Agreed!

I got the same impression from him.

Good point.

Lmao! Me too after watching it back 😂

I was so focused on that mug. Glad I'm not the only one! ☕

@@shawndamccormick278 I've got Coffee Skills!

😂

Just spilled mine but it was the whole thing, and it spilled all the way down my throat into my tummy.

Well thank you so much for that! More to come.

@jillcee Just do no harm and be kind. 👍

I really appreciate that!

Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words. I will indeed do more videos telling my story.

I grew up the same way. I’m terrified of church now. I’m still a Christian.

I agree. This was the first stumbling on to this channel.

@@massarassa I don't trust church. My experiences left me aware of the hypocrisies . Then came all of the reports about children being harmed by religious leaders. And now the John Paul Miller situation. It is sickening. I believe in God. I also so totally disagree with confession. That's supposed to be between us and God not with a third party.

@@heatherscott9550 I understand. God is good and I’m now an orthodox Christian, I believe in the Bible but I don’t believe in any preacher etc. I just go by the word of God when it is exposited rightly. Context is key. Being a Christian isn’t bad. And That Miller dude should never be a pastor. That’s what’s sad- do much of what is preached is false. This is the state of the world now- and is prophesied in the Bible. 🩷

New sub here. I look forward to seeing your future work. Love the plants! Very reminiscent of the living room in the 1970’s

How do you know? Because you watched the docuseries? There’s a lot MORE to this than what you saw.

Long story short

Yep!

Her sister is married to a black man.

The other sister who is not in a cult just married a black man with her parents approval, so that theory is out the window.

So sick! In the beginning the parents and sister talk about how much her bf (now husband) from the start when they met him. Her sister is also in an interracial marriage I believe. I was astounded for the audio of Shiin’s sermons telling them to use the race card. So manipulative.

@@yesvember11 it’s very sad. That is something real that a lot of couples have to deal with. For him to have warped their minds to the point that they’re throwing grenades at the family… so sad. And for what? ROBERT?!? The guy that’s exploiting you both for your talents and looks. Smh I just pray they get some help. Hopefully the doc will shake them loose.

Thank you! I appreciate that. More to come.

Pumpkin Spice! 😂

Lol me too.. i kept thinking Hey that coffee is about to spill on your hand! For some reason he couldn't hear me 😂

@@kaycevictoria9947 yes! 😆

Same! Amazing video, but I had to start just listening because it was very distracting 😂

It's ok to always analyze what you believe because the truth is we won't know until we know

Thank you so much!

Maybe you just need to find a church that feels right for you. It shouldn't be about the people but about your relationship with God. I hope you at least still have that.

Def feel the same 😂👌 I've seen enough "demons casted out" 😂

Yep...& I realize that in my belief now...that wasn't of God.

@@MusicInMotion_67 What do you mean by “at least”? Shouldn’t a personal relationship with God be the most important part of being a Christian? Your comment is so patronizing. Religious trauma is real and like any real trauma, no one should be advised to remain in those same circles and risk being traumatized all over again. I truly wish Christians would be able to acknowledge this and respect people’s choices. Even if that means that they don’t worship like you do or stop worshiping at all. You could’ve at least acknowledged her trauma before you fast forwarded to the victim blaming. Not sensing a lot of godly love in your comment.

​@@everrgreen122 wow you read a lot into my comment. You act like only a few have experienced negative experiences within a religious group. I've been traumatized by a Christian church in the past as well, but perhaps the difference is although it hurt, and was humiliating, I realized I wasn't there to please those people who done what they done to me including the pastor who was the primary culprit. I was there to worship God. I left that church and found one that fit me. However, if someone can't find a church that feels right for them that doesn't have to mean an end to a relationship with Christ. So you shouldn't read into people's comments. Perhaps asking their meaning would benefit you. My point in that comment was even though that person was hurt by human idiot people within the church, hopefully they didn't walk away from their relationship with Christ (which is what it's actually about. Or should be) In my opinion, church, the right church, is to learn the Word of God from a Pastor who understands the Bible which for some can be confusing, and being around like minded people (hopefully not just pretenders). But your eyes have to remain open and if it turns out to be dirty for whatever reason, then you leave and either find another one that fits you and that follows biblical teaching and encourages you to read it for yourself and not just take their word for it. But you shouldn't be there for the people. It should be for God even if that means leaving the church (physical building) and continuing your relationship with Christ outside of a physical building or finding another one that better suites you provided someone is strong enough to do so without falling back into sin.

