ForHonor - Ranking Heroes by how much they Need a Rework

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7 ай бұрын

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@el_slender
@el_slender 7 ай бұрын
Shinobi needs tweaks 😔
@SpartanNinja-hw5xg
@SpartanNinja-hw5xg 7 ай бұрын
I feel like his undodgeball should be his lights (+confirmed same side light)after a roll instead and a high damage regular heavy (tracks empty dodges). Less Sickle Rain in team fights and more of a hit-and-run type hero.
@LeGabrielMan
@LeGabrielMan 7 ай бұрын
Black Prior :)
@tonson5214
@tonson5214 7 ай бұрын
Just bring his quad/infinite dash back
@SonnySanVista
@SonnySanVista 6 ай бұрын
Sick of Pirate, Afreea, Shinobi, and Orochi being able to do everything and not get punished when you make the correct read. Why does Shinobi need side-heavy undodgeable, unblockable top-heavy and a kick that guarantees a heavy? Doge the kick? Eat this side heavy. wont dodge? eat this kick. Why does Orochi have undodge heavy that deals 20 dmg, chian into back to back and is rather infuriating to parry? Even skilled players i have seen struggle. Why does Orochi have 30 damage side-heavy that is incredibly easy to get into and has a larger hitbox then than Shugo or Raider have to work for that kind of damage. These charecters are just press the win button. My opinion is they are boring to play as because you dont need to think. if they counter something you are fine cause you counter their counter. Rinse and repeat and congratulations you are now facing a full team of bots because Ubi cant be bothered. I would change Shinobi to not have undodgeable heavys and just be normal. orochi storm rush is now a light parry and side heavys dmg reduce to 22 or just the top one is undodgeable. hes an assassin. hard to catch but only really pricks you in a fight. Pirates doge forward heavy is gb susceptible and dodge cancles recovery timing increased to make it a tad slower. no undodgeable light chain. maybe no hyperarmor on the doge forward heavy. Afreea doesnt get a heavy after shield bash. or just make the shield bash non feintable. Why cant warden get a heavy after a tier one bash? im gonna mention some other things. Warmongers' light are not enhanced. Raider lights are enhanced and a hitbox touch up for the heavy and zone attacks. shugo can soft feint into a hug. i wish i could help pk. bp cant bulwark recovery a wiffed bash. perhaps crushing counter on all sides for warden? artisticly he's ugly. those animations need some love. he doesnt look at all like a skilled knight. kensei helm spliter is enhanced. why did breserker even need dodge recovery? Kyoshin chain lights are not undodgeable. Tiandi doesnt need those dodge side undodgeable lights anymore. just make it the top one while leaving the sides normal and more like Sun Da side lights with the crushing counter property. Warlord needs a unblockable. He has nothing to force a reaction and mabye make the shield charge like demon rush from old Shugo. Give Jorm those awesome heavy finisher throws. it awesome to see him smack some poor fool across the battle field. I think thats everything.
@BreezyDylan
@BreezyDylan 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, He has no stamina.
@MugApwool
@MugApwool 7 ай бұрын
I agree with Raider, very balanced if you're not stupid, doesn't need tweaks. A simple, beginner friendly character that can hold his own further on. Nothing more you can really ask for.
@financialproblems9308
@financialproblems9308 7 ай бұрын
all i ask is better drip
@brynntall6811
@brynntall6811 7 ай бұрын
I think the only thing would be to make the soft feint top light not enhanced
@lapusso3704
@lapusso3704 7 ай бұрын
bring back stuning tap
@thedankcloud840
@thedankcloud840 7 ай бұрын
@@lapusso3704real, its a crime it was taken away
@esricomtreras4975
@esricomtreras4975 7 ай бұрын
@@thedankcloud840nah I think it was good that they removed
@FullAdDariusBR
@FullAdDariusBR 7 ай бұрын
I could not agree more about Valkyrie and Raider, both are extremely how they should be, they are perfectly fine.
