Stevie Wonder wouldn't even approve of this model.

They actually modeled the serial numbers onto the side marker lenses in GT7. Wow.

Further proof that GT cares about their cars

I'm also disappointed that when you upgrade the exhaust in Forza it's appearance stays stock, but GT7 every exhaust changes style.

GT7 looks and feels like it's at least 5 years ahead despite Forza Motorsport being a newer game

Forza does this thing with paint where every car has easily visible orange peel. Some cars have orange peel and some don't. Hell some have orange peel on a few panels and others don't. T10 just threw it on every car and made the paint reflect like a mirror regardless of paint type.

Ive actually sat in a S15 and let me tell you that GT7 is so damn close to perfection in their model. There are details that normal people wouldnt even notice in 1000 years like the logo on the side indicators Forza on the other hand is if you asked someone to model it from memory.

Been playing GT since the first game when it released so I consider myself a massive GT fan. I have not bought any MTX on the game ever and will never do that either. GT7 isn’t perfect but it’s still an incredible game and I always look forward to new stuff in the game.

Again the materials just look real on GT, plastic looks like plastic, metal looks like metal, glass looks like glass.

I wanna share a quick fact I found recently on GT7: LM55 VGT, the cable connecting the steering wheel to the car in the cockpit moves with the g forces of the car. I didn’t expect that level of detail from GT7 today

They should add a "garage mode" in GT7 for non VR players so we could freely explore the car models as well. Similar to what they do with Forzavista.

Exactly! People bashed GT7 because of microtransactions but the cars or tracks are not behind a paid DLC, like day one car pass or VIP pass and so go on. Another point is the "always online" thing. Here in Brazil, some Xbox fanboys websites kept talking about this, saying that Forza never had this problem...but when the new FM got released, nobody pointed at it and said "WTF!!??". I have a Series X and a PS5 and like both. I'm a big fan of GT and FM. But I won't defend a half baked game like the new FM. Nordschleife? No. Imola? No? Bathrust? No. Is this a racing game? Cheers from Brazil!

even many s15 in older games were accurate than forza

I love the head shake at 8:25 like you're in disbelief Turn 10 would produce such garbage and label it as built from the ground up.

Its insane that Forza is still using car models since Forza Motorsport in 2005. Nearly 20 years later.

FM graphics either too shiny or too matt but nonetheless it is "Built from the ground up"

Tis model in FM looks like T10 couldn't get the licence so changed it enough to be able to add it in. It's so bad it makes me wonder how it was ticked off to be put in the game.

I was one of the people who let the hate and review bombs discourage them from buying GT7 until almost a year later. I wish I got it on release.

Man they don't realize car pack on forza and acc is lock under mtx while in GT7 money pack is optional and you get dlc track and cars for free

The car models are incredible on gt7 I just don't like the gameplay personally but I agree it didn't deserve the hate it got Motorsport is really not upto par for this generation but I do prefer the gameplay of Motorsport I think the handling Is more fun for me just ashame the rest of the game is pretty poor

We need Gran Turismo on PC.....

that whole "but the game is filled with micro transactions" rant is so effing true. people crying because they cant easily get a 20mil car have never played other GT's. You just earned a follower!

Fm uses the same recycled model from the first forza motorsport game, its big joke, the built from the ground up bs talk has caught up to,them and this is far from the only bad car model in forza have a look at skyline r32 to its a complete disaster, and both those car models is beautiful in gt7, both cars are also in need for speed heat witch also is better models than forza,

i was blown away when looking at the diablo gt in vr. the rear fans actually spin

On that fog light they even have the raised nissan logo on the glass. It's a detail that is unnecessary but amazing that it's there.

