MJ_Legacy Very true!

It really is. 👍 I miss the old intro tho lol

AGREED!

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He has a much more humble persona then a teacher :D

I agree. They really took the time and patience to cater to the Saturns design and strengths.

It's one of my favorite single player FPS as well.

wsugj I played it religiously on Saturn and PS1, I've got balls of steel!

Saturn version was better than PS1.

me too!!!

the PS1 version of duke nukem is inferior

I played it recently first time on Switch. I love it, and it would be awesome to play it on my Saturn!

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLd4p9Rl1r3cgoE.htmlm22s Interview with the developer of Saturn Doom explaining why the game came out like it did.

Imagine had Lobotomy got a hold of Final Doom. Sega should have taken that entire development staff in house after Powerslave.

Sega Lord X agree 100% But they were too far on a roll of mistakes to have seen that obvious decision to buy Lobotomy.

Strange for you to not notice how Quake was butchered too. Oversimplified levels and objects, most static lighting gone, low framerate.

The dev of doom had it running at 60fps but the game had texture warping which john carmack hated and wouldn't allow. Carmack kind of admitted it was a mistake twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/519828531950665728

I'm 12 and this made me feel 32 again

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It likely also suffered being rushed through development. It came out shortly after the Japanese launch.

HEAVY SYSTEMS, Inc. not that I know of. AFAIK there’s no link aside from aesthetic. They both were developed by different teams, using different engines, for different publishers.

Actually, scratch that. There IS a link between the two - Genki. Genki co-developed Robotica. Perhaps Kileak is a spiritual successor??

Robotica was far too ambitious for its own good. Instead of throwing all those extra polygons at the wall construction (they aren't just flat surfaces), those spare cycles could've helped to stabilise the frame rate. Instead, we get something that occasionally breaks into 30fps territory... one time in a hundred. The transparent explosions, whilst nice to have, can't be of much use to performance either, but at least the enemies are sprites which stops things tanking further.

lightdark28 emulators though 👌

I was a broke kid growing up(I mean real broke, not haha I was poor but my parents owned Atari, Amiga and Commodore computers), not owning my own PC until I was in my early 20's. I never saw the PC Doom's, Quake's, or Duke Nukem's until well after their original debuts. These games floored me back then as pinnacles of the technology. It wasn't until I had Quake running on my own PC that I truly grasped what Lobotomy accomplished with their Slave Driver engine on Saturn.

Mouse support without a keyboard is useless for FPS games. Doom supports the Saturn mouse and it makes the game even more awful to play !

Doom is a little different because you can't look up or down , so in my opinion it actually doesn't play that much better with a keyboard. In Quake however, you can , so a mouse would actually make for an improvement. One game that did mouse support well was Quake2 on PS1, which let you use the mouse to look and shoot, while using the d-pad in a WASD configuration. It works surprisingly well.

I have the Saturn version of quake and I regret nothing

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Amerigo Costa I agree, but if the same game is on the ps1 it typically looks and plays better

In my opinion the biggest visual difference between the Saturn and Playstation versions of Alien Trilogy is the appearance of transparent shadows. Sony's version features true transparent shadows whereas Sega's version makes use of a grid pattern dithering effect instead.

@@clarenceboddicker6679 it’s because it’s pretty complicated to get transparencies running on Saturn. You have to route them through VDP2 because VDP1 doesn’t support true transparencies on polygonal assets.

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I was a 2D guy as well, but I appreciated the different style of gaming FPS games gave me. Especially Powerslave.

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Exactly what I was thinking

Nah Alien Trilogy and Hexen are really good.

No love at all for the new intro?

Hexen can get a bit choptastic, but it's never as bad as Doom.

Sega Lord X Yes, it's sad that Jim Bagley got overruled by Carmack. From what I've read, he got Doom running 60fps with hardware accelerated engine... Well, not sure about the 60fps part, but much faster anyway... It would be interesting to see that version finished. Maybe a kickstarter for Jim to make that version now ;)

@@miikasuominen3845 Carmack didn t know whats possible with the Saturn Hardware. First when you say what is possible or not....ask Lobotomy. Amazing Programmers and Designers. Sega Knows why they choosing this Team. Thank you Lobotmy for Your Great Work from a Segaraner!!

@@danielv9574 Yeah, they worked magic with Saturn...

Quake is, hands down. It taught the PC a lesson in humility for over a decade. Powerslave comes second. Then Duke. Imho.

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Not a fan of Space Hulk myself. I appreciate what it tried to do, but it simply isn't fun.

