I see no lies detected; these are indeed the facts of the matter.

MBAs ruin everything. Soulless

​@@AutomotiveVPForza motorsport, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and Forza horizon, 2 , 3, 4, 5. All trash on all aspects, ps1 gran turismo superior on all aspects.

@@playstationnationwins Nah bro, now you are tripping. I know you are a Sony fanboy but not Forza games aren't trash on all aspects. Just because you played two Forza games that were bad doesn't mean they are all the same. Forza Motorsport 3, 4, Horizon 1, 2 and 3 are actually good. The rest is kinda meh or I haven't played so I can't talk about it. But saying that Gran Turismo 1 and 2 are better than all Forza's is crazy, specially comparing an arcade game like GT with Forza Horizon which is a simcade. And no, I'm not a Forza fanboy. I love both Forza and Gran Turismo and I can admit that all of those games have issues.

Bro iam a gran turismo fan,but i do agree that forza horizon 1 and 2 is good

Absolutely, mate! This Forza release should have made the GT7 developers think, 'Hang on, we need to up our game again.' No doubt when they look at Forza now, they think, 'Nah, we are safe. Lost the only chance they had to catch up! as always!

Yes, this is facts. For example take a look at GT6 premium model Silvia S15, in GT7 PD remade the whole car from scratch just to update their old GT6 premium car model that's already good, detailed, and accurate proportion to irl car. The effort PD puts in every GT franchise is insane, I'm not surprised if the next GT installment comes with a freshly remade car from the previous GT franchise, or even they'll be adding a feature like forzavista but only for the vr showroom. This is like a hard pill to swallow for forza fans, they can't deny this facts and it will always be like that.

Gt7 all the cars a exactly what they are bc in gt7 PD went out and found the car that they wanted to add or already had in the game and literally took thousands of pics of the cars that’s y they are so in depth and look so real even the tracks they went to them scanned them and took thousands of pictures yeah it sucks only having just over 400 cars in gt7 but all 400 cars are exactly what they look like and sound like irl especially look like 😊

Exacly bro they take so much time with there cars like literally we only get a 3 car update per month.

the physics were built from the ground up the core game itself... cars are just visual assets

Forza almost caught up with 3 n 4 but then just fell off.

They had this one shot I think and they F**** it! I would get a refund if I could. 🥲

Dude, as someone who’s never played GT and only been playing Forza Motorsport/horizon for the past 5 years, I can tell you it doesn’t even compare to GT. I’ve gotten so sick of these outdated car models, and the fact that they just kept recycling them every time they made a new game shocked me. With Gran Turismo however, the car models ALONE have me sold. The only reason I don’t have the game is cause I only have XBOXs and I can’t afford a PlayStation right now.

Forza Motorsport 8 is alot better Forza beats Gran Turismo

@@marvinrodriguez7971 Keep dreaming 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@spaz8461as someone who has played every forza title within 5 years I can confirm 😭 forza 8 is a disgrace

Hey, Congrats! Enjoy your new PS5 and GT7. 👏🏻

Seems fun, I would buy it

Best move you could have made 👍🏽 enjoy it

Hey, I got a question. Didn't you feel a bit odd the steering system on GT compared to Forza?

All companies do that

​@@TinyBearTimNo? Don't act like this is normal

@@ethanwayne6973this is pretty normal.

@@ethanwayne6973 it’s very normal most reviews are fake u need to make a bin fire of a product to get something that won’t be considered a good review

Are you 10....this has been the case since the 90s​@@ethanwayne6973

😅 Thank you mate

​@@AutomotiveVP gt7 does look beautiful and better looking then fm8 the only reason I will get a xbox series x is horizon 6 test drive unlimited hopefully a better nfs but I do have my fat ps5 so yes gt7 is way better

Forza in the beginning looked to me like a cartoon. It's not much better than that now

Even on PC too! I wish WRC was this quality in VR

Forza = full all trash.

