So, the complete list of changes to visuals since launch are as follows: •Improved color grading •Improved cloud rendering on some tracks with certain weather conditions •Changed the position of the sun in the garage and some fictional tracks •Removed some eccentric fictional trackside details from real-world track locations •Changed intensity of headlights at night •Improved distant tree rendering on some tracks And... that's basically it. Still looks largely unchanged even in comparisons with update 1 compared to update 9, I'm like a machine that sees through color grading. It doesn't affect the game's basically quality level to me at all. The cloud rendering is a huge change only visible some of the time because it is clear that they only fixed some sky conditions. This still looks like a low-budget low-effort game, and we know it isn't. Compare this to the GT7 special showcase event and what actually released less than 1 year later and then 1 year after launch. Huge changes from the special showcase to launch day and tiny changes after launch to present (which has been over 1 year). The only thing GT7 could do that will wow players at this point is give us new tracks and update existing tracks. I think PD will reserve new scans for GT8 to further differentiate it from GT7, and I won't hold that against them so long as the changes being held back are visual. If a track layout is changed, meaning actual track configuration or length altered, these should make it into GT7, and I will hold that against PD. So far, as I am aware, and it's not like I follow each tracks' actual changes in real life, this hasn't happened yet; all changes to real locations so far have been cosmetic. Other games have similar progression curves, which is why I'm really hopeful that LMU improves greatly before the full launch. Additionally, I'm really hoping iRacing's visual upgrades will be worth the wait and live up to all the hype from the developer.

​@@VariantAECI agree that FM doesn't look perfect yet, but it doesn't look like a low budget game, definitely not

All this was done purposely These are very smart developers they know what they were doing there is a complete perfectly working beautiful game already done already... and better looking even than Forza Motorsport 7 sharp and crisp and running like a dream... Been saying this from the start... But after seeing games like CyberPunk this is how they keep gamers invested and keep them coming back each update hoping to get that next fix and to see what's added next... It's a brilliant tactical business model to follow and it's working. Mentally gamers would of moved on by now bored if given a fully working game straight out the box was released from day one this is they way things are now adays am afraid.

@@tonypeters4029 Wacky conspiracy you have made up for yourself there.

​@@VariantAEC Wacky Because developers find it so hard huh, poor developers... That's why people like you are so easily robbed, and has let the gaming industry be in the state it has because of people like you... Again I stated this from the very beginning it will turn around like CP77 and get all the praise at the end. Listen not everybody is so gullible or naïve like the majority of the gaming public who only starting to actually not pre order games until they are actually released to see if it working or not, slow thinkers and can't see the bigger picture so that's why they are releasing unfinished games. Drip feeding us updates that shouldn't take skilled programmers this long to give us a fully working game. They can and they won't they rather keep us glued to this game for the whole duration of it's life span means more money for them keeping sales of the game til the end.

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nah ur just a picky lil btch not everything in real life has the most color ever, gtfo, useless, go back to ur nfs

Their colour expert seemingly done this stellar job.

Washed out?

@@nihilityjoey The game was very desaturated before this patch. Look at the grass, it's nearly grey. Putting it in an image editor reveals the saturation is only 17 - 25%. Grass should be closer to 75% saturated green. The new one isn't very close to reality either.

mean while gt7 has better lighting sense launch and you can make lobbys with different role playing. like cops lobby. 😂 motorsport loses here. and its even popular with the japanese players including me! so, when i make a lobby, im gonna name it, japanese only.

Agreed, but the new clouds look decidedly worse.

I say they look better than update 7​@VariantAEC

​​@@VariantAECwhat?? It looks much better, before they were extremely yellowish, they just need to correct the shadow of the clouds being very blue, making them almost blend in with the sky and fix the brightness a little on some maps

@@andrededecraf The color grading is more like what you'd see on a clear sunny day, but the clouds look worse and less believable in update 9 with pockets of very high density volumes that look wrong. There is one point in this video where I do think the clouds look very realistic and also look like an improvement over all prior updates shown in this video, but that appears to be the exception.

​@@zacharyfiddie2730Update 5?

That probably takes longer to fix but surely they're working on it

Hopefully they will do, especially in standard paint the cars look a bit off

That has been a Forza Motorsport thing since forever.

@@HugoCostaCancio The 360 games had decent paint, and Forza 5/Horizon 2 had amazing paint.

They Will never get it right.

