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Westley Richards Centerfire Monkey Tail Carbine

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The Westley Richards "Monkey Tail" was a popular capping breechloader first designed in 1858. It was finally adopted by the British cavalry in 1866, and served until 1881. It was also a popular commercial rifle, especially in remote places like Australia and South Africa. It was named for the long lever on top of the action used to open and close the breech. In 1868, Westley Richards designed a centerfire version using a self-contained paper cartridge (somewhat like a Chassepot cartridge). Only 600 of these were ever made, and only 13 are known to still exist - including this one.
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@benjamindover2601
@benjamindover2601 2 жыл бұрын
Between 1850-1900 the rate of firearms technological development was insane, as soon as you patented something it was already obsolete.
@howardanon7433
@howardanon7433 2 жыл бұрын
@@losonsrenoster the fork and spoon is a thing that's pretty old far older
@gijake1989
@gijake1989 2 жыл бұрын
*cough cough* gewehr 88.
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 2 жыл бұрын
@@losonsrenoster sewers
@Solnoric
@Solnoric 2 жыл бұрын
@@losonsrenoster well, the basic action of the Gatling is pretty popular today. And that era saw the invention of interrupted screw breech-loading cannons.
@infernaldaedra
@infernaldaedra 2 жыл бұрын
@@losonsrenoster For reference: Motorcycles, Cars, Trains, Pump-Action Shotguns, Cased Bullets, Mills and Lathes, plastics, airplanes, pharmaceuticals, asphalt, sewing machines, carpets, Iron Ships, Refrigerators, music players, printing presses. Microphones, Internal Combustion engines, telegraph, light bulbs, staplers, batteries, cement, matches, lighters, calculators, revolvers, rubber, bicycles, blueprints, tires, dishwashers, fiber optics, elevators, machine guns, Mass produced locks, dynamite, traffic lights, ballpoint pens, cameras and film, contact lenses, electric motors, smokeless powder, Motion Pictures, vacuum cleaners, shoe insoles. Drinking straws all were invented in the same century.
@yainja
@yainja 2 жыл бұрын
Finally! Information on a weapon that is iconic in South Africa due to it's popularity amongst the boers in the mid to late 1800's. It has been virtually impossible to find an in-depth look at it until now. Thank you Gun Jesus!
@luisnunes3863
@luisnunes3863 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I was looking for video on the Westley Richards breechloaders just 2 weeks ago, got nothing worth mentioning.
@LOVEMUFFIN_official
@LOVEMUFFIN_official 2 жыл бұрын
I do believe that he also has a whole series on the Second Anglo-Boer War, covering everything from a Lee Speed from the Jameson Raid to some of the ZAR Mausers from the official Boer government purchases once war seemed inevitable.
@yainja
@yainja 2 жыл бұрын
@@luisnunes3863 Here is an original Boer paper cartridge one being fired: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sOCAa6tysc6mmn0.html
@Mr_Dopey
@Mr_Dopey 2 жыл бұрын
I've recently found the my hometown was the first to mass produce rifle scopes. People who are raised here have no idea of the history of Malcolm Scopes. It would be interesting to see the development of scopes on Forgotten Weapons. I know Ian has touched on a few, but there is a wealth of interesting history to touch on here.
@davidbowman2001
@davidbowman2001 2 жыл бұрын
An optics history video would be awesome, I really hope he does that. Kinda seems like we’ve hit a plateau with firearms development and all the meaningful improvement is in stuff like optics now.
@aidanfarnan4683
@aidanfarnan4683 2 жыл бұрын
Caseless Black-powder cavalry carbine with Whitworth rifling? Yes please.
@VosperCDN
@VosperCDN 2 жыл бұрын
Love the variety in intermediate design ideas between the older 'common' firearms that people probably know about, and the modern ones.
@ragnarsdad6065
@ragnarsdad6065 2 жыл бұрын
The Westley Richards factory used t9 be a few hundred yards from my home before they relocated. Still in business today with rifles starting at only $60k or so
@badcallsign4204
@badcallsign4204 2 жыл бұрын
Monkey Tail - perfect name for it. If I was around in 1868, I think that’s a nice, practical firearm I would probably want to own.