Awe! Thank you!

Amen 🙏🏻

I’m not religious but I appreciated him saying that Jesus is about love, not control and that a legitimate church would teach them to embrace and be close to their family, not cut them off. I’m very interested in hearing more about Timmy’s experience as a cult leader, how he even became a cult leader in the first place, and how he got out of that (as well as how his followers got out of that as well.)

@@yesvember11Keep tuning in, I’ll be telling my story along the way. I just uploaded a video today telling more.

Thank you so much!

That shows his control manipulation

Unless you’re there with the church, you don’t know what’s happening. You’ve only heard from a couple of ex dancers, who have their own agenda and possibly a KZfaq creator who is being sued for defamation and is at risk of losing millions and wants everyone to believe this docuseries to gain public support. Don’t drink the Koolaide. There’s so much more that the docuseries didn’t address or show

It’s how he makes his money though.

Consider not just believing Netflix documentaries; Consider the creator of this series along with Miranda’s family pitched it to NETFLIX. The creator has been in civil litigation for 2 years with SHINN and The Derricks being sued for defamation. Per open court records it would seem she is going to lose her case big time. Since they are in civil litigation with this creator, legally not a good idea to be in a documentary of the person you are suing. Knowing this, how unbiased do you think this series is? Why would Netflix knowingly allow a creator to put together a series knowing they are in civil litigation and it would be in the creators favor to defame, discredit, and destroy the people suing her?

Exactly

It reminded me of Scientology in a way, besides the fact that she was allowed to visit her family in the documentary. It's not about religion. It's about a relationship with Jesus Christ. He is the exact opposite of every cult out there, and even warns us of these types of people.

I really appreciate that!

Thank you so much for your kind words! 😊

​@@timmygibsonkcreally appreciate you putting perspective on this as someone who has been immersed in it!

Also sidenote: I would gladly watch a series of you breaking down religious cults, Like the Shiny Happy People doc about the Duggar family.

Thank you! 😂

I'll be doing a video tomorrow sharing more. Thank you so much for sharing. I've got a lot to say about the things that you've mentioned.

God says come as you are. Meaning if you only have pants wear them if you have skirts you can wear that.

I hear ya! I started as a Youth Pastor in the Assembly of God church, then on to Senior Pastor of a Non-Denominational church. Bro, I feel ya! I will talk more about my story in tomorrow’s video. Stay tuned!

Not true some of the ex members did speak out. So u wanna say they are lying? Edit: some did even speak out who have been sexually assaulted and abused. I mean what u need more?

So they should've damn spoke! What are you even talking about?? Furthermore, some did speak out, so hush!

Are you being so defensive of the so called silence because you are part of this situation or were you paid to stir up doubt? You are failing,.

Did you not watch the second and third episodes? Probably not since you made that statement. Watch the rest of it. Also I feel you are either equally brainwashed or you are making a check for this.

@heatherscott9550 Your comment sounds more like you are being defensive. I can tell that the documentary stuck a chord with you. As it did for myself as well. So I understand why you feel the need to defend your position. The original commenter sounds like they also agree that this is a cult. They were saying that the dancers still affiliated with 7m were given the opportunity to say their side of the story, and that they did not take the chance. So I don't see how the accusation that this commenter is "defending" the cult is being proposed. You may want to reread the original comment.

@@nanaman true true!

@@whatta1501 Thank you! That’s all my wife, she has a green thumb!

Thank you so much! I appreciate that ... I plan to keep sharing my story.

Thank you Sam! It's only being out now for 5 - 6 years that I am really coming to understand just how toxic that fundamental environment was/is. I still encounter people in that world and it's so shocking how they see the world, and that used to be me. Crazy!

They could hire

All those fees are before tax. Does 7m pay their taxes? And even then they take control of the 30%. They even had to ask permission to buy shoes. They were left with $200-$300 per week when they brought in deals of tens of thousands.

They also pay the videographer, rent, etc.

They said it was 20% management fee, which is pretty standard. So yeah, these kids are getting nowhere for their financial future.

Each make over 100,000 miranda probably more.. I'm sad she did great videos with her sister. I wish they'd get out and do stuff with her sister again🎉❤

Appreciate that.

Thank you so much!

Me too! ❤

Yes I hadn't thought about that motivation

Let them know about me!

Yesss!!