They closed my post in the forza forums about the Murcielago SV and one of the moderators there said that they are working on a large audio initiative. They did it for the Zonda Cinque as well, hopefully they do this for most terrible sounding cars

Please can you request for the volkswagon golf r32 sounds to be updated ?​@AhmadGalalYT

@@AhmadGalalYT nice to hear that

​@@AhmadGalalYTi think FM2023 still has awful sounds even after so many updates yet it won racing game of the year. This is unfair.

@@damarfadlan9251agreed

That happens with recent Microsoft games, they come out very incomplete and it takes many months to be what they should have been at the beginning.

​@mute1259 this is exactly why you shouldn't buy games at launch. Rather wait for patches and content updates

​@@ld9387game pass is the reason

Just like what happened with halo infinite

I think covid make the game release rushed

Hm only half of the tracks look better now.. some tracks look worse.. but hey.. a good step in the right direction. Its not as this is a big change. You could alter the color saturation of each track already before in the ini-files. You had to do this for each track but it was possible.

Definitely something weird going on there. The brightness of the track doesn't match with the sky at all. On track it looks like an overcast day.

This FM, nor any FM ever looked photo realistic. Cars have always looked plastic since FM1. Still do. Environments still look fake and often flat. Road textures look too smooth. Grass looks too smooth. The little bit of 3D grass that is there is hardly noticeable. On top ofball that, in my real world experiences, at least during spring and summer and even in fall, (because it's still hot as hell in the Fall here) the outside world is quite vibrant/colorful. Basically depends on what the developers chose for the time of year. But before update 9, this game looked extremely washed and flat. Super unrealistic in my opinion, and even further away from "photo realistic" that it never achieved.

You’re 100% right. If you want a game world to look more realistic you actually need to desaturate colours. Take a look at Driveclub for example. It still has some of the most realistic lighting and weather effects in any game and it looks that way because it doesn’t over saturate colours. Same with Red Dead Redemption 2. Colours are more muted giving the environments a more natural look.

I don’t see Jesus there

😂😂​@@Mohashm

It's due to weather condition

@@Mohashm lol, yeah in fact i only recommend watching in 4k 60 only, its (almost) what i actually saw youtube upload reduce clarity abit

@@Rezamajediit’s the same in both clips - mostly clear. why would they have two diff weathers in a comparison? use your brain

It's about time 😆

Yea I think the lighting especially at evening or night is one of the strongest parts of this game. It is definitely superior to Horizon in that regard

Go see a doctor

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They need yo fix so many car models its insane, but they wont be part of any of current forza games.

Agreed they need to fix the awful sound when you upgrade the transmission, that's why I don't even upgrade the transmission on my cars

Just get Gamepass for a month and try it

It's ghosting due to Anti-Aliasing or Resolution Upscaling

I've never seen it that bad on Forza though ​@1zboro1

It's Temporal Anti-Aliasing (TAA). It's a low computational cost form of anti-aliasing that tries to smooth hard edges by using data from previous frames and the current frame to extrapolate the next frame and smooth it. It can be very effective, but struggles a lot in racing games and games where the camera is attached to a very fast-moving object (you'll notice as the car's speed increases the ghosting also increases). Forza's implementation has always been pretty lazy and imprecise, (probably to maximize performance over visual fidelity) but in this entry for some reason it's particularly egregious. It's also pretty bad in ACC for similar reasons.

That's probably gonna take longer to do

@@ld9387 tbf if the game was truly "bUiLt fRoM tHe gRoUnD Up" then we wouldn't have these sorts of expectations

They wont do it for any of the current forza. You would have to wait for the next forza titles

Let me put my car as an example. The 2017 Honda Civic Type R. Or 2018 for this game. Every exterior piece that is black and glossy in real life, from the front grille, eye lids, front bumper garnishes, side pillars between the windows, rear bumper garnishes, spoiler, and lower deck of the spoiler...for some odd reason, T10 devs decided to make a brownish color. If you zoom in on it, it looks like a cement texture. It should be pitch black and glossy. The front lip, side skirts, and rear lip all have a red pin stripe in real life. In Forza Motorsport, the side skirt has a white pin stripe on both sides of the car. That white also goes into the front wheel wells. Also, the whole front and rear lip and side skirts is just a pitch black plastic in real life, that has this weave texture made onto it. It's also rough to the touch. In Forza Motorsport, they made it actual carbon fiber with a smooth clear coat. The fender side markers are a brighter orange in real life. In FM, they're brownish orange. Same withbthe rear bumper reflectors. They should be a brighter red in real life. In FM, they're a dark brownish red. Hardly noticeable in the game. Since we have the option to look inside, we'll the back of the front seats aren't supposed to be some clear coated carbon fiber either. Neither should the engine cover. There's very visible weather stripping along the front of the hood over the headlights, all the way over to the other headlight. It's non existent in FM, yet GT7 didnit wonderfully. Most of this stuff I put in my community posts

Oh and not to forget, the overly chromed out muffler tips that also look plastic. GT7 nailed it though. Almost all cars have some wierd issue with anything silver and metal looking like chrome plastic, but GT7 does so well at making them look the part...