@whiteshadowsnipi5372
@whiteshadowsnipi5372 7 ай бұрын
Us Conqueror players gotta take Ws where we can take them. Even if it's at the top of a "Needs a Rework" tier list 😎
@juliang2
@juliang2 6 ай бұрын
I played couple years ago last time, and coming back with this conq, very OP, not weak at all
@nthansmith6771
@nthansmith6771 7 ай бұрын
overall not a bad list but i think the fact that you took more issue with the state of ocelotl than the states of shinobi or shaolin is very wild
@SPARTON0Weezy
@SPARTON0Weezy 7 ай бұрын
Yeah Chain damaging bash is dummy annoying and yes if you dodge yer not coming out of that decision undamaged because yer getting: -Feinted to getting parried -Feinted to getting GBd -Hyper Heavy to da nuts -Lighted to da face. Or you didn’t dodge and you just died to the chain bash. SMH And the Ocey’s know how dirty it is too and that’s the reason they pick em lol
@LeGabrielMan
@LeGabrielMan 7 ай бұрын
Shaolin should not be able to miss an attack and still drop me even while im mid dodge
@roseTKz
@roseTKz 7 ай бұрын
I say shaolin js needs his drop attack nerf nd shinobi reflect nerf unlike berserker who is pretty much broken nd hyper amor the hero nd jj who has so many issue dat make him so broken nd annoying to face in the worst way
@shahinrad2073
@shahinrad2073 7 ай бұрын
You are awesome 👌🏻 It would be kind of you to lower the background gameplay sound a little more for the nex video :)
@stuartmccleary
@stuartmccleary 7 ай бұрын
As a Kensei main, I’ve had him rep 70 since s2. I hadn’t considered giving him hyper armor on his soft front heavies I really like that idea. I don’t want more orange moves but being able to maybe trade your way through attack strings would be cool. But not busted
@ImWhyMortalsCry
@ImWhyMortalsCry 7 ай бұрын
Kensei is a W One of the most well balanced and heroes who doesn't fall of
@candycorn-
@candycorn- 7 ай бұрын
only rep 17 or so. making my way there 🫡
@Master_Of_The_Universe
@Master_Of_The_Universe 7 ай бұрын
I despise kensei, thank you for keeping my love hate relationship with this game in perfect balance
@DavidDoesntWashHisHands
@DavidDoesntWashHisHands 6 ай бұрын
Enhanced lights would be a god send
@stuartmccleary
@stuartmccleary 6 ай бұрын
@@DavidDoesntWashHisHands tell me about it. Having your entire kit being shutdown cause your opponent can block lights so now the only thing you can do is hope they don’t read and dodge your bash mix ups
@bullymaguire745
@bullymaguire745 7 ай бұрын
Bruh our chat options need a rework💀
@DanielTrammell23
@DanielTrammell23 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Thanks Thanks
@Shifty-012
@Shifty-012 3 ай бұрын
Good Fight! Good Fight!
@royalswordsman4523
@royalswordsman4523 3 ай бұрын
Sorry! Sorry! Sorry!
@TW-lc3dl
@TW-lc3dl 7 ай бұрын
I’ve always liked how different the game is at different levels of play, after coming back to the game though can’t say the same feeling is there.
@el_slender
@el_slender 7 ай бұрын
its so hard making a tier list knowing it has to appeal to all levels of play, people will complain about things other people have no qualms with, and I take the brunt of it cause its on my video
@anonimoqualquer9422
@anonimoqualquer9422 7 ай бұрын
4:46 thank you for answering my question of the Last video (that another dude also said to me) gaining hyperarmor after his softfeint on the second string is quite a powerful and necessary tweak
@suji4540
@suji4540 7 ай бұрын
As the #3 Nuxia globally. I will be putting out an updated rework idea for Nuxia. Nuxia is very misunderstood and I'll shed some light and help people understand her more and what she thrives off of most in her mix-ups and where her flaws are and how we can correct them. I hope you'll give it a watch once it's out!
@DavidDoesntWashHisHands
@DavidDoesntWashHisHands 6 ай бұрын
I want them to give her dodge recovery cancels and either a quick dodge forward bash that confirms a light (chainable to light on whiff but not able to be dodge recovery canceled) or a fast 600-700ms dodge forward heavy that can be feinted to neutral or trap, this would help her neutral pressure immensely
@preceptorseluvis5704
@preceptorseluvis5704 7 ай бұрын
How woukd you personally feel about giving conqueor nuxia's traps? I feel it would make sense with the weapon he uses and it would give him some complexity.
@tristanlambert658
@tristanlambert658 6 ай бұрын
As a Cent main, he definitely needs tweaks. The kit is there, but sometimes it just doesn’t work and it feels really shitty when that happens. Also I propose him getting the Aramusha treatment and letting him either hard feint his forward dodge heavy or soft feint it into a bash.
@spartan-1210
@spartan-1210 3 ай бұрын
Soft feinting the flying stab into a punch or head but would be awesome
@yunaka_gaming
@yunaka_gaming 7 ай бұрын
As a Warden main: Fuck.
@LeGabrielMan
@LeGabrielMan 7 ай бұрын
As a Warden mains who also plays funny stick lightspam woman: Fuck.
@KoboldBoyX
@KoboldBoyX 7 ай бұрын
I think what peacekeeper needs is for her bash to instead just be a stab with the knife, like how they are putting the unblockable deflect knife stab back to R1/RB, just dodge and if you didn't deflect, still doing a light attack during the dodge, you will do a slow unblockable stab, not as slow as what they gave, fast enough to possibly surprise someone external blocking you, and the time you could start the attack would be faster on a forwards dodge.
