Jatimatic: Finland's Least Successful PDW

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The Jatimatic was a stockless PDW designed by Jari Timari, who co-owned Tampereen Asepaja Oy, a firearms company in Tampere Finland. The firm was founded in the early 1920s, making .22 biathlon rifles, sporterizing military surplus, and other gunsmithing work. In the late 70s he got the idea for a compact 9mm PDW with some unique climb-reducing features, and in 1980 it was introduced as the Jatimatic (JAli TImari). Only about 400 were made, as it was not adopted or purchased in large quantities by anyone (although it was tested by many, including the Finnish Border Guards).
The Jatimatic was made without a stock, instead using a shooting sling for stabilization. It used standard Swedish K magazines, and has a distinctly off-angle appearance. This was done to counteract muzzle climb, as the line of the barrel points directly back into the shooter's hand. It also has an interesting safety built into the folding front grip - if the grip is closed, the bolt is locked in place.
Production ended in the late 1980s after "permit irregularities" and a robbery of a bunch of Jatimatics form the company premises. The rights to the design were sold to a new company called Golden Gun in 1994, and they attempted to reintroduce it as the GG-95 with a few improvements, but it was a rather complete flop. Its best achievement was getting into several major movies, including Cobra and Red Dawn.
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@joaoie
@joaoie 2 жыл бұрын
I was able to hold one as a kid, my godfather (very much not Finnish) owned one and it was the first firearm I touched. Because of that, up until this video I had no idea how rare it is.
@Glurgi
@Glurgi 2 жыл бұрын
I think @notamaeiole also met your father and his gun ;) Joking of course, although it would be hilarious if that was the case :D
@andrewsuryali8540
@andrewsuryali8540 2 жыл бұрын
Godfather, eh?
@benjaminhenegar291
@benjaminhenegar291 2 жыл бұрын
So cool
@ninus17
@ninus17 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewsuryali8540 he gave him an offer he couldn't refuse
@ChrisC-oy9qp
@ChrisC-oy9qp Жыл бұрын
Must have been one of the guns that went 'missing' 🤭
@notamaeiole
@notamaeiole 2 жыл бұрын
Also one thing Jatimatic was famous (or infamous) here in Finland was a series of post office robberies back in early 90's. I remember being around 7 or 8 years old when i saw the local post office being robbed and i still remember the silhuette of Jatimatic that 2nd one of the robbers carried
@paskaalisaapaskaa5354
@paskaalisaapaskaa5354 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it was one of those that got stolen from the factory. I might be incorrect, but i do remember seeing a jatimatic in midst of confiscated firearms that were found while police raided biker gang's club house.
@severivuorenoja5282
@severivuorenoja5282 2 жыл бұрын
@@paskaalisaapaskaa5354 There totally was a photo like that published some years back, in Alibi magazine at least I think? Considering the overall scarcity of the gun, that gun pretty much has to be one of those stolen ones.
@sjyfgbei4056
@sjyfgbei4056 2 жыл бұрын
There was also rumours about illegal workshop at Helsinki area that manufactured these guns.
@KapitanVladimirArsenyev
@KapitanVladimirArsenyev 2 жыл бұрын
Why post office though.. not bank?
@JG54206
@JG54206 2 жыл бұрын
What exactly were they robbing the post office for?
@mac76239
@mac76239 2 жыл бұрын
Dude the Cobra gun! Who remembers that movie!? Lol. It had that big ass, retro red Lazer on it too😂
@krissteel4074
@krissteel4074 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it was some kind of laser sight about the full length of the gun, probably weighed about as much too. I believe there was one in Red Dawn (80's version) in the trainyard shoot out- sans laser
@mac76239
@mac76239 2 жыл бұрын
@@krissteel4074 yup I think you're right. Damn I miss the 80s LOL
@XtreeM_FaiL
@XtreeM_FaiL 2 жыл бұрын
Most used gun in Tervis.
@razieldrakis
@razieldrakis 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, that's the one.
@SnoopReddogg
@SnoopReddogg 2 жыл бұрын
That laser sight wasn't retro when the movie came out.
@rickdollings7382
@rickdollings7382 2 жыл бұрын
Having a sling attachment point on what is essentially the disassembly lever seems like a recipe for a bad time.