This F40 Model dates back to FM2 bud

@@freewayz32 it does not, the F40 got a significant remodel for FM5, now the whole thing has a lot better proportions, but is still far from a great model

Of course, you have some in GT7 that don't make sense, such as the Supra RZ that can swap to a Huayra engine, or the DeLorean that can swap to the engine of one of the SEMA cars rather than the Porsche 911.

@@X2011racer the v12 supra is actually a reference to the top secret supra which has a custom twin turbo v12 from the Toyota century but since we don’t have a century in game. They decided to use the AMG/Huaya engine instead

Well no shit smart guy if there's less cars there's more time to put detail into them that's why forza is better as an overall game

@@Xtremegamingg27 lmaoo how is forza a better game they are literally using a decade old models and many cars has copy and paste sounds🤡

@@flameburstgt6503 and they still more cars than gt7 and there's more cars that sound different than the same and car models doesn't make a game good or not

No questions asked!

we love the way you rant, you're ranting in 4K quality so keep up the good work lol

@@martemontero3676 Thank you mate!

@@AutomotiveVP your way

Keep it the way it is bruv. Whenever you speak this way you conceal no truth and you speak your mind better than when you are being proffesional. Some people will dislike you for it and some will appreciate it you for it. Also it is hilarious how sad the length some people go to, to defend a game that clearly is inferior in car modeling.

hey, could you compare the FM5 vs FM8 vs GT7 models? FM5 seems to have better models than FM8, it would be a good idea to point that out too

Don't even waste your time on them. I try to correct them and prove them wrong, but I always end up getting dragged into the fight, so I feel like I have no choice. I don’t understand how they can accept this, to be honest. Haha, and thank you! pure melts bro!

No matter which GT game you're playing or on what console, GT has always been synonymous with quality! The PS3 was a crazy console. I love and miss Motorstorm have you played it yet? I still have my PS3 set up. I’m lucky enough to own a PS5, but your day will come, fellow gamer!

@@AutomotiveVPThank you for your kind words 😊 I know that game, but I'm never try it before. One day I will. You're right. Someday I will have the time comes! Keep it up, man!

Wow! You're lucky it still runs well on your PS3! I own 2 of them and neither can handle GT6 anymore 😥

@@andreasaldal415 I wish if I can help you, bud. I hope for the best of your PS3. you might be replace the HDD (since replacing HDD is a common workaround to improve the performance of the console) 😉

It COULD have been good... IF YOU COULD OPEN THE WINDOWS THAT IS.

Yeah, you can see that Ferrari red, huh? GT did a great job on the paint quality with GT7

Thanks, mate! I've upgraded to making higher-quality 4K videos instead of sticking with KZfaq's recommendations. Now, it takes about 30-40 minutes to render the video in the editing software. After that, uploading takes around 30 minutes, followed by another 30 minutes or more for KZfaq to process the video in 4K. So, it’s about 2 hours in total just to get the video live on KZfaq.

Worth the wait

PD got employees from all around the globe I'm sure but Turn10 simply shouldn't employ people who are incompetent

Turn 10's issue isn't DEI. DEI isn't the reason any company has issues tbh. T10's problem is that they didn't have consistent management and rushed shit out the door

@@RiffleVFXportfolio - Look at Turn 10's promotional videos and how they showed the diversity of their team as much as promoting features they couldn't deliver. Only a company obsessed with DEI crafts promotional material to emphasize the diversity of their staff. Who among those they interviewed were employed by Turn 10 back when they were making FM4, 5 and 6? Most of those interviewed look like new members. None of them look remotely like car enthusiasts. Why else would they work on unnecessary features (like creating modes to allow blind people to race)? Are blind people allowed to drive, let alone race, in real life? Yet, Turn 10's staff thought to include features meant for people who aren't allowed to participate in the activity their product was centered on. That screams DEI. Sure, DEI wasn't their only problem since upper management also had the controversy with their contracts - hiring part-time to avoid paying benefits. But then again, should we be surprised? People who virtue-signal the loudest are the ones doing the shadiest things behind closed doors. The corrupt and devious signal their virtue because they have no virtue or integrity at their core. Lastly, Turn 10 had 6 years to develop FM8. PD had 5 years to develop GT7. You can't say Turn 10 "rushed" things out of the gate because they had more time to develop than their competition. It's more like they wasted development time pandering to the woke mob that doesn't even buy their games than actually brain-storming how they can develop the best product for the fans that actually play their games.