@craigthescott5074
@craigthescott5074 2 жыл бұрын
Basically looks like a Springfield trap door with a long lever. But with paper cartridges instead of metallic cartridges.
@yetanother9127
@yetanother9127 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking it was basically a trapdoor breech with an extra out-of-battery safety.
@davidcox3076
@davidcox3076 2 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing upon first viewing. Interesting all the engineering that went into breechloaders as they moved from paper to metallic cartridges.
@scottstewart5784
@scottstewart5784 2 жыл бұрын
Am I alone in really wanting to see what these paper cartridges with primer caps look like?
@nowthenzen
@nowthenzen 2 жыл бұрын
you are not alone
@herbertliedel7019
@herbertliedel7019 2 жыл бұрын
Probably very similar to a 1866 Chassepot round. There are several youtube vids showing how to make the Chassepot rounds.
@thespecialbru
@thespecialbru 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been hoping to see something from Westley Richards on the channel! I have a Westley Richards safari rifle, built on an action and with the .450 musket cartridge that might have been the Martini-Henry, if it had won the trial! It’s quite a pleasant gun. Edit: Ian I should say, if you’d like to get a look at it, I’m always happy to spread the good word of WR rifles.
@iceman7322
@iceman7322 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice rifle. Keep it in good condition and it will be a gem for your following generations.👍🏼
@paulshayter1113
@paulshayter1113 2 жыл бұрын
You might want to email Ian direct at his email under the description. He can't read all the comments.
@paidwitness797
@paidwitness797 2 жыл бұрын
While the modern stuff is nice enough, this is what keeps me coming back!
@MegaBCAD
@MegaBCAD 2 жыл бұрын
There’s something beautiful about see low serial numbers under 1000 makes really think about a time when the inviter probably had his hand on every bit of that rifle
@worldtraveler930
@worldtraveler930 2 жыл бұрын
I can grasp the concept that there probably are no longer any of the actual paper cartridges around that still exist but I feel it would have been really nice to have at least seen a drawing or patents sketch of some form!
@BruceEEvans1
@BruceEEvans1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Ian. I have never heard of this system before. Its similarity to the Allin Conversion for Springfield muskets is amazing. Considering the date of its introduction I have to believe Erskine Allin had seen it before producing his trapdoor conversion for the military.
@JamesLaserpimpWalsh
@JamesLaserpimpWalsh 2 жыл бұрын
Thats a really nice little rifle. Would look right at home in a saddle scabbard somewhere. Cheers Ian.
@ivankrylov6270
@ivankrylov6270 2 жыл бұрын
This channel makes me want to get a c&r license and get all the mechanically weird guns
@ajsparx4133
@ajsparx4133 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see some of the field equipment that they would use for making some of these obscure paper cartridges!
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 2 жыл бұрын
If you check out British Muzzleloader he has some episodes on making paper cartridges.
@magnusquercu9905
@magnusquercu9905 2 жыл бұрын
Link to one of their playlists kzfaq.info/sun/PLkOVIw4NSWVKLj6tnVaE13GshHB8uxbK2
@alexanderthomas2660
@alexanderthomas2660 2 жыл бұрын
Check out the capandball channel, he often shows how he makes paper cartridges for various guns.
@jimvandemoter6961
@jimvandemoter6961 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderthomas2660 also Duelist 1954 has some videos on paper cartridges.
@msmith7341
@msmith7341 2 жыл бұрын
I read this title as "Centerfire Monkey TRIAL Carbine". I was VERY excited to hear Ian tell about the military testing a gun to see how well lower primates could use it!
@johnfisk811
@johnfisk811 Жыл бұрын
The cartridge is normal paper (‘Yellow Fine’) and not nitrated. The pressure forces the wad into the breech as the seal whilst the paper powder case is tied to the bullet and dragged out with it, immediately being discarded somewhat charred and the same with any split bits of paper. When the next round is chambered its bullet butts up against the old wad and, when fired, pushes it up the barrel. Being soaked in grease it cleans the bore as it goes. The bullet is paper patched and the patch is also greased so the bore remains s clean for repeated fire. Given a mould the design is amenable to improvised self construction and, the older percussion capping version at least, came with a metal plug to protect the chamber when loaded at the muzzle if wanted. Initially loading a greased wad to sit as a seal on the metal plug. Handy for cheap use in civilian hands and popular with South African civilians who could use a simple patched round ball.
