Polish and German Police Silenced CZ-27 Pistols

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Жыл бұрын

This video is being reposted, because I deleted it proactively to avoid getting a KZfaq strike for showing the attachment of a silencer.
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Today we are looking at two suppressed CZ-27 pistols, one Polish and one German. The Polish one was issued by the Ministry of Public Security, an agency which only existed from 1945 until 1954. It uses an aluminum suppressor with 5 baffles and 5 rubber wipes, threaded onto an extended barrel. It is clearly not intended for precise shooting, as the sights do not clear the top of the suppressor!
The German pattern is substantially different. It was used by the Gestapo during the Nazi regime, and also by West German security services after World War Two. The suppressor is a non-disassemblable unit with a series of sheet metal baffles, and attached to a belled expended barrel. The rear of the suppressor has a circle of six flexible flanges that snap over the belled muzzle, and a threaded section which screws down over them to lock the unit in place. This suppressor also blocks the pistol's sights, and so it was made with a set of sights on the body of the suppressor tube.
Thanks to the anonymous collector who provided me access to these two pistols!
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@davidgreen40 Жыл бұрын

“… and you can just gently…” < tugs > < tugs harder > < pop > < Ian’s heart skips a beat >

@bazzathegreat3517 Жыл бұрын

I would call the German attachment method a collet style. It is how routers hold their bits. Also, used in machining chucks. It is a very secure attachment method.

@michelguevara151 Жыл бұрын

and self centering.

@saltwater8915 Жыл бұрын

and i suspect would mean that the sights (on the suppressor) are better than a 'mere suggestion'

@ForgottenWeapons Жыл бұрын

Yup, collet is the proper term. I couldn’t think of it at the time.

@1982rrose Жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons words, ugh

@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401 Жыл бұрын

Previously video about CZ27 Silencer

@Ghost_Of_SAS Жыл бұрын

You know you live in a pretty chill nation when there's a Ministry of Public Security that needs suppressed pistols.

@FishFind3000 Жыл бұрын

Well you don’t wanna be scaring the public when your policing them.

@me.ne.frego. Жыл бұрын

In my country in the 1970's, the Ministry of Interior was key in the smuggling of Sten and Sterling SMGs, some supressed, for shady purposes. The Sterlings ended up being issued to Navy and maybe Army commandos.

@terry7907 Жыл бұрын

Probably to avoid the noise pollution.

@beetooex Жыл бұрын

@@terry7907 Now that sounds like the Germans

@totalitaer. Жыл бұрын

@@FishFind3000 This is what the german minister of the interior said in 2015, when refusing to answer a question: "Ein Teil dieser Antworten würde Bevölkerung verunsichern" "Part of these answers would unsettle the population" kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rs2drNZmsJe5nnU.html

@jacobburbank7943 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for being brave and artistically independent enough to not let KZfaq limit your hard-worked content. We all appreciate everything you do, and no other channel or combination of channels can take your place. Best of luck and well-wishes from a fan!

@markfergerson2145 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, glad I got to see this before KZfaq takes it down and puts a hit out on Ian...

@oktayyildirim2911 Жыл бұрын

Didn't KZfaq walk back the suppressor thing, which is why this is being reposted?

@mellusk9194 Жыл бұрын

It almost feels like he's been trolling them as of late 🙂

@kamilszadkowski8864 Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the German way of solving issues aka 'why do something the simple way if the complicated one works too".

@bobhill3941 Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised their handgun suppressors didn't use the cones like their rifle ones.

@chartreux1532 Жыл бұрын

German here, can confirm. That both has upsides and downsides which usually we only find out after it has already been created. The funniest ones are 1990s and 2000s BMW, Audi and Mercedes-Benz Contraptions in Car Interieurs. I remember the most complicated and unnecessarily über-mechanical Cupholder Contraption in a BMW. I don't remember the exact Model from the Top of my Head, but basically youd push a Button and 2 Cupholders would "materialise" in a way you'd expect from a Science Fiction Movie Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps

@TheRedRaven_ Жыл бұрын

Kind of like BMW drivers, why use the blinker when you can simply cut someone off 😂