@meatpuppet5036
@meatpuppet5036 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@alaric_
@alaric_ 2 жыл бұрын
In my understanding, that was the biggest flaw with it for governments. Too big to holster so sling is required in practical use, but that almost quarantees that it will disassemble itself sooner rather then later. For me it's weird how a gun designer who obviously knew his job, didn't come up with anything else to prevent that from happening. Some kind of simple two sided spring catch required to be pressed would have prevented any of the problems...
@blackwoodsecurity531
@blackwoodsecurity531 2 жыл бұрын
@@alaric_ or just run the sling through a hole in the grip.
@johncox2865
@johncox2865 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. One wrong move and the thing disassembles it’s itself.
@weeveferrelaine6973
@weeveferrelaine6973 2 жыл бұрын
@@johncox2865 I thought that at first too, but then the sling would be pulling on the mount. Unless the gun is upside down and facing you, pulling would try and close the level, not open it up- the direction of force is wrong for normal use of the gun to disassemble itself. Though, who wants to take that risk, I guess? Some freak accidents and stuff does happen sometimes
@Payne427
@Payne427 2 жыл бұрын
Just by looking at it. I would've never guessed Finland. It looks like it dropped right out of South Africa
@KingBattlon
@KingBattlon 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say South Africa, they always have funky designs.
@Payne427
@Payne427 2 жыл бұрын
@@KingBattlon that's actually what I meant to put in. Gotta love auto correct.
@KingBattlon
@KingBattlon 2 жыл бұрын
@@Payne427 Gotch gotcha. Really does look like it belongs alongside the Vektor, Neopup, and BXP.
@Taistelukalkkuna
@Taistelukalkkuna 2 жыл бұрын
@@nickaschenbecker9882 It also appears in original Red Dawn. As PM-63 replacement.
@lysanderxiii2335
@lysanderxiii2335 2 жыл бұрын
There were actually two versions of the second variety Jati-matics (the type with the straight inclined receiver top), both of which were tested by the US Army in 1990. Both did come with a detachable stock but one had a rotating lever-type selector similar to an M16 in addition to the foregrip safety. According to the Army report, the manufacturer stated the change was to: "...to improve user confidence in the weapon. Initial feedback to the manufacturer showed that some less experienced users did not feel comfortable with the 2-stage pressure sensitive trigger. Thus, a weapon was developed to manually switch between the two modes of fire." All in all the Army found the Jati-matic was reasonably easy to control, either one or two handed, light, and probably cheap/easy to make. On the down side they found the sights lacking and the stock difficult to affix and detach, and when attached bulky. AD B150821 - Technical Report ARCCD-TR-90005, "Evaluation of the 'JATI-MATIC' 9 mm SMG," Dec 1990, Gregg L. Gibson, U.S. Army Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center, Close Combat Armaments Center, Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that FIRE on the bolt is deeply engraved means you could feel it as well as see it. That's a nice touch which could help you check its status in the dark.
@nutbastard
@nutbastard 2 жыл бұрын
"feel it" ... "nice touch" - pun intended?
@XtreeM_FaiL
@XtreeM_FaiL Жыл бұрын
Great addon for blind people.
@paleoph6168
@paleoph6168 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Ian make a video on this gun again 9 years later.
@Toggers99
@Toggers99 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the sheer simplicity of the weapon from an engineering perspective, but the non-parallel design of the PDW between the body and the barrel makes my brain itch.
@markuskoivisto
@markuskoivisto 2 жыл бұрын
It’s designed that way to prevent muzzle climb.
@Toggers99
@Toggers99 2 жыл бұрын
@@markuskoivisto I did hear that part, but then he immediately pointed out what I thought would happen, people would try to aim by holding the body parallel to the ground which was not correct. Aesthetics are not the priority when designing weapons, but sometimes form and function are intertwined.
@stevenclark2188
@stevenclark2188 2 жыл бұрын
@@Toggers99 Encouraged by the lack of stock so there's no place to put your face when using the sights.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 2 жыл бұрын
A case study in ergonomics. Ergonomics don't just mean "making it comfortable to use;" they're also important in making it so that the equipment is *used correctly.* Bad ergonomics can make otherwise well-crafted equipment effectively useless.