I love how you're the only one who called out digital foundry video for the b******* that it was, and this is somebody who religiously watches digital foundry videos as they come out. I was expecting them to finally shut up the Forza fanboys and the idiots on the Internet, and then they kinda doubled down on they're nonsense saying that us GT fans were bullying the Forza fanboys, no we don't even give a f*** about Forza we were just defending our racing game, I hope you continue to be brutally honest because I've kinda lost faith in digital foundry after they GT7 VS FM8 video they turned off HDR they download texture packs for Forza and they did a few other things wrong to bring GT down to Forzas level kinda slimy and untrustworthy in my opinion I've seen some people choose really ugly car colors that don't reflect much to make GT7s cars look like toys in they're comparisons, I also love how DF kept saying "gt7 looks for realistic but that doesn't mean better" okay so wtf are we comparing for? They are both driving simulators based on real cars and real tracks so if your not gonna judge them on realism what are you judging them on? DF wanted to shut up GT fans and make Forza fans feel good they didn't want to compare anything

I never understood the hate on GT7 when the game came out either. Every game has DLC and micro transactions. Polyphony literally add cars and tracks for free.

When they say "built from the ground up" is not strictly a lie, they just didn't say when!

It took 3 months to create 1 car in GT7.

Let me tell you something funny: Wreckfest has some DLCs & there's a mockup Nissan Skyline R33 GTS-T called Razor & a mockup Toyota A70 Supra called Speedemon. Those are mockups and they're banger cars that has a lot of cosmetic parts taken out, yet they look way closer to their IRL counterpart compare to the ones from Forza.

I think we could even do Forza 23 vs GT SPORT 😂😂

It's kinda crazy to think before Forza added (to horizon) the ray tracing thing where the car can reflect it's own parts on itself, I never really cared about it, because I had never noticed. but now it's so clear to me that, in gt7, although it's absolutely insanely more detailed and better in every single aspect, the lack of this ray tracing thing bothers me now, not being able to see the reflection of the rear wing on the car for example... if GT adds this one thing, it'll literally have beaten Forza in every way that's coming from a Forza fan btw, I've played every single forza since FM3, and I love Forza to death. That's why it's so sad to see how the developers seem to have just lost the dedication they had before. Forza is really falling behind lately, and it just looks outdated even being brand new

It must take a staggering amount of hours and effort to create even a single car in GT7, and new ones occasionally drop in updates completely free. The MTX whinging has never made any sense, either. Just by playing the Cafe Menus, Circuit Experiences, Licences, Missions etc while being fast enough to get Gold/1st has you drowning in Credits and top end cars as prizes. I have more gifted cars than I’ve even got round to trying, yet. And they add PSVR2 support in a free update which transformed the game into something else for me. PD are busting balls daily. I’ve never needed to buy credits, but I happily did after the PSVR2 update, and again after the Spec II update, as both made me come back and get into it all over again, and I personally wanted to show some love, even though I or anyone else doesn’t need to.

bit out of the blue but your channel is a very good inspiration to up my 3d modeling skills, I have been teaching myself how to model cars quickly but not how to model them accurately, thank you! not that I am ever reaching the modeling quality of gt7 (yet) but I am taking a couple of pages out of their books.

The colors on GT are so much richer.

Here's the story, a friend of mine wanted to buy an Xbox only for FM. I watched your video of comparison and I've shared that with he and he was going to change his mind. He decided to stay with PS5 and GT7 when I did a comparison with your XJ220 video and the model of a modder in AC. The modder model was exactly the same in FM, but he converted it from FM4 (or 5 I can't recall now). My friend decided to stay with GT7 and since he has AC too he decided to convert AC into PC Gran Turismo.

I always thought the same thing about the Gran Turismo microtransactions. Overpriced? Maybe, but it’s not hard to make the in game money if you play for more than a few days. And now there’s so many ways to make in-game money that the microtransactions may as well not be there. It was always obvious to me that the only way they are useful is if you wanted to save a few hours to get a specific car. And that’s if you haven’t put much time into the game at all. My only issue is that there are certain vehicles that can only be bought when they are cycled through the used car lot or the legend shop, which may encourage people to buy credits if there’s not enough time to get them.

