2:05 The Packers are a 100 year old franchise steeped in history and tradition. I'd bet that most of the fans at Packers games aren't from Green Bay but rather from the rest of Wisconsin or even other surrounding states (I'm from Minnesota, and there are A LOT of Packers fans here), who are able to drive to Green Bay for the game. If the Packers had either never existed or folded early on, Wisconsin would likely have a team in Milwaukee (which used to host a lot of Packers games). Hawaii has a population of 1.3 million scattered across seven main islands and many smaller ones, and is located smack dab in the middle of the Pacific Ocean over 2,000 miles from the American mainland. Not only would it be an incredibly small market, but it'd also be an incredibly isolated market. Once Hawaii gets a replacement for Aloha Stadium they should host the Pro Bowl again, but I don't think a Hawaiian team would work.

London doesn't need a NFL TEAM, SAN Antonio Yes.

We had a joke in Texas during the Oiler days: Did you hear the rumor that San Antonio might get an pro football team? Well, it will never happen, because if San Antonio gets one, then Houston will want one too.

As a Lions fan, that joke was funny af! Sometimes even i forget 😢

The NFL in Salt Lake City would do well. Utah has a vibrant football crowd. Both the University of Utah and Brigham Young University regularly fill their stadiums as do the smaller schools. A Utah based team would likely draw fans and support from all over the Great Basin, western Wyoming and eastern Idaho. While the video mentions the population of the Salt Lake metro area, that is only Salt Lake County and southern Davis County. The greater Wasatch Front including Ogden, Provo and Orem sits at 2.66 million so there is a decent potential fan base within a 45 minute drive of an NFL stadium.

I spent some time in San Antonio years ago and the locals really wanted a NFL team back then.

This season the NFL is bringing a game in Berlin, Germany. I remember back in the day where preseason games were played in Japan, Ireland, Sweden and Spain. Games in Japan where played at the Tokyo Dome known as the American Bowl during the 80s and 90s

Remember that Honolulu had a team in the WFL in the 70s, and there were logistical problems. The University of Hawaii football team gets to host an extra game to cover their travel costs to the mainland, so any NFL team would always have to host 9 games each season. You would probably have to put two teams from the same market in the same division to even out the schedule. The Canadian government threatened to pass legislation to keep the WFL out of Toronto to protect the CFL. They'd probably do it again if the NFL tries. Another thing to think about is that the NFL would have some competition with college football in some markets, depending on how good the teams are.

San Antonio and Austin should team up and share one team. Call them the TEXAS OUTLAWS so no one city gets recognition. Plus build the stadium in the middle like in New Braunfels. While the new stadium is under construction the team can play 4 home games at the Alamodome and 4 in DKR to build the fan base.

I think that Honolulu would be a great place to hold the Super Bowl in every year.

Really interesting video. Being a die-hard, life-long CFL fan, I sometimes am concerned about the NFL coming to Toronto. I know all the CFL execs fear that if TO got an NFL team, that would mean the death of the Argos and if there was no CFL team in TO, then the CFL would fold. I'm not totally sure about that, but since TO is such a huge TV market, it seems no one is willing to roll the dice with letting the CFL try and survive without TO. I've enjoyed watching the NFL lately. I used to find it so boring. Run, Run, pass, punt. But thankfully the NFL has taken on more of a wide-open (CFL-like) feel to it. We have to remember that the CFL had the two point convert almost a decade before the NFL adopted it--so a lot of good things have come to the NFL via experimentation in the Crazy Football League. No one can argue with the energy that the NFL produces with their big TV money and bigger than life player talent. I've also noticed that many venues now have as much cheering for the visiting team as the home team. Rivalries are great for that! Many of you are too young to know, but the CFL used to be very big. There were grey Cups in Toronto and Montreal over the years that drew close to 70,000 fans. And in fact in the 1970s and 1980s linemen could make more money in the CFL than in the NFL. However when TV money got big in the US, that's when things changed. The CFL is still a gate-driven league, whereas an NFL team with only 25% of their seats full could still make money because of TV revenue. All this to say, its not that I'd mind an NFL team in Canada, but I'd not like the CFL to die. I'd like to see more talent in the CFL to bring back the joy of the game. Also, I don't think that the NFL is more popular with young people because the game is better, its just that the NFL has most of the money and so they can promote and advertise and appeal to the younger crowd. Hard to do when a league is strapped for cash. Anyways, great video. Keep up the good work!