@kamilszadkowski8864 Жыл бұрын

@@chartreux1532 Yeah, I encountered German over-engineering back when I was working in polygraphy (printing). Now, don't get me wrong, German industrial printers are easily the best in the world, the absolute top of the top. However, they also seem to be world leaders in user-unfriendly design. Like, let's say a stylus attached near the main printing roller seems to be designed specifically to detach while cleaning in such a way as to fall down to the very bottom of the printer. Now, say goodbye to those hours you are going to lose disassembling the entire printer to get it out. Cheers from Łódź in Central Poland,

@federicovago8884 Жыл бұрын

A simple solution?!? Thats for schoolgirls! Here is a solution with some chest hair!

@alun7006 Жыл бұрын

Fascinating stuff. Always interesting how neighbouring solutions to the same problem can be so different.

@FishFind3000 Жыл бұрын

It’s like that one saying. Same same, but different.

@ShootAUT Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: *Both* pictures in the english Wikipedia article about the CZ vz. 27 (7.65 Browning/.32 ACP) actually show vz. 24 pistols (.380 ACP). They often get mixed up due to their similar looks, even though they've got one very significant distinctive feature that lets you tell them apart - the grooves for gripping the slide. vz. 27: vertical grooves vz. 24: slanted grooves I consider the CZ 27 an "I'll get one once I've got everything I _really_ want" collectors item. But an original pre-war pistol would be really nice to have, even now. I already got a pre-war magazine, though. Someone auctioned off a holster with a "CZ 24 magazine".

@ShootAUT Жыл бұрын

@@bimmypedersen8412 I've already been looking for a couple of years now. Haven't come across even a single pre-war CZ 27. Otherwise, I'd have bought it immediately if the price was right. Because yes, prices only go up. I could sell my CZ 75 for 5x of what I paid for it, my Mauser went up 50%, and I paid half of what it goes for now for the CZ 52. And that's a summary of just the past 4 years. A G3 in '44/'45? You mean the Gerät 06 or another early prototype? No way.

@SirWolfCZ Жыл бұрын

Did you correct the mistake? Did you put the right picture in?

@ShootAUT Жыл бұрын

@@SirWolfCZ No. I'm Austrian, and the German articles have the right pictures. Good enough for me. 😁

@KuruGDI Жыл бұрын

2:00 Note the "WaA 16" stamp above the grip panel with stands for "Waffenamt". The _Waffenamt_ "was the German Army Weapons Agency. It was the centre for research and development of the Weimar Republic and later the Third Reich for weapons, ammunition and army equipment to the German Reichswehr and then Wehrmacht." (from Wikipedia)

@bobhill3941 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I was wondering about that.

@MrKotBonifacy Жыл бұрын

@@bobhill3941 Also, in case you're interested - on that "Polish" CZ you can see (@ 1:25) "MBP" inside the Soviet star in the upper part of the grip panel - which stands for Ministerstwo Bezpieczeństwa Publicznego, Polish for Ministry of Public Security (mentioned by Ian at the beginning of the video).

@bobhill3941 Жыл бұрын

@@MrKotBonifacy Very cool, thanks

@ramonandrajo6348 Жыл бұрын

Wikipedia doesn't count, sheep. XD

@MrKotBonifacy Жыл бұрын

@@ramonandrajo6348 ...says who? "(Die) Waffen" is German for "weapons" or "weaponry" ("die Waffen" is plural, "eine Waffe" is singular). "(Einen) Amt" is German for "office" or "agency". Thus "(das) Waffenamt" means "weapon agency" - right? And then a short "ready-made" quote from some source, just to give a SHORT explanation "what was this agency about" - and that's it. And then some besserwisser chimes in, saying "Wiki sucks". PS: I might got those German articles bit wrong, I don't really speak German, just limited exposure to it and some education really long time ago - just in case if you'd like to pick on them.

@handpaper6871 Жыл бұрын

Yesterday, removing and attaching a 50-round magazine; today, not one but two suppressors. YT is being trolled, hard.

@meisenhut31 Жыл бұрын

A collet mounted suppressor. Never would've thought of that

@SHOT_GUNNER Жыл бұрын

What an awesome set of covert pistols. Gotta love the super secret stuff.

