Former Post Office boss says he didn’t know they were prosecuting hundreds of subpostmasters

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3 ай бұрын

Two former Post Office and Royal Mail bosses have told the Horizon inquiry they did not know the Post Office was prosecuting hundreds of subpostmasters itself.
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The Inquiry also heard that former managing director Alan Cook had blamed "subbies with their hand in the till" for accounting discrepancies - a phrase he said he would regret for the rest of his life.
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@dereksawle 3 ай бұрын

Another former POL boss apologising, not because they care, but because they have been caught - sickening

@199019852007 3 ай бұрын

So that woman served three years in prison put some of these big bosses in jail for three years

@leroysimon5692 3 ай бұрын

👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾

@MrBoggins1234 3 ай бұрын

💯% don't stop with PO.... Fujitsu European leaders are at the heart of this also....

@geoffwright9570 3 ай бұрын

How do these people get employed when they have no idea what they're supposed to be doing or what their staff are doing.? they're just taking their money and ignoring what's happening in their own office.

@MrBoggins1234 3 ай бұрын

@@geoffwright9570 because of greed/ bonuses

@njp100 3 ай бұрын

I am astounded by the dignity of all the sub postmasters. Completely at odds with those being cross examined.

@robsengahay5614 3 ай бұрын

They have obviously realised that the only defence they have left is to say that they are dumb and stupid rather than evil.

@annalisavajda252 3 ай бұрын

Incompetent and or corrupt.

@andydudley1775 3 ай бұрын

he had a borris and a rishi that acted the same over party gate .they are not in jail either.

@charlesevans2701 3 ай бұрын

@@andydudley1775 That was on the gullible, selfish and cowardly British population.

@ollywright 3 ай бұрын

It's the CEO's responsibility to know what's going on. If they don't, that's them failing in their responsibilities. They are liable.

@Doug791 3 ай бұрын

Yup.

@WhichDoctor1 3 ай бұрын

in tory Britain it seems like if you're rich you can just claim gross negligence or incompetence to get out of any problem and suffer no consequences for it

@DrMontague 3 ай бұрын

Let us face the real facts. The people vote in scum governments who in turn give jobs to their lying scum cronies None will go to jail or be fined, most people have now forgot about Grenfell Towers

@leroysimon5692 3 ай бұрын

👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾

@barnigranero5882 3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Whenever anyone questions the salary of CEO's and anyone on the board of a company, we are told: "They are experts who make the company successful, they deserve it for their expertise. Also they are legally culpable if something illegal happens or staff are hurt through company negligence, therefore some of the pay is danger money for taking on that risk". If that is the case then we need to see consequences because they can't claim ignorance and the high pay and they can't claim legal immunity but take the rsk money. This needs to be highlighed the next time that a public body employs a director on a high salary but the government refuses to raise the pay of the staff.

@poni7373 3 ай бұрын

It is unthinkable that this wasn’t discussed in board meetings.

@janeday9148 3 ай бұрын

Alan Cook like the other senior Post Office bosses were only interested in their large salaries & large bonuses they chose not to look closely at the horror that was being inflicted on the Sub Postmasters , plus if it's true that a percentage of the money that the Sub Postmasters were told to" pay back" went into the bonuses of senior Management that surely is criminal, it is almost beyond belief the level of casual cruelty & lazy incompetence at the CEO level & our Government is beyond words

@jeffmcninch6563 3 ай бұрын

They should pay for the Inquiry and pay the subpostmasters compensation from their Royal Mail pensions.

@chrisskelton2067 3 ай бұрын

And now they add insult to injury by prevaricating, obfuscating, delaying, making laughably small offers of compensation. This government is beyond belief in how it is continuing to mismanage this sordid business

@barryscott6222 2 ай бұрын

What makes you think that any other Govt dept is any better - they are ALL lazy and incompetent.

