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Forming Curves in Balsa - Sheeting made Easier - RC Model Aeroplane Build & Repair

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Mark Robinson

Mark Robinson

Күн бұрын

A quick and easy method to form curves/bends in balsa, so making sheeting of wings and fuselages easier, or even for custom cowls! In the video I am using am Ammonia based cleaning liquid, which contains Ammonium Hydroxide 0.185% W/W. The ammonia softens the lignin in the wood, which allows the balsa wood to be shaped/formed. The shape is then retained once the wood dries.

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@Helmet_Tester
@Helmet_Tester 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Mark! Great video and looks much easier than soaking in water and waiting for everything to settle back into shape. As far as people worrying about loss of strength You could coat the balsa with epoxy mixed with some denatured alcohol making it almost the viscosity of water. The wood soaks it up and presto, added strength. Cheers!
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment and the suggestion, greatly appreciated
@CESARBREMERPINHEIRO
@CESARBREMERPINHEIRO 2 жыл бұрын
I use the older and known water, works fine.
@RexDaRaindog
@RexDaRaindog Жыл бұрын
6:54 this is exactly what I came here for, brilliant! Cheers and thank you!
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 Жыл бұрын
Excellent, pleased you found it helpful
@BillyG869
@BillyG869 3 жыл бұрын
As you wet one side that side expands as it absorbs the moisture. So the wet side grows longer. Window cleaners like Windex contain both Alcohol and Amonia, great for the modeler’s bench for many uses. I also use it for both Silkspan and Silk when covering. Over time the fibers in the wood do relax and the stress lessens. Just make sure it glued well and there are plenty of formers under the wood. Great job
@sericono9077
@sericono9077 9 ай бұрын
Very useful. Thanks for sharing the tips and making the video. Greetings from Canada.
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 9 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! 😀
@KevinsModels
@KevinsModels 4 жыл бұрын
I love that technique! Thanks for demonstrating. I’ve tried doing that with plain water in the past, but noticed it leaves the wood a little weaker afterwards, whereas, the ammonia does a better job of maintaining the strength.
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, really pleased you like the video and found it useful
@CliffHarveyRCPlanes
@CliffHarveyRCPlanes 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark, who would have thought it, a bloke finding a use for cleaning fluid 😁
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha, couldn't possibly comment!!
@bartbaddie347
@bartbaddie347 Жыл бұрын
I use rubber bands instead of the scotch tape; if the wood doesn't fit the precise curvature initially, it will bend a tad more as the fluid soaks in.
@keithcarter9396
@keithcarter9396 4 жыл бұрын
Good information right here, thankyou for sharing your methods.
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 4 жыл бұрын
Pleased it was helpful, appreciate your comment
@douglascloud4484
@douglascloud4484 3 жыл бұрын
very nice thanks for this tip
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the comment, pleased you like it
@NormanLedoyen
@NormanLedoyen 4 жыл бұрын
Nice Mark.
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@grahambate3384
@grahambate3384 2 жыл бұрын
Nice idea
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment 😀
@Tom-wl9sx
@Tom-wl9sx 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are really great 👍
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@RCTruck1688aa
@RCTruck1688aa 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing cool
@vasili1207
@vasili1207 4 жыл бұрын
Wow impressed
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, appreciate the comment
@vasili1207
@vasili1207 4 жыл бұрын
No thank you, I wanted to try skinning a foam wing with balsa and obviously heat is a issue, I know steam works well , but it's hot and wet 🤦🏼‍♂️ Obviously but if I can just do it wet that's half the struggle 😂👍 . Only built a few gulillows planes so I am trying to step up with the big boys
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 4 жыл бұрын
Good luck with the sheeting, do you have the top and bottom waste piece of foam from when you cut the wing, if so use them either side of the wing to hold the balsa in place, with weights on, as they will obviously have the perfect profile
@JeffPhillips2014
@JeffPhillips2014 2 жыл бұрын
smart
@michaelclarke4629
@michaelclarke4629 Жыл бұрын
Damp it with water and use heat gun
@samdavis5828
@samdavis5828 4 жыл бұрын
Mmmmmm, Spare ribs, yum
@georgesmith4509
@georgesmith4509 3 жыл бұрын
A good video. I started with ammonia then quickly switched Windex. Now I use ordinary white vinegar which I find more pleasant to use. you can use it to form medium balsa at 90degrees to the grain I recently made a couple of Nacelles 50mm diameter 30mm long out of 2mm balsa with the grain going around the circumference and the joint butt glued. after they had dried they cut to fit the wing mounts there doesn't seem to be any loss of strength in the material, but it is a static model not subject to vibration or handling
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there, thanks for the information, always good to hear what others are doing
@georgesmith4509
@georgesmith4509 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkRobinson555 Question: why are you using such heavy sheet on your leading edge? By the look of your wingspan I'd have 1.5 would have bee sufficient to save weight. Especially as the aircraft seems to have a l/e stringer
@georgesmith4509
@georgesmith4509 3 жыл бұрын
Mark I didn't point you need to saturate the wood (brush it on is good enough) and leave for a minute or 2
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 3 жыл бұрын