@me.ne.frego. Жыл бұрын

It would be awesome to know the details about the operations made with these special pistols by so many organizations.

@stshort500 Жыл бұрын

I'm sure you already know this, but the German CZ27 uses a collet similar to a Bridgeport mill, or a lathe.

@shawnr771 Жыл бұрын

Very cool. Thanks for showing the inside of the suppresor.

@tobiash4727 Жыл бұрын

I almost suspect Ian is testing the exact YT ban/strike policy today...

@bobhill3941 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting video Ian, I always learn something. Seeing how that suppressor threads on confirms to me that all the fps games I played where you could choose a suppressor or not, that those were all right-hand thread!

@ColonelRimfire Жыл бұрын

Well it depends, most are standard thread,!

@bobhill3941 Жыл бұрын

@@ColonelRimfire Interesting, that makes sense, thanks.

@kriseckhardt5148 Жыл бұрын

The German suppressor is held on to the barrel with a "collet" instead of a "flower petal-y thing"! Awesome video as usual sir!

@lancerevell5979 Жыл бұрын

Hey, if Ian says it, "flower-petally-thing" is now an official firearm term! 👍

@mikehipperson Жыл бұрын

You shouldn't diss Gun Jesus!

@maximilianmustermann5763 Жыл бұрын

@@lancerevell5979 The official German term was actually "Blumenblütenblattiges Ding" so Ian is 100% correct! 😉

@rozelnox Жыл бұрын

I watch Ian videos twice: one for knowledge collection, one for ASMR to fall asleep.

@aaa72317 Жыл бұрын

That silencer....any data on the difference in effectiveness between these two silencers? I can't imagine being significant enough to justify such a design.

@lwrii1912 Жыл бұрын

Nice video. I'm glad you're doing things like suppressor and full auto videos, even though we know that the "powers that be" hate them so much. I am and will continue to be a faithful viewer of your content, it is well worth my time.

@LD-Orbs Жыл бұрын

Ian doesn't like being pushed around much. I like his attitude.

@vectrex28 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the Czech Secret Service used these as well. My great grandfather was in Czech intelligence. He was imprisoned by both the Nazi and Commie scum because of that. Apparently he still did some stuff during communist rule because my grandma told me that the British Embassy sent flowers at his funeral. Really wish I could've met him. Thanks for the video

@ramonandrajo6348 Жыл бұрын

Germany were the good guys of World War II; try again, sheep. XD

@DevinMoorhead Жыл бұрын

Rare Tuesday video. Thanks Ian

@andydixon6873 Жыл бұрын

I'm so proud of you for not giving in to KZfaq and still showing us how to remove and install the suppressor. Good on you.

@maximilianmustermann5763 Жыл бұрын

Does KZfaq actually ban people for installing suppressors in videos? They're even worse than the German government...

@odoakerx5260 Жыл бұрын

Uh, magic? I just recently read a discussion about special ammo for this gun and now you are making a video about it :) Cool! I am also waiting for the P-83 with an integral silencer and a modified mechanism.

@drmaudio Жыл бұрын

Looks like a machinist designed that collet attachment system. "It works on my mill, it will work on a pistol."

@garetz2011 Жыл бұрын

I spent a lot of time dealing with these things in the 80s and 90s. Left threads are good to avoid suppressor unscrewing itself due to barrel torque (when the bullet rotates to the right it forces the barrel to the left). Good to know someone solved the problem like me, I feel less stupid. The best way I tested was the vaime slanted flat washer baffle, which is the basis for almost all modern suppressors.

@brogeoti Жыл бұрын

I too noticed the "WaA 16" Waffenamt marking on the Polish State Police pistol at the 2:00 mark in the video that you didn't mention when you were showing the marks on each pistol at the end. Very informative! Thanks for sharing as always, Ian!

@lhkraut Жыл бұрын

I would love to see Paul Harrell and Ian McCollum do a video together. The combined knowledge of these two men, would probably break the internet!

@parrotraiser6541 Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to hear firing comparisons between guns with suppressors and without.