@MrDeadhead1952 3 ай бұрын

I'm sorry but I was an ordinary postie in the 70's and I knew the Post Office conducted it's own prosecutions as well as insuring it's own vehicles. So if I knew this as an ordinary posties there is no way a member of senior management didn't know.

@andydudley1775 3 ай бұрын

looks like they was employed not to know .so how many not to knows do we have in high paid jobs like the nhs as at this moment i count one puala vennals.

@priscillaroberts7945 3 ай бұрын

Dido Harding is another. @@andydudley1775

@priscillaroberts7945 3 ай бұрын

@@andydudley1775 loads, Dido Harding for one.

@mariewalmsley6143 3 ай бұрын

They don't want fake apologies ,they want justice which means you should be in jail for perverting the course of justice.

@cosmoray9750 3 ай бұрын

Learn from History? .... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a5eUmd2L3K2ze2w.html

@nelsonclub7722 3 ай бұрын

Him "I can't be more apologetic" Me: How about six months?

@thehellyousay 3 ай бұрын

60 months would be more appropriate.

@HelenBlack-sn7ke 3 ай бұрын

Anyone applying for a management job at the post office only need to write on their CV, "Happy to lie" and they will be a shoo in.

@gherkamum 3 ай бұрын

Its funny how they didn't not know what was going on.... I just dont believe a word they all say.....How could they sleep at night.

@brianlopez8855 3 ай бұрын

Psychopaths never have trouble sleeping.

@kingayman5225 3 ай бұрын

Genuinely baffles me that the people wrongly convicted go and serve a life changing sentence. Whilst the real criminals get an inquiry and cup of complementary coffee 😕

@suzilouden5964 3 ай бұрын

Every one is a LIAR...🤥🤥🤥

@henkmagnetic3103 3 ай бұрын

@@suzilouden5964 However, some lies have more serious consequences for some.

@poneill65 3 ай бұрын

Sorry, there's an error in your video title,.. should read "Ex Post Office Boss is a liar"

@cherrytraveller5915 3 ай бұрын

He makes Pinocchio look like an amateur.

@postcardsfromprotest 3 ай бұрын

They are all lying. That's what people involved in a cover up do. They tell the lies without even flinching. Only criminal charges and a trial before a jury will ever hold them to account.

@kevinwilliams1768 3 ай бұрын

well said

@leroysimon5692 3 ай бұрын

👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾

@andydudley1775 3 ай бұрын

Sadly we be breaking comunity standards and you tube would be silencing another out raged member of the public .they also been trying to do it on the sly .i found out trying to reedit stuff and it not let me correct grammer.so i tried to reply to my own comments only to find i cant i refreshed page to find it missing .and all i said we .the justice system and judges been asleep fr 20 years and other words to that effect .so i screen saved the inacent comment presented it several times to youtube .I been screen saving the complaints for my own protection.this is how media works to cover up goverment crimes for 20 years .look at the effort here what and who was that for .just like the P.O. ceo once caught they go silent.

@ibjensen8120 3 ай бұрын

Allan Crook, he should be put in prison!

@fintamaria2429 3 ай бұрын

You look at the face of this post office boss and you see him answering questions with a scowl, as if he is a little God, the boss does not obey the law. The law is for the poor. It laughs in our face!

@t.dmytryshyn2615 3 ай бұрын

Ignorance is no defense under the law, they should have known therefore they are responsible and should be charged.

@lowlightevangelist9431 3 ай бұрын

Amen. No plausible denial

@jerrysmith2360 3 ай бұрын

3:05 “they should have said something “. That’s trying to blame the victim. The truth is overpaid executives like Crozier couldn’t be bothered to listen.

@Canadian_bear 3 ай бұрын

Crozier is a company man. Once he was the head of the post office worker union and stabbed us in the back. Trust me he knew what he was doing.

@jerrysmith2360 3 ай бұрын

@@Canadian_bear he’s been the head of three organisations that mean something to me ( and probably most people) the FA, Royal Mail and ITV. I viewed him as an overpaid lightweight at the time even though he was getting lauded. He seemed to be doing SFA for his wages.

