The history of firearms in one rifle.

I was going to ask for a Q&A what was the most converted gun in history, and I think I just have my answer.

@@Pcm979 technically a flintlock rifle was never made into a repeator

@@spartanumismatics8165 I'm counting prototypes, obviously. Or else me posting in this video wouldn't make much sense.

TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!... really it just fell into obsolescence with style... 😂😂.. I'll just let myself out.

Ian will become the weapon we would be reviewing

Forgotten Biomechanics

Seriously tho, think how many people will and have learned and benefited from his work, and how many years his work will continue to serve the good of man. It's amazing to me.

That's why he would be a good Terminator

@@MavvodoHall "Hi guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgotten Weapons dot VR. I'm Ian McCollum XIV and today we're going to be taking a look at the ORIGINAL Ian McCollum. The exterior is pretty typical of existing Ian models, so why don't I go ahead and bring the camera back here so we can take a look inside..."

They ahould add the c&r magazine shotgun

Still waiting for the lee navy straight pull which was made in 1895

@@Zealot_of_Omnissiah no one expected that.

@@guynemer53 no one expected the Spanish Inquisition.

Yessss I love that game

Functional? Probably.....Otherwise, yeah.

Springfield Armory has a trapdoor with a 5-round cartridge holder machined directly into a protrusion on the side of the stock, exactly like a modern sidesaddle shotshell holder.

@@moosemaimer that's not exactly a 5 round capacity but still really flippin kewl...

the trapdoor was a modified muzzleloader in the first place lots of people asked why dont you just buy a bunch of winchesters

@@gregeoryl I mean converting it from muzzleloader to breechloader made sense, but adding a tube magazine seems like you took a car from the 1910s, upgraded it to 1950s standards and now are trying to make it work like it was designed for the 21st century, at first it makes sense, but at some point you just have to drop it entirely.

Now it only needs a gas system like on the Huot automatic, next level achieved

and the cost of converting the existing rifles as well

/her Just joking.

Him

I need that as my new ringtone.

Ian just watched 90 Day Fiance and did his best Rose.

It was the truth. It was the same thing that happened in European countries, trial after trial where there were dozens of Meh firearms tested and none adopted.

@@948320z I know a few people who in my contact list who would get that ring tone...

Ongoing trials... Nya, Meh.... nostesnsical accuracy.

Hmm I doubt that was there intention, its equally as unrealistc that everyone has a prototype rifle, but it does wrap in nicely

@@CAMSLAYER13 the Mauser ingame Is a schnellfeuer, i think they intentionally added in some prototypes in fear of the standard weapon being too boring, plus, the buffalo rifle itself was already a 1 round weapon. I think they did it this way for that reason, to avoid monotony in weaponry

@@Mr_Blonde-ru9kd at the end of the day it's a game and I concede messing around with things that only existed in a limited capacity is fun.

@@CAMSLAYER13, "it is equally unrealistic that everyone has a prototype weapon." They may have used a real life prototype weapon as the basis for an in game weapon. In game it is not a prototype weapon.

I chalked it up to him grabbing a couple rounds at a time and keeping them in his hand

Nah too expensive.

Still a single shot with a 4 step loading process, not to mention a hard rifle to get a cheek weld on. ...of course it could be chambered in smokeless cartridges, but given how isolationist America was at that time, that probably means we'd have skipped the Krag, keeping the rolling block until about 1903.

they should have adopted the Winchester.

@@GunFunZS of course they should have, but due to cost they never would have. As Ian and Karl said, they should have issued 1876s in 40-60 or 45-75 to enlisted personnel, and Henry's or '73s to the officers and NCOs. Such a squad would be well equipped in 300 yard and closer combat. They would compare favorably to WWI infantry units, and compare decently to even a WWII era squad in small unit firepower.

