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Having played just FH3 and FH4, I prefer FH3 more to be honest, the horizon festivals all over the map was really a nice touch, the houses in FH4 feels like an expensive background to buy.

In terms of progression and story, I‘d love to have a "rival festival" scenario. You win races to gain followers and fans and when you have enough influence, a boss challenges you to race for festival territory (kinda like in GTA San Andreas with the green and purple map areas). You start off with a tiny festival site at the corner of the map and your goal is to cover the entire map in Horizon‘s signature pink color. At the end you have the final showdown against the owner of rival festival: A smug, rich, douchy, cheesy boss. You leave him in the dust and the Horizon festival lives happily ever after. Fin.

Forza Horizon 4 didn't even have a story. Your Progression was going through 4 seasons and doing events that was it. (My own Personal Experience) I've never really felt rewarded for earning cars. You get one each week for doing certain things and that was it. Yes I love building my garage and earning cars but I don't want to own half the car list in the matter of a week. Forza Horizon 2 gave us Wheelspins but it didn't spoil us to the point where we get 1 million on the first day. They even had a perk for better Rewards in Horizon 2 for Wheelspins because they knew it was hard to gain money. I want that again..

This horizon festival garage background looks like a mall showcase

This is my first horizon game I've played but coming from different games, horizon is so much better, the fact that it's open world gives it so much more depth from speedzones, dangersigns and drifting.

I feel like forza needs to add more progression like the first horizon as it adds so much more replay ability and feels so much more rewarding

The Forza Horizon Series has to be one of the most top rewarding racing games of all time when it comes to earning cash and cars

This is the man that the forza community as always needed. Well thought out and structured videos. Doesn't get any better than this! Keep the content coming 👍

This game just felt so nice to drive in, but (even despite loving Britain) the map felt too small with everything packed too close together and it all just felt too similar. My favourite map is still horizon 3. It just felt so alive and special compared to the less interesting and diverse fh4 map. Australia allowed you to change from city to outback or beach to rainforest very quickly, whilst I feel like you are just constantly driving around British forests. I also occasionally try and play with friends which just ends up being more frustrating than it's worth because the matchmaking system is just long and overcomplicated. This just makes it irritating to even attempt at messing about with my mates. I do enjoy this game, but it just feels like a step down from the previous games, so I really hope horizon 5 goes back to the way the older games felt.

My problem with Forza Horizon is that it just doesn't allow the same experiences as it's previous games. I feel as if it no longer feels like a festival, it just feels like that focus has gone and I never have to use the festival for anything.