@Canadian_bear 3 ай бұрын

@@jerrysmith2360 it seems there’s culture in management that they take care of their own and that they promote people for the incompetence hence the CBE for Vannellls. Crozier and his ilk have been well schooled by the legal team to say very little and use the common phrase ‘I knew nothing what was going on..’ Trust me they are trying to hide the paper trail of guilt. If it weren’t for the whistleblowers a lot of communications would still be concealed

@jossym 3 ай бұрын

Don't want to sound like I'm team Crozier here because I'm certainly not, but I was watching the enquiry live when he was on and his remarks here are actually about the PO management and executives ("they"). He said part of the problem (in hindsight) was the PO and Royal Mail having separate boards, so RM relied on information coming from the PO execs to keep them up to date on anything relevant/important. Regarding Horizon, he's saying none of them (the PO executives/management) ever expressed to him any worries over its ability to function properly at all. One of the lawyers representing some of the subpostmasters picked him up on this near the end by saying the subpostmasters certainly said something but nobody would listen to them.

@andydudley1775 3 ай бұрын

it would cost him his job to listen . cost davey jobs to listen borris did not know he was at his own birthday party .

@historex54tamiya 3 ай бұрын

These MUST go to prison!

@grantwallace1882 3 ай бұрын

I was aware that there was a problem with the Horizon system so why weren't the suits!

@annettealexander3673 3 ай бұрын

They didn't know. They don't recall we are so sorry if you were hurt. .really no accountability .the pain and financial ruin that they cause to people .just freaking ridiculous they should be prosecuted with the same vigor they imposed on their victims

@markmasterson4811 3 ай бұрын

Okay then, is Mr Cook giving up any of his capital assets as part of and to back up his apology?????

@normanwatson9056 3 ай бұрын

are these post office execs going to stand trial for lying under oath?

@wickedwitchoftheeast88 3 ай бұрын

Probably not senior management are never held accountable for their actions look at the Lucy Letby case the senior management supported her and walked away scott free

@suzilouden5964 3 ай бұрын

Justice will only come for the SPMs when the WHOLE management team are arrested & convicted for their part in this wilful dereliction of duty....🤬🤬🤬

@stephenbarrett8000 3 ай бұрын

He said he regrets what happened under his watch. He should regret it from a Prison cell. But that doesn't ever happen to people like him though, does it?

@grahamsclater9988 3 ай бұрын

Incompetence at the highest level.........

@thehellyousay 3 ай бұрын

criminal negligence.

@pauls9189 3 ай бұрын

It's now the hallmark of Brexit Britain....... Brexit was all about crushing the little guy and making huge corporations like the PO more powerful - that's where the money is, so that's who the Tories help. No point helping little people, there's no money coming back from them.

@Setinmywaysalways 3 ай бұрын

How is it in any way possible, that you are the Managing director of a business, but do not know what its responsibilities are? They can try to absolve themselves from Blame, but when you Enjoy that type of Remuneration, the Buck stops with YOU.

@lisadefries6718 3 ай бұрын

Why didnt he know ? How much was he paid? What level of incompetence is he displaying? Ridiculous that he didn’t know CPS not making decisions. Given volume of people being convicted didn’t that send alarm bells ringing…….why all of a sudden did sub post masters take to crime? Couldn’t possibly be a faulty IT system?

@BLUESKY-zt1nv 3 ай бұрын

No thats right , he did not know , just like he did not know that the Post office dealt with letters and parcels.

@anthonychappell9409 3 ай бұрын

He's sorry?...Sorry is not enough

@EthanZoid 3 ай бұрын

Put in prison, wouldn’t know if he was in it 😂

@punditgi 3 ай бұрын

Unbelievable! 😢

@paulclark9968 3 ай бұрын

So for over Three years he sat round his board room with all his manager's and not one person ,talked , mentioned or even farted about sub-postmaster / mistress prosecutions , what a load of Cr

@maz-nz7ev 3 ай бұрын

Seize e-mails, minutes,, make arrests, because these were malicious prosecutions, and see how the ‘duh, what am I like?’ ignorance defence stands up in court. Short, televised discomfort is not enough.