Even Roblox's better than BFTGU's.

I really couldn't care less about MTX...one thing that really bothered me it was the structure of the game i would like a more GT4 approach and more content like drift events drag events, they can even add them now if they wanted..

FM is the “no we have car models at home” version of car models.

GT7 is a beautiful game. Makes Foza look like a mobile game

I can't agree with you on the paywall analogy with regards to Assetto Corsa, the game is run by a team much smaller than Polyphony and without a Juggernaut like Sony funding them so revenue has to be made somewhere after paying for expensive licenses fees and time modelling the vehicles used. The same cannot be said for Forza which is just fucking greed.

The main problem with the microtransactions in GT7 is that actually grinding was really bad at the launch of the game. They responded by making it easier to actually earn money in game. It’s not a problem now like it used to be, but at launch it was super frustrating.

The next graphical leap will literally be The Matrix 😂

You know the model is bad when even roblox can compete with it.

The cars in Forza have a damage model, which is why their car models are lower poly than GT7. Both games are great and both have their own cons. So if you have ps play gt if you have xbox play forza, every one wins. Edit: the only thing forza didn't deserve is THE F**KING SPORTS AWARD!!!!

THIS IS FUCKING EPIC. Cheers from Mexico City :)

S15 are legendary. 200 sx was the UK version I believe.

GT7 model look very recent, and we all know the Forza model is there since a least FM3, maybe FM2 (yes motorsport). Of course T10/PG update the model a bit to add polygons, new details and newer texture since then, but it's a great example of an old 3D model reuse over the years to look "up to date" but the model itself is far from the reality. Not to defend T10, but to source an OEM S15 in the USA for 3D scan in 2024 seems very cost heavy for like a very low percentage of person who notice those issue. Also about the S15 spec R : -The fog lights were optional -Amber lights (1:35) could have been a bit more acruate on GT7 (at this point i'm not going to talk about FM acruaty) Materials look so real in GT7, especially the transparent/semi transparent stuff, so real. But i kinda like the ray tracing for all the spoiler reflecting on the trunk on Forza thought.

As an S15 owner myself, I find this video really interesting. GT7 is amazing and feels like seeing the real car in person, it blows my mind. Forza's model is like one of those indie crappy games from Steam that uses unbranded copies of the car, which is nice for them but an insult for a multi billion dollar company like Microsoft.

btw never say hardcore fan when doing FM V GT7 as it gives FM fans a leg to stand on to say its bias

I've played both since the beginning but gt7 looks great as far as current gen

I agree with your view on the Scumb GT7 man babies 100% These people NEED to be shamed for how they tried to kill our game! And in 5 years when all the usual suspects are nostalgia Grifting , remind them how they tried to kill the goat and failed.

GT7 makes the new Forza look like it belongs on xbox360

so... i''ll try to really keep it short and simple... Thats a weird headlight lense on the forza one... Someone used a black marker to scribble on the exhaust pipe on the forza model... Never seen an s15 with shiny vents... apart from that... The Forza S15 makes me wanna vomit. Since ever. Its probably the most messed up model they have. More broken and wrong than the 22b which they redid from scratch... which would be a neat comparison next?

I mean the fog light actually looks like that. 😂

The struggle is real. I'm 41, been with the series since it first appeared in demo discs. I'll admit since prices are egregious at 20 million, but the people who complain about micro transactions overlook that everything in the game is free. No dlc car packs to purchase, every update just gives you everything. The people complaining about micro transactions probably never grinded the same race over and over again to afford the viper. But when you got it, that feeling was second only to Christmas morning as a kid!!!