@brothatscrazy3418
@brothatscrazy3418 7 ай бұрын
Yeah I use to main LB back at launch on console and played a good bit for the first 3 years but stopped around BPs release. I switched over to PC and would play sporadically. I've come back in the last 2 months and have been playing far more regularly. TBH I have not been the biggest fan of LBs rework but I feel like it pushed him into a better direction. I don't really think he needs much for his kit. I'd like to see better forward movement for his heavies(yes the hitboxes have been increased but the range of them really hasn't and it hurts his ability to team fight), reduce the recovery of his midchain bash(bring them in line with BP as the mid chain bash is 500ms and reactable for high level players), speed up his zone to atleast 600ms and increase the time frame for the stunning tap follow up on his heavies as its kind of absurdly tight right now and obviously add a roll catcher(dumb as hell they never added one in his multiple "reworks"). This isn't related to his kit but I'd also like to see them swap out some feats, primarily his 3rd and 4th tier feats. I have my own thoughts on what they should be but I feel like besides his 4th tier bombs and 3rd tier healing wind the rest of them are just bad or mediocre.
@ImWhyMortalsCry
@ImWhyMortalsCry 7 ай бұрын
I really wantes to get the rep 70 lawbro but I stopped at 13
@brothatscrazy3418
@brothatscrazy3418 7 ай бұрын
@@ImWhyMortalsCry I got him to rep 30 back on old gen console years ago. I switched over to PC FH like 3 years ago and gave been playing other games mainly. I decided to get the characters to rep 8 and have aleady gotten a few to 8 with no issue but have been struggling with getting LB to rep 8. He feels really horrible to play rn.
@duckyduckington9736
@duckyduckington9736 7 ай бұрын
my brother in christ, if they increase the hitbox speed, it completely fucks over the main spending playerbase (console) BP is already MASSIVELY hated, don't fuckin make lawbringer even more hated.
@benniebees
@benniebees 7 ай бұрын
nuxia: People are still reacting to traps. There is 300ms of trap indicator which can be dodged. Dodges instantly remove guard, so you don't even have to be 100ms early like with parries. Remove the indicator completely (or have 200ms of indicator if you really want one so new players aren't so confused). Give her a dodge cancel out of missed traps and remove 400ms lights (just put normal 500ms non enhanced lights there). If the opponent dodge attacks your trap this would let you deflect it.
@curtisharms2411
@curtisharms2411 7 ай бұрын
All I want is for raider to get a ram skull as a helmet I would love that
@RUGER5264
@RUGER5264 5 ай бұрын
Why did they take lawbringers light light chain?
@sydious_s_snake
@sydious_s_snake 6 ай бұрын
Idea for gryph boi, mid chain un-dodgeable lights rather than finisher ones, if they hit, would force the opponent into your kick or side heavy mixup instead of being able to negate it light you currently can with dodge recovs and such
@DanielGreenDGArtworks
@DanielGreenDGArtworks 7 ай бұрын
Some other changes I would love to see are the way dodge recoveries work in this game, for instance... A lot of heroes who have this feature can get a second chance on 50s they failed (especially bashes) which is just completely broken unless you play orochi then you can counter them with undodgeable side dodge attacks. I know you can deal with the second chances if you read the recovery but still dodging out of a punish should not be a thing period. Unblockable miss follow ups too, like what... why? Another thing is any hero who can open with an unblockable attack, raider should have a normal zone and only have his unblockable zone come from his chain mixups. Pirate, Hito and Shugo fall into this category too! Orochi's storm rush needs to be a light instead of a heavy, him getting access to 50s mid chain constantly by either going for a bash or storm rush can be extremely annoying when that damage stacks up. Yes you can just light storm rush but going for interrupts is a guessing game when people cycle it with the bash. Him having dodge recoveries on his missed bash makes it even worse... Also yes..... hyper armour lights can royally gtfo of for honor! Idk, it just seems like a lot of fights with some matchups go on for way too long because of a lot of recoveries and dumb hyper armour chain spam. Its really difficult to break berserkers chain with a gb read because thats all you can really do besides a bash. I mean who wants to spam bashes though... how is that fun?
@ovicam8031
@ovicam8031 7 ай бұрын
Idea for kensei: let us soft feint the second hit of his zone attack with a top heavy that can also be soft feinted into a light, guarbreak or a heavy, and also let us chain the last hit of the zone attack with a heavy
@KhristianBolano
@KhristianBolano 6 ай бұрын
I would love that but stamina is an issue in duels
@RedStinger103
@RedStinger103 7 ай бұрын
I feel like shaman is in the same boat as gladiator? Needs tweaks/high priority for being the oldest character without a rework.
@s0me0neduh41
@s0me0neduh41 5 ай бұрын
I feel like warlord should get a shield punch or bear hug mix up like from the campaign for starters
@yeetmannex194
@yeetmannex194 7 ай бұрын
How are you liking the highlander hero skin? I personally think it's the best one by far, but I'm pretty biased.
@fk.232
@fk.232 7 ай бұрын
How is it the best one? I find it super boring and it kinda looks like a default skin
@Wafflemister
@Wafflemister 7 ай бұрын
Dodge cancels would be perfect for shamen, I find it a little hard to flow into bite after I get someone bleeding (not counting gb throw) dodge canceling into a bite mixup after a bleed stab would be so fun to use.