@damianleah6744 3 ай бұрын

They just treated All post masters as thieves with their fingers in the till. Unless the post masters could prove their innocence, which with a bent computer system they couldn’t.

@richardtacey4131 3 ай бұрын

Get them all sewing mail bags 😂😂

@theobserver2309 3 ай бұрын

Yes, yes...

@postcardsfromprotest 3 ай бұрын

It really is amazing how all of these bosses claim they didn't know anything. You have to wonder just what they were being paid to do exactly!

@philhart4849 3 ай бұрын

It's called "culpable incompetence".

@GraemeMurphy 3 ай бұрын

He was laughing today on a number of occasions. We need to remember that when he and the other "professionals" are tried for contempt of court and perverting the course of justice.

@yiabwstetienne7474 3 ай бұрын

Collective amnesia again......

@reamoinmcdonachadh9519 3 ай бұрын

He didn't WANT to know is probably closer to the truth, and if he knew that the system provided by Fujitsu had 'issues' and knew the nature of those 'issues' then he is culpable by continuing to prosecute.

@philsaunders65 3 ай бұрын

When the chairman of the enquiry intervenes to cross-examine you, you know you’re in deep trouble

@anthonywilson8998 3 ай бұрын

Most ordinarypeople knew this was going on and we’re is disbelief at the sheer numbers and how it was impossible so many would be stealing. from a well audited body,with weekly checks on all finances.

@ginny9311 3 ай бұрын

He most certainly did.

@benwilson6145 3 ай бұрын

Captain Smith on the Titanic. "No one told me I was on a ship!"

@bobenever1322 3 ай бұрын

Other than the CPS, (was the police force) it was known that the Post Office had the power to bring a criminal prosecution. It is unbelievable that a CEO did not know.

@dukenukem5768 3 ай бұрын

I thought everyone knew that computer systems can have glitches - it should have been the first thing to check. Computer glitches used to be a standing joke. So how is it that these senior people running a large company were not be aware of that simple fact? They are either gross incompetents or gross liars. Take your pick.

@blindfreddy9157 3 ай бұрын

The law is for thee and not for me.

@user-rt2ri5ft5v 3 ай бұрын

Alan Cook wouldn't recognise the truth if it hit him in the face.

@noeleneroodt783 3 ай бұрын

I hope the victims sue them for everything

@judyr9789 3 ай бұрын

Where was his head, under a rock?? He was in charge, so no excuse. I don't even live in the UK and this injustice angers me!! They should all be prosecuted and sent to jail just as they did to the workers!!

@TheOMT 3 ай бұрын

The senior hierarchy of the postal service have proven themselves incompetent in (and ignorant of) their roles at the very best.

@paulharrison9030 3 ай бұрын

It’s extraordinary that these senior managers didn’t know(or say they didn’t know) all of the functions of their organisation

@sirloin8745 3 ай бұрын

Where did the lawyers fees go, did he think? 🤔

@lesduncan2795 3 ай бұрын

My opinion is they knew, they were aware but saw an out to recoup funds to cut the shortfall of mismanagement. They weren’t entitled to all that money stolen from the Sub Postmasters but avarice seems to be the norm in this enquiry.

@davidlawton7845 3 ай бұрын

Poor bloke should get a very high compensation award.

@paulbrightwell3621 3 ай бұрын

“My instincts tell that, in a recession, subbies [sub-postmasters] with their hand in the till choose to blame the technology when they are found to be short of cash,” - that should be put on his tombstone. The cheek of the man in telling the inquiry that despite him being prepared to state his views in writing - that they did not reflect his views of spms. One has to ask whether these people have no shame - is lying to them is like breathing - they do it without even having to think about it? For him to apologising now means absolutely nothing 0 he's only saying sorry because he's been caught. I don't believe its sincere

@StephenLoxton 3 ай бұрын

It is implausible that one can be MD and not know that the PO could decide on its own prosecutions.