Literally everything Congo related was shit in the 90s, lol. Even the Michael Crichton book is mediocre so it makes you wonder why it ever was a thing.

Alien Trilogy is great, regardless of the platform you get it on. One of those rare times no one got a bad port.

@@deckofcards87 People would disagree. Some of the Congo related stuff did well.

Recording the Dreamcast is a pain. I found a cheap VGA to HMDI upscaler that will do it ok, but still isn't the best. There is a new device out called the Retrotink that will take composite, S-Video and component to HDMI that's $100. Outside of that though, you are looking at spending way more money.

no it looks like a 3do prototype

Pretty sure that Lobotomy Software were crazy Iron Maiden fans. ;)

At least John Carmack later did regret his decision and saw that it was wrong to have the porting team forced to make the game run entirely on the CPU. A little too late but at least he saw his mistake.

Carmack didn't like affine texture swim, something that the consoles of the time suffered from badly (the PlayStation more so), which is why he ordered a software rendered version, going as far as to say that Jim Bagley should use the Saturn's ridiculously hard to use SCU DSP for the task - the theory is that both the SH-2s and the DSP together should outperform the PlayStation's GTE, but of course you need documentation to work out how to do it. He did tweet relatively recently that he should've let the experiment go ahead, which is good of him, but it's the reason we didn't get a high frame rate Saturn version.

It's a bit more complicated than that. I'll try to be brief. I'm sick and tired of every so-called "documentary" painting Carmack as the bad guy here, repeating one after another, but chances are, there is no bad guy, just lack of time vs. real technical risks of not being able to ship. It's not just affine swim. It's that the textures in DOOM are world-aligned. Playstation lets you specify for each vertex besides vertex coordinates, also texture coordinates, so whenever a polygon doesn't span the whole texture or spans multiple repeats of the texture, or any offset, it can handle that natively. 3DO and Saturn are the two consoles that don't have texture coordinates, they warp the texture into the quad specified just by vertex coordinates and draw that, so every wall segment must be covered by exactly one repeat of texture, not more and not less, this is why you can't have nice things, the DOOM levels simply would never map to hardware as they are. 3DO version skirts around that by drawing vertical walls one pixel column at a time (or two at half horizontal resolution), and using some trickery to clip that line - i'm not familiar enough with the 3DO hardware to tell exactly how. No such luxury for the Saturn hardware! Floors were software-rendered on the 3DO and extremely slow. So i'm willing to bet all the textures on the initial hardware-accelerated Saturn version were completely misplaced and Carmack had a good reason not to have the confidence that they will ever be anywhere close to right. And i bet Jim was really dismayed at the fact that he wasn't trusted, and either he simply didn't have the time to optimise the software renderer better, which is likely, or botched the job out of spite, which is less likely. Except i really don't understand what the Playstation version does. It's weird. It seems to blit vertical columns one at a time too, it's not even using Playstation's texture mapping either, seems like. Actually you know what, i'm working on something, i'll figure out exactly what the Playstation does while i'm at it, i'm certain of it. What i'm more curious about and probably figure out anytime soon is how come Hexen is faster than DOOM on the Saturn. For Lobotomy's SlaveDriver ports i'm certain the levels were completely rebuilt, with textures being split where necessary and geometry adjusted until something sensible came out of it, which is not exactly an effort you can expect of every port.

Siana Gearz I believe the PlayStation natively allows for rendering in columns, so whilst it was rendered in software, it had a major leg-up over the Saturn which cannot render in the same fashion. DOOMwiki says "Furthermore, large vertical heights have been reduced to account for a renderer limitation where textures can only tile once vertically before being stretched instead" which seems that the PlayStation does indeed have a limitation in this area, but regardless, the results were superior to the Saturn version, any way you look at it. I don't think people are being too unkind to Carmack; source material - twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/519828531950665728?lang=en and www.retrovideogamer.co.uk/rvg-interviews-jim-bagley/ Regardless, what's incredible is that, despite how poorly it ran, Saturn DOOM was at least approaching full-screen. DOOM seemed to suit the PlayStation more in that it worked more like the PC, whereas the Saturn was... idiosyncratic, to use a nice word off DOOMwiki.

Virtua Bros hexen is also very good.

drunkensailor112 that one has my interest piqued too

PowerSlave/Exhumed is definitely great.

Bought all three on PAL last year, and whilst I've not really dedicated much time to Quake nor Duke, Exhumed has been played heavily. We lost Death Tank and analogue controls on PAL Exhumed unfortunately, and the intro music to Quake doesn't play, but other than that...