@klausbrinck2137
@klausbrinck2137 2 жыл бұрын
@@markuskoivisto He means the upper receiver-half not being parallel, and that has nothing to do with preventing muzzle-climb, which is also the reason, that "golden gun"-company changed that, going from an upper receiver-half with a disturbing deep curve, to a straght one...The only function previously was aesthetics, meaning, the upper receiver-half being parallel to the lower receiver-half... "Golden Gun" changed that, which made it less nice-looking, but also less disturbing while shooting
@Gorgane100
@Gorgane100 2 жыл бұрын
If my memory serves me right there was a semiauto prototype made with a stock and longer barrel aimed at the US civilian market. I remember seeing a photo in a 80's Finnish ASE-magazine. Jali got the idea for the gun when his .22 target pistol prototype with the same slanted design malfunctioned and emptied the whole magazine in the blink of an eye. When he went to see his target he noticed that all the bullets were grouped relatively close together when one would think that the first shot would be on target and the rest in the sky. He had his heureka moment there but sadly the end product wasn't quite up to par.
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 2 жыл бұрын
Heureka Moment is now part of my personal lexicon. Thank you!
@danspragens4935
@danspragens4935 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chiller01 FWIW, the "h" sound is actually correct in ancient Greek, though this is the first I've seen it written this way in English. A very cool "typo."
@kallemort
@kallemort 2 жыл бұрын
@@danspragens4935 It's typically written as "heureka!" in Finnish, at least.
@danspragens4935
@danspragens4935 2 жыл бұрын
@@kallemort Not terribly surprised to hear, but it's cool to see since I've never seen it rendered like that in English.
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 2 жыл бұрын
@@danspragens4935 I’m not being either ironic or sarcastic. Having moved from the US to Canada my autocorrect is British. Colour has replaced color and grey has replaced gray. This is just an evolution into Finnish/English, as I’m not conversant in Ancient Greek.
@BatCaveOz
@BatCaveOz 2 жыл бұрын
Take this to the range, please. Also, I thought I remembered Ian covering the Jatimatic in an earlier video. I searched in the main channel, and he did... way back in 2012! Production values have significantly increased 😁
@buzzkrieger3913
@buzzkrieger3913 2 жыл бұрын
Royal Armouries covered this wonky gun 3 months ago.
@jameskazd9951
@jameskazd9951 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, seemed familiar, but a better quality video of a previously covered firearm is always welcomed
@ryanpeck3377
@ryanpeck3377 2 жыл бұрын
Guess Im not crazy and imagining things than 😆
@titiparisien7485
@titiparisien7485 2 жыл бұрын
Same here!!
@forrest225
@forrest225 2 жыл бұрын
I was also wondering where I had seen this covered before lol.
@Deraxion
@Deraxion 2 жыл бұрын
In the nineties when I was 6-7 years old, me and some friends of mine were playing with wooden "guns" which were tree branches really, and the best ones were called Jatimatics :D I really dont know where the name came, but I would quess someones older brother or father had seen Cobra and told his kid the name. But the name always was a synonym for the best wooden branch gun in our childhood games.
@MikJ132
@MikJ132 2 жыл бұрын
This looks like a fictional weapon an early PS2 would have
@LizardKingTF2Halo174
@LizardKingTF2Halo174 2 жыл бұрын
Right? Like straight out of resident evil lmao
@con_zur
@con_zur 2 жыл бұрын
Love the simplicity honestly. Everything from the takedown lever to the safety mechanism
@RevBoose
@RevBoose 2 жыл бұрын
It was also in a limited-edition Marvel series called Mad Dog, of course back in the 80's. Character in the story says that Mad Dog chose it because it was able to be fired one-handed full-auto and be controllable.
@VorpalDerringer
@VorpalDerringer 2 жыл бұрын
The comic was from DC, called Wild Dog, and it was probably meant to compete with Marvel's Punisher. He did have a Jatimatic, though. The insane part is how the reporter in the first story describes Wild Dogs use of body armor, tasers, and a couple other gadgets as giving him "comparable performance to Superman". I did wonder why the Jatimatic was claimed to be so controllable, since comic writers usually get about half of their gun facts right (Larry Hama excepted). This video explains a lot about the claim.
@RevBoose
@RevBoose 2 жыл бұрын
@@VorpalDerringer Yes, sorry, Wild Dog! Right! The Committee For Social Change! "We are not left wing, nor are we right wing, we simply... ARE!" Now it's all flooding back! That was from a time when I was buying comics left and right, and Wild Dog came out at the same time as Marvel's New Universe (also a flop), and I had conflated them in my head as all being from the same company! Now I've got the original cover in my head... thanks!
@RevBoose
@RevBoose 2 жыл бұрын
@YT The character in the comic did it at arm’s-length. Accurate automatic fire while crashing a truck through a barrier. Comic book physics!