@johnfisk811
@johnfisk811 2 жыл бұрын
Westley Richards did the gunsmithing for Isombard Brunei’s research into octagonal bores. Brunel let Westley Richards show it all to Whitworth before Whitworth began his work. Brunel refused to patent the concept but old man Whitworth was less scrupulous and patented the hexagonal bore, but Brunei’s was octagonal. The stamping on the MT of Whitworth patent was to keep Whitworth sweet. But both Westley Richards and Whitworth knew that any patent royalty claim would be defeated by all the evidence of Brunel and Westley Richards’ earlier work and prior correspondence and examination by Whitworth of the polygonal bore. So no patent payments were ever made. FWIW even before Brunel’s work an experimental version of the Brunswick rifle was made by the Royal Manufactory (later to be Enfield) to a design on a Sergeant Major of the Household cavalry with a pentagonal bore. Not to mention the polygonal bore has been used since generations before any of these. Cynically I believe that Whitworth only used the hexagonal bore rather than the superior octagonal so that he could seek his own patent. Even though the narrower corners could not be kept free of fouling in extended use.
@colint
@colint 2 жыл бұрын
The company are still going, KZfaq won't let me post the URL but searching his name will find it. Bespoke builds only starting at £85000 (US$111000). Maybe Ian should visit them and make a video next time he's in London.
@shotforshot5983
@shotforshot5983 2 жыл бұрын
Wow what a gorgeous piece of kit! Would be astounding with bullet mold, cleaning kit, case for caps etc.
@losonsrenoster
@losonsrenoster 2 жыл бұрын
The Boers used to call them the Wessel Trichaardt, (a common name amongst the Boers).
@MrPh30
@MrPh30 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the best riflemen of all times the Boers were.
@Hawk1966
@Hawk1966 2 жыл бұрын
I like the size of this carbine it's probably very maneuverable on horseback or in thick brush. 20 rounds per minute sustained isno slouch either. Sweet gun. Bet the auction value is through the roof. One of thirteen? Yikes, fireplace collector (we haven't seen his place in a long while) is likely to snatch this up, well maybe, he seems to like semi autos the most.
@HaNsWiDjAjA
@HaNsWiDjAjA Жыл бұрын
I am very suspicious of the claim of 20 rounds per minute. 20 well aimed rounds per minute is actually no mean feat for the slower magazine fed bolt actions with stripper clips, like the Mauser 98. Maybe in the hands of a very well practiced trick shooter who doesnt really aim 20 rounds per minute is doable. For the typical infantrymen taking proper aim the Monkey Tail should have a maximum rate of fire similar to the Snider Enfield or Springfield Trapdoor, around 10 rounds per minute.
@myoptik3x103
@myoptik3x103 2 жыл бұрын
I find this design to be very appealing visually. Thank you for sharing it with us.
@andybelcher1767
@andybelcher1767 2 жыл бұрын
Synchronicity! I just watched Rob at British Muzzleloaders with his covering of an event and he saw some Monkey Tails - I had no idea what they were so just looked it up, Finished reading that and this pops up. Thank you so much Ian.
@GhostMacross01
@GhostMacross01 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This rifle caught my interest in the 2000s on the Anglo-Boer wars. Hardly any information available except from at least two websites. The best breechloader rifle musket in the 1890s when drawn brass cartridges were in short supply but have plenty of powder, percussion caps, and wad around in a relatively underdeveloped remote area like southern Africa. Being a percussion rifle you can take your time to load it like a muzzleloader despite it being a caplock breechloader. One of the best rifles made for third world use against a first world military force.
@18robsmith
@18robsmith 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the names of these old guns are quiet eccentric and fascinating, and to some very descriptive.
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 2 жыл бұрын
We need to get Ian the kind of funds he needs to have ammo made for something like this. Seeing stuff like this on the range in "tomorrows episode" would be all the droooool :P
@johnfisk811
@johnfisk811 Жыл бұрын
Correction to below. To quote Westley Richards - ‘the firer is advised to place a small iron block into the chamber from the breech-end, take a small greased wad and place it between the block and plunger and then close down the lever’ The iron cylindrical block was supplied with commercial Monkey Tails.