@Seelenschmiede Жыл бұрын

And between these two suppressors

@gamersbilingue8653 Жыл бұрын

It's .32 so it's subsonic you'll only hear the guns action loudly. The shot itself will sound like a paintball gun

@Jreb1865 Жыл бұрын

@@gamersbilingue8653 American ammo usually is, while European ammo usually isn't...

@gamersbilingue8653 Жыл бұрын

@@Jreb1865 yup and I've had some issues with american .32 in European guns because their 32 (7.65) has higher pressure. I recommend american .32 for plinking but for defense def try to find higher pressure. These vz27s can stovepipe with american .32 acp ammo

@Jreb1865 Жыл бұрын

@@gamersbilingue8653 Very true... Pressure standards for US made ammo are different. I've had the same thing happen... I've got a stainless Beretta Tomcat and it fires most anything..

@spondulixtanstaafl7887 Жыл бұрын

Thanks again for the great content, very informative.

@sqeeye3102 Жыл бұрын

It is unbelievable to me that KZfaq would force you to delete a video showing how a historically relevant object threads onto another historically relevant object. Words and knowledge should be feared and I'm glad we can retroactively decide to cull entire channels based on new rules made up by committee. Archive everything, trust no company for any reason.

@sqeeye3102 Жыл бұрын

Just gonna reply to myself here for the benefit of others: It would be a **shame** if someone looked up what KZfaq DL was and then suddenly had the ability to grab videos, playlists, entire channel histories, and even livestreams if they wanted. Maybe the internet goes out for a while... or the rules are change forever. Who knows?

@stumpythedwarf8712 Жыл бұрын

Super cool Ian, thanks as always.

@Coltbreath Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the silencer break down! 👍

@kevinoliver3083 9 ай бұрын

The silenced vz.27 features in several Jack Higgins' books, including "The Eagle Has Landed". Higgins refers to it as a "silenced Mauser". Presumably as Josef Nickl developed the original design while working for Mauser.

@sr20ser. Жыл бұрын

The term for the "petal" piece is a "collet."

@1982rrose Жыл бұрын

An audio comparison of old teck vs todays would be interesting.

@kiwi_comanche Жыл бұрын

I have an old can on one of my ARs that attaches in much the same way as the collet design. No markings on it which is a pain in the ass, but for simplicity it's handy to just slot it over the A2 birdcage and tighten it down.

@woodrowcall3158 Жыл бұрын

………

@ja0298 Жыл бұрын

It’s probably a Gemtech halo but if it doesn’t have any marking like name or SN that’s a big deal.

@byosvaldo794 Жыл бұрын

congratulations, amazing video, very didactic and educational about gun technology in that times in URSS Varsaw pact countries, well done

@jakobduke2949 Жыл бұрын

I’ve had a cz-27 for years and didn’t know there were suppressed versions

@brasstard7.627 Жыл бұрын

There is also a 22lr version

@AutomaticHandguns Жыл бұрын

Can’t be secret if you’re not quiet about your business.

@matsgustavsson665 Жыл бұрын

Nice video as usual. How about one on the suppressed S & W model 39 . Suppressed guns are always interesting.

@garymessina1609 Жыл бұрын

Great video thanks

@Alfiy_Wolf Жыл бұрын

Stealth police - they use to shoot anyone who made too much noise at the original plant fitness

@OkaNieba Жыл бұрын

Thats why i wathc this channel. Cool and intersting guns and their history

@fabianbaar6464 Жыл бұрын

Greetings from Prague to Gun Jesus

@henrygoboy8621 Жыл бұрын

Cz def has an interesting history. Under appreciated in the US for some strange reason. Thanks Ian.

@andrewweitzman4006 Жыл бұрын

I get the nasty feeling that sights weren't necessary on the Ministry of Public Security suppressed pistols because the range was usually "back of the running dog class traitor's skull".

@book5ter Жыл бұрын

-The german pistol doesn't have "Waffenamt" on it,- Edit: It does have the Waffenamt stamp on it, i just didn't notice at first. The writing says: "Böhmische Waffenfabrik A. G. in Prag", which translates to: 'bohemian weapons factory A. G. in Prague'. AG either meaning Aktiengesellschaft (stock corporation), or Arbeitsgruppe (project group). The former seems more likely.