@Taistelukalkkuna
@Taistelukalkkuna 2 жыл бұрын
I participated in shooting event with all sort of guns brought by collectors, 20mm Lahti down. The representive of the company that bought the rights was there to demonstrate the gun. Jams, and he even managed to disassemble the gun while firing. Like Ian demonstrated in 6:10
@zaphodqi122
@zaphodqi122 2 жыл бұрын
thought the thumbnail was "Jamimatic"
@Matt-xc6sp
@Matt-xc6sp 2 жыл бұрын
That’s the 1911 Boomers destroyed
@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920
@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 2 жыл бұрын
@@Matt-xc6sp they see you trollin’, they hate it.
@mikepj67
@mikepj67 2 жыл бұрын
Sweet
@pepepantuflas1
@pepepantuflas1 2 жыл бұрын
That's the tec-9 even though it's such a beautiful gun
@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920
@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920 2 жыл бұрын
@@samholdsworth420 call an ambulance, but not for you!😁
@jonathanbohm6489
@jonathanbohm6489 2 жыл бұрын
“You’re a disease…and I’m the cure” Ian when purchasing his .22 Zip
@robviousobviously5757
@robviousobviously5757 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the arrow on the red FIRE marking.. incase you get confused as to where the bullets come out..
@F4Wildcat
@F4Wildcat 2 жыл бұрын
This looks like a weapon that comes from a vending machine
@Hysteria98
@Hysteria98 2 жыл бұрын
Or a Kinder Egg Surprise.
@failatlife1
@failatlife1 2 жыл бұрын
the bolt traveling slightly downwards in order to somewhat counteract the tendency of the gun to climb is honestly super clever.
@supersonicbros23
@supersonicbros23 2 жыл бұрын
I always loved the Jatimatic for how boxy and compartmental it looks, its like the SPAS 12 of SMG's
@Tallus_ap_Mordren
@Tallus_ap_Mordren 2 жыл бұрын
The silhouette is actually very similar to olympic .22 free pistols and air pistols. This is one of the guns where an actual arm brace would have made sense.
@jamesgilbert124
@jamesgilbert124 2 жыл бұрын
This is gonna be fun on the range tomorrow.
@Omnihil777
@Omnihil777 2 жыл бұрын
A finnish military friend of my fathers, who had the pleasure to shoot the Jatimatic for a while - quite some years ago - said that he felt that it is an awesome point shooter, for intuitive targeting "from the hip", and he was fairely experienced in the SMG genre, you could say. He said, the magazines were outstanding, rugged & reliable. He too said, the trigger was awful, though.
@andrewbrice2116
@andrewbrice2116 2 жыл бұрын
I've been a fan of this one for years and years,this the second video Ian's done on this,I just think this gun was ahead of its time..such a smart simple peice of kit.
@Eye_Exist
@Eye_Exist 2 жыл бұрын
True legends know Jatimatic from finnish TV series Vintiöt
@jubuttib
@jubuttib 2 жыл бұрын
Aaah, finally Ian gets the Jatimatic in his hands again, and makes a higher quality video than the old one.
@Qwarzz
@Qwarzz 2 жыл бұрын
Should throw it in a lake.
@Pelleministeri
@Pelleministeri 2 жыл бұрын
Hyvää juhannusta!
@jten1116
@jten1116 2 жыл бұрын
There was a rumor, back in the day, that there were several of these made with same serial numbers from the factory...Buddy of mine told me that he had some acquaintance, connection etc to someone close to the factory and he was offered one "under the table "...I would guess this was at the end, after no contracts for military etc had materialized and money was tight... My buddy declined, he was intrigued of the gun in technical point of view but he didn't want anything to do with any illegal activities. (He was quite a tinker and always interested in some technical gadgets) I also heard at least one instance when one, ehm, group had bought one of these(they were no robbers etc, just "Jatimatic? Yeah cool gun, how much?"), and one of the guys decided that after a couple of beers it was a magnificent idea to shoot full auto burst from the back door to the ground in backyard. With closest house with occupants being a few hundred yards away. And closest police station 10 mins away. That gun was probably thrown into a close by river at that same night.... I also happened to see in mid90s a brochure of the Golden Gun Jatimatics. I always thought that their brochure was the worst. I mean you are trying to sell PDW to some military, LE etc. And then you come up with this brochure that has your guns displayed with guys next to a Finnish APC, Pasi, guys wearing camo. And holding GOLD plated PDWs....Yeah, gold plated....Hence "Golden Gun"....