@maruanghoneim2523
@maruanghoneim2523 7 ай бұрын
Sounds way too annoying to fight tbh
@Paladin_Lawbro
@Paladin_Lawbro 7 ай бұрын
@@maruanghoneim2523agreed
@revolverclassic8248
@revolverclassic8248 7 ай бұрын
Shamans soft feints are so unfun to fight against, I don't want to extend that to her dodges too. No thanks
@derbarbarsemml5055
@derbarbarsemml5055 7 ай бұрын
Yeah i think she deserves that she can cancel into hidden stance after an attack just like all the other hidden stance chars can do. Course its annoying but it would be just fair. And the jumping attacks could be faster, theyre too reactable at the moment and can be easily dodged unlike oros
@duckyduckington9736
@duckyduckington9736 7 ай бұрын
yeah im good. Shaman is gay
@gragasfanclub8068
@gragasfanclub8068 7 ай бұрын
Really cool vids
@benniebees
@benniebees 7 ай бұрын
I'm not sure what you mean with JJ dodge attack "can be used for option selecting". It is giga guardbreakable, so I don't know in what situation this attack option selects. As far as I know this character effectively doesn't have an option select dodge attack.
@el_slender
@el_slender 7 ай бұрын
Chargeable bashes
@IsNotAngelic_TTV
@IsNotAngelic_TTV 7 ай бұрын
Sleeping on the Warden powercreep is wild
@chetchadbourne1743
@chetchadbourne1743 6 ай бұрын
As a Warden main would love to see Ubi give him side crushing counters, having just a top crushing counter always felt odd to me. Also give him a guaranteed same-direction chain light on his top light opener like he has on his side light openers, then he would be complete.
@Kronch_EldevoraE
@Kronch_EldevoraE 5 ай бұрын
Totally agree😭 warden need a buff fr
@DawudSeni
@DawudSeni 6 ай бұрын
It would be weird but if they gave back aramusha his side dodge cancel on heavy wiff then it would cover his weakness on dodge bashes.
@siegwardoftheknightsofcata7530
@siegwardoftheknightsofcata7530 7 ай бұрын
I find this to be a mediocre list and opinion on mant of the heroes but not gonna bitch about it
@PrimeRicci
@PrimeRicci 7 ай бұрын
Whats the worst thing in there in your opinion
@el_slender
@el_slender 7 ай бұрын
this type of list is inherently quite subjective and a lot can change depending on what you expectations for certain heroes are
@PrimeRicci
@PrimeRicci 7 ай бұрын
@@el_slender that is correct
@Roxx_16
@Roxx_16 7 ай бұрын
that is a concerning amount of changes needed
@theotherguy6951
@theotherguy6951 5 ай бұрын
I think Lawbringer’s dodge into shove needs it’s hyperarmor back
@benniebees
@benniebees 7 ай бұрын
Valkyrie: I'd like one small buff to this hero. Currently you can only guaranteed punish dodges (be it an empty dodge or dodge attack) after the chain heavy. Chain heavy blocked or hit leads to an undodgable finisher light that wallsplats. This is quite good offense. But.. when your opponent hits your shield stance and you do the follow up, there is no guaranteed punish for dodges after. Your lights are dodgeable, your bash is dodgeable, and your heavies are dodge attackable all on the same dodge timing. -> after the shield bash followup light ("shield tackle followup"), let the top finisher light be undodgable by reducing the chain links from shield tackle followup to finisher lights. (Side light finishers have guardswitch delay so they stay dodgable) This is a small buff cause you can't use this to wallsplat.
@redfinite27
@redfinite27 7 ай бұрын
what do you mean naruto reject is a glass cannon? he has same hp as other assassins do, minus zerk
@waypoint732
@waypoint732 7 ай бұрын
Personally I would say that zanhu Unblockable is really strong, is fast has a lot of range But what would I know I'm a old gen player
@Dovahki1n
@Dovahki1n 6 ай бұрын
Orochi is probably the most hated character in for honor. It is so ballsy of you to put them at “reached full potential” but you are right about the big hit box. It’s just insanely hard to play defense against orochi which I think is what makes them so hated. Edit: just say the “fuck you” and now I’m subscribing.
@melancholicminerva6370
@melancholicminerva6370 7 ай бұрын
Im rep 65 nobu, and I gotta say, youre completely right. I barely even play her now because there are characters that do what she does but better. Do I know how to utilize every part of her moveset to the max, yes, does it get me consistent wins, no. She has no pressure what so ever, if your opponent can react to your kick you get shut down instantly; you basically have to hope your opponent is just gunning for light parries that you can bait out. I dont know wtf she needs, all I know is, is that something has to change with her.
@luisvaladez8452
@luisvaladez8452 7 ай бұрын
Valk needs a unblockable of be able to feint her sweep something to open ppl up
@collinnicolazzo2065
@collinnicolazzo2065 7 ай бұрын
Finally shows warden where he actually is at the bottom
@ytnbossyz6
@ytnbossyz6 6 ай бұрын
Bro why did they take shinobi ranger guardbreak it may have been annoying but it sure was visually stunning and useful
@gladiatorkingoftheburnings2577
@gladiatorkingoftheburnings2577 7 ай бұрын
I would give raider his dodge gb back but make it so he can't counter out of it and at a small frame you can fb him out of it
@rileyblessed
@rileyblessed 7 ай бұрын
I think Valk needs an opening move besides bash or light/first zone hit, other than that I agree with the list, I wish nobu would be buffed soon I miss playing her, I feel like I’m forced to play Shaolin because he’s better Valk and nobu.