Recently Roger Goodell said that Europe has the market for 4 teams, London alone could support 2. If I had to pick 4 Euro teams if there is credence to that comment, I'd have London, 2 German teams and either Amsterdam or Brussels. I think Paris could maybe sneak in based on just size and money but the NFL hasn't really been pushing that one as an option.

Haven’t ever watched you before but that was a top level video, good job!

In my opinion the biggest challenge of expanding to 36 or 40 teams is to create a new good working schedule formula. I tried it a bit but the results never made me happy about it.

Interesting and well argued video. I live in London and I don't think the NFL should have a franchise here for a few reasons. The logistics would be a huge challenge - realistically a London team would need to be based on the American east cost for away games. Taxation rates here are also much higher than in the US - it would put players off and a UK franchise would be at considerable disadvantage in free agency. Time zones are also an issue - you couldn't have London home games in a prime time slot as they'd be starting around 1am British time. I think London has a pretty good deal with three matches a season or so, and they should keep it that way. There's definitely enough interest to support a franchise but imo it just isn't practical.

Good well researched video. Love it when these type of videos from all channels pop up in my recommended

I think a London expansions team should come with another team in Europe, I nominate Munich. We’ve already seen the wild success of the Germany game and apparently the NFL is super popular over there. Plus there’s a huge US military base over there, so it could give the opportunity to give the troops another taste of home while on duty.

I would really like to see NFL teams in Toronto and Mexico City, as well as maybe Vancouver, if not in Europe as well, without relocating teams like the Bills or Cardinals tho. Teams first in Canada and Mexico would just be a lot easier, both logistically and as far as player health and traveling goes. I also think both countries easily have the fanbase to support at least one NFL team

Toronto, Portland, Salt Lake City, San Antonio, and OKC all make logistical sense AND could have their own markets. Even despite Buffalo's proximity to Toronto. I'd also suggest more Canadian additions to assimilate them to gridiron football and not leave Toronto the odd one out. Cities such as Montreal and Vancouver which are near already existing divisions gives them viability. I'd also throw Albuquerque, NMinto the mix. The viability of Canadian and American teams meeting regularly has already been proven by the NHL. The last thing I would do is put the Portland team in the Vancouver suburb just to confuse everyone. However, all of these additions would look great to the outside world, but the schedule makers would have a heart attack. I feel you'd need to switch to an 18 game/2 bye week/20 week schedule to pull this off and start earlier in the summer so that there are not too many winter games getting canceled and that the schedules remain balanced. And do you make new divisions? Or do you overload the existing ones? Lot to think about.

SLC blends in with the other cities next to it. We could fill a stadium. The AAF was garbage with advertising. I did not even know we had a team.

Love how you included Detroit 😂😂

One drawback with Honolulu is that it can't host a 1 PM Eastern game, and even the 4 PM Eastern window would not be pretty (10 AM locally during the early part of the season). This would pretty much box them in to Sunday night. Saturday night is off limits for most of the season due to the NFL's antitrust exemption. Other nights would fall during the workweek in Hawaii.

So glad you put Norfolk 😂😂 we need something exciting over here!

I’ve been saying it for years in regards to Hawaii/London NFL team schedule, make home and away games in blocks (4/4/4/5) cut down on travel cost having to fly across an ocean as often.

I think Omaha should get one. As a Nebraskan, football is our whole state.