Got this video recommended. Horizon 4 was my entry to the series and now after one year of Horizon 5, I can confidently say that Horizon 4 remains as my favourite of the two for multiple reasons. - The 4 seasons are executed way better than in Horizon 5. I know this is attributed to the location, but in the UK you actually noticed when the seasons changed. Cruising around in Mexico, the only change you'll really notice maybe is the rivers being full or dry (and the snow on Caldera, but when are you ever really up there?), meanwhile in the UK, you had the full map covered in snow, entire huge lakes frozen over, and the leaves in the trees changing colors. It was beautiful to look at, because you could actually tell that the map was ever-changing with the season. - The map feels extremely satisfying to drive on. It has a lot of things you could wish for: Long straights (especially the highway and the long stretch at the beach), Techy curves (Glen Rannoch), a great mix of small towns and a big city (Broadway, Edinburgh, the Town south of the lake) and amazing Rallye spots (Quarry, the Forests, the mountain at Glenn Rannoch, Arthurs Seat). Although the map is not the most diverse with long stretches of empty fields and all, it still feels like I haven't discovered it all, while in comparison, although Horizon 5 has more diverse and interesting spots, the vast stretch of empty nothingness makes the map feel empty. The small towns are fine, but Guanajuato as the major town in comparison to Edinburgh feels incredibly claustrophobic and just isn't that fun to cruise around. - The events in Horizon 4 are more enjoyable than in Horizon 5. Both games have their fair share of great races, but both the Showcase Races and Playground Games are more enjoyable in Horizon 4 than Horizon 5. Starting with the Showcases, some of them can be directly compared: Racing the Contach through the Canyon against the Train can directly be compared to the Nomad and the Train rushing towards Edinburgh. While you stay mostly glued to the road in 5, 4 launches you cross country and actually gives you multiple interactions with the train on the way, having multiple near collisions and just giving an overall more exciting setting. The flow of the biker showcase in Horizon 4 is so more smooth than in 5, where the section going through the tight corners of Guanajuato just completely kills the flow. As for the Playground Games, the maps in 5 feel so uninspired: The Stadium is just a circle, Ek Balam is a campfest, and the only decent ones are the Airfield and the Baja Circuit. Meanwhile each playground area in 4 just nails it: Mudkickers hills makes it really fun and allows insane manuveurs, taking chase between the trains in the trainyard leads to some exciting hunts, the seasons changing the water in mortimers gardens from a shallow puddle to an iced slidefest give it a big amount of replayability and the diverse setting of the castle gives less repitition. The businesses and other side activities were a great shakeup from the normal racing, and even if they were glorified PR Stunts and Time Trials, they still had their charme. Meanwhile in 5, most of the stories are subpar and even annoying in some cases. It's hard to enjoy the stories when Alejandra keeps blabbering on about "PaPa FeRnAnDo" or the Donut Media one is designed rather lackluster. - The progression, oh the progression: The system in 5 isn't bad at all. In fact, I like how they pretty much carried over the system from Lego Speed Champions, because I enjoyed hunting these accolades. However, some of the things unlock way too quickly. What made Horizon 4 so great for me was that it actually took you time to unlock everything in a category: You wanted new PR Stunts? Do the prior ones enough to unlock a new set. New sprint races? Get used to the current few to get a few more. Levelling up your "mastery" in all of these gave a proper sense of progression towards unlocking the events. The stamp system in 5 and unlocking everything from a category right away takes all the wind out of the progression that made FH4 for me. The overcommitment to the Lego Speed Champions system was therefore also a downfall in my eyes. - Speaking of the DLCs, as of now FH4 still has the better DLCs. I'll be real honest here and say that I don't see the appeal of the HotWheels DLCs. For me, Forza Horizon is about exploration and Free Roam, so having the Hot Wheels Nexus box you in for most of the track with only a select few sections to leave it, it just felt so wrong to me. Maybe HotWheels just isn't for me, but I didn't have too much enjoyment with the DLC. In turn, Fortune Island is just beautiful. The map is enjoyable, the progression is great, the addition of Trailblazers was a great idea, and the treasure hunts were real fun (which is why I was happy to welcome them back to Horizon 5.). I'm split on Speed Champions for a lot of reasons, so I can't give a perfect clear reasoning for it. From the map itself though, I'd still rank it above the Hot Wheels Expansion. - Finally, the online component. From Playground Games, to the trial, to Horizon Arcade?, Horizon 4 was always a blast to play. You had full lobbies of players, encountering them on a semi-regular base while cruising through the UK, and the Arcade matchups were very popular, most of the time having at least half the lobby participate. Meanwhile in 5, you barely see anyone, and even the "Freemode" Events are empty mostly, and more often than not you're running the Arcade alone. Throw in the online mode being completely broken at times or still running horribly almost a year later, and you have an unenjoyable experience. Even worse is the current model of selling cars that have been in the Horizon 4 car list as "new", having half of the carlist from 4 non-existent in the game only to be added later. The festival events are starting to feel uninspired and sometimes don't even work at all. Horizon 5 feels like a burning wreck. I can absolutely believe the long-time Horizon fans that FH4 isn't as good as the prior entries, but for me it has solidified what Horizon was supposed to be and the potential that the series had, while FH5 proceeds to drive it all against the wall with lackluster updates, which make me return to 4 a lot more recently. Part can be attributed to the nostalgia, but for me Horizon 4 always has a place in my heart, and it gets broken by what Horizon 5 is right now.

Because we get new cars every week (not anymore, final new car is the VUHL), people demand to see cars and forget that it's amazing to even get new cars every month! The community has become more toxic through the livespan of this game, because Playground games gives us more, funny how that works...

I still think horizon 2 is one of the best. The fast and furious expansion was awesome. The car sounds were great, and the graphics had a unique style to them.

My main problem with horizon 4 is the single player, if they had put just a bit of thought, it would have been great. When they did think about single player, fortune island had a great little story that was very addicting and i enjoyed 10000% of that expansion, but the fact that the game was pretty much "ok, play for 1 hour, get 10 mil credits, buy ONLY the OP cars and then race online" was very irritating to me. Horizon 3 and 2 IMO had a great balance between single and multi player, however horizon 4 lost that balance and made the game much worse to me

After watching this video I can’t help but feel the same way. Fh4 is my second horizon game that I’ve played. Its because of three that I got 4 in the first place. I loved every second I’ve played this game for even with the issues it had at launch. To see how the game has turned out over the years is amazing to me and shows that the devs do care. This game has gotten me into car photography, something I wouldn’t have even considered before. Even though I do feel as though the game is kinda dull, I still find myself playing it regularly. Its a good game but as you said in the video it had the potential to be great which I think some people probably think it is. Over all FH4 is an awesome game and I hope FH5 will be even better.