@matthaught4707
@matthaught4707 2 жыл бұрын
"Let me show you what that entails..." Ian got jokes!
@welshskies
@welshskies 2 жыл бұрын
Being a British made rifle shouldn't this arm be described as being "centrefire" rather than "centerfire"?
@OhioTravelswithKris
@OhioTravelswithKris 2 жыл бұрын
Have a great week
@georgeosborn3223
@georgeosborn3223 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I was concerned that this was becoming the SMG Channel
@raijinmeister
@raijinmeister 2 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to make a belt-fed version of that weapon because why not. Belt-fed caseless ammo carbine.
@alun7006
@alun7006 2 жыл бұрын
What an interesting design! It's almost a Trapdoor Springfield. This sounds like it would be right up British Muzzleloaders' street! Would love to see one of these actually run.
@danliberty734
@danliberty734 2 жыл бұрын
I’m guessing that the remains of the fired cartridge are pushed forward by the next cartridge inserted and blown out with the next shot. I like the idea of the greased felt wad working like it does as a gas seal on one shot and a lubricant on the next to reduce fouling.
@SlavicCelery
@SlavicCelery 2 жыл бұрын
They're either fully ejected or burned up entirely. Otherwise the next cartridge will most likely explode out of battery, upon loading.
@danliberty734
@danliberty734 2 жыл бұрын
@@SlavicCelery My problem with your theory is Newtonian physics. The explosion of the charge is in front of the wad and percussion cap. As the explosion is pushing the bullet forward down the barrel, it is pushing the wad and cap back onto the breach face. There is a possibility that the wad is non-flammable, such as wool.
@SlavicCelery
@SlavicCelery 2 жыл бұрын
@@danliberty734 the wad is directly behind the bullet and ahead of the powder. The force of the explosion forces it down the muzzle. Behind the powder stops the detonation from happening.
@SlavicCelery
@SlavicCelery 2 жыл бұрын
@@danliberty734 Think wad like shotgun shells. Putting the wad between the cap and the powder makes a non-functional cartridge.
@danliberty734
@danliberty734 2 жыл бұрын
@@SlavicCelery Traditionally, yes, but my understanding of Ian’s description is the wad is a gas seal for the breach, not the bullet, and the firing pin punches through it to hit the primer.
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you , Ian . 🐺
@dp-sr1fd
@dp-sr1fd 2 жыл бұрын
WR also made some very nice sporting rifles using this system. I have also seen a long range match rifle and very accurate is was too.
@jasonz7788
@jasonz7788 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome piece thank you Ian
@godlovesmeonly
@godlovesmeonly Ай бұрын
After each video I always say to myself "no, thank YOU Ian"!
@utahjohnnymontana3373
@utahjohnnymontana3373 2 жыл бұрын
"but its not just ANY Monkeytail..." considering I'd never even heard of the common ones this should be a treat.
@TheHylianBatman
@TheHylianBatman 2 жыл бұрын
A fascinating system. That is a gigantic firing pin. I kinda dig it, though. It certainly works.
@Adui13
@Adui13 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thanks Ean, for another great video!
@promiscuous5761
@promiscuous5761 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 2 жыл бұрын
I dig that swept back hammer design
@PotatoeJoe69
@PotatoeJoe69 2 жыл бұрын
Well that name is certainly a mouthful lol "Wesley Richards Combustible Self-Contained center-fire cartridge carbine"
@anselmdanker9519
@anselmdanker9519 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for covering this interesting design , never seen the mechanism in such detail.Great work!
@sixoaksfarm1556
@sixoaksfarm1556 2 жыл бұрын
That thing is pretty slick!
@ianfurqueron5850
@ianfurqueron5850 2 жыл бұрын
Really cool. Should be interesting to see what it sells for. Lot #1136 in the May 18, 2022 auction.
@trollakhinmemeborn3278
@trollakhinmemeborn3278 2 жыл бұрын
"what that entails" uhuh I see what you did there
@daniele.f.2963
@daniele.f.2963 2 жыл бұрын
Always pleased with your presentations.