So, how this would work division wise is this NFC AFC 20 Teams 20 Teams 4 Divisions 4 Divisions North North Salt Lake Toronto East East London Oklahoma City South South San Antonio Austin West West Honolulu Portland In this the current playoff format would be expanded from 7 teams per conference to 8, 2 teams receive a Bye week and there are 2 remaining division leaders and 4 wild cards. Seeds 3-8 4-7 5-6 higher seed has home advantage.

Instead of HI, Vancouver BC. Now youd have a Pacific NW corridor akin to the eastern seaboard.

Quite stunned that Sacramento wasn't on here. Has over 2 million in Metro Population, has the Kings (which EXPLODED this year after ended their playoff drought), and tried to lure the Raiders before. I guarantee that Sacramento would make an excellent football town.

Could you imagine being on the Hawaii team? Flying back and forth from the island to the mainland every other week. Sounds like hell

I've always said NFL in Nebraska and Alabama would be be big as college football is crazy there. Love these expansion videos. Would love to see some on the MLS, WMBA, WMLS and even the CFL. Also oh thr alliance, how I rooted for you.

The Raiders were planning to move to San Antonio before Jerry Jones stepped in and redirected them to Vegas, so he can keep claiming San Antonio/Austin as Cowboys territory

I got such a laugh out of you including Detroit on this list.

Damn imagine the travel time for the game between Honolulu and London lol

A great honorable honorable mention would be Lincoln or Omaha, Lincoln already has a football stadium that possibly could host a NFL team but if you want a bigger market Omaha is also a great choice also look at the college football fans in Nebraska you can't tell me they can fill a stadium atleast 8 or 9 times a year

San diego needs a nfl team again

I would add one new team to each existing division creating five team divisions and ultimately making the playoffs more interesting. I would put the teams in the following divisuons: Honolulu-NFC west Portland-NFC north Salt Lake City- NFC west San Antonio-AFC south Austin-NFC south Oklahoma City-NFC east Toronto-AFC north London-AFC east I wouldn’t touch the playoffs because it would take a stupid amount of playoff teams to allow a first seeded bye which would allow a team to rank for a draft seed AND have a shot at the super bowl in one year. It would meant that there were only 7 non-division games a season but I think that’s a good thing because that allows for a single team to play every team in a separate division in their conference and only force 2 non-conference games a year which would make the super bowl much wilder. I think the only thing wrong with the expansion would be that most people in cities with no team alr have a favorite team from another city and it would take a while for the team to get on their feet and in such an expensive league that could come back to haunt us.

Green Bay was one of the first teams founded and the north is the most die hard fans

Great content.Very entertaining.

Orlando wants a team. It's a big football town. There are some issues though: 1. Florida has 3 teams already. That said, I think the Jags are leaving Jacksonville so it's possible (heck I could see them move to Orlando) 2. They need a new stadium. Camping World Stadium is old and run down, plus it has traffic issues. It would work temporarily but not in the long-term. That said, Orlando loses out on a lot of events to Tampa due to the stadium, so it might be something the city would be willing to invest public funds in. 3. Who would own the team? Orlando City SC is owned by the Wirfs Family, who already own the Minnesota Vikings. The Magic (and Solar Bears) are owned by the DeVos Family, who is mostly Michigan based.

Glad you put OKC on there

"Keep in mind there is a week between NFL games." Its not uncommon for a team that played on Monday night to have to play on Thursday night and jet lag can typically last 1-1.5 days per time zone crossed. Imagine the Honolulu team playing in Metlife on Monday and then rushing all the way back to play a home game. That's a 5 hour difference alone.

You can’t just have 1 European team. If you’re going to expand to Europe you’re going to need to add an entire European division, it’s just a logistical nightmare. Other than that though, this is a pretty good list. I’m a pretty strong advocate for Columbus, Ohio as I live closest to there, but I think it would be a good spot for a team. Fans fill the 100,000 seat Ohio Stadium on a regular basis for Ohio State games, plus Ohio is a very significant place for the NFL, you know, since it was founded there, but anyway, I don’t think the NFL expands much farther in North America, but I do think relocations are possible, and a lot of these cities would be very deserving if it were to come down to that.