Essential I went for the 2.5mm sheeting because I was following the plans, but you are right it did seem heavy and slightly over the top, but having said that It was a solid build and it flew well.
@georgesmith4509
@georgesmith4509 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarkRobinson555 looks like a top job
@silicononsapphire5102
@silicononsapphire5102 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. Always good to know of the odd trick or two :-) Have you tried it on the tissue coverings. It may act like a starch.
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for taking the time to comment, its really appreciated, pleased you enjoyed the video. No I have not tried on tissue, sorry
@CryhavocMike
@CryhavocMike 4 жыл бұрын
Two things I'd like to comment on, 1) Molding the wood before gluing the piece on like your doing is absolutely the correct method. Too many times I see instructions where they ask you to glue down one edge then wet the wood and bend it into shape while gluing it down. Only to see a "starved horse" look in the balsa after it has dried. Wetting the wood also expands it. It then shrinks back up when it dries. So if you glue it down in the wet condition, it will shrink between the unsupported sections, like ribs on a wing or bulkheads on a fuse, when it dries. Like plastic covering would when you shrink it up. So kudos to you for showing the right way to do it! Mold, let dry fully, then glue it on. 2) Whoever told you Ammonia weakens the balsa is complete bullshit. Especially when using Windex or the cleaner you are using as the amount of Ammonia is negligible. It might make a bad day for germs but that's about it. I've been using this method for nigh on 30years now and I have NEVER experienced "weakened balsa". In fact, before the internet, no one batted a single eye for using this method. Post internet, and morons just have to insert their 2cent opinion. Maybe they didn't get enough attention as children. In any case, soaking in plain hot water works well too if anyone is worried about it. In full scale, we steam soak spruce lengths and it bends around forms like paper.
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking time to comment, I really appreciate it and your support.
@mauriceolivares9287
@mauriceolivares9287 3 жыл бұрын
use water on wood works also but takes more time to dry out
@MrSorin1959
@MrSorin1959 4 жыл бұрын
You can use water without problem , put water only on the outside bending part , it works great try and see .
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 4 жыл бұрын
Yes you can use water, I have in the past, but using an ammonia product makes it easier and is kinder on the wood, particularly when drying out.
@bsg-wrencha-snake2676
@bsg-wrencha-snake2676 4 жыл бұрын
I cant tell if he's Australian or British. Love the video
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahah, definitely a Brit! Really pleased you like the videos, and really appreciate you comment.
@stephencox4718
@stephencox4718 2 жыл бұрын
NNNooooo any type of cleaner will restrict any adhesive/glue that you will be using to attach the sheet to the model's framework! Just use a small amount of clean hot water or steam will do the job for you along with a preassembled jig to keep it to the shape till it dries! Keep it simple stupid is the best rule of thumb when it come to craft modeling!
@muharremcetindag1529
@muharremcetindag1529 2 жыл бұрын
Does this technique work on 2mm balsa?
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that will work fine 😀
@muharremcetindag1529
@muharremcetindag1529 2 жыл бұрын
@@MarkRobinson555 thnks a lot
@Claymore_83
@Claymore_83 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, would this work with 2mm plywood? Is that just Mr Muscle Window Cleaner?
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, pleased you lked it. I would think it would work on ply, but I am not sure how thw amonia in the Mr Muscle would affect the glue holding the ply together.
@georgesmith4509
@georgesmith4509 2 жыл бұрын
It would possibly work with2mm ply depending on which glue has been used in the ply
@petraschack-beckschulte4072
@petraschack-beckschulte4072 4 жыл бұрын
Could you spray the stuff on after you’ve done the planking? (To take out the tension) Sry for my bad english
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 4 жыл бұрын
You could, but you would need to be carful not to get it on the rest of the wing structure
@petraschack-beckschulte4072
@petraschack-beckschulte4072 4 жыл бұрын
Mark Robinson, thanks
@thewaltbrownellchannel9318
@thewaltbrownellchannel9318 7 ай бұрын
Nothing worse than a warped wing. I've had a few
@lookylou6333
@lookylou6333 3 жыл бұрын
How do I go about adding filling in the open area on my wing. I have a ARF with open area top and bottom. Seagull models wing.
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there, do you need to fill in the wing? It will add weight and could affect how it flies. Can it not be covered leaving the open areas. If you did want to sill it in you could CG balsa into the gaps easy enough, just as you would do normal sheeting
@JohnModified
@JohnModified 3 жыл бұрын
So its windex you used?
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but it has to be the one which contains Ammonia
@user-rs1fo2dd9b
@user-rs1fo2dd9b Жыл бұрын
does the ammonia cleaner dry 100% or does it leave the wood damp (adding water/liquid weight to the wood)
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 Жыл бұрын
it dries 100%
@muharremcetindag1529
@muharremcetindag1529 2 жыл бұрын
How many mm is the balsa you are using?
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 2 жыл бұрын
It was 2.4mm, hope that helps
@parthgamit7284
@parthgamit7284 4 жыл бұрын
Sir can u make a tutorial on how to make seagull Cessna 188 aGwagon airplane
@gok-tekgenclikmerkezibilgi3584
@gok-tekgenclikmerkezibilgi3584 3 жыл бұрын
wht's the thickness of balsa, I must know immediately
@MarkRobinson555
@MarkRobinson555 3 жыл бұрын
the balsa is 2.5mm
@xm4rux
@xm4rux 3 жыл бұрын
Mhhhhh, Spareribs....
@robertredmond77
@robertredmond77 2 жыл бұрын
Just use water
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