@drollyrancher7020
@drollyrancher7020 7 ай бұрын
They need to bring back the stuns, it was so dumb that they removed it, its like taking out bleeds or unblockables. Stun attacks could mean mixups don't need hyperarmor or unblockables to be viable because you could stun them and hide your next indicator
@benniebees
@benniebees 7 ай бұрын
I think as far as gladiator goes -> there was a dodge attack patch that made all dodge attacks lightparry punishes. For me the issue with gladiator is that it feels like the dodge attack patch didn't apply to him, because I don't differentiate the bash and attack. So all I get as punish when I read that the gladiator option selects is the damage of a dodge attack. While this isn't annoying enough, the character has chain bashes and 400ms lights as well. For me glad is the #1 most annoying hero to fight.
@jacecry8641
@jacecry8641 7 ай бұрын
"Makes a tier list based on fun, puts hitokiri in a purgatory..."
@fk.232
@fk.232 7 ай бұрын
Did you hear what he said? The list is not about fun smh
@bemjanim138
@bemjanim138 2 ай бұрын
Former Glad main here,playing him feels like im playing pre ccu with worse damage but everyone else has has atleast hard to react to mixups with high damage or hyper armor, he does have good ganks like other assassins but his duel capabilities are pretty bad unless you're staring, overall i dont even know how you would buff him because on lower mid level of play he can be an annoying gnat but high level he just doesnt work
@hermanortez982
@hermanortez982 2 ай бұрын
Been maining warlord since day 1. Would love a sword heavy unblockable at the minimum.
@havelthejock3761
@havelthejock3761 3 ай бұрын
The literal biggest problem with warmonger is her dodge heavy. An unblockable extended i-frame dodge attack that deals 24 damage, can be feinted, and can chain into hyper armor on whiff. How are more people not complaining about this? Literally anytime you are outnumbered by a warmonger, they can literally spam the dodge heavy feint to flood you with indicators at literally no risk or cost.
@DanielTrammell23
@DanielTrammell23 4 ай бұрын
i just feel like all the champions that got added after jormungandr are way stronger than every other champion before
@death-thresh9548
@death-thresh9548 7 ай бұрын
Nerf orochi's stamina please for the love of god
@YujinTheDragon
@YujinTheDragon 7 ай бұрын
Surprised you were so kind to Shinobi about his place in the meta when he just recently was literally tournament banned over how hard he breaks the rules of the game.
@el_slender
@el_slender 7 ай бұрын
I dont care for comp, those guys make tier lists based on what unblockable mixups are reactable or not, this is not something you will find in matchmaking 99% of the time
@YujinTheDragon
@YujinTheDragon 7 ай бұрын
@@el_slender I guess that's fair, actually. We need more analysis of the game from a matchmaking standpoint rather than a comp standpoint, carry on then!
@Tricky260
@Tricky260 6 ай бұрын
Honestly if assassins had dodge recoveries like pk where its only certain moves and you can tell which moves are recoverable in the sense that atleast with pk its only dodging out of heavies and the recovery of the bleed feint. Everytime i fight orochi with some like outdated characters warden etc i just feel like its dragged out cause of having to react to a very safe 30,30,30 cause if your even a tiny bit late on dodging the bash and dont make the right read you dont even get a bash off.
@syfonation6524
@syfonation6524 7 ай бұрын
Only a couple things I disagree with. Like Gladiator. PK. Pirate. Shugoki. But I agree for most. Great video as always. Devs definitely watch your videos.
@doombringer335
@doombringer335 7 ай бұрын
Why didn't you put Warden in REWORK?🤔
@kennorflippy3827
@kennorflippy3827 7 ай бұрын
We completely disagree on BP haha, i also made this rework concept like 5 days ago ironically 😂 but if you feel like give it watch maybe it will change your mind (?)