@Taistelukalkkuna
@Taistelukalkkuna 2 жыл бұрын
*Tviiuu Tviiuu* Nyt lähdet lusimaan. Saanko heittää Jati-Maticcini jokeen? No heitä. *FIUUUUU PLUMPS!*
@themythofthefacelessman2180
@themythofthefacelessman2180 2 жыл бұрын
This weapon is so much of a meme that me and my dad keep joking about it casually almost every day it’s just too funny
@mojungle3054
@mojungle3054 2 жыл бұрын
Your dad is cool as hell. My dad only makes jokes about my life
@Hysteria98
@Hysteria98 2 жыл бұрын
@@mojungle3054 And yet he made you- he must be the biggest joke of them all, lmao.
@SNOUPS4
@SNOUPS4 2 жыл бұрын
I really wished we could see Ian shooting that one in slow motion, the mechanism against muzzle climb is interesting! I think they could have added a bigger hand stop on this unfolded front grip because it doesn't look super safe for the fingers, if one doesn't pay attention one day...
@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts
@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts 2 жыл бұрын
Another SMG I just remembered from the old Jane's publications was a small SMG that Parker Hale was working on would love to se you get your hands on that one day.
@aries_9130
@aries_9130 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool. Jonathan Ferguson also made a video about this and its successors, a very interesting watch as well.
@Tittyballz5000
@Tittyballz5000 2 жыл бұрын
The engineering that went into this firearm is amazing. How the barrel locates/headspaces is far from traditional methods, the recoil mitigation built into the position/angle of the barrel, the progressive trigger. A lot of thought really went into this firearm. Pretty cool stuff. Thanks Ian, for giving the world a glimpse into this.
@klausbrinck2137
@klausbrinck2137 2 жыл бұрын
Very, very good, with just a couple of things to keep your mind on when using. Very easy to clean, field-strip, un-jam... I loved the muzzle-anti-climp- features
@duckkillerpjt
@duckkillerpjt 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool gun but I didn't realize until Ian's explanation at the end of the video how shortsighted it was to make a gun with no shoulder stock that is very unintuitive to shoot from the hip due to the abnormal angle of the barrel
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 2 жыл бұрын
I was obsessed with the jatimatic after I saw it in ‘world military weapons’ book
@History_Coffee
@History_Coffee 2 жыл бұрын
"this is where the law stops and I start sucker" - Marion Cobretti
@colindegrow1475
@colindegrow1475 2 жыл бұрын
"Crime is a disease, I'm the cure"
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 2 жыл бұрын
If only the episode had opened with "I'm Ian McCollum, and crime is a disease. This is the cure."
@Ostenjager
@Ostenjager 2 жыл бұрын
Ever since I saw a picture of one of these in a Jane’s Guide to Guns circa 2000, I’ve wanted to get my mitts on one.
@frankbrowning328
@frankbrowning328 2 жыл бұрын
I love this thing. It's hard to imagine why nobody wanted it. It had to be very easy and inexpensive to produce. A folding stock could have easily been added. If the tilted barrel was a big issue that could have been made straight in line with the receiver.
@Hipas_Account
@Hipas_Account 2 жыл бұрын
Oooh, i have been waiting for this. I remember the video you did on one years back, and hoping for a more thorough look of it, now all we need is shooting footage :D
@johncox2865
@johncox2865 2 жыл бұрын
A very impressive weapon. Especially the anti-muzzle rise provisions. Wish I had one,of these. Thanks, Ian. You’re the best.
@TSKNBgaming
@TSKNBgaming 2 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing these in an old Finnish crime documentary, where they used this to rob postal offices. It's on english subtitles on Yle Areena: "K5, J5: Jatimatic-ryöstöt" Looked pretty grim, and it also was pretty flashy way to go in that's why they we're caught because this really raised the red flags on police.
@TSKNBgaming
@TSKNBgaming Жыл бұрын
@Nunya Bis nah, the factory was actually robbed / bulgarized in the 90s so lots of jatimatics ended up to criminals also at that time deactivation laws were different so they reactivated deactivated jatimatics back to working ones.
@Veldtian1
@Veldtian1 Жыл бұрын
@@TSKNBgaming resourceful Finns.
@Ghandi242
@Ghandi242 2 жыл бұрын
Have been waiting for this one since the first Finland trip!