A good progression system and leveling structure from bottom to top and much more focus in single player (like 1 & 2) is all I ask for in FH5👍🏼👍🏼🤞🏼

I personal only like it more because of the map, cars expansions and races and graphics. Thr story is where it counts and that's what makes the older ones better but other then the story yes horizon 4 is very cool and some execution, aka engine sounds. I do like how it's easy to get cars though because you get to spend more time actually driving them rather then trying to unlock them.

I still play FH4 every single day. Got both DLCs and love them both. Gonna keep playing until FH5 too

In my last playthrough of 4 I didn’t buy a single car, I just won all the cars I needed

I like it even though it lacks single player content, it’s the shortest horizon game

Horizon 4 was my first actual Forza that I played so much of. Gotta say I loved it, and it’s crazy how different it is to just driving around in GTA v 😂

If I had to show where each game excelled at, it would be: Horizon 1 - Story, festival atmosphere, cohesiveness, and the reason why Xbox was relevant to me in the first place. Horizon 2 - Roadtrips, Environment atmosphere, sounds, Showcases, sense of speed, artstyle, dirt racing, and why I got an Xbox One at the time Horizon 3 - Soundtrack, expansions, opening intro, bucketlists, innovation (at the time), playground games (the only MP I actually played enough of), and my personal favorite with 500+hrs clocked. Horizon 4 - Car list, car handling, elevation, Offroad driving, customization, graphics, Horizon stories, post-launch support, and longevity I'd say that this is the weakest of the series, but that only helps Horizon's case because of the bar it managed to set for itself, the critics, and the fans. It is hard to build upon a concept that is so established while pleasing everyone, where games like Need for Speed 2015 (then) and Project CARS 3 weren't as lucky, and things like not carrying over songs between games (except that Halo track) and all that but with most of the wishlists being turned to reality between Horizon 3 and 4, it shows that somehow, someway, they are listening to us. And seeing how from Horizon 3 onwards grew and broke out to the point of challenging peak NFS and prime Gran Turismo, it would be an understatement to say how eager I am waiting to see what Playground could offer next, with a grain of salt mind you, but eager nonetheless.

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Love the entire FH series and 4 was a spectacular accomplishment. Beautiful game and cars! Great review!! 👍

One of the reasons I got the game was the cars and always like the series… but I worked hard to get that barn-find Ford GT40 MK I, one of my favorite cars of all time and you never see them in games anymore!

Just wanted to say that I love your channel man, the way you talk etc.. it’s very nice to watch everytime! Keep up the good work you deserve to grow bigger and bigger

Amazing video! One feature that I liked in FH5 was the dynamic weather. I hated winter but the snow changed the game enough that I ended up loving it once I found a better cars. I just hope that there is an option to manually control the weather in FH5.

I'm surprised you didn't talk about the seasons at all. That's definitely my favorite feature of the game

Coming from Racing games like Grid , Assetto Corsa, NFS , Forza Horizon 4 was my first Forza game .And what a refreshing change it was ! endless content in the form of events all around maps , different and unique things to do like boards and showcase events , the auction houses wherein if you played your cards right u could make loads of money , and the sheer car list and the fun in tuning them to my preference is what makes this game special for me .

Also, congrats man your doing good, been watching u for a while so it’s nice seeing you succeed !

I whole heartedly agree with your assessment of the lack of single player progression/motivation to do so as I played this game on and off since 2018 but since Christmas last year I’ve been hooked on getting every car in the game through these festival playlists, just got the pre order cars, Capri FE & the eliminator cars left to unlock

I love the car list in Horizon 4. My main gripe is the end game...all you have is the weekly championships. There are times that i have thought about deleting my save game and restarting but I don't want to loose all the cars that inhave because most that i have are quite tricky for me to get due to me not having much time to game due to work. I'm currently reinstalling all the previous Horizons to play in the run up to Horizon 5...funnily enough it was you video about the problem with racing games and your Horizon 1 playthrough (looking forward to you continuing that) that made me start to replay them all

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Horizon 4 is my favorite game personally. It has the most cars, has the best graphics (although fh3 comes close), and horizon life is pretty cool too (when it works). This game does have some downsides though, such as the car sounds, lack of realistic tire smoke, no private lobbies, and the biggest one for me, no regular cars. No base level cars or trims of almost every car. Like driving around in a base model Mercedes a class would be sick, or a base model jetta or something. Also, your dedication to reading all the comments and replying to them while also putting out great quality content is great. You’ve earned yourself a sub, keep it up!