Consider not just believing Netflix documentaries; Consider the creator of this series along with Miranda’s family pitched it to NETFLIX. The creator has been in civil litigation for 2 years with SHINN and The Derricks being sued for defamation. Per open court records it would seem she is going to lose her case big time. Since they are in civil litigation with this creator, legally not a good idea to be in a documentary of the person you are suing. Knowing this, how unbiased do you think this series is? Why would Netflix knowingly allow a creator to put together a series knowing they are in civil litigation and it would be in the creators favor to defame, discredit, and destroy the people suing her?

Thank you so much for your kind words.

Thank you so much! I just uploaded a video telling more of my story. ❤

Omg I love you said it!!!

Same here, grew up Evangelical Christian, struggled with the understanding how one can be taught to speak in tongues and it should be a gift from God, laying of hands and touching me gave me the jitters, and so many other things. I am still a child of God and He is my everything, Bible Study on my own is great. The story of a Miranda resonate with me, as I was also a professional dancer, the church saw this as a sin though. 🙏🏻 from South Africa

Thank you for sharing! ❤

She wasn't listening or responding, given the leaders history of SA, the family felt she is in an unsafe environment. They are trying to get him arrested and publicly exposed in the hope that he will be taken away, therefore leaving a space for her to hopefully leave

She is claiming harassment because it will lead to $ in the defamation court case from physiological damages. Doing this publicly is probably advice from, well lawyers.

"If there's no legitimate way to leave and still be fully accepted.... it's a cult" ❤️

Grew up in it and left it... I became a psychedelic hippy after I left and I was shocked that the people I knew on drugs were more "normal" than a lot of charismatic religious people I grew up with. Never saw anybody on shrooms or weed ever start speaking in made up languages (tongues) and convulse on the floor at the same time lmao. It's scary tbh

@@tarah.1648 As a pothead who grew up in evangelicalism, I have to agree lol Damn, I grew up sort of on the fringes of pentecostalism and that stuff was so scary. It's literally like they're not allowed to take drugs, so they induce hysteria themselves and it makes me hurt for the kids so much. I know folks who were told they'd go to hell if they didn't speak in tongues. It just breaks my heart to know folks go through that.

That's it she's probably afraid leaving will destroy her career

Do we truly trust her parents?

Why do you think that her family does, is it based on facts or your opinion?

​@@SoLongMarianne_ her parents trained and raised them to be in show & dance career etc. And Miranda said herself that her sister and family signed them up for brand deals without consulting her first.

Thank you! Feel free to follow me on instagram @timmygibsonkc and message me there, or you can email me: timmyjgibson (at) gmail (dot) com

It feels good to think for yourself. I am glad you got this opportunity.

I disagree. Being a Christian does not equate to being in a cult. However, false church’s that misuse the Bible for manipulation are the ones that are. It’s very sad that people view all Christian’s this way because of people twisting the word of God. I have studied the scriptures and certainly think for myself in what I believe through the lenses of what scripture says.

It’s all good, thank you for commenting! I will do more videos like this knowing people want to hear my story. And of course, we can set up a time to chat.

@@timmygibsonkc Thank you so much for replying Tim.. I would love that. I don’t know if you’re on another platform for contact, but let me know how we can arrange that.

Such good points. My fear is Robert will skip the country and the remaining lemmings who still can’t see him for who he really is, will follow him. I hope they all wake up before it gets worse and reunite w their fams.

Question was there a part I missed whereas the audio was verified by an independent investigator to verify it was SHINN, not doctored, not fake, not manipulated?

@@DeannThomas-le2ut yes, it’s in the doc. Recordings were made by shin and one of his victims

@@ElianaChinea I tried to find if there was independent verification by a credible expert or source to validate the recording were in fact Shinn, not clipped, not manipulated, not taken out of context or edited. All I could find is the producer saying they were given to them by someone involved with the documentary but nothing to verify authenticity. Did I miss something from the film verifying this?

@@DeannThomas-le2ut perhaps you’re not aware of how productions and journalism works but we have to verify and fact check everything before publishing for legal reasons. It’s not a Hollywood movie, it’s an investigative doc handling women’s personal SA stories so they have their own fact checking process internally. If you’re asking this because you don’t believe the victims experience then that’s on you.

I think I saw that! I once met and spoke with a former member of Heaven’s Gate!

@timmygibsonkc How interesting, were they glad they got out when they did 🙂

I fix that! ha ha

Thank you so much! I will do a video explaining my journey.

Thank you! Cute Cat, By the way!