@stormiewutzke4190
@stormiewutzke4190 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool. We tend to think that everything should look a way but often our bodies do better with asymmetrical design. Something you may be interested in there is a channel called Scholagladitoria that is similar to your exept for older weapons. Asymmetrical design was far more common in older weapons.
@jimmelnyk7506
@jimmelnyk7506 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning the Shooter's Outpost Museum. Hookset is about an hour drive from my house, and I went to visit them this weekend. It was a nice place to visit, and they have an impressive collection there.
@mikaelkanerva1591
@mikaelkanerva1591 2 жыл бұрын
Saanko ensin heittää Jatimaticini lampeen?
@762rk95tp
@762rk95tp 2 жыл бұрын
Pikku vintiö.
@Taistelukalkkuna
@Taistelukalkkuna 2 жыл бұрын
No heitä,mutta sitten lähdet lusimaan.
@tomlevier3615
@tomlevier3615 2 жыл бұрын
It looks so different without a giant D cell Flashlight sized laser mounted on top.. Only 400 were made? Wow. I had no idea the production numbers were so low...
@kenthvad1
@kenthvad1 2 жыл бұрын
well done sir. your research is fantastic. i am really loving the history of the guns
@shooteveryday1841
@shooteveryday1841 2 жыл бұрын
Ian, love to hear you using engineering terms describing the firing mechanics
@jamesshultz8769
@jamesshultz8769 2 жыл бұрын
Finally you covered this. It's been on the short list of ones I've wanted you to cover that you hadn't gotten to.
@BrorAppelsin
@BrorAppelsin 2 жыл бұрын
First full-auto firearm I ever fired, in 1985 at 14 years of age.
@chrism4008
@chrism4008 2 жыл бұрын
It might be a little goofy, but I think i like the design of this guy. Seems like it would be fun at the range because of its oddity
@dureteheiral1793
@dureteheiral1793 2 жыл бұрын
agreed, could have easily blended in into Star Wars universe... probably Han Solo or Imperial Officers sidearm... and oh, it is its oddity that really count
@Some.Canadian
@Some.Canadian Жыл бұрын
it might sound weird but I get a headache just looking at it. Very unique but so awkward looking.
@lbh002
@lbh002 2 жыл бұрын
What a cool design. I hope you get to shoot one and show/tell us how it handles on the range.
@aleksandartokin6914
@aleksandartokin6914 2 жыл бұрын
This is a really cool pdw, it's crazy simple and it looks pretty cool too
@MythicMagus
@MythicMagus 2 жыл бұрын
I am always amazed at guns with so few moving parts. I wonder if using a fire selector switch instead of a progressive trigger would have helped the gun sell better. As another comment said, a more traditional cocking lever probably would have helped too.
@anzaca1
@anzaca1 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is the lack of a stock.
@2ftg
@2ftg 2 жыл бұрын
Now this one I want to see on the range. Especially in one handed full auto.
@ilaughattonydanza1081
@ilaughattonydanza1081 2 жыл бұрын
Shooters has so much to offer in the museum. I wish you’d show the whole thing. It’s extremely impressive. The owner Jim has one of the largest machine gun collections (in private hands) in the world. One thing to keep in mind if you see the whole museum is this is just the stuff he decided to put in the museum in his gun shop. I can’t imagine what’s in his house.
@michaelharkonnen8126
@michaelharkonnen8126 2 жыл бұрын
I still have the original poster for Cobra with Stallone posing with the jatimatic "Crime is a disease. He is the cure" 😂
@comiketiger
@comiketiger 2 жыл бұрын
Another outstanding video and an interesting design! Love the depths of your information Ian! Thank you! God bless all here.
@davealpern7089
@davealpern7089 2 жыл бұрын
The cover of Action Comics #640 features Wild Dog brandishing a Jatimatic that I now realize would not be able to fire (front handle is folded up).
@VorpalDerringer
@VorpalDerringer 2 жыл бұрын
Now I'm going to have to reread Wild Dogs mini series and see if they screwed it up there.
@nutbastard
@nutbastard 2 жыл бұрын
Just make it head canon that he filed down the little nub that stops the bolt.
@pancortv8989
@pancortv8989 2 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted Ian to review this gun!
@Kumimono
@Kumimono 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the manufactured Jatimatics have in fact been thrown into a lake by the Tervasaari Summer Theatre troupe. :(
@moemaster1966
@moemaster1966 2 жыл бұрын
And I thought the MAC-10 was simple …this thing has that beat
@FelixstoweFoamForge
@FelixstoweFoamForge 2 жыл бұрын
That's actually a very clever idea. I like it. Using biomechanics to mitigate climb.