Did you just learn about DEI so you just throw the term around for everything even when it makes no sense? Microsoft game studios contracts out all the devs and they keep them for 12 months, some get extended to 18 months. After that, they can not be rehired to work on a microsoft game for several months so most of them just move on. The result is that people never get very comfortable or good with the game engine or the vision of the game. Nothing to do with DEI. Microsoft does this to avoid having to give devs benefits, retirement, bonuses, or even decent pay.

I can’t believe you just blamed a game being worse on diversity

Yea, stupid for them to do that, best way is in livery editor.

Oh yeah, the more i watched, the more problems showed with the model. Those I wont comment on. It's just too much looooool. The unaligned screws is an omega kek.

This is what I mean, they must look at the car and think, 'meh, that will do.' Also, I swear the F40 looks squashed in Forza, lol.

Left the chat:

Yet GT5 STILL beats Forza 8.

@@opshredderytp I have issues with both xD GT5 pisses me off with weak AI and no power limits so players can pick overpowered cars, and even when they try fit into rest of cars, they still often end up with overpowered cars.

The difference is when GT reuse models they advertise it as reused models while Forza never really admits to reusing models

No way, I bet you're right; it really does look identical. I have yet to learn Substance Designer and Painter. I have the courses, but I'm currently working on level design. I want to get good at both Substance Designer and Painter.

Thank you, no I have not checked it, well I don't think I have. Going to look when I get back on! Thanks mate.

The rust on the screws and bolts the faded paint the chipped interior paint is very well done you should check it out

Haha, glad you enjoyed it! It's whatever comes to mind while I'm speaking. Not including the headlight animation is stupid and lazy as hell. Good to see you again, mate. Back to work tomorrow ugh, but at least I managed to get a video out for everyone. It'd be good to catch up, friend, and get those GT challenges going 100%

​@@AutomotiveVPI totally understand that. Work and family come first. I'm putting a huge project together and wanted to see if you would be interested in it. I think I mentioned that a while ago. When I have all the details ironed out I'll let you know. Have a good one and see ya in the next video.

All day, I want to find a car that loses tho hahahah

@@AutomotiveVPsearching for a while

Como puedes decir que se siente mas real, si nunca has conducido un F40 en Nurburgring

@@camilobermudez6683 siii lo tiene mi primo y los veranos siempre nos damos un par de vueltas o tres en ese circuito que tienen una casa allí

Hey, listen, we all can't have the same opinion, and if you prefer Forza, that's great for you, but I must respectfully disagree. Before I delve into my reply, it's important to note that both games feature photomode and showroom mode, which are significant for those of us who like to admire the cars in detail. So, the attention to 1:1 details really does matter for players. I’ve spent hours admiring the cars in VR, which is a real treat from the developers. Regarding track detail, I'm not sure how you can say one is more realistic than the other. For instance, GT7 replicates the tracks almost perfectly, as it does with the cars. In this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aJd6jN1q29u7YJc.html it's evident that GT7 has more detailed tracks, with better textures, grass, and even accurately placed trees. I understand that gameplay preference is subjective, but personally, I much prefer playing in VR with a fully detailed interior view rather than on a flat screen. I'm here to chat and debate, no hate, mate. Greetings from the UK and thanks for your comment!