@robertsmith4681
@robertsmith4681 2 жыл бұрын
These remind me of the Pauly system, minus the cartridges.
@roadsweeper1
@roadsweeper1 2 жыл бұрын
Someone should make a modern replica of this... a black powder caseless carbine with whitworth rifling. I'd snap that up without hesitation
@justindunlap1235
@justindunlap1235 2 жыл бұрын
Even if it was made with standard rifling that would be awesome.
@johnpalmer5131
@johnpalmer5131 2 жыл бұрын
The early version (paper cartridge & separate percussion cap) would make a great post apocalypse gun.
@jonminer9891
@jonminer9891 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Ian. This is a BSP rifle! Before Steam Punk. It almost qualifies. Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!
@loam6740
@loam6740 2 жыл бұрын
"show you what that entails" good one
@therainbowgulag.
@therainbowgulag. 2 жыл бұрын
Superb video. I do prefer your older stuff but that's just personal preference.
@Jagdtyger2A
@Jagdtyger2A 2 жыл бұрын
You need to do a video of the cartridge that goed with this rifle. It would be interesting to see how it differs from the Chassepot needle rifle cartridge
@earlyriser8998
@earlyriser8998 2 жыл бұрын
i thought the Boers all had Mausers...this is a very nice and handy looking gun
@doctorverruckt5114
@doctorverruckt5114 2 жыл бұрын
I think that may have been the second time when Churchill was involved.
@albatross8361
@albatross8361 2 жыл бұрын
@@doctorverruckt5114 There are Forgotten Weapon videos on the 2nd Boer War Mausers. A lot of guns happened between 1880 and 1899...
@thejackal5099
@thejackal5099 2 жыл бұрын
Those were bought shortly before the Second Boer War. Ian tells the story in detail in his Boer War Mauser video.
@aaronmcgoldrick2439
@aaronmcgoldrick2439 2 жыл бұрын
The Boers used what ever they could get their hands on.😉
@HaNsWiDjAjA
@HaNsWiDjAjA Жыл бұрын
The Boers adopted this gun in the 60's and 70's before magazine fed bolt actions and smokeless powder became the norm. The mauser really came into the market in the 90's.
@Whitpusmc
@Whitpusmc 2 жыл бұрын
Kinda has a Rolling Block feel to the hammer swinging down also locking the action.
@mikemcghin5394
@mikemcghin5394 2 жыл бұрын
Fun facts it's also the model of 1924 Enfield capping breech-loader of the empire of new Britain in the destroyermen books
@viperscot1
@viperscot1 2 жыл бұрын
Would loved to see this shot but as over 100 years old may be not Could smell and taste gunpowder while watching this keep up with the excellent informative quality content Ian Bestest from Scotland
@schiltronmunitions3820
@schiltronmunitions3820 2 жыл бұрын
First version would have been a great candidate for the Maynard tape primer.
@brianmcdaniel2693
@brianmcdaniel2693 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all you do
@gertcoetzee7778
@gertcoetzee7778 2 жыл бұрын
that humiliating battle ian mentioned was the battle of Majuba,my forefathers crept up the Mountain un the cover of darkness and caught poor "tommy atkins" by complete surprise when attacking at dawn
@gertcoetzee7778
@gertcoetzee7778 2 жыл бұрын
@@fredo51 in the first one no,but the second one yes
@MrPh30
@MrPh30 2 жыл бұрын
The movie Majuba is one very good one and show clearly never understimate ones opponent and good hide spots.
@JohnDoe-fk6id
@JohnDoe-fk6id 2 жыл бұрын
I really wish you'd spent more time looking at the locking system. It looks VERY interesting, for it's age.
@nanaki-seto
@nanaki-seto 2 жыл бұрын
800 yards that would be 1 hell of a shot!
@anthonyortiz4538
@anthonyortiz4538 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos bro, hope you had an amazing Easter! Thank you for always teaching me something new
@robertrobert7924
@robertrobert7924 2 жыл бұрын
Very much look forward to the future video of self contained brass cartrdge centerfire version. I am guessing Snider conversions were more successful than this.
@imaginewhirledpeas6696
@imaginewhirledpeas6696 2 жыл бұрын
thats a really cool design actually. beats the hell out of a muzzle loader!