@wallaroo1295
@wallaroo1295 2 жыл бұрын
In the original *"Red Dawn"* movie, this is the weapon carried by Colonel Strelnikov in the final shootout with Jed.
@finalascent
@finalascent 2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine pointed out that the actor playing the Russian officer was probably making "shooting sounds" when firing the blanks - you can see breath streaming from his mouth when he fires at Swayze.
@wallaroo1295
@wallaroo1295 2 жыл бұрын
@@finalascent Yeah - why not? I mean, I would! Who *wouldn't* go, "Pew Pew Pew" today? LOL The breath also gives away that Matty isn't actually "dead" because, otherwise Charlie Sheen would have had to hold his breath the whole time. So... I always speculated that after COL Bella let's them pass... They do what they were taught to do... "Stay Alive" and they made it back to the Mountains, and watch over Partisan Rock. Living in the wilderness they fought in. Mountain Men with boatloads of PTSD.
@twopoundertranslationteam6335
@twopoundertranslationteam6335 2 жыл бұрын
Chinese also copied the Jatimatic in about 1990s, and it's called Model 411. Jonathan at Royal Armouries has a video about that, but he didn't mention the model name. Also that one is the 9mm Parabellum export (presumably semi-auto) version. There's also a small number of Model 411 in various police stations in China, mostly in 7.62 Tokarev. All of those phased out of service in the early 2000s after some practical testings by the police forces.
@agoogleaccount2861
@agoogleaccount2861 2 жыл бұрын
Have seen in a gun store case as a semi auto pistol a few years ago ..it was nice quality ..
@Goofy_Boots
@Goofy_Boots 2 жыл бұрын
Lol I love how long I've been watching. I knew Ian already did a video on this gun and sure enough, it was 9 years ago.
@marcelorezende7568
@marcelorezende7568 2 жыл бұрын
I remember reading the test of this gun in a gun magazine in the 80s. Great to find her in this video after so many years.
@ericmitchell985
@ericmitchell985 2 жыл бұрын
I was kind of hoping the Jatimatic was unsuccessful because it was a jamomatic. Fascinating gun, tho!
@kantenklaus9753
@kantenklaus9753 2 жыл бұрын
Although the design is a bit unusual, I like the clarity of the design. I love this style of the eighties more than anything.
@ryhold
@ryhold 2 жыл бұрын
This needs to be taken to the range 😎
@enricopaolocoronado2511
@enricopaolocoronado2511 2 жыл бұрын
The design looks pleasing on the eyes.
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you , Ian .
@applechocolate4U
@applechocolate4U 2 жыл бұрын
This is easily the coolest open bolt blowback smg/pdw
@StupidIsMyJob
@StupidIsMyJob 2 жыл бұрын
This gun is the Judge Dredd-iest gun I've seen in a while, I think. If it were possible to saw off the little safety bit on the front handle, I bet it could maybe look like a semi-decent cyberpunk-y gun. I mean, you know, after charging the handle, being able to stow it while firing, that's what I'm getting at. Yes, I know this would be a bad idea for a couple of reasons, I'm just gamering out here.
@nutbastard
@nutbastard 2 жыл бұрын
All you'd have to do is file down that little nub on the front handle. Honestly I think the gun would be a lot slicker if they ditched the front handle and made it into a hand stop / charging handle.
@StupidIsMyJob
@StupidIsMyJob 2 жыл бұрын
@@nutbastard Maybe grind the nubbies down and put strap attachments on the front handle? I'm trying to imagine charging the gun by pulling the gun down, so the strap pulleys over your shoulder, dragging the front grip with, but I doubt it would work that smoothly, plus it'd have to lock in place for it to actually get some use out of that strap attachment point. I think. Really, just trying my best to Matrix the fuck out of these guns.
@markpeterson1819
@markpeterson1819 2 жыл бұрын
Fun to watch Ian trying to teach vector mathematics for dummies. Well done Ian.
@MKnife
@MKnife 2 жыл бұрын
An imagined version of this gun was also extensively used in the finnish 90's tv-show Vintiöt, in most episodes of something called "Tervasaaren Kesäteatteri". The gun was usually thrown in a lake at the end where it made the sound "plumpsis". And yes, you'd have to be quite finnish to understand any of that.