@godobb
@godobb 7 ай бұрын
personally id put shino in needs tweaks just bc hes just not satisfying to fight against or as since the rework. but everything else on this list is spot on
@skippydinglechalk8803
@skippydinglechalk8803 7 ай бұрын
I agree with almost every placing on this list but since warden was my first main im probably a bit biased in saying he isnt boring
@thelads6468
@thelads6468 7 ай бұрын
Can't wait for bp to randomly appear in on next seasons testing grounds
@WeAreViledNation
@WeAreViledNation 7 ай бұрын
I suppose this tier list is for comp play? Or just general? Would be helpful to know. More important to consider the 2nd as fun for 1% at the cost of 99% of players feels bad in my eyes. Should be the other way around. Devs should look more to casual players as they are ultimately the ones who pay most of the bills
@el_slender
@el_slender 7 ай бұрын
General
@maruanghoneim2523
@maruanghoneim2523 7 ай бұрын
Nice list brotha, but please next time don’t put the list in the middle of the gameplay❤️ keep up the good vids
@HaircombMan
@HaircombMan 6 ай бұрын
I thought this video was a tier list on ass 😔 (Shugoki would be S+)
@rage3490
@rage3490 6 ай бұрын
Simple fix for kyoshin. Constant stamina drain on full block. It's not too fast, but enough to where you gotta watch out. Otherwise, you'll run yourself out of Stam Q U I C K
@jesseponce7924
@jesseponce7924 7 ай бұрын
Give warden crushing counter for all sides
@bmorek6442
@bmorek6442 7 ай бұрын
And undodgeable finishers
@IHL2005
@IHL2005 6 ай бұрын
And a 40 dmg heavy parry punish
@drzesaru2648
@drzesaru2648 7 ай бұрын
Orochi's storm rush shouldn't be undodgeable. Shinobi needs a rework where his old range attacks would make sense. Gryphon and Afeera are like rock, paper scissors game sometimes.
@Ruk.14
@Ruk.14 7 ай бұрын
storm rush is a free parry on next gen consoles and pc.
@PrimeRicci
@PrimeRicci 7 ай бұрын
Storm rush is not a problem for most of the community. I would like to see ranged attacks but i think they are too hard to balance. And afeera needs her bash combo wall splat nerfed asap
@zorro8027
@zorro8027 7 ай бұрын
@@Ruk.14 Or a light select also works a lot of the time tbh
@duckyduckington9736
@duckyduckington9736 7 ай бұрын
@@Ruk.14 yeah... definitely not a 33/33/33 move... totally...
@Ruk.14
@Ruk.14 7 ай бұрын
@@duckyduckington9736 It literally isn't. The move itself is completely reactable. It becomes unreactable when used with kick but what do you want? To be able to completely dodge both moves on the same timing? God forbid characters have viable offence
@BBQMikeD
@BBQMikeD 7 ай бұрын
Id argue orochi is in purgatory since all of his attacks are very good and hes intended to be the human form of aids
@FullAdDariusBR
@FullAdDariusBR 7 ай бұрын
Ranking heroes by how much their rework need to be undone S tier: Lawbringer (keep the QOL changes and the stamina control removal tho and SIMPLY add a true roll catcher and a Shove mix-up after a light opener, and maybe make top light opener enhanced and finisher top light 400ms); A tier: Conqueror (REDO HIS ANIMATIONS, remove the infinite unblockable shit, give him only 2 lights chainable, the opener being 500ms and the finisher being 400ms, absolutely unable to chain from the same side, can keep the Full block cancel I guess, change Scutage Collection his Superior Blocks follow-up dealing 15 damage and make Flail Uppercut his Shield Bashes follou-ups dealing 13 damage and do a rework based on your last videos... besides a few options are are too dumb or useless, I mentioned them in your videos, they are just a few, 3 or 4 I guess).
@Crownpanda
@Crownpanda 7 ай бұрын
By the 9 I'm tweakin'
@TheCarrionKing27
@TheCarrionKing27 5 ай бұрын
I will say Orochis chain side heavys are a little over tuned, hitbox needs adjustment or tracking, very un noticed yet its just silly
@mald1225
@mald1225 7 ай бұрын
Give Shaman hyperarmor on her top heavy finisher, and partial armor on her bite (just ignores teammate attacks.)
@mald1225
@mald1225 7 ай бұрын
Also, Ocelotl's heavies should do mostly bleed damage.
@tristanlambert658
@tristanlambert658 6 ай бұрын
What do you mean armour on her bite that ignores teammates attacks? Do you mean being interrupted while going for the bash initially or you mean like having your bite cancelled once it has connected? Because if it’s the latter then absolutely not.
@EeveeEsp
@EeveeEsp 6 ай бұрын
*cries in rep 70 conq*
@gavinatorthegr835
@gavinatorthegr835 7 ай бұрын
Ngl, I think that BP does need a rework. Not becuase of power, but becuase its litterly Kyo before Kyo. Like they are practically identical as charecters that it's sad. And I just feel like Kyo wears the moveset better weirdly enough. I also think BP should be the one that changes becuase he has other more interesting moves that are rarely used that could be brought into more light if handled properly. like dodge forward heavy and the heavy softfeint bash. If BP was built more around those things and bulwark slash, he would have a more interesting identity imo. Maybe a property that allows him to block attacks while using specific attacks, but the moves have an enormous CHB window, or something idk I'm throwing crazy stuff out there. I just think somthing that makes him feel like "the sheild guy" would be cool. But not in a "I only bash" kinda way, more of a "I block with attacks (somtimes bashes) cuz i have a huge fucking shield" kinda way. But I can't really say much, I haven't REALLY played the game since medjay released, so my knowledge is slowly becoming irrelevant.