@MoldyStir-Fry
@MoldyStir-Fry 2 жыл бұрын
I wish you could do test firing with this, but I totally understand why you aren't going to.
@genebohannon8820
@genebohannon8820 2 жыл бұрын
I need one for my wall!!
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 2 жыл бұрын
I expected this to be much more like a needle fire breech loader. I would love to see the schematic of the cartridge.
@RiderOftheNorth1968
@RiderOftheNorth1968 2 жыл бұрын
The lenght of the firing pin makes me think that it is almost a hybrid between needle fire and percussive primer fire. The primer seems to be seated fairly deep in the paper cartridge, much like in a needle fire. Just a reflection from me.
@Kaboomf
@Kaboomf 2 жыл бұрын
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 Guessing the primer is seated inside the cartridge past the felt obturator wad.
@g-dcomplex1609
@g-dcomplex1609 2 жыл бұрын
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 good observation, the firing pin is rather fat and long
@RiderOftheNorth1968
@RiderOftheNorth1968 2 жыл бұрын
@@g-dcomplex1609 Fat and long.... Yeah thats ONE way to put it.... lol.
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kaboomf Exactly! I use one of these regularly (albeit the separate paper cartridge and percussion cap version). I would take issue with one thing Ian said, namely that (in the percussion cap version at least) the greased wad at the rear of the cartridge does not disappear up the barrel after the bullet. Its whole purpose is to seal the breech and thus the black powder explodes in front of it, pushing it back against the brass breech face and sealing any gaps. It remains at the back of the chamber and when you open up the tail for the next shot, there it is. What you then did was to load the next paper cartridge, pushing the old felt wad up the barrel in front of it. This not only saved you from having to hook it out, but it had been slightly flattened to the diameter of the chamber and was thus larger than the bore. That way, it scraped its way up the barrel in front of the bullet when you fired it, clearing out much of the fouling. Yes - it seems counter-intuitive to us today to have something in front of the bullet (bore obstruction!) but that's what was done. I must admit, I don't, and an old dentist's pick comes in handy to hoik out the old wad. The "bolt" set up (as Ian called it), with the brass plunger, is exactly the same as in the versions I shoot, except that there is no firing pin of course. The rear wad would therefore be needed to seal the breech, and it would need to have a hole in it to let the firing pin pass. (The length the pin protrudes does look about right for the thickness of wad we use when making the paper cartridges).
@thomashastings5694
@thomashastings5694 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome information, thanks
@Florkl
@Florkl 2 жыл бұрын
Why would the percussion cap be blown out of the gun instead of getting smashed into the breach?
@anthonyattaway3437
@anthonyattaway3437 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Ian ! I was wondering if you have any information on the Rhodesian kommando? Im struggling the nitty gritty details of the trigger group!
@audacity60
@audacity60 2 жыл бұрын
Ian, any chance you could look at more recent UK handguns? Thinking of the AT88S (1990?) & the Sterling .357 DA revolver (1980s?).
@sandozdelysid
@sandozdelysid 2 жыл бұрын
Now thats what im talkin bout
@ReidMerrill
@ReidMerrill 2 жыл бұрын
Does it have anything keeping it locked besides the hammer? It seems to just open right up.
@johncox2865
@johncox2865 2 жыл бұрын
Immersed in saltwater for 48 hours? That seems to be unreasonable.
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 2 жыл бұрын
'Argument--armament'...sounds about right.
@foxmulder7616
@foxmulder7616 2 жыл бұрын
If they ran out of lead was there anything they could use instead? Maybe not in rifled muskets, but smoothbore, like rocks, etc?
@tim5cad203
@tim5cad203 2 жыл бұрын
For a sec there I thought you were going to say that they used actual monkey tails.
@comiketiger
@comiketiger 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing! God bless all here.
@Friedbrain11
@Friedbrain11 2 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see a drawing of the "cartridge".
@CachingCadre
@CachingCadre 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how well this stood against black powder fouling. While the chamber and mechanism should be pretty well protected I'm sure the rifling and the bore got fairly tight as firing went on.