@book5ter Жыл бұрын

@@pointdironie5832 You are correct sir. On the first look i just took it for wear, and i thought Ian misstranslated. Should have known better, really ;p

@tomahawk1911 Жыл бұрын

Good video, Ian. Thanks. Caliber roll mark on the slide read 7.65, same as American 32 ACP semi rimmed case? Love the idea of no maintenance, disposable suppressor. Having cleaned a couple different modern types with a complex, differing number of baffles, not my favorite thing. A couple spare cans would be nice. Was that Polish models’ receiver cracked on the left side?

@Seelenschmiede Жыл бұрын

Looked a lot like a crack with a sliver missing

@yourlocaltoad5102 Жыл бұрын

It’s funny that the „with just a few minor changes“ after WW2 at 1:25 applies to both the pistol and the German secret police’s staffing

@MadDawg-bp5wt Жыл бұрын

I wonder how much the suppressors will affect velocity and energy. Especially I would wonder about those rubber wipes that I think would provide significant resistance to the bullet.

@garethfergusson9538 Жыл бұрын

Loving the dig at KZfaq!

@brookford1206 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting this Ian even though it isn't YT friendly. History and information can not be censored

@Seelenschmiede Жыл бұрын

He even was bold enough to show us how a thread is used! 🤯😱😭 by YT new laws, we all will die now because we saw it...

@BeingFireRetardant Жыл бұрын

He did this video on purpose, specifically to flip the bird. I love it.

@MsJoao101 Жыл бұрын

Two suppressors at once, i hope Ian doesn't get in trouble...

@alexhuffman3699 Жыл бұрын

I recall ian already making this video, is this just a re-uploaded for some weird youtube reason?

@davidbowman2716 Жыл бұрын

Dear Ian. I hope you don't get in trouble with YT for the suppressor issue. Best regards. 😋

@ezzeymusic8141 Жыл бұрын

1:56 The MBP on the grip is short for "Ministerstwo Bezpieczeństwa Publicznego" which is Ministry of Public Security

@killsode4760 Жыл бұрын

Greetings from Australia Ian!

@KJ4RMZ Жыл бұрын

Very cool systems.

@titus3749 Жыл бұрын

My great grandfather had one of these in the German gustapo

@Kevin-mx1vi Жыл бұрын

I guess his children learned to talk real quick ? 😁

@bobhill3941 Жыл бұрын

Very cool, is he still alive?

@polskagurom12345 Жыл бұрын

@@bobhill3941 hope not

@Clintwoodz Жыл бұрын

Come to think of it, all compact cleaning rods should be reverse threaded because of the rifling of barrel if you're pushing rods through from chamber end, it will unwind itself!

@Ruadher Жыл бұрын

You should check out its predecesor, the CZ 24 pistol, interesting liitke piece with rotating barrel in 9mm Browning.

@obviousgreyman Жыл бұрын

Suppressed handguns are just undeniably cool.

@WalterBurton Жыл бұрын

Oppressor suppressor. It was right there the whole time.

@etechjd8260 Жыл бұрын

good as usual

@DanielEhlmann Жыл бұрын

Here in Germany, they're very strict about loud noises on Sundays. That must be why these were invented.

@jimlasswell4491 Жыл бұрын

Curious about the broken frame on the Polish example.

@Im-the-greatest Жыл бұрын

That's some balls putting irons on the suppressor

@djdrack4681 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting video as usual. Keep up the great work. *fingers crossed the video naz-is (cough YT cough) don't censor due to you showing suppressor parts/putting it on

@kennethstaszak9990 Жыл бұрын

That is supposed to have been addressed and corrected by screwtube. We'll see how long that lasts.

@wormyboot Жыл бұрын

I wish I was watching this on Utreon but it's not available there. This happens often to me.

@illegalclown Жыл бұрын

In before KZfaq takes down this channel for teaching me how to put a broken suppressor on a curio gun.

@feudist Жыл бұрын

Vasily Blohkin would have appreciated one of these.