Lol the diss on the Lions

That one moment had me LOL and share this with others. Well played ... well played. I would drop Austin from the list because of the other Texas teams; instead would consider: Vancouver St. Louis or Memphis Birmingham - or even Mobile, AL for something different.

Good job... thanks for the videos...

“If it can hold an NBA team, it can hold an NFL team” is such flawed logic

Nobody is forgetting the Lions now. One pride!!!!!!

Thank you for mentioning Norfolk. My uncle has wondered for years why there isn’t an NFL team there with all of the surrounding cities, like Virginia Beach, Hampton, Newport News

Hey, watch that tongue!! The Detroit Lions were two quarters away from going to the Super Bowl!! 14-6 record overall in 2023.

The Detroit bit got me

I will never forget the AAF, Apollos forever :,)

Look how many soccer clubs there are in Europe and how close they are. Football mad Texas could support a third NFL team without a problem.

OMAHA should be on the list. no pro teams in the state, huge love for the sport, and it’s bigger than Miami

I’d like to mention South Carolina, maybe Spartanburg, Columbia , or Charleston. As someone from SC. We have a very huge passion for sports. My school itself has days where we wear college football jerseys, or NFL jerseys. We have a huge passion for our high school football team. And don’t get me started on our college football rivalry. Gamecocks vs Clemson (❤️🖤 let’s go gamecocks ! 🐔). Plus we have hockey teams, soccer clubs, and college baseball and basketball. We in fact have 2 minor league baseball teams. And 75% of the cars in SC I have seen have a gamecocks logo or a clemson logo on the back. So I think an NFL team would be great here, I’d suggest Williams-Bryce stadium not only for its size. But if you revamp it a little bit on the ends it looks like a full out NFL stadium. Plus lots of events are held there including the state, not just the college.

The Detroit part 😂😂😂

Imagine a world where both Hawaii and the uk have nfl teams.

The biggest likely barrier to expansion is that existing owners don't want to give up portions of their market (i.e. follow the money). Try to expand to Portland and the Seattle Seahawks would object. SLC and the Denver Broncos would object. San Antonio/Austin and the Cowboys would object. Even expansion outside the country to Toronto and the Buffalo Bills would object. I think London, Monterrey, MX, Montreal QC, and Mexico City would be the most likely options.

I wish more people would suggest Motreal. The bills will never allow a tea in toronto but montreal is a huge city with a strong sports base. As a boston sports fan I love our Hockey rivalry would love to see some football rivalry as well. I think the CFL is already on the way out. if the XFL or the USFL are successful then the CFL will have a big competitor for lower second rate talent, and the NFL can just swoop in and take the markets over.

Nice video.

OKC needs an NFL team. This state is divided by Ou and OSU so having one team that everyone supports would do wonders the state. The fact we don’t already have is suprising since OU is the most valuable college football team in terms of revenue.

I'd say Munich should get a NFL Team too remember the atmosphere there when the NFL decided to host a game there imagine that but 8-9 home games a year

personally. honolulu, albequerque, portland, omaha, salt lake city, virginia beach, oklahoma city, and as a guy born in kansas, might as well throw wichita in ther

Idk something’s just kinda funny about a Canadian being a pats fan.

This is the best I could come up with. I added teams in Sacramento, St. Louis, Portland, Salt Lake City, Orlando, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, and Honolulu AFC: North: Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Baltimore, Cincinnati South: Tennessee, Jacksonville, Houston, Orlando East: Buffalo, Miami, New England, NYJ West: Las Vegas, Denver, LAC, Salt Lake City Central: Indianapolis, Kansas City, San Antonio, St. Louis NFC: North: Green Bay, Minnesota, Chicago, Detroit South: Tampa Bay, LAR, Atlanta, Honolulu East: Philadelphia, NYG, Carolina, Washington West: Sacramento, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland Central: Dallas, Arizona, Oklahoma City, New Orleans

St Louis and San Antonio need one

With as big as college football is in the state of Alabama i have no idea why no one has already put up a pro team in the state. Bama has like a 100k seat stadium already.