What do you mean? I use the same time of the day and weather conditions in direct comparison.

@@MotoGamesTV the garage shots are different

That's because T10 did change there. I can't control sun position in the garage.

@@MotoGamesTV hmm ok ok, about tracks, 18:43 looks basically the same while in some other instances, lighting looks different.

Not until next forza game most likely.

Who cares about the sky in a racing game anyway? 😂

Literally first 14 minutes of this video

@@MotoGamesTV hahah sorry, I totally ignored the line that describes playing on Xbox, reading only the Pc Specs

Better than gran cartoon torismo

@@taha7383no gt7 has far more photorealistic car models so much more detail, stop with the cope, fm cars looks like toy cars, And not to mention many of the outdated inaccurate car models fm still using that straight port from fm1.

@@andreasmoller9798 lamo cartoon graphics

@@taha7383you keep talking nonsense you pretty much have no idea how a car should look in real life, gt7 has far more photorealistic car models, forza is the one look like cartoon, and its not even use accurate car models, stop with the cope, you can take picture in gt7 and fool people its a real car, you cant do that in fm, it looks much more like a game campared to realife, Gt7 is much better at rendering different materials so it looks accurate, in forza every material almost looks like plastic, like carbon fiber dosen’t look like carbon fiber at all, headlights taillights looks very bad as well in forza for most cars, Witch is something that gt7 nails.

@@andreasmoller9798 cartoon game

Performance RT

Do you prefer perf rt over perf?​@@MotoGamesTV

@@javier1998 Perf RT is (around)1440p 60fps with RT vs Perf which is 4K 60 with no RT.

@@javier1998 I prefer performance, but people wanted to see video in performance rt.

Finally 😀

People don't think this is a real problem, but it is. I play GT7, and have no problem getting the cars around corners at high spped vs. FM where I have to slow way down to get the cars to rotate. You can even see it in this video: MotoGamesTV has to overcorrect to hit the corner curbs because they can't drive the cars at the limit (on the outside) like in a real racing game. Everybody raves about the physics being the best ever, but that's because it's mostly kids who play in third person. The understeer problem is even more pronounced in cockpit view.

@@PLAYER_42069 this game made me go buy a playstation and GT7. I've compared lap times in same cars / same track and the time differences are comical. The understeering in Motorsport absolutely ruins the game. Some cars even feel like they're on ice the way you have to drive them. I thought I'd never say it but GT7 SMOKES Motorsport clean out the water.

@@PLAYER_42069 I keep saying, Forza Motorsport was the best advert ever for playstation and gran turismo. I'm only a casual too bro, I'm not a hardcore SIM racer but I enjoy trying to perfect my lap times, Forza is just pointless even trying. Add me if you ever want to have a mess around bro. Skan0121 👍🏻👍🏻

Not exactly because the current forza game will not get the new reacanned car models, so the potential is already blown

Nope gt7 and fh5 both looks better.

@@andreasmoller9798 no

@@andreasmoller9798 gt7 doesn’t look realistic

​@Beluga.. Soooo FM plastic cars look real to you over GT7's photo realistic looking ones? Or FM badly modeled plastic cars I should say. Environment and cars are very easily seen as a video game. Not even photo mode without HIGHLY editing it, can make it look realistic. I can take, and have taken basic photos in GT7 and people have mistaken it for real life. Not talking about scapes mode either. Talking about gameplay. No matter how many times I take photos in FM, it NEVER fooled anyone. It's obviously very "video gamey."

@@Beluga..gt7 looks more photorealistic than fm. The key to getting realistic look is to use accurate car models and accurate tracks witch fm dosent in many cases, its worst with cars, with many outdated models, materials thst look either low quality or not look like it should, in forza carbon fiber can look like plastic same with headlights and tailights witch forza never been able to get right, some cars worse than others, but its not in gt7 league at all, pd are wizards when it comes to attention to detail, from rendering different materials, looks very close to real life, exhausts even changes if you upgrade them witch forza still dosent do.

Update 4 - February

oh no, it doesnt impress joescivic! whatever we will do? -turn 10 employee

@@iambrd1543 Cry some more about a comment someone leaves, I guess

​@@joescivic why do I get gta definite edition vibe from this new forza motorsport ?😂😂😂😂😂😂