@derbarbarsemml5055
@derbarbarsemml5055 7 ай бұрын
Is nobody else annoyed by how pirate is able to spam unblockables? Thats a whole new lvl of pressure i personally cannot escape and it comes so damn fast now, efen if i try to light interrupt, she ha s through! I think that sht should be nerfed somehow, make it slower or remove unblockable effect.
@fk.232
@fk.232 7 ай бұрын
Yes I find it very frustrating, when you fight her it's only orange
@spartanpiplup6229
@spartanpiplup6229 4 ай бұрын
BP needs faster heavy into bash and hyper armour on something (possibly dodge light or forward dodge heavy). Not anything to make him op, but he's bad in the trades.
@itsjustwo
@itsjustwo 7 ай бұрын
"Zhanhu: Another one." 🤣 that's it..?
@chickenwingz0w069
@chickenwingz0w069 7 ай бұрын
Finally someone who addresses Nuxia´s zone potential and possible dodge cancels It´s funny, I used to dislike Slanderous, I couldn´t take things with a grain of salt (that plus reddit´s godawful hivemind) but then I started to watch things from a different perspective Good tierlist Slander!
@drollyrancher7020
@drollyrancher7020 7 ай бұрын
For honor subreddits are literally all just yes men echo chambers that think everything is balanced and you just need to "git gud"
@brothatscrazy3418
@brothatscrazy3418 7 ай бұрын
@@drollyrancher7020 To be fair a large portion of people's issues with For Honor is just a skill issue. Not all, but a large portion.
@drollyrancher7020
@drollyrancher7020 7 ай бұрын
@@brothatscrazy3418 yeah. I mean me in my prime i could parry lights, but just coming back to the game after long breaks its like impossible. It takes a lot of time to get used to and unless you're on PC or just play it a lot you won't be parrying lights
@duckyduckington9736
@duckyduckington9736 7 ай бұрын
i just feel like nuxia should have a trap deflect instead, it'd make the most sense imo to have the trap animation and damage.
@brothatscrazy3418
@brothatscrazy3418 7 ай бұрын
@@drollyrancher7020 Yeah but that's just how fighting games are, FH is no exception.
@venturacarmona7672
@venturacarmona7672 6 ай бұрын
Centurion definitely needs tweaking
@mrcoffee315
@mrcoffee315 7 ай бұрын
Hitorkiri is good as it is, it has very low recovery time for his double light and kicks.
@mrcoffee315
@mrcoffee315 7 ай бұрын
not placing nobushi on purgatory is insane
@hunterbarnes822
@hunterbarnes822 7 ай бұрын
Afreea is busted, kyoshit is safe asf, pre rework valk shaolin and conq were so much more fun and only sweats play shinobi/orochi. Brought to you by a r/forhonorrants member
@fk.232
@fk.232 7 ай бұрын
Bruh how the actual fuck was Shaolin MORE fun BEFORE the rework??
@roamingimperial8971
@roamingimperial8971 7 ай бұрын
nah the shinobi placement i crazy.
@utkunkaya8770
@utkunkaya8770 7 ай бұрын
Man i feel like warden needs some love, and i'm not talking about buffs by any means. How would I rework Warden ? I don't know ask fucking Havok and Slanderous, I'm just a normie who loves playing the knight with shiny armor and cool sword. And I don't want to be a history nerd and talk about warden kit is so unrealistic etc. but i would love to do some piercing/thrusting with my sword instead of just you know MISERO
@ezokyf
@ezokyf 7 ай бұрын
Heiðingi?
@ltriberzis
@ltriberzis 7 ай бұрын
I just loooooooooove being rep 70 pk :)
@lobones4373
@lobones4373 7 ай бұрын
Bro berserker does NOT need changes like that dawg 💀
@redtreatrick5265
@redtreatrick5265 6 ай бұрын
Should've written the script
@BankaiChickenNugget
@BankaiChickenNugget 6 ай бұрын
Lawbringer needs a rework a hard one
@emane42
@emane42 6 ай бұрын
I agree with most but give orochi his 3rd light attack back. New heros have multiple light, garanteed parry, etc. Id understand that a 3rd light for orochi could be op but the heavy attacks are very slow. If not a 3rd light at least speed up his heavys
@FullAdDariusBR
@FullAdDariusBR 7 ай бұрын
About Gryphon, the reason why his chain heavies deals only 25 damage it's because it's guaranteed on GB just like Kensei. Imo the only 3 changes Gryphon needs are these: 1) Mind Cleaver (forward dodge heavy attack) becoming feintable; 2) Veteran Kick dealing 26 damage (from 24); 3) Side heavy finisher's damage nerfed to 28 (from 30, too strong in most situations, considering he also have Fury and people can pop Fear Itself or Doom Banner outtanowhere). Those are the absolute only changes Gryphon need to become the most well rounded character, good strenghts, fair weaknessess (long recoveries on finishers and finisher bash) and nothing too good, but nothing bad too, possibly one the best All-rounders of the game if that ever happens.