@nickwilliams8302 3 ай бұрын

"I didn't know." isn't a defence when it was your _job_ to know.

@iplanes1 3 ай бұрын

I am following this from New Zealand. There must be prosecutions. Hwoever, I have not yet figured out where the money that was supposedly stolen has actually gone. Whose pockets were being lined?

@patricknewall5634 3 ай бұрын

They, the ones who get the top salary packages, always trot out the same old excuses. Then offer snivelling, meaningless apologies in the hope it will show them in a good light. Well, it won't wash these days because the public have heard these ' Oh! I've been found out' apologies far too often now.

@fireskycam9889 3 ай бұрын

Every person in charge of the Postal Service during this timeframe must be considered a national disgrace.

@user-ck8zu9tm1o 3 ай бұрын

I see hubris of the highest order from those at the top of Post Office and some belated half arsed apologies. Or maybe, with them saying things like "I didn't know" or " I was unaware" means a high degree of stupidity amongst those at the top. I believe I also see cowardice amongst those at the top.

@JB-vr1vz 3 ай бұрын

No, he knew nothing, they all knew nothing. No one at the PO or Horizon knew anything……..amazing. They must all be quaking in their boots as the pigeons come home to roost!

@chrisfell5073 3 ай бұрын

I cannot believe that he said they should have bought it to someone's attention. To give that answer he has not even followed the enquiry. He was at best negligent. Hubris, arrogance. They must be all pyscopaths.

@woges5093 3 ай бұрын

I know what I want to see.

@version736ha2 3 ай бұрын

Public flogging?? Of the Post Office senior leaders???

@nickoforesta5788 3 ай бұрын

Heads on pikes?

@JoelJoel321 3 ай бұрын

What a lot of horseshit.

@clivewakley3901 3 ай бұрын

I saw nothing - I know nothing - I was just following orders. Seems I have heard similar excuses before guys.

@fireskycam9889 3 ай бұрын

Every conviction must be quashed as there's no way they can guarantee that any conviction is sound.

@Lizann63 3 ай бұрын

I tell you something what happened in my personal life I was attacked in my job working for Argos years ago now accused of stealing £400! Out of my own till! The IT man was called in they found an error in the system I was so annoyed and I didn’t even get an apology! Humanity are sickening at times! This is just another example of false accusations!

@richardgiles2484 3 ай бұрын

Alarm bells should have been ringing for the MDs and CEOs as to why and how could they have possibly employed that amount of wrong people 😢

@sallyhobbit1956 3 ай бұрын

Its not my fault Gov honest! B.S

@brianlopez8855 3 ай бұрын

"Now that I've apologised, can I go now ?"

@davidhowell7624 3 ай бұрын

The title should say, Former Post Office boss admits to incompetents.

@robertstorey7476 3 ай бұрын

How on earth can he claim not to know the PO did its own prosecutions?

@dardobartoli 3 ай бұрын

So the single biggest expenditure on the companys is supposedly not on the CEO's radars...

@oreste6076 3 ай бұрын

love the MANSLAUGHTER Conviction Idea very much

@CodeCancerLab 3 ай бұрын

When will the bosses be sent to prison ? Their apologies are not enough, how did they not know they were sending people to prison, who signed off the lawyer fees to do so ? This is madness

@blackflag_N1 3 ай бұрын

They are never aware of anything..yet they are CEO and managers

@_Ben4810 3 ай бұрын

Did Alan Cook ever realise you could buy a birthday card, sellotape & postage stamps from the Post Office also...?!? 🙄🤔😒

@gogovideo10 3 ай бұрын

Honestly, the fact that he says he didn't know they even had the power to prosecute while being the MANAGING DIRECTOR of the organisation shows that he had no clue what he was doing. I would say at that point you are being criminally negligent if you're unaware of the scope that your operations have and the impact that has on people's lives.