Im from Detroit. You aint have to do us like that! 🤣🤣🤣

I think NFL will look long and hard at 36 between 2032 to 2035. 40 is harder and I actually think most added teams will be aimed at Europe. But 36, 3 European teams will probably be the target.

I love the Hawaii idea

As for Toronto and the cfl easy solution. Combine nfl and cfl season tickets! So as an example you have season tickets for both teams . The cfl tickets cost very little you can sell them or give them away. This is a win win for everyone involved!

yknow what. lincoln deserves a team

I swear the jab at the Lions was the reason this video got recommended to me. GDI

A football team in Hawaii would have a nice influx of wealthy/ vacationers in my Opinions. Similar to Las Vegas golden knights or UFC fights.

Interesting video and well argued, but I have a few mentions. You are right that there is big demand in the UK, and London in particular being such a huge international city with a proven track record in attendances for games brought there, but with the NFL season overlapping with the Premier League season I don't see how you would locate bi-weekly home games for a London team, not to give the team a home. You would have to fit the games for when the Premier League club isn't playing (as the big clubs who play in European competition like the Champions of Europa League usually play their games on a Sunday, and even if they played on a Monday, which isn't great for the fans it's not enough time to fix the pitch). It would affect the pitches of these clubs massively to a point where it is unfeasable to use them. So that leaves Wembley (which is used for a lot of other events during the year, as well as England internationals) and Twickenham (the home of England Rugby Union). Maybe that one is actually more feasable, but again the seasons overlap and I doubt the RFU would go for this. I personally think you have to include San Diego and St Louis as the two portions candidates for expansion. Austin is interesting, you didn't mention that we well as MLS having a team there they also host F1 with great success at the Circuit of the Americas there. You couldn't have both Austin and San Antonio though imo and I think San Antonio wins out for me. Portland, OR is also interesting and you're right that there would be a bit rivalry with the Seahawks, and having been to the area a few times and knowing some people there I don't think people from Portland support Seattle teams so there is untapped potential there. The one city that was on your honourable mentions list that I thought would have been a shoe in for a team would have been Orlando. I could see that working (although I guess you are discounting it on the basis of proximity to Tampa and Jacksonville, neither big teams will it might take fans away from), but as well as the local population you could augment attendances with those visiting the theme parks there. I guess there would be state politics at work here though and there are already vested interests that would prevent certain cities getting teams. In the end though I can't see this happening as the NFL is run by the owners and adding more teams that wouldn't necessarily grow the revenue enough for those already in the club to carry on making the same money as they do now it would not be feasible, just diluting their share. Anyway, interesting video. One final thought is that if a team was added in London, what about Germany as well, they have a bit interest in American football as well, could you have 3, one in Barcelona (maybe an international division, not sure if would work, there's just not sure the demand I guess)?

Just an idea to add 8 teams, and shuffling the divisions to maintain 4 team divisions... North West Division; Seattle, Portland (Expansion), Vancouver (Expansion), Calgary (Expansion) South West Division; San Francisco, LA, San Diego (Expansion), LA Rockies Division: Las Vegas, Arizona, Salt Lake (Expansion), Denver South Division; Dallas, Houston, San Antonio (Expansion), Mexico City (Expansion) Central Division; Kansas City, Atlanta, Tennessee, Indianapolis Great Lakes; Minnesota, Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit Steel Division; Cleveland, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Toronto (Expansion) North East Division; New England, New York, New York, Philadelphia Eastern Division; Washington, Carolina, Cincinnati, Baltimore Hurricane Division; Jacksonville, Tampa, Miami, New Orleans

I believe for the NFL to get to 40 teams, they'll go with any of St. Louis, San Diego, Oakland, Chicago (second team), San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Salt Lake City, Portland, Omaha, Norfolk, Grand Rapids, Memphis, Birmingham, Hartford, Hawaii, Orlando, Toronto, Mexico City and London.

Before Katrina, the owners of the Saints were in talks with San Antonio on moving the team to Central Texas.