@moalongkumer3232
@moalongkumer3232 2 жыл бұрын
The angled bolt movement reminds one of a MAS-38 working upside down.
@onpsxmember
@onpsxmember 2 жыл бұрын
Will there be some range footage? It'd be interesting to see how much the downward facing component helps.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, tomorrow
@saiberunato
@saiberunato 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen versions of it online with folding stock. Perhaps that should have been standard from the beginning.
@leejones5026
@leejones5026 2 жыл бұрын
Such a cool SMG! Loved it in Cobra
@johndeere1951a
@johndeere1951a 2 жыл бұрын
Shooters Outpost in Hooksett New Hampshire is my go to gun shop. Bonus is their outstanding museum. great inventory, great ammo stock with fair pricing. They have everything 👍👍👍👍👍
@TheBlahblahblahhh
@TheBlahblahblahhh 2 жыл бұрын
The build and design is actually pretty genius. Really cool.
@OptimisticAsparagus96
@OptimisticAsparagus96 2 жыл бұрын
Stallone carried one in Cobra (1986) "You're the disease, and I'm the cure."
@chrissinclair8705
@chrissinclair8705 2 жыл бұрын
My friend owned a Remington 587 "Jam-amatic" but I've never fired a "Jatamatic".
@fratercontenduntocculta8161
@fratercontenduntocculta8161 5 ай бұрын
I'll never forget seeing it in Red Dawn. Perfect 80's action movie gimmick gun!
@LadaD02
@LadaD02 2 жыл бұрын
Good to see this creation once again,my Father's brother visited Estonia in late 1980 and while he was walking on the streets of Tallinn,some guy tried to sell a Jatimatic to him with 10k rounds
@chkpnt-fq5rv
@chkpnt-fq5rv 2 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty clever design. Especially using the folding foregrip as a safety.
@swissbianco
@swissbianco 2 жыл бұрын
there was a folding stock version as well, google show some pics of it. cause most of the few made where sold in a most compact version with a belt holster they lack the folding stock. it was and is a great design of a smg.
@trioptimum9027
@trioptimum9027 2 жыл бұрын
I like that the big FIRE sign has an arrow. You know, in case you forget which way it fires.
@nightwolf4838
@nightwolf4838 2 жыл бұрын
Love the videos. 4k when?
@williewilliams6571
@williewilliams6571 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw what this video was about, I thought "Red Dawn!" Another good vid.
@ElCachorro97
@ElCachorro97 2 жыл бұрын
Used to watch a japanese show about guns that play jazz music in the background, this gun gave me nostalgia.
@conmcgrath7174
@conmcgrath7174 2 жыл бұрын
I can imagine that people would instinctively fire high with this weapon in stressful situations, plus the fact you have to open the front handle, pull back and return it just to charge the gun doesn't exactly make it ideal for a quick response. That said, I bet it shoots very well and it's got a decent barrel length, 7 or 8 inches I'm guessing? It might be great in an ambush (if you are doing the ambushing!) I like the simple strip-down and love the built-in muzzle climb reduction, that's pretty smart. In the fantasy world I inhabit, I would add a folding stock (or at least the option), change the upper stamping as Golden Gun did, replace the original folding front handle with a decent foregrip and disable the safety (EDIT safety is already disabled). Plenty of scope to add same sort of bolt lock safety just forward and above the trigger (somewhere ergonomic). I'd envisage a simple 'flip down to fire' mechanism that engages when you charge the bolt? Hell, go all out and gas-port (I mean muzzle brake) the barrel too. Now you have a weapon that can be cocked 'shotgun style' as it is raised to fire. I bet that would make it a very formidable PDW and very accurate in burst firing. Pretty sure somebody with more sense than me would say 'just buy an MP-5' or whatever, fair point but this gun had potential? I'd love to see it at the range, HINT HINT Ian. Pax.
@Tunkkis
@Tunkkis 2 жыл бұрын
The barrel is a hair over 20 cm long, just under 8 inches.
@conmcgrath7174
@conmcgrath7174 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tunkkis Cheers, not a bad quess on my behalf (if I'd been using 'cock-inches' I'd have guessed at least 11). Pax
@HAZZZZZZZZZAAAA
@HAZZZZZZZZZAAAA 2 жыл бұрын
Not going to lie, something about that bolt is very aesthetically pleasing
@Hamokk
@Hamokk 2 жыл бұрын
Royal Armouries has a video on their KZfaq channel where Jonathan has all versions on display.
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