What year did you use for Silvia 1998, 1994, 1992 for Forza Motorsport

That Backing track reminds me of the soundtrack to Red Dog.....Chill az fk... Might have to do my own version........ ;)

While i agree with Forzas models being terrible I still strongly disagree with the stance "microtrasactions aren't as bad". Original car pricing (on launch day) was geared towards them, there was no way you could buy most expensive vehicles through regular career mode gameplay or you had to resort to an obscene amount of grind. MTX always bring something unpleasant regarding gameplay and/or its loop because there has to be an incentive to spend. In GT7 it used to be both cars priced way beyond what you could earn and races being very low paying. Only massive backlash from fans started changing things for the better. And bringing AC/ACC since neither of them have a proper career mode or their main gameplay isn't hinged on a single player progression system like GT used to have, in other way these games are not competition. In the same vein Ace Combat isn't a competition to MS Flight Sim even though both feature planes and flying. Also don't forget that GT is Sony funded, they can throw all those modelling manhours away for free in an update because they can afford the cost. Kunos (AC dev) is a small team and they had to continuously fund the sustained work on AC and it's DLCs somehow so in my book they get a pass. Forza is still inexcusable. And yeah, hate towards GT7 was well deserved IMO. Apart from the in-game economy issues, if you bought the game day one to have a classic GT mode in a modern skin (like me) and didn't care for multiplayer/sport mode then you we're sorely disappointed. Between licenses being very easy (and useless beyond I think national A license), races being a rolling start "chase the rabbit" affair, AI having no spacial awareness and generally career being woefully lacking (compared to months worth of gameplay in GT4) criticism levied was justified and changed the game for the better. and yes, old timer fans did criticise all these things as well (case in point: GTPlanet forums, there's no more "old-timey" way of discussing stuff within a fandom than forums). It especially stung me as a long time series fan that once again an anniversary coincides with a game release and no "fan service" or no nostalgia food or any sort of look back on the series has been done. I understand you're a fan, I am too, played every mainstream GT game, but being a fan doesn't mean you can't criticise the things you like and care about, it doesn't mean Polyphony is absolved from the state of the game on release. It was pretty but barebones. And the career mode was not what the fans wanted. Don't take it as a personal attack, i still enjoyed the video. I'm just not agreeing to all talking points of it regarding GT7 and PD.

For a fm1 car model its not really that far on my eyes for a complete remake model.

8$ Forza Horizon 4 full bundle (Steam discount with cheaper regional price) only took me 250 hour to get almost 90% vehicle collection (around 600 vehicle collection). Before that, I got spoiled by 20USD base game The Crew 2 with micro-transaction. FH5 still playable with Nvidia Pascal 10-series graphic card equivalent.

Sp I'm not the only one who notices that motorsport is way more "cuby" than gt7?

From the mantle up... to the ground! That's as far as we go

You NEED to do a Toyota AE86 comparison bro

6:26 ive found my new favourite insult

The microtransactions weren't the real issue. The real issue qas the price of cars, along with polyphony digital nerfing race rewards in order to try and force you into spending real money on credits to buy cars. Cars have always been unlocked in game so saying you don't see the problem is genuinely nuts.

Normally I'm not really interested in Playstation exclusives, but if there's one game I want to play, it's Gran Turismo 7. You have no idea how badly I want to play this game. I feel like I could buy a PS5 just to play this game alone

The car doors on Gran Turismo should absolutely open at this stage.

1:10 you vs the guy she told you not to worry about forza made s15 look like a 91 civic

As someone who’s been a forza fanboy since the very order ever game, I can’t believe how bad the newest one is in terms of just car quality… recycling the same models for 10+ years is mind blowing. I’ve never played GT but I can tell you now they have some of the cleanest models out there. There’s a reason we are porting them to Assetto and using them as bases for everything. Especially the S Chassis.

Car looks sexy as hell in GT7!

playing GT2 rn and my god, even there the model is not far off from the FM8 quality xd

B00iLd fRuM tEh GwAnD aP ~Turn10, probably

I think this may be a bit of a hot take, but I feel FM '23's aesthetic looks more realistic than GT7's, however, when it comes to the models themselves GT7 wins by a landslide.