Thanks for this video, Just for everyone to know, VUHL 05RR will be the last car to be added to FH4, as update 37 will be the last update to the game. It has been a wild ride, but the future is brighter.

earned my sub , watched ur forza horizon 2 one and i saw this on my homepage

I agree with every single point you made. I've played the game for around 500 hours and I genuinely consider it one of my top favorite games. But when I'm playing with my friends who are new to the game they have to play for a few hours before we can play any race and that's really annoying for them. Most of the time we played custom races with specific cars that we would use which was awesome and the fact that I have most of the cars is just plain convenient. So to put it simply I think you should be able to chose to either progress through a story or just play random races with your friends freely. Thought as I said FH4 is a near 10/10 for me and I think FH5 could be the one that's just all round perfect. Luv your videos man! Keep em coming 🙏

This channel really is taking off fast, good on you! I overall really enjoyed playing the game since launch but at this point it's become quite repetitive. Doing the Festival Playlist every week has become a chore instead of being fun, and the terrain of this map just isn't interesting anymore. Don't get me started on Winter too 😅

Yet another solid video mate! The main thing that put me off this game pretty early on is that the map got boring (not big enough and too similar feeling), as well as the photo mode and video editor again not changing. Photo mode should allow for change in weather and time of day. The video editor currently is alright but hasn’t changed in years, only allows for 30 seconds of usable footage and doesn’t even work online (only in horizon solo)??? We need something like TC2 with 10 minutes of online usable footage, 4 full presets (action/landscape/vehicle/in-game) and fully customisable playback features (slomos/follow another driver). Currently in horizon, montages look very similar and boring. This would help with variety, more creative videos with multiple drivers in them and increase the game’s lifespan!

Awesome video man. I guess they have to move on from the car guys... Remember, there is more of a market in the kids stuff, like FH4's Lego DLC and FH3's Hot Wheels DLC.

Hey Moses long time are you well? We need you back. Forza Horizon 4 introduced me to the series and I loved it. After playing 3, 2 and finally the original. I can say the original was the most inspired, I found it surprising that most of the ideas were actually in the original. That games hasn't changed much.

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Weird opinion but I miss being forced to use certain cars/classes in events. In Horizon 4 I found myself using the same AWD S class car on rally tires for almost every event because I already had it built well. Events for specific classes are more fun in my opinion, ie fwd B class or something along those lines. Forces players to step out of their comfort zone and to try new things/experiment at setting up new cars

Interesting watching this after 5 came out. I have played every horizon game and I agree with your points. Another thing that was sorely lacking in 4 was the sound. It was just so flat. I could have ignored the rest but after 30 min I just couldn't play anymore. I like you idea about the houses having garages. It would be awesome if you could showcase a few of your builds for other users. The bigger the house, the more garage space you get.

This video is really high quality for your amount of subs, hope you get big soon!

This channel is poppin your videos are topnotch

The critiques were so good and fair in this that I was hoping there was more. I feel like there’s so much to Forza Horizon 4, both positive and negative, to deconstruct about the game. But it was a great video nonetheless.

This was a great video! I really hated the playground games ranking system! It is such an issue that fh5 needs to fix and they are aware of the issue thank god! It's bad when you can keep track of your own ranking better than the game itself can! Also I feel like the seasons feature had more potential than it was shown in Horizon 4. It wasn't executed quite right.

Interesting video. Forza Horizon 4 is my first Forza game. I am enjoying it. I recently got it on game pass. For years I was only on PlayStation so I was never exposed to the Forza series until a few weeks ago when I gave game pass a try after seeing the Xbox E3 event. I like what I saw with Horizon 5 and a friend recommended I check out Forza Horizon 4. I agree I would like more incentive to race like older games where you start with a basic car and by the end you have most of the cars. With this game but the time I got to hour 4 or so I had a Koenigsegg CCX that I won from a wheel spin and I was gifted a Senna from my messages. It was cool getting the Senna early but now I have it. So now what? I have about 30 hours in it or so and I am still enjoying it but I can see your points about the game and this is my first exposure to the Horizon series.

I agree with a lot that you said. As a first impression the game was bound to be riddled with problems but over time the amount of effort from the community and the devs really pulled FH4 up to where it is today. I also agree that when I played though FH4, there still is so much potential that this game made players realize what was possible.

I haven't exactly played Horizon 4 myself, but I have watched my brother-in-law play it a couple of times whenever we've visited his and my sisters house. And I felt sort of tempted to buy and play it myself after watching him play it, though I ended up changing my mind about it later.

If you own VIP membership (now ultimate edition of the game on Steam) you'll get super wheelspin every week and double credit earnings. Now, I really want to have Fortune Island expansion but can't get it as a standalone DLC anymore because as of 25 June all DLC'S got delisted. I don't know if I want to spoil even more the already weak progression factor in the base game with buying the ultimate edition after watching your in depth review. I'm not sure to what extent the ultimate edition will spoil the progression factor as I'm new to the FH series. Thank you for your work!