@userxyz64 3 ай бұрын

If they didn't know of the problems, then they are liable.

@andygreen2618 3 ай бұрын

Looks like the only work these senior managers had to do was to collect their salaries and expenses. The government really needs to claw back these monies .

@ambmainman 3 ай бұрын

But wait a minute.... this Post Office boss looks down on people and lies with such ease.....its almost like he did it his whole career.... but oh dear.... now he's literally been exposed doing it in writing .....and what an astonishing coincidence..... that he totally forgets the events or avoids answering questions that are legally bad for him.... but then surprisingly remembers all the things that aren't.

@keithm6117 3 ай бұрын

It's clear Alan Crook has done his very best to appease every one during today's enquiry, effectivly owning up to be a blithering, sniffling idiot in an attempt to hang into that huge pension he's recieving along with all those bonus payments. There should be another enquiry as to who employed these "so called" intelligent people in the first place...

@thebeesnuts777 3 ай бұрын

My instincts tell me i will win the lottery, hasn't happened in 20 years

@Jamesherd-po6ez 3 ай бұрын

How can a man like Allen cook have sat back and let this happen?,he is a disgrace.

@honorw4125 3 ай бұрын

What are they apologising for if they didn't know!? The fact they are apologising means that they did know, are guilty and are now realising they face jail too!

@jempro1674 3 ай бұрын

Adam Croziier needs to be jailed. Now!

@ghjgjihjgjyrdrgydsgr137 3 ай бұрын

All going to jail.

@beaubrent 3 ай бұрын

You don't get all the power, all the money, all the prestige of being a director but none of the responsibility. That's not how it works. To the jail!

@annalisavajda252 3 ай бұрын

Well why is willful ignorance a defence if they didn't know they ought to have known.

@kevinaub 3 ай бұрын

A robot could show more concern and sympathy that these thugs.

@paulbrodie6085 3 ай бұрын

The government will protect them till the end sadly no one from The Royal Mail will ever get jail time

@pastyman001 3 ай бұрын

Post Office bosses can have their own little unit in prison and be given a job for pocket money...sewing mail bags

@sleepy-beagle 3 ай бұрын

the only think Post Office bosses are sorry about is that they have been caught

@peterjackson2625 3 ай бұрын

Apologies are cheap. What is needed is proper compensation. Treble for those who were sent to jail.

@danielhayes6463 3 ай бұрын

Well said , full accountability

@donaldchapman5466 3 ай бұрын

Post Office bosses at this time seem to have their HEADS in the SAND !! Not knowing what is happening in the business they are SUPPOSED to be running !!

@lffit 3 ай бұрын

My word what an admission, how could have so many of them were found guilty when there would not have been a paper trail to follow of what they did or spend with the 'missing' 'money?

@davidwhitehouse2162 3 ай бұрын

It really beggars belief that this former boss didn't ask where all the extra cash that boosted his salary, came from, or if there was any more heading his way. you do tend to notice when your wages gets a surprising boost.

@nalodailec 3 ай бұрын

So apart from counter staff and subpostmasters not one single member of staff employed at the post office had a clue what they were doing. Why is the post office being allowed to continue to exist as a brand?

@gbulmer 3 ай бұрын

Wrongful imprisonment is a crime. Post-Office executives should be charged and tried accordingly. AFAICT, the Police (who can legally detain suspects) may be liable for £thousands for less than 24 hours. So I'd expect harsher punishment for Post Office executives for each day, of every person who lost their liberty. Incompetence is not an adequate defence. The Post-Office did not need to prosecute when they knew 'Horizon' had bugs.

@m.p.6039 3 ай бұрын

What did it matter what the Post Office said, if the accused never took a penny? The courts should have found them innocent because they didn't take the money. Or is the Post Office the same thing as the courts of Justice, like in the days of the Inquisition when there was no separation between the Church and the State?