@duckyduckington9736
@duckyduckington9736 7 ай бұрын
you shouldn't nerf a character based off of OTHER characters. Never let him cook again ;D
@FullAdDariusBR
@FullAdDariusBR 7 ай бұрын
@@duckyduckington9736 But... that's how it works, if they buff the damage of the chain heavy to 26, they would have to make it no longer guaranteed on GB, making heavy opener instead, and what, reducing the damage of the opener heavy to make it to confirm a Light combo tap? Would work, but who uses Gryphon's chain heavies to start with when his Helm Cleaver is one of the best openers of the game to mix-up with his Shove? Both goes directly to his finisher mix-up.
@duckyduckington9736
@duckyduckington9736 7 ай бұрын
@@FullAdDariusBR my brother in christ, if you nerf a character off of other characters feats and kits you suck at game balancing. You ignored all of what i said.
@FullAdDariusBR
@FullAdDariusBR 7 ай бұрын
@@duckyduckington9736 ? What in the hell are you even talking about?
@duckyduckington9736
@duckyduckington9736 7 ай бұрын
@@FullAdDariusBR bro did u look at what i said. read it back to me please
@AtomikRakoon
@AtomikRakoon 7 ай бұрын
*Nobushi: need an I-frames nerf *Kensei: he's already pretty strong hero, it has a lot of mechaniks: several feinst, hitstun lights, Hyper Armor on finishers, dodge cancel, strong feats, cursed hitboxes, and the best is his superior block into GB which ganrantees 27 damage, 34 on wallsplat, and 40 with 2nd feat. Its literally a damage canon with a feint into dodge (attack). Cons: not a viable opener. Give him an opener and choose just one: hitstun or Hyper Armor, not both mechaniks. *Agree with the rest of the list
@welshcrusade1562
@welshcrusade1562 7 ай бұрын
imo, no hero should have dodge cancels after everything. It makes them a lot stronger in duels, but downright busted in teamfights. They are practically impossible to hit, and they've got constant hits coming out. The mechanic needs to be toned down a little.
@Solussimba
@Solussimba 7 ай бұрын
Gladiator is still stuck in the stamina damage/drain gameplay and needs changes to his kit in general, his toe stab knockdown only works if the opponent is OOS which is what Ubi themselves have said they want to stay away from multiple times during streams and on their reworks of jorm and lawbringer. Ubi wants to get rid of the stamina damage-reliant kit but gave up halfway with glad. I say this because they had that mindset during his rework, took away the stam damage from his dodge bashes but kept it on his parry punish. They also forgot that his toe stab knockdown requires the opponent to be OOS similar to pre-rework jorm bash which is now an in chain knockdown for jorm to access his slam without draining the opponent OOS. They rushed too much with Glad's rework and took their time with jorm's. I would much prefer if glad couldn't do stamina damage as they intended with their reworks for Jorm and LB and instead got a guaranteed 9 or 10 dmg toe stab after every successful bash. I would also like his knockdown to be a mid chain bash that you have to charge similar to the warden mix-up, level one and two bash would be the current in chain regular toe stab and a level three bash would be the toe stab knockdown. This would instantly make him as useable as they intended without the stupid half assed stamina bully mentality.
@Solussimba
@Solussimba 7 ай бұрын
and no he should not be able to skewer the opponent after his toe stab knock down I don't know who thought that was a good idea
@Alt0001
@Alt0001 7 ай бұрын
Sure Glad is already dogshit let's make him worse
@MrCole62195
@MrCole62195 7 ай бұрын
i think they should give us old JJ back. i think he was actually more fun
@SHmoogleThe1st
@SHmoogleThe1st 7 ай бұрын
I agree with the Nobushi opinion. I'm a decently casual player but not a bad one too, I know my way around the game since I've been playing for over 5 years, but my biggest flaw is that I am horrible defending myself against lights. Of course that's a me issue, but I don't really want to stare at my screen super concentrated to block every single light, I want to have fun instead. So, because of that, Nobushi naturally destroys me. I do also think bleed should feed revenge, that should've been a thing years ago.
@keeychi
@keeychi 6 ай бұрын
thats only your problem ngl. all lights in the game now are 500ms, if you cant parry them just block
@navid.jfrzadeh6074
@navid.jfrzadeh6074 7 ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more hop devs get it But Valkyrie she used to be one of my favorite heros . She is not fun to play anymore cus of her bash changes . missed the old valk
@BohrokKiller
@BohrokKiller 7 ай бұрын
For me, I want them to revert Lawbringer to before his "rework". Just because this rework ruined the fun I had with playing him. So I no longer consider him as my knight main anymore.
@rhyshuber9981
@rhyshuber9981 7 ай бұрын
Orochis recoveries are too fast imo. It’s impossible to punish them even if they make a mistake
@death-thresh9548
@death-thresh9548 7 ай бұрын
Shinobi and balanced should never be in the same sentence
@Morbysrising
@Morbysrising 6 ай бұрын
Raider needs a rework the most
@Raveolii
@Raveolii 2 ай бұрын
Zerk its balanced🆖️🅰️
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