Last night I finished grinding for the McLaren P1 in Forza horizon 4 and it felt so satisfying

Been waiting for this 🥳

Do you have any thoughts on the seasons system at all?? Personally, it was great for the first few weeks, but afterwards it definitely felt like another gimmick with no substance, i found myself not playing whenever the game was in the winter season

For me, FH4 is the best in the series but I may be a little biased, being British n loving the map. I actually think 4 cleaned up some of the overwhelming sandbox aspects that were introduced with 3 too. For instance, in 4 I liked how unlocking new races was directly tied to completing races in a race category. So, if I wanted to blast through road racing, I could focus on that. In 3, the "fans" system, where a million icons just carpet bombed the map every time you got to a new festival level, rubbed me the wrong way somehow. I agree that the games are more sandbox-y now, but I found 3 more overwhelming than 4. Agree on the DLC big time. Fortune Island is fantastic and it sort of works as a condensed FH4 with a satisfying path. In a way, it can be enjoyed as a full game if the main game is too much. I think a hybrid of 3 and 4 is what we might get with 5, I just hope the new expeditions mode is more linear than 3's "fans" system.

Speaking of the car selection there is one group of cars I am still waiting for in the Horizon games and that is the Nissan Patrol, and I am talking about the majority of them, primarily the older ones such as the G60, MQ/MK, Gq and GU models. These cars in the real world are open to SO much customisation, I think they would fit right in with the Forza Horizon world. Me being Australian, I think it was a missed opportunity when Horizon 3 came out with no Patrols. Here in Australia there are 2 car rivalries, Holden vs Ford and Toyota Landcruser vs Nissan Patrol. I hope one day the Horizon games will finally the patrol to the roster

Awesome video

I've never played the fourth game yet but I plan on it soon I fell in love with the third game but I absolutely hate that you can't drive certain cars unless you download them I bought the third game specifically to try my favorite car in the world the Lamborghini Aventador SV but unfortunately I couldn't use it or the Hawaiian BC or the Jeep trailcat which I'm excited to find out how good that is I like to off-road too hopefully the fourth game will be as fun as I hope although I feel like it'll be hard to beat Australia as a location

The cockpit is amazing

I loved Horizon 1 because you had people to beat. Especially the final race with the dude with the Ferrari (I forget his name). The progression felt so good

Any suggestion for an alternative on PC? I'm looking for the best compromise between realistic gameplay and amazingly rewarding progression with no shortcut

Yeah I agree with all of this, the game definitely feels kind of stagnant especially after you already get most of the cars you want. I remember when I first got my hands on the game that I was so excited about all the features, but after spending about 30 minutes in one of the Horizon stories I realized it was just work for no real sense of progression or reward. After that I never really went back to any of the Horizon stories because the game didn't motivate me to do them. The lack of motivation this game gives sort of killed it for me. It seems that the only reason I'm playing this game now is for the new cars every week and the occasional race here and there just to enjoy driving around. I hope this didn't come off as me hating the game because I don't in fact FH4 is the only horizon game that I got right when it launched and the game that I bye far spend the most hours in but yeah this video covers everything I feel about the game.

The closest thing to the satisfaction to get the car that you want is : The Capri FH from Star cards. If you dont want to spend your 20m and lots of time to try to snipe one, you can try doing the star cards for it. You have 6 cards that are pretty hard to do, but the satisfaction after doing them and getting this Capri of your dreams (and Ferrari 812 in addition) is just soo good.

When It comes to lego I'm neutral about the expansion but it have more negative then positives Pros: • It was divers then the main island • It had you build up to an end event in a very weird kinda way • had side objectives that can help get 100% on Lego Valley • have a race track Cons: • race track was locked behind a pay wall • had only 3 cars in the pack • barn find didn't come at launch and had to wait I think half or three quarters of the year to get the barn find • added a new lego car that should've been in since day one • to much of a grind feel to it, like it wants you to just hurry up and leave the island • once your done your done, the only things you can do after completing the main section of Lego Valley is to either cruise around or do seasonal events that if I'm sure doesn't count to the Main Island seasonal events