@Alfiy_Wolf Жыл бұрын

The police can’t outsmart me, but I can’t outsmart bullet

@mikepj67 Жыл бұрын

Nice 👍

@somberyu Жыл бұрын

"This video is being reposted, because I deleted it proactively to avoid getting a KZfaq strike for showing the attachment of a silencer." Quite hilarious that you can show unthreading and removing it though

@akatripclaymore.9679 Жыл бұрын

My Son ended up with mine. It wasn't silenced but was a transition piece ( the grip's had CZ on the brown grip's) but also had Waffenampt stamps all over it.

@perapan7377 9 ай бұрын

My grandfather had one of those. It's produced during Nazi occupation. That's why it had those stamps. It was relatively common small gun, ugly as hell. Bakelit grips were chip of at the bottom.

@964cuplove Жыл бұрын

The German device clamps on like a collet on a small hobby style milling Maschine holds the milling bits or drills.

@AllAboutSurvival Жыл бұрын

It’s kinda you have that Polish and German. What a collection

@WH250398 Жыл бұрын

That's the most German suppressor I've ever seen.

@maximilianmustermann5763 Жыл бұрын

It's what happens when somebody up the chain decides that they need perfectly zeroed sights on a suppressor and nobody ever asks the question: do we really need sights? Can't we make this 100% simpler, cheaper and smaller without the damn sights? Typical problem with government contracts.

@tonydeaton1967 Жыл бұрын

At arm's length, where these pistols are designed to be used primarily, sights aren't even needed. Would've been nice to have seen them fired.

@TallifTallonbrook Жыл бұрын

The German way to attach reminds me of how CNC collets attach the tools. By doing this I bet the sites are more accurate than you think.

@dmaxm2498 Жыл бұрын

That suppressor attaches like a chuck on a drill bit. Haven’t seen that before

@tactical-dad Жыл бұрын

Very interesting

@MoldyStir-Fry Жыл бұрын

Sneaky toobs always make me happy.

@jwdickinson643 Жыл бұрын

what was the style & name of suppressor used for Bond’s PPK in Dr. No?

@somerandomdudeable Жыл бұрын

There's something aesthetically pleasing about suppressed pistols

@trogdor8764 Жыл бұрын

Ian: I'm going to reupload my video to avoid a strike for showing the attachment of a suppressor. Also Ian: 5:08

@leonida-alexandrudiaconu8660 Жыл бұрын

I can imagine a german agent in the dark trying to mount the damn thing and get his cover blown when the “target” hears all the swearing. And while getting beaten to death, wishing for a simple treaded one 😂

@maximilianmustermann5763 Жыл бұрын

I don't think mounting is that much of a problem. It's just way too big and bulky compared to the simple Polish solution. And it was probably five times as expensive to make.

@oscargustavoarcosruiz8793 Жыл бұрын

I knew I had seen this before!

@andrzejwitowiak1353 Жыл бұрын

I feel suppressed finding out about these pistols ;)

@AlexN2022 Жыл бұрын

why do suppressors use left hand thread? Surely they don't expect the passing bullet to impart any spin on the suppressor body?

@ForgottenWeapons Жыл бұрын

Generally, so the spin of the bullet will tend to tighten the suppressor instead of loosen it.

@AlexN2022 Жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons I can see how that would work back when suppressors used wipes, but today the bullet generally isn't supposed to be touching the baffles?

@lorna7338 Жыл бұрын

KZfaq is the ultimate gun silencer.

@waliza001 Жыл бұрын

Barrel is not exteneded. CZ27 had barrel protruding from the slide

@Pheonixco Жыл бұрын

Is Ian in a kitchen taking these apart? Its like he's giving us a detail on these using wine corks, before the crew takes them out on a undercover op.

@rodofiron100 Жыл бұрын

Makes me want to get my cz 70 a suppressor.

@DUYT09 Жыл бұрын

Somehow grandmas paisley table cloth adds to this

@828enigma6 Жыл бұрын

Does anyone know anything about a nickel plated 9mm Makarov with an extended threaded barrel? Its supposed to have been issued by the Russian Baltic Fleet.