Winning means everything...put a team in a place like Albuquerque and if they win they will attract large crowds

You should make a video of what their stadium would look like, team name and logo. That would earn my sub

For a London team, a bock of home games in the middle of the season might work. It would be like a two month home stand for the players.

IMO the next wave of NFL expansion should be an international pod in Europe and a team in London. First move the Jaguars to London. Add a team in Toronto.Add another expansion team in London. Add a team in Munch and one in Frankfurt.

Personally my expansion would go something like this with four teams getting moved through the conferences and one team being relocated (though thats a pipe dream) NFC North: Chicago Detroit Green Bay Minnesota Winnipeg South: Carolina Dallas Orlando New Orleans Tampa East: Atlanta Philadelphia New York Saint Louis Washington West: Arizona Los Angeles Portland San Francisco Seattle AFC: North Buffalo Cincinnati Cleveland Pittsburgh Toronto South: Houston Indianapolis Jacksonville Tennessee San Antonio East: Baltimore Charlottesville Miami New England New York West Denver Kansas City Las Vegas San Diego Vancouver

Norfolk needs a team

When will you make the 40 team mlb expansion video (Answer ASAP)

I feel like Omaha would be a better choice than Norfolk in Honorable Mentions.

Great, great, great video! I think the possibility of up to 36 teams is reasonable, with Toronto, London, Salt Lake City and San Antonio being prime selections. Portland, I disagree; they are rapidly developing into the ass crack of humanity.

When it comes to, Austin and San Antonio, and the comment about being two close, remember we had LA with two teams, and before LA and SD wish that was 2 hours drive, so for a state know for guns, BBQ, and football, I don’t see why not, but just incase they should use the XFL as the expansion league, to show the NFL that fans can fill the stadium

I would like & could realistically see Toronto, San Antonio & Portland Oregon

Something that occurs to me is, how would a different currency and exchange rates would affect the salary cap?

Mexico City would be perfect for an NFL franchise. They love NFL football. Also, I heard the NFL has an agreement with the CFL, that they would not expand into Canada, and vice versa.

Virginia deserves its own team. Center it in Newport News and make it a state-wide team like Arizona. Do training camp in Richmond. Washington has done that for years so Richmond knows how to host that kind of stuff. Also could give some life to the college teams.

Hey Charlie love your videos use them when I have free time and make up teams I’ve been during project expansion in the nfl making there logos and uniforms would love to collab in a future video could even do other sports

Lions are hot 4 months later, that joke didn’t age too well :/ But i do agree

The team formerly known as the Portsmouth Spartans are currently leading the NFC North. Give us back the Duluth Eskimos or Kelleys (if you're PC). I say this only because I grew up in Minnesota.

The central Midwest needs more than just kansas city. There are population centers here that love football memorial stadium in nebraska has been sold out for longer than many NFL teams have existed a team in omaha specially would do great. Just my opinion though. Although to my knowledge the nfl tried to get Warren buffet to buy a franchise to go to omaha but he said no. So idk.

When the Raiders were picking out where to move (the most recent one mind you) San Antonio was actually the first choice Davis had heck he owns enough land in the area to put at stadium on but was blocked by Jerry Jones as he doesn’t want a third Texas team as the Texans take enough possible revenue from the Cowboys organization as is. London is something that NFL commissioner Roger Goddell wants and most believe that if it happens it’ll involve the Jags moving there rather than a NFL expansion. Finally on the topic of Canada the NFL was interested in putting a team there but Canada stopped them as they don’t want to kill the CFL

Putting a team in London is a logistical problem to play one game it can take months of preparation if teams in the Davison have to play their twice it would be a challenge

Might sound weird but I’d honestly love seeing a team in Alaska would be just as difficult as Hawaii but holy shit Alaska has perfect football weather rain snow cold games there would be amazing as hell

About London…. The NFL already tried a euro league and it didn’t work, the league collapsed in 2012

Oklahoma City for sure my guy!🤘🏼🤘🏼