@@AutomotiveVP Ey escucha, no tenemos que tener todos la misma opinión, así que respeta la opinión del resto con respeto; yo lo he hecho ya que no he faltado a nadie al respeto y menos le he intentado a nadie convencer de mi postura, solo digo mi humilde opinión como imagino que tú la tuya, eso espero; de lo que otros opinen yo no sufro así que menos lo hagas tú como creador de contenido así que sin resquemores vale? No soy fanboy de nada solo honesto. Desde España my fried. Saludos

@@victorio681 It seems like there might be some frustration, perhaps it’s a misunderstanding from your side :)

I've seen better f40 models in roblox lol

Thanks bro!

One of them don't and it's not playstation

@olavofernandes7286 ahh yes a measured and well thought out take.

Wrong developer lol polyphony digital is developer of gran turismo the f40 in gran turismo 7 has the gear animation sound you can hear it

It's another Forza total fucked up cause it's generic blow-off sound for many turbo cars in Forza. IRL F40 doesn't have blow off valves, it had bypasses which do not make a "psshhh" sound. Another point is increasing noise of the growing boost is perfectly distinguishable as the engine speed increases in GT7, what is not heard in the Forza.

I would like a comparison of toyota gr010 oh wait forza motorsports does not have that 😅

@@olavofernandes7286 😂

The Crew Motorfest should have won Racing Game of the Year; it was stolen from them. Whoever gave Forza the award needs sacking!

The gap is to big to catch now!

@@AutomotiveVPreal shame because i used to love forza so much with fm3 and fm4, but up to fm6 they was quite decent for me.

Most likely revealed next year.

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Erm you can swap the engine in gran turismo 7 aswell although you have to be collector lol 50 also no drivetrain swap since its complicated irl but there is other interesting performance upgrades etc

@@olavofernandes7286 sick dude! I just saw that today, I'm about to get to that rank lol I know it's going to be a bitch but I'm getting everything gold so it's not too hard for me

Because this is a GT7 fanboy, he only watches car models in VR🤣 GT7 went all in for the car models which look great, but when driving it lacks other details instead.

@@M-hq9xz did you not see the start of the video when he was looking at both on the track?

@@notabyst4nder He looks mainly on the cars, thats why he wont do a Brands Hatch comparison too. He can't make Forza look as worse as he wishes then

​@M-hq9xz In most cases, GT7 tracks look better and more accurate. Brands Hatch being the newer track added to FM, is one of the rarer cases where it actuallyblooks good. Probably the only track in my opinion, where I like the Forza version more. Grass is still hideous in every track though. You can barely see the 3D grass, therefor it makes it look stupid smooth. Grass is way thicker and more noticeable in GT7 on all tracks. It makes the track look better when it doesn't look so smooth or flat like FM.

Also, most of the time, even the asphalt is way more textured in GT7. Again, looking smooth in most tracks on FM. The BIGGEST detail FM has over GT7....is the 3D trees. There's some 3D trees on certain tracks in GT7 though. Besides, he has done several videos on not just cars, but track details too....

They sounds are pretty good in gt7 better thsn fm i would say.

False

I say this all the time: just because I prefer GT in the car comparisons doesn't make me a fanboy. How can I give Forza credit when it’s supposed to showcase the capabilities of the Xbox Series X and next-gen platforms? it's f***** Dog S****

So basicly you like stealing ready made car models ripps from other game to ac yes

@@olavofernandes7286 stealing I don’t think so because I’m redoing textures

​@@MUSTAFASAHIN-kq5rd yes in ready made car model instead built from scratch

Nope you can't even here the rain in forza meanwhile in gran turismo 7 you can

Bro, We literally done PS4 GT7 VS Max Settings on PC 🖥️ using a 4090! Cope bro 👊

Nope

It’s not

@@Tyriq_23 pretty sure it doesn’t have real mirrors. Maybe you don’t know what “real mirrors” on assetto are