I totally know that GT7'S models, quality, and shading is far better than FM, But the s15 in FM is the same model they used back in FH3, along with most models Forza has ported ever since early Xbox one days. Once Forza actually remakes the models instead of porting, and work on the shading, shadows and lighting quality, then it might stand toe to toe with GT

The main problem with gt7 is the career and some dumb gameplay decisions they made , it's built on a very solid platform and its graphics and driving should be an example to the industry

Comment at 00:32 is gold 😆👌🤣

It's funny how mad people about the fact that Forza motorsport got the award for the best racing game in 2023

You can't open doors in GT7, you can't see the engine, you can't open the boot, you can't rise or lower the spoiler or remove the top in a cabrio

man, wtf, i'm laughing so fucking hard when you're roasting something :D :D

Yo Could you compare GT6 models against Forza Motorsport models? I wanna see a thing

want to know the craziest part about all these comparisons? They're just stating facts Car manufacturers have known for a long time, that's why there's so many Gran Turismo references (or outright appearances) in car ads

Imagine GT7 VR on pc maxed out.

I don't hate forza but my first video game as a kid was Gran Turismo i always been a fan of em Gran Turismo idk i always loved there car models because there detailed like cray forza idk they have the same model s15 n other cars Gran Turismo has a lot better graphics and physics in my opinion

Calling the fanboys a sausage roll made me cry!!!😂

I still love how some forza fans are like, "Forza has better graphics" ok bud Gran Turismo does 3D Scans you can't get any better than that.

Built from the ground up™

Im just waiting for it on pc man but for now forza or asseto corzza its a bummer

The Forza model is from fm3 but barely updated

I will say that GT7's economy does suck. I can only really play on weekends and vacation so my time is limited. I cannot ever justify dropping $20M in game credits on a car like the Shelby Daytona Coupe (been tempted) as there are so many other more useful cars. In GT Sport, this might have been a $10 microtransaction...maybe $20 but to buy it in GT7, you will need to spend $200! Both would be suspect purchases but 10x is a level of absurdity that few could ever justify.

o lado bom é que por esse tipo de detalhes que minha rx5500 roda forza a 60fps :D

Just gotta point out that the silvia in motorsport isa model from way back in the series, and has not been updated, it does look like asshole but can we see new cars with their new models compared, to fully see the Vs of these two games

If Gran Turismo 7 was on PC, Forza wouldn't even exist anymore

Been a Forza fan since it was basically my introduction to being a car guy and after Motorsport released I’ve seriously lost my respect.

"BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP"

The problem with the microtransactions is the fact if you want to get, say, the McLaren F1, it would cost you £75 in real money!!!!! For ONE CAR!!!!! That's DISGUSTING!!!! And there's ALOT of cars that cost that amount in gt7....and there's plenty of people that dint have the time to grind 20 mil for one car....it's just ridiculous, they shouldn't be that much...or. If they are, there should be enough of a race roster to be able to get you those kinds of credits without having to rinse and repeat the same 4 or 5 races ..it's ridiculous.....me personally, I don't have a problem with the whole buying credits thing...MY problem, is the price of the cars in the game...for instance, theres quite a few 3 mil cars...well that would cost you 30 quid for just one!!! Because you can't buy a mil in credits...they either need TO SERIOUSLY improve the race roster, and quick, or they need to re-adjust the prizes for the races, because theres only a VERY small amount that are actually worth doing....OR, make the cars more realistic prices..... Supposedly the games car prices are meant to reflect real world prices, yet there's soooooo many that are WAY more expensive in game than in reality....not to mention seeing wide body kits that are just wheel arches costing 150k!!!! It's ridiculous!!! All the performance parts are ridiculous prices too...they need to sort it out.... And by the way, I've been a GT gamer from the first one...back from the PS days...

AE86 GT7 vs FM plz

is this on pc?

wow, it's almost like others actually build their new game "fRoM tHe GrOuNd Up" when almost a decade passes by... How weird