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 2 жыл бұрын
Actually it doesn't! (Well, not so much as you'd think, anyway). I use one of these regularly, albeit in the separate paper cartridge and perussion cap set up. The one thing I would take issue with Ian on is that (in the percussion cap version at least) the greased wad at the rear of the cartridge does not disappear up the barrel after the bullet. Its whole purpose is to seal the breech and thus the black powder explodes in front of it, pushing it back against the brass breech face and sealing any gaps. It remains at the back of the chamber and when you open up the tail for the next shot, there it is. What you then did was to load the next paper cartridge, pushing the old felt wad up the barrel in front of it. This not only saved you from having to hook it out, but it had been slightly flattened to the diameter of the chamber and was thus larger than the bore. That way, it scraped its way up the barrel in front of the bullet when you fired it, clearing out much of the fouling. Yes - it seems counter-intuitive to us today to have something in front of the bullet (bore obstruction!) but that's what was done. I must admit, I don't, and an old dentist's pick comes in handy to hoik out the old wad. It's not perfect and , yes, the mechanism does get fouled after a while, but this is a carbine designed for cavalry scouts and the like, and they aren't likely to be firing continuous volleys. From my experience, I'd have been happy to have had one of these back in the day. It IS accurate and I can get a 3-5" group at 100 yards, which isn't bad for a black powder, paper cartridge setup.
@johnfisk811
@johnfisk811 2 жыл бұрын
The greased felt wad at the rear of the cartridge remains behind on firing and is pushed up the barrel by the nose of the next round. Greasing and wiping the barrel on each shot.
@richwhitaker1506
@richwhitaker1506 2 жыл бұрын
"Primary argument" indeed.
@darrellh1840
@darrellh1840 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian! An interesting design…monkey tail???
@g-dcomplex1609
@g-dcomplex1609 2 жыл бұрын
a little similar in style to the pauley action
@Redmenace96
@Redmenace96 2 жыл бұрын
Brass at the breech face? "helped with the seal" ? Don't understand. Maybe easily replaceable. Black powder pressures were no big deal for brass?
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 2 жыл бұрын
The sealing was done with the greased wad that formed the base of the cartridge.
@briangourley9572
@briangourley9572 2 жыл бұрын
Simular to the U.S. Army Trapdoor rifle and carbine?
@maxpower6765
@maxpower6765 2 жыл бұрын
The action remains me of Samuel Pauly 👌🏼
@CapitanAP
@CapitanAP 2 жыл бұрын
Caseless ammo, huh? So basically developing HK G11 was just turning this musket into a full-auto
@victorbruce5772
@victorbruce5772 9 ай бұрын
Monkey tail butt loader. Fortunately breech loader became the more common term.
@Jakewake52
@Jakewake52 2 жыл бұрын
Nice thumbnail like usual
@dennisjurewicz8321
@dennisjurewicz8321 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, great video as always. But a question and maybe I missed it in the dialog, if it's a papper cartridge, and the musket cap is on or in the paper cartridge.... Wheres the anvil or nipple? Is it part of the projectile?
@edwalmsley1401
@edwalmsley1401 2 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be a cap as we know it today but more of a fulminate pellet stuck the waxed felt base (in lew of a case head) that's why the firing pin was so wide it's more like a liner hammer
@recoilrob324
@recoilrob324 2 жыл бұрын
The 'cap' would have been like a modern primer containing the anvil. Probably more like Berdan than anything else, but considering the inventive nature of Richards there's no telling how clever he might have made it. Would like to see that investigated and might be worth a short video to those interested.
@andywood6376
@andywood6376 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.
@RichardGoth
@RichardGoth 2 жыл бұрын
so it's a Westley Richards that basically fires a Marston cartridge?
@lowellmichels5792
@lowellmichels5792 2 жыл бұрын
Guess I'll watch any video with the word monkey in it.
@adaw2d3222
@adaw2d3222 2 жыл бұрын
What is the difference in rimfire and centrefire in a paper cartridge? Advantages and disadvantages?
@thejackal5099
@thejackal5099 2 жыл бұрын
Metallic cartridges are almost certainly more consistent than paper cartridges, making them more accurate. I'm not sure what all the advantages of centerfire over rimfire are but one of them is that centerfire cartridges can be reloaded.
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