So when he literally plays both games, and also shows that he plays FM not only on Xbox, but also plays it on PC, somehow that isn't experience? Out of every FM, and I've played them all since the first and been a huge fan since, this has been the most boring of them all. Unless you mainly play free play or online, because the career is extremely short, then you're left with that. GT7, especially in VR, is always more engaging and never has a boring moment, whether it's racing, or looking at the cars in showroom, or looking at them if you can't buy them with your credits. The Cafe kept took me longer to complete than FM's career, and there are still weekly races and daily races to complete. You can mess around with scapes mode with hundred of real locations around the world to make realistic photos if you're into that, and GT7's more complex photo mode. You have missions or licenses to do as well. Some stuff may not be everyone's cup of tea, but honestly, this FM hasn't been the most fun. It's very short, and very basic. I want it to get better though. I still play it often to finish a new series that comes out each week, which lasts like an hour, then wait for next week's series....

@joescivic GT7 seems like the same old game, only more menus, which takes more time to customize cars and start races. Forza seems more enjoyable and new compared to boring GT7. It seems like the car physics are stationary, and the track moves around the cars. When you slide and crash it, it really looks like an arcade game from the 1990s.

@MrHemikid426 and you can still adjust the camera chase cam settings to show more movement. Besides, stop racing in 3rd person. Kind of defeats playing any racing game like a sim. Problem solved. Don't have to look at the "stationary" view. Sounds like you just copy and paste what you see others say anyways. Besides, actual sim racing games use that "stationary" camera too. It sure does make it easier to use a more stiff camera for us wheel users. But I don't use that view unless I'm just checking things out. It's not a crashing simulator, so try to stop crashing and you won't worry about how it looks. Most of what you said is your opinion anyways. So have at it. Opinions are neither right or wrong. 🤷‍♂️

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Surely Sony will come to their senses and release GT7 on PC. It makes no sense not to

Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon are 2 completely different games. Motorsport does not have a map creator.

@@joescivic true but still the same vehicle models Forza horizon 5 looks just as bad

You do know GT Sport is the game before GT7, right? Came out for the same generation Playstation as GT7. 2021 car models make no difference. T10 does not have the same passion Polyphony has when it comes to the extra little details...and on top of that, doing the details right. Sure they can make a car look the part, but 9 times out of 10, even the new cars get messed up. Cars feel amazing on my Fanatec DD+. There's so much more feel of the road and car than I ever felt on my last wheel setup. If you're on controller, you're simply missing out. I say this all as a diehard Forza fan, but even I have the integrity to admit when something I normally would stand up for, messed this one up. Being a fan of something doesn't mean meatriding them, even when they failed to deliver their false promises.

@@joescivic GT sport..... 😂😂😂😂 Absolute flop of a GT title Literally a whole GEN without a Proper GT GT7 ain't that great Hense why people gotta go on and on about how it looks... Nobodys cares.. Haven't had a good GT since 4 /5 Funnily enough the same with forza 3/4 Horizon holds it together for forza now unfortunately One thing poly has absolutely nailed is the passion That i can definitely agree Microsoft/T10 given out 18 month contracts so they don't have to pay benefits is scum 2021+ models on forza all look far superior to the old re scan But they never get mentioned because it'll be another 10 year's before they reach GT

​@MRJAYDANGEROUS your fact is just another false illusion just to protect your forza unlike Microsoft sony actuly take their time wisely to get quality game

Fm car models is garbage always has been gt7 has much more photorealistic car models

You do realise the rosso corsa red is not accurate in forza

@@olavofernandes7286 It might be the KZfaq compression and such, because when I google "Rosso Corsa Red", the Forza color in this video for some odd reason looks more 'accurate' to real life light interval. (Which is weird, because so many other colors do absolutely not look better.) I might need to boot up the game and check for myself. Still, this video is the only odd one out though in terms of color reflection.

@@andreasmoller9798 Forza Motorsport 1 through 4 were absolutely stellar and way way way better than anything Gran Turismo was putting out at the time. With FM5 they started slacking. GT7 just completely blew everyone away and is just the king of car detail since it released and left FM in the dust.

​@@LongTimeAgoNLif you zoom in gran turismo 7 car body you can see metal flakes