұрын

That Sako is a nice looking rifle.

@stalker4474 3 жыл бұрын

ah yes, M1 SKS

@captaindookey 3 жыл бұрын

The rifle of choice for Sir Pelo

@Dev_Six 3 жыл бұрын

SAKO should produce this rifle as a collectible hunting rifle.

@andersbendsen5931 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Sako. Very interesting 👍🏾

@itsconnorstime 3 жыл бұрын

I hope you get to take a look at Finland’s attempt to make a 7.62x54 MG42.

@thallan 3 жыл бұрын

Yay, wierd semi autos, my favorite!

@scoffvonkiel6881 3 жыл бұрын

Glorious.

@bouncygangsta 3 жыл бұрын

I like the fact that Ian respects my culture by speaking with a low voice.

@MisterOcclusion 3 жыл бұрын

Ten years ahead of its time when invented and ten years obsolete before it was evaluated.

@fabianllano9200 3 жыл бұрын

Oh my God! All those machining parts...

@Abdega 3 жыл бұрын

I wish I could buy it and name it “Señor”

@Diabolo481 3 жыл бұрын

And then put a sort of flash hider on it to make it as loud as possible. Put a bipod that slaps the surface underneath somehow.

@vroomkaboom108 3 жыл бұрын

@@Diabolo481 I scrolled so much to find this comment and it was definetly worth it

@Diabolo481 3 жыл бұрын

@@vroomkaboom108 So did I, friend. So did I.

@quiggs8361 3 жыл бұрын

I say it during every outro and I’ll say it again here…. No…… Thank YOU Ian, for being here and showing us

@TigerxrayLIB 3 жыл бұрын

Great looking rifle

@tobiasfunke6284 3 жыл бұрын

Damn even Ian's making soft-spoken ASMR now, I approve very much!

@LUR1FAX 3 жыл бұрын

Really cool! Visually it looks like a 'hunting' rifle to me, with the short handguard and such.

@FippeFi 3 жыл бұрын

I am very much hoping that this is a series of videos from the reference archive, because there are a quite large amount of obscure weapons there that haven't been shown to the public in over 50 years! I asked around if I could get a permission to visit and photograph some of the more obscure guns, but that sort of fizzled out (understandably) due to having literally no credentials of any kind to speak of. I'm hoping some of the following, if not all will have been shown to Ian (that I know are in the archive): Lahti's intermediate cartridge experiments (heavy SMGs) Lahti's semi-auto rifle that was also shown before the second world war Lahti 'Sampo' MMG Erkki Lilja's select-fire rifle (designed in early 40s, but as far as I know was actually built in 50s - I've only seen a single photo of the gun, and that's from an interview of Lilja) Carl Pelo's quite awful submachinegun. You'll see why it's awful, since I expect they showed it to Ian with the rifle. Additionally, there are quite a few really nice pistols and unique variants of them in the archive as well, which'd be nice to see.

@VarvasNukka 3 жыл бұрын

With all these obscure Finnish guns I hope we get to see the AL-43 soon.

@normanmccollum6082 3 жыл бұрын

Lovely vid, Finland is cool, if you'd like to try an adventurous little read then check out 'Year of the Hare.' If the author's last names seems unpronounceable then you know you've found the book I'm referring to. Had to look it up to remind myself; Arto Paasilinna. But yeah, it really is quite a little adventure and perhaps an interesting little peek into what mid-'70s Finland was like.

@joro5748 3 жыл бұрын

I agree! Did you visit Finland in the 1970´s? I was just a kid at that time, but still, it seems plausible to me that such a story could have happened back then. Hardly nowadays...

@normanmccollum6082 3 жыл бұрын

@@joro5748 I was not alive in the 1970s, I am only in my 30s. Who knows, maybe the story could have happened. My biggest issue with it is that I think it would take a substantial amount of time for a wild hare to trust a human, and that even with (spoiler alert) a broken leg, it would still utterly panic and do its utmost to scamper away from a human... but well, it was likely very stunned from the impact. Could have also suffered some brain damage I guess. So... who knows, perhaps even that bit could be accepted. I'd have to give it another read to be sure, I can definitely say that my first read of it was highly enjoyable, but yeah I'd have to give it another read to be sure that the story is solid and suspends disbelief. Since reading that story in 2012/13 or so, I've become a writer myself with multiple pseudonyms (Norman McCollum being one of them though not one that I have written under), and have self-published several books as well as write commissioned pieces for people on a regular basis. I have been very consistently making in excess of $200 Canadian on a monthly basis for years, and I am very grateful for this blessing. I hope to someday be a full-time writer, but anyways, yeah, amazing book, can't recommend it enough. Quite constant travel, and constantly different events taking place and characters being introduced. Highly enjoyable read, in my experience. Cheers!

@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts 3 жыл бұрын

Shame in the 30s this design would have been viable, however by 54 the other designs available were much more refined

@AM-hf9kk 3 жыл бұрын

That's debatable. The amount of fine machine work and importance of maintaining tolerances in this design would have been hard to justify at any time.