I love all your videos thank you! For me personally Forza Horizon 4 was a probably by far the game I enjoyed the least and the weakest so far. As you have touched on I hated how there was no sense of direction or progression in single player. I don’t like getting everything handed to me and it just makes me lose interest very quickly. I can go back and play Horizon 1 single player all the time because I love how you start out with a slow car and work your way up. Horizon 4 didn’t have any of this. Here is the cover car within the first half an hour. Felt like racing for the sake of racing rather than racing to achieve something. Also I wasn’t a huge fan of the multiplayer in this game either. The first 7 months of online adventure wasn’t even playable. It was all team based with no class or race choice. They did fix it and make it heaps better, but still very flawed. I think it’s because adventure modes have been so repetitive since Horizon 2 and with 4 it’s more of the same. I will say battle Royale was a nice touch and I probably had the most fun in that game mode, but competitive online just wasn’t there. I will disagree about Fortune Island. To me it felt like a repeat of FH3 single player. Just exploring events. The chests were nice but in terms of racing it didn’t really add anything new. I wouldn’t say it’s the worst expansion but it’s far from the best. I think it doesn’t even come close to Blizzard Mountain or Hotwheels in FH3. Also I hated how there was no online adventure here like in the FH3 expansions. Just another step backwards. Lego was the worst. I gave up after 20 mins. I just couldn’t find the motivation to do it. Same reason just repetitive gameplay. I also didn’t like the atmosphere of the game or the clothes/emotes aspect. It just made the game feel like a character customiser made for 8 year old kids. Although the car list was probably the best in any horizon game I didn’t like how claustrophobic the PI system is. Back in Horizon 1 for instance the Pagani Zonda R was R1 and the Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster was R3, yet in 4 they are both S2. It made so many more cars useless for competitive online. I also found the map bland. I wouldn’t say it’s bad but it doesn’t compare to the previous 3. The roads were very repetitive and there wasn’t much in terms of scenery variety. The seasons did help this somewhat but it didn’t change the road layout. I will give credit where credit is due. The constant free cars and the eliminator were nice additions and I loved the constant support for the game. Despite the PI system I also do love the car list and the graphics are beautiful but for me personally there are too many nitpicks I have with this game that outshines the positive. I think the game 1 year after it’s release is what it should have been at launch (it was very broken back then). I just hope FH5 doesn’t suffer from the same factors that holds FH4 back. On its own FH4 is an decent game but compared to its predecessors it just doesn’t hold up. Horizon 1 for me is still the crown of the series with 2 and 3 as solid sequels (though I don’t think they are as good as 1). 4 was 1 step foward 10 steps back.

I would consider myself more of n the hardcore side of the forza franchise, (I preordered the ultimate edition of both horizon 3 and 4 and follow lots of features Easter eggs and basically all news about the game) and to me horizon 2 was the best. Objectively fh4 is without doubt the best, largest map, seasons, largest car list etc etc yet I don’t want to play the game. If I want to play a horizon game I’ll boot up fh2. Fh2 had a much better “feel” to it. I believe this is a a because of the colour pallet used and the focus on differentiating parts of the map without just separating the map into different biomes like they did in fh3. It also had fantastic car sounds which further built the immersion. Fh3-4 on the other hand tried to push too much into too small of a space. The map was covering too many areas at once so it felt like 4 smaller maps whereas fh4 felt empty because there wasn’t much interesting things around the map. I really think for fh4 they under represented the uk, the only reason I go back is to drive on British roads. Since fh3 the saturation has looked too high too, it makes the game look pretty for trailers but after a while it starts to feel cartoony and stops me getting properly immersed. Engine sounds are also another issue that break immersion, especially when the sounds from the same car in older games where better. The story also under delivered, fh2 had an okay story and fh3 had… something, but fh4 had very little. In fh3 we had a race car pack and I think it would have been great for fh4 to have a track with multiple layouts so they could focus some of the story on maybe going from street racing to track racing? Or at least done something considering how large of a part motorsport is British car culture. They’re my main issues compared to my older forza games but compared to other games forza has a horrible problem with the car list and progression. The car list is very high end oriented. This means that money has to come easily and that means the cars don’t feel special. Also the way forzathon works feels tedious rather than rewarding considering I can buy a faster car for basically peanuts in an instant. I would prefer a progression similarly to the map of gran turismo games, lots of cheap cars that can be quite easily bought but having really nice cars that are hard to get but feel amazingly rewarding once you do as well as making the challenge for cars legitimately hard, for instance the license tests, In terms of where the franchise is going, I’m not exited. It seems like they’re going down the more unrealistic route like dirt 5. If I’m completely honest I probably won’t buy fh5 and if fh4 wasn’t in the uk I would probably have been disappointed with my purchase (I think the game was okay, for the two year normal forza schedule, but it got boring after that). Initially I was disappointed with Mexico because it felt like the sections of the map I didn’t like from fh3 but I guess it’s good in a way. I probably won’t buy the game and hopefully by the forza goes to a great location (aka:Japan) they’ll have improved the problems the current games have. This was cut short since I could probably write a short novel on my issues with the forza games and I’m not even getting into the boring “always online” system or such. Hopefully you understand what I’m saying because it’s 1:30am at the time of writing and I probably don’t make much sense at this point.