@@jacobmccandles1767 I thought about this a bit. In practice post-war American army was tiny. They needn't have acted as though anything they adopt must be adopted for the whole potential army versus adopted for the active army. they always had a sunk cost fallacy in updating their outdated arms as though they would have to do that same update for an army conscripted from the entire populace. Really they were fighting small frontier skirmishes and really only needed be armed for those and it probably would have been les s net resources to equip so as to win. They could have bought expensive guns. And if you think about a lever gun and something like 45 Colt versus single shots in 4570, new materials and logistical burden of transporting ammo would be not quite half per number of shots. I suppose it's kind of analogous of switching from 308 to 223. A given soldier or a given wagon to carry way more 45 Colt ammunition than they could carry 4570. The same amount of powder , brass and fulminate would finish somewhere around double the amount of firepower. That does not strike me as an increase in the logistical burden. of mercury

I don’t know why but I read that like Ryo From Senmue

Whoa, this is cool

Much like the guns of battlefield one the guns in red dead were seemingly classics but more often than not based upon unique prototype weapons

Appalachian Exploration Actually none of them were particularly obscure besides the LeMat, Evans, and Blunderbuss.

This is one of the minor things that annoyed me about red dead one, how is it real. Though red dead clearly didnt have anything under the barrel but it's an old game and forgiveable that in testing they realized single shots weren't so fun, especially on console.

They did it right then as well, John held the other four cartridges in his hand, and reloaded really quickly, iirc.

Lol, snort.

My guess is it was done by the 10 yr old son of the original collector who just had to see how it worked. Nearest tools were a hammer and screwdriver.

What can he say? It's probably right in the trial reports under "Observations"

My thoughts entirely. It would make things much more clear.

Hmm yes, it surely would have been neat to see the system in action.. But somehow I doubt dummy cartridge production was even a thing back in that time period, so I guess Ian didn't have access to any to show us.

@@tjthompson3270 they do make .45-70 snap caps. But Ian needs a couple dummy cartridges in all calibers ever.

How many people carry .45-70 snap caps around? I'm certain Ian doesn't have room for a bag of assorted snap caps in a hundred different calibers to haul with him on trips.

@@williamcousins3026 It's a pretty simple system, there's not much to demonstrate.

To expand on your first sentence, but diverge: The army also had a demonstrated love of preserving the manual of arms. More crucially, the doctrine of fire discipline was a top priority. A soldier was supposed to fire when ordered to; the ability to fire rapidly was reserved for crucial moments. An ammo supply is never infinite. The magazine cut-off is great for this, of course. Once the magazine is loaded before an engagement, the action of firing is the same as the single shot he's already trained for. When repeating fire was needed, the only difference is omitting the step of loading the round; opening the trapdoor and thumbing the round into the barrel was the same. Not as rapid as a Winchester, but the army valued a heavier round more than rapid fire; the 1886 model able to handle that round wasn't around when this 1881 conversion was made. As for Custer - well, the end would have been the same, but the score less lopsided.

Yeah. They don't get that big when they're tube fed. Corn fed are fatter.

Damn, you beat me to it

I remember hearing talk of holding extra cartridges between your fingers or in your teeth, but just for standard breech-loading. Haven't gotten to find the actual instructions yet. Though, people testing this say it works. Also, I wish this was the RDR1 Springfield. That would be awesome.

Honestly my most used rifle in the whole game. It may not be quick but it puts enemies down with one shot.

This would be so freaking cool tbh we should spam crytec until it happens

That would really be badass

Probably mistake

I keep telling myself that there have to be some anti-gun "karen" types subscribed.. or like you said just petty trolls. I called someone out on a previous video that commented "yay first dislike" and I asked them to please stop. That's all I said. Another troll told me -I- was annoying. There really are some bone headed people walking this planet.

@@mattfleming86 well, at 17000 views it is really plausible that someone watching from the phone hit the dislike accidentally

I'm interested too. Given that videos are basicaly flawless, i guess these are just gunhaters.

@@TheCokoll it is literally 8 people over tens of thousands of views: mistakes happen xD don't look for gun hater where there aren't

Points for working in an obscure reference. Double points for an obscure reference with the word 'explosion'. :D

He'll yeah brother

He was keeping the best design for himself

Yes! It's extremely important to work from the mindset of the period when weighing how decisions were made. Historians use the term "presentism" to warn against the error of missing this point. Fire discipline was of the highest priority. The army would be quite happy with a magazine cut-off, with rapid fire reserved for crucial moments. And after all, it would have to be reserved, *any* tube fed repeater is relatively slow to reload. A Winchester-style carbine would rapid-fire more quickly, but take just as long to reload.