This is the way content should be produced and executed. Thanks for this video. I watched you FH3 one as well and loved it. FH4 was my first experience with the franchise and I've been hooked ever since I was forced to play it (thank God) trying to get some game pass points. I was never a racing game guy and honestly racing is probably the last thing I do on these games. However I have created my own way of playing the game in order to keep me motivated and keep things fresh no matter how long I play. I am a new fan of the franchise with I believe a unique take on the games that I feel you might be able to create some great content around. Such as how one component of the game attracted me and got me hooked while at the same time created a massively negative mental approach that can effect new players. Do you have an email I could reach out to you on? If not I understand but If you have a few minutes it would be much appreciated.

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I love the multiplayer aspects in this game, but I have a lot of issues with the singleplayer. 1. Terrible progression, it is not rewarding at all. Everything is handed to you in a silver spoon. 2. Terrible car sounds. (I prefer quality > quantity just like in nfs) 3. Forgettable soundtrack 4. No story at all. 5. Too repetitive, after 6 months of singleplayer it becomes really stale. 6. Although I love the elevation of the map, it lacks a lot of soul and the “festival feel” that the first games had. 7. No airport 8. Gosh I hate winter 😂 9. It has bugs from 2018 that havent been fixed Its not a bad game and I always have a blast in mutiplayer with friends, but it lacks a lot of stuff that made the past games great. Great video as always!

when i started fh4 7 months ago, i had tons of gifted money and wheelspin (from Forza rewards website) and lots of gifted cars and stuff. it was like I'm playing someone else's used account. but there's not much complain about it cause i played the game nearly 2 years after launch; fortunately fh5 wouldn't be like this. one of the worst things was treasure map that will prevent you from lots of exploring around the map for finding boards and barn finds. and one of the best things was reward cars from leveling up in different series. by far the feature that i really really missed was championships (not just 3 championships every week in fh4) i personally like to use a different car for each race for example 3 different cars for every championship in fh3 or every seasonal championship in fh4 i drove almost every car in fh3 becase races and championships had a certain car type and class and forced you to drive different cars; on the other hand, i completed all of lego and fortune island dirt and cross country races with a single car (hoonigan rs200)

there are so many great things about the maps throughout the games but it only took me a week from launch to get bored of the map, adding map expansions over time would fix that because its not just a whole other area its a place you could go and still be near the old expansions like if fh5 over time tripled its map size i think it would be a lot better.

Good review Moses! THNX! Mostly I agree with you but you forgot about nice wildlife in FH4! Why you don't include some other issues of FH4: like a terrible car sounds; weak street races (Best ones in FH1 with nice cash rewards); lack of AI pedestrian activity on Map (like Combine harvester in fields, beach with chilling people's etc. (AI pedestrians in this game like prisoners in our 4 walls) ?

Since I follow u on IG, now I do understand why you customize the Ford fiesta ST like this ;)

I don’t agree with half the stuf you said, but you seem like a nice dude ; ) nice video.

I start playing fh4 because I buy gamepass on xbox and the first days I really enjoyed the game but with the wheelspins and gifts and all that things I got 56 cars in jusy 3 days, Now I have 234 and I just play the game when a new season comes out because I find boring doing races only because I want, thats why I liked fh1 and 2 because you race to achive something, you need to put effort in those games. And I just boy TDU2 on steam after seeing your videos and im really enjoying it

Forza Horizon 4 was my first Horizon game and what I wanted out of it changed as I played it. First was just the UK map to drive around on; then it became the races and finally it became getting all the cars. I agree with the map now feeling stale but I put that down to the length the game has been added to and updated; to be honest I am glad that the last car will be released next Thursday and then I don't have to go back to it again for a while, not because I don't love it but purely because I've played it every week for the last two and a half years, I want a break lol. I love the seasons even including winter and love Fortune Island but the Lego never really grabbed me. Multiplayer for me was hit and miss usually down to servers. The Eliminator was fun as well and I liked that they chopped and changed the cars around. The seasonal event I found to become a chore especially near the end just to get the new cars; it just felt like going through the motions half the time. Overall I love this game and I will always come back to it and I will buy FH5 when it comes out though i am not sure if I will play it to the way I have played 4.

I have never played fh4, but always wanted to. But now the ultimate edition of the game is $15.16 in my region in steam summer sale. Is it worth it buying now as fh5 will be out in November ?

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I love every Horizon game equally. each one has things that it does better & worse than the others. There is no one game in the series that does everything better than the others. That’s what keeps me interested in revisiting all of them. I love how they’re all different. It’s all a matter of subjective personal preference. I’ve never lost my excitement and anticipation for each one that comes out as well as the fifth one. Can’t wait for FH5👍🏼👍🏼

You said towards the end that FH5 looks like it'll fix pretty much all of the issues you have with FH4, sooo 2 years later did FH5 fix them? 18:34 I'm wondering, because I'm trying to decide wheather to buy for PC (which one) or neither.

As someone who only really got into Forza Horizon when 5 released I now find FH4 to be the "comfy" FH game. It's pretty similar to FH5 so getting into it was easy for me, and whilst I agree with the directionless-ness, I do really enjoy the athmosphere, the seasons, which visually change things a lot, and the music - Hospital records especially has such a nice, pleasing playlist. That being said I first bought FH4 2+ years ago, but couldn't get into it somehow. I think getting so many pointless things on wheelsspins and winter were the main culprit. These days, I enjoy winter and summer a lot, and find spring and autumn more annoying since it seems to always rain. However I also got FH3 back then, saw beautiful Australia, and got frustrated because I found FH3 much more appealing, but figured it's a dead game. These days, I'd say FH5 feels best to drive and Mexico is wonderfully colorful and diverse, FH4 is just a very comfy, beautiful place, and FH3 has quite different physics and the most striking map. It also has a more realistic look and feel to it, somehow. Currently trying to get my hands on FH1 and FH2 to check them out. Great channel and video, by the way - you definitely deserve more views and subs!

Tbh my favorite feature is the cinematic camera angles you can do lol 😂

You put so much effort in these videos, truly impressive along with the horizon 1 video. Great job especially because you are a small growing KZfaqr

Love your videos

Progression and direction are very important to me. I don’t want to struggle but I also don’t want everything handed to me and unlocked day one.

Am i the only one who drove the Goliath race countless times in Horizon 3 but very little in 4? btw. great video!

I love this game but there are some issues with it. For example, whole game feels like endgame for this game. Does it make sense?

I understand your reasoning for a lack of progression and the wheelspin debacle, but from a hardcore Forza fan who now has a 9-5 job working essentially every day, i feel like the wheelspins are....at least to me, a good way to catch up what i have been missing, again, that's just my opinion. funny thing is, i ignored most the wheelspins until i finished ALL the races and PR stunts in the game, once i did, i THEN do the wheelspins, i think of them as a bonus for doing everything in the game.

They dont have a bugeye wrx why?

You know I don't even have a clue if I have done this Goliath race you speak of or that I am struggling to progress with the game. That's the most confusing thing about this game. There is not much to do offline tbh.

I wish i had all the activities (photo competition, super 7 ecc) since the beginning of the game. I did all the races 2 years ago now and i came back lately because of those new activity but for a while i felt the game empty of contents, i mean as you said once you do the goliath you go back to the free roam and thats all.

I think the Speed Champions campaign mode was disappointing, but the map was great. I love racing on Falcon speedway, drag racing at the airport, doing stunts at the stunt park, and just exploring everything.

My view of this game is somewhere in the middle, similar to yours I guess. I love the game but I also have a lot of gripes with it. I play this game almost exclusively single player and the content is just not there, and there aren't really any motivation to do more races since they're just... more races. It just feels empty and I feel no clear direction.

Re-bought FH1 after watching your "genesis" video, boy I used to think tha FH3 was good with a wheel, but that's nothing compared to the ridiculously fun experience with FH1. I swear I'm not exaggerating, the ffb feels as 'natural' as in Assetto Corsa, in fact, it's sort of a similar experience but simplified and some aspects are a bit magnified (like weight transfer, or lift off oversteer). But the biggest difference between the first 2 vs the last 2 games is how unique every car is. On FH 3 and 4, it feels like all cars are made with just a couple of variables, like power, weight, drivetrain and weight distribution. If 2 cars have similar characteristics, they feel exactly the same while driving. On the other hand, Horizon 1 & 2 cars are so unique, no matter how similar the might be specs-wise, they just feel so different from one another. Sound plays a key factor in this as well.

yea it doese get stale but its still asome just to chill with friends and share your tracks and explore

I love this game, but i wish they would actually focus on single player, ive played the game totally offline and it sucks not being able to even sell cars in your garage, when games like test drive let you do that offline years ago

I love FH4 and have dumped hundreds of hours into it. But I like a competitive element AND playing with friends. That's where I land on my single biggest gripe with the game: Almost every team ranked adventure is literally pointless. League points are almost never added your rank because too many players leave mid-game. Are they fixing it in Horizon 5?

Been a PlayStation player my whole life and played every racing game it has to offer. I’m getting a series X this month for horizon 5. Do you think it’s a good idea getting this before horizon 5 comes out at the end of the year? I’ve only played